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Let's discuss Superstitions.


I have worked in the theatre which is notorius for having superstitions ...

You probably know one must not speak the name Macbeth, it is refered to as The Scottish Play. It is said that to speak it ia to evoke the curse of that play. If said that person must be escorted outside, spit on the floor, spin around three times and then plead to be allowed back in.

One must never whistle backstage. The reasoning is that whistles were originally used to give instructions to the sailors who (because they knew the best knots) had the job of operating the theatre's flying system. Nowadays, whistling is forbidden backstage because it might result in a lost sailor cutting a rope and dropping something on somebody.

Saying "Good Luck" is not allowed backstage. The term "Break a Leg" is used.

Peacocks are seen as evil (their feathers display an "evil eye" and their flesh was believed to be poisonous), and are not allowed near theatres.

The stage should never be left dark. A light should always be on to keep the ghost company and happy. The light left on the stage is referred to as the Ghost Light.


One interesting superstition is the Horseshoe ... Interesting because I have heard 2 versions.

1. It is nailed above the door in U position because a horseshoe collects good luck, if tipped the luck will flow out and dissipate.

2. Some have told me that it must be in the reverse position because the shoe drains luck from the surrounding area.

* Both versions require that it is a used horseshoe.
Interestingly the horseshoe in both cases works in the same manner, it is 'luck' that has differing properties.
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Cool thread... I knew about "break a leg" ... ghost light... peacock... and the different ways to hang a horseshoe... but don't remember ever hearing the backstage whistle one ... and had forgotten about the "MacBeth" thing...

I'll post a couple later on...
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I do stuff like having a particular book on my bedside cabinet and cos its been there for a long time, i just never move it.

Or a pile of dvds thats in a particular place but i never put them with the rest of the pile due to being accustomed to it.



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Let's discuss Superstitions.
I hope to hell you knocked on wood, before you started this thread. You're going to jinx yourself good, if you didn't.
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Christian traditions have it that there were 13 people at the Last Supper, and Judas Iscariot, the disciple who betrayed Jesus was the 13th to sit at the table. So that could be an explanation as to why the number 13 is considered unlucky. However, why is it deemed unlucky to put an umbrella up in the house, place shoes on a table, walk under a ladder, go out through a different door to the one you entered a building or room through?
Sometimes superstitions can be confusing. I’ve heard it’s lucky for a black cat to cross your path, I’ve also heard it’s unlucky for a black cat to cross your path!



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I hope to hell you knocked on wood, before you started this thread. You're going to jinx yourself good, if you didn't.

LOL ... I think I did jinx myself received first on another thread

I usually do the touch wood ritual in face space when discussing topics which deal with negative luck or misfortune ... if no wood handy, I tap my head



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... if no wood handy, I tap my head
Ha! I do that. "Knock on wood!" . . . and then I knock on my head immediately. Even when wood is present.



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Originally Posted by Citlyn
and had forgotten about the "MacBeth" thing...
Don't say that!!!! Never mention the name!!!! ... actually I once did ... and had to do the ritual


Christian traditions have it that there were 13 people at the Last Supper, and Judas Iscariot, the disciple who betrayed Jesus was the 13th to sit at the table. So that could be an explanation as to why the number 13 is considered unlucky. However, why is it deemed unlucky to put an umbrella up in the house, place shoes on a table, walk under a ladder, go out through a different door to the one you entered a building or room through?
Sometimes superstitions can be confusing. I’ve heard it’s lucky for a black cat to cross your path, I’ve also heard it’s unlucky for a black cat to cross your path!
Very correct with 13 reasoning, also the reason that a witches coven is this number.
FAROUT!!! I just realised that this is a biggy actually that occurs in our modern rational world

QUESTION - Has anyone ever been to the 13th floor in any building ??!!!
... I think not !!!



Walk under a ladder is a common sense thing because something may fall on your head. It would be similar to not walking on a crack due to trip hazzard, which caused many a "Hurray Up!" from mum when I was a kid.

Never heard of the using different doors in a room nor shoes on table before.

I too have heard about black cat being both good and bad omens depending on your beliefs. I think (although not 100%) that Greeks think the former.

As to the reasoning behind not opening umbrella inside, perhaps it is a tempting or pre-empting fate type of thing. Activating the umbrella before it is necessary will cause it to be necessary ie. it will rain because of YOU opening it inside.



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As far as I know, 13 is a good number. It's also one of my favorites. Most people have favorite numbers, right? Mine are 3, 4, 7, 11, and 13. Never you mind, why I like the number 11 . . .



I buy a pack of colored drinking flexi straws about once every few months, I do not use the pink ones until all other colors are gone. I know I could just buy all one color, but that is not any fun. Either way I just refuse to use them until they are they only color left.
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As far as I know, 13 is a good number. It's also one of my favorites. Most people have favorite numbers, right? Mine are 3, 4, 7, 11, and 13. Never you mind, why I like the number 11 . . .
Lucky Numbers is a good topic


Mine is 3 which was apparently a Norse lucky number ... for me I like the elegance of the triangle which is the first 2 dimensional shape. Also that 3 is the number of dimensions in the physical world. An object resting on 3 movable legs will be stable no matter what differing sizes the legs. Not an influenec to me, but the christian trinity gives a mystic or holy quality to 3.

Although 13 is neither a lucky nor an unlucky number to the Chinese, many new buildings do not have a 13th floor. For the Chinese 4 is unlucky because it sounds when spoken like the word for 'death'.

Appropriate for this forum,



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Discuss Folklore and Superstitions relating to ... Kissing


What is it with kissing under mistletoe?

Apart from tongue dueling with as many people as possible beginning at stroke of midnight New Years Eve ... what is the significance?

A certain Irish rock gives you the gift of the gab ... what is it with the Blarney Stone?

Kissing the ground on landing in a new country I have seen done, is it simply "thank the F that I'm still in one piece" or something more?

Don't devotees of many religions kiss icons for luck?

Is there significance to the number and location when you kiss someone?

Has anyone ever kissed a dice to evoke a good roll?
If it is in a shaker, I will blow into the cup or into my closed hand which is holding the dice.



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Sorry Double Posting problems

All's good found an article

Superstitions - Mirrors and Number 13
By:Sarah Todd


Superstitions are not based on rationale and practical thought. They’ve evolved from ancient religious or supernatural genres, a huge resource that includes belief in specific events (Halloween), apparitions (vampires, werewolves and ghosts), charms and incantations (salt over the shoulder, avoiding pavement cracks) and predicting the future (horoscopes, palm reading).
Another famous superstition revolves around the number 13, with the date being an inspiration for a series of horror films entitled Friday the 13th. There are many different stories that have evolved to give this date its notoriety, among them:
* The biblical reference to the Last Supper, with Judas betraying Jesus. He was the 13th guest at the table.
* Jesus was reportedly crucified on Friday.
* In ancient Rome a witch’s coven comprised 12, with the 13th member being the devil.
* A Norse myth tells of 12 gods dining at Valhallah, their heaven. A 13th uninvited guest, Loki, arrived, persuading the god of darkness to slay the god of happiness.
Numerologists consider the number 12 a complete number for several reasons: the number of apostles, the total number of tribes in Israel, the number of months in a year, the number of Olympian gods, the zodiac signs and Hercules’ labours. 13’s association with bad luck is the simple, unavoidable fact that it exceeds a complete number by just one.
Another modern myth about this unfortunate number claims that if you have 13 letters in your name you will have the devil’s luck. So is it a coincidence that the following characters reflect this trait?
Jack the Ripper
Charles Manson
Jeffrey Dahmer
Theodore Bundy
Albert De Salvo
The humble mirror is probably the focus of more superstitions than any other object. These stories evolved from the times when water was used as a mirror. People would look into the water to see their fates. If the image was distorted it was a sure sign of the viewer's death. As the mirror changed form, so did the beliefs. Early people gazed into a mirror in the same way that someone might gaze into a crystal ball. He imagined he saw the image of his soul. If the mirror was shattered so was the soul, and the person would die. The seven year’s bad luck seems to have evolved from the ancient Roman belief that it took seven years for life to renew itself. The Romans are also responsible for little known remedy useful for anyone who breaks a mirror – the only way to escape the seven year sentence is to bury the broken mirror pieces!
Consider the following superstitions, all very different, but relevant to the superstitious history attached to the mirror:
* There’s an ancient superstition that says all mirrors in a house where someone has died must be covered.
* This prevents the soul from getting trapped in the mirror. And anyone else who’s admired his or her reflection in the mirror risks loosing his or her soul, because the ghost of the dead person will take it!
* If a mirror falls from a wall it means someone is going to die.
* Vampires and witches show no reflection in mirrors because they have no souls.
* A mirror framed on three sides means a witch has used it to see over long distances.
* Some cultures believe that a baby who looks into a mirror during the first year of its life will die.
* Ancient Chinese believed that mirrors frighten away evil spirits who get scared when they see themselves; and if the mirror was broken the protection was lost.
* It’s considered bad luck to see your face in a mirror when sitting by candlelight. In your youth did you look at your faces in a mirror with a torch shining below your chin? That was a scary sight!
* Actors believe it’s bad luck to see their reflection while looking over the shoulder of another person.
* If a couple’s first sight of each other is their reflections in a mirror they will have a happy marriage.
* Want to see what your future husband looks like? Sit down in front of a mirror and eat an apple before brushing your hair. An image of a man will appear behind your shoulder!
I’ve briefly touched on some of the lesser known superstitions around two of the most superstitions topics in history. Even today mirrors and number 13 have the ability to strike fear in the heart of the bravest men and women. I wonder how many superstitions will be added to these icons of superstition in the years ahead. Sarah Todd



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I buy a pack of colored drinking flexi straws about once every few months, I do not use the pink ones until all other colors are gone. I know I could just buy all one color, but that is not any fun. Either way I just refuse to use them until they are they only color left.
That is querky of you Matey

Actually it is probably no different than those who eat M&Ms or Smarties with a ritual ... either eating all from a specific spectral option and only then moving onto a new colour ... or never eating the same colour consecutively.

or is that a symptom of a mild psychological condition which requires repetitive actions???

btw ... I am not suggesting anything Quicksilver Man



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I buy a pack of colored drinking flexi straws about once every few months, I do not use the pink ones until all other colors are gone. I know I could just buy all one color, but that is not any fun. Either way I just refuse to use them until they are they only color left.
i don't think that makes you superstitious, i think it makes you a homophobe. although, on second thoughts, the fact that you even use straws to drink is pretty bold, so you're still okay in my book 7thsy!
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i think it makes you a homophobe. although,
I knew that was going to be a response from someone , anyway I just get this feeling that something bad will happen if I use a pink straw before the others are gone. I kind of like the color really so I do not think I associate it with homosexuality. No it is not pink, it is pink straws, and I do use them, I just cant use them first. Hey I am weird sorry.



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I knew that was going to be a response from someone , anyway I just get this feeling that something bad will happen if I use a pink straw before the others are gone. I kind of like the color really so I do not think I associate it with homosexuality. No it is not pink, it is pink straws, and I do use them, I just cant use them first. Hey I am weird sorry.
aw, i kid. i kid cause i love.





Discuss Folklore and Superstitions relating to ... Kissing
The local McGuire's Irish Pub requires newcomers to Kiss The Moose, it is quite nasty as many before have kissed it, but usually one is drunk at that point so it does not matter. Bells ring and good things happen when you kiss the moose though: like free drinks, winks from the ladies , high fives from the guys, etc... The evening is just so much better after kissing the moose. The Moose is such a lucky thing to be around, people even bring their babies to visit it.




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Nice one 7thson .


I notice the team jersies as well ... many athletes and sportspeople have little rituals before, during and after they compete.

Got this from factmonster site
Sports Superstitions
Common superstitions in baseball, basketball, and more

by Michael Morrison



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Players and fans alike have their ways of avoiding bad luck.

Some sports superstitions are stranger than others. For example, Michael Jordan (a graduate of North Carolina) always wore his blue North Carolina shorts under his Bulls uniform for good luck.

Baseball players may be the most superstitious. Pitcher Turk Wendell brushes his teeth and chews licorice between every inning. Wade Boggs would eat only chicken the day of a game, and used to draw a symbol that means “To Life” in the dirt before every at-bat. Former pitcher Mark “The Bird” Fidrych used to play with the dirt on the mound and talk to himself and the ball before he pitched.

Red Sox shortstop Nomar Garciaparra gets dressed the same way every day, makes sure to step on each dugout step with both feet, and tugs at his batting gloves and taps his toes during each at-bat.

Here are some common superstitions in the world of sports.


Baseball
  • Spitting into your hand before picking up the bat is said to bring good luck.
  • A wad of gum stuck on a player's hat brings good luck.
  • It is bad luck if a dog walks across the diamond before the first pitch.
  • Some players believe it is good luck to step on one of the bases before running off the field at the end of an inning.
  • It is bad luck to touch the baselines while running off and onto the field between innings.
  • Lending a bat to a fellow player is a serious jinx.
  • Some players actually sleep with their bat to break out of a hitting slump or stay in a groove.
  • If a pitcher is throwing a perfect game or a no-hitter, never speak of it while it's going on.
Basketball
  • The last person to shoot a basket during the warm-up will have a good game.
  • Wipe the soles of your sneakers for good luck.
  • Bounce the ball before taking a foul shot for good luck.
Bowling
  • To continue a winning streak, wear the same clothes.
  • The number 300, a perfect score, on your license plate will increase your score.
  • Carry charms on your bowling bag, in your pockets, or around your neck for good luck.
Fishing
  • Fish may not bite if a barefoot woman passes you on the way to the dock.
  • Spit on your bait before casting your rod to make fish bite.
  • Throw back your first catch for good luck.
  • It is bad luck to change rods while fishing.
  • Don't tell anyone how many fish you've caught until you're done or you won't catch another.
Football
  • Double numbers on a player's uniform brings good luck.
  • It's bad luck for a professional football player to take a new number when he is traded to another team.
  • A mascot is an important good luck symbol.
Golf
  • Start only with odd-numbered clubs.
  • Balls with a number higher than 4 are bad luck.
  • Carry coins in your pockets for good luck.
Ice Hockey
  • It is bad luck for hockey sticks to lie crossed.
  • It is bad luck to say “shutout” in the locker room before a game.
  • Players believe they'll win the game if they tap the goalie on his shin pads before a game.
  • Many players must put their pads and skates on in exactly the same order every day.
Rodeo
  • Always put the right foot in the stirrup first.
  • Avoid wearing the color yellow.
  • Always shave before a competition (for men only!)
Tennis
  • It's bad luck to hold more than two balls at a time when serving.
  • Avoid wearing the color yellow.
  • Walk around the outside of the court when switching sides for good luck.
  • Avoid stepping on the court lines.
I don't know some of these as they are American but interesting nevertheless

Anyone got any?

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There is a programme aired Sundays 9.30pm on the ABC (Australia) called Rewind ... it is presented by historian, author and broadcaster Michael Cathcart, 'Rewind' provides a fresh perspective on the most fascinating characters and events in Australia's history.

This is a repeat and the segment that caught my eye originally aired on 17th October 2004 titled Talismans.



Basically the segment centred around Ritual Objects which have been found hidden away in the walls and floors of old colonial era houses in Australia. These objects include boots, bottles, clothing and even dead cats, all of these objects have been purposely placed in the buildings either on construction or soon after. It is suggested that they are a form of folk magic which early settlers used as protection against witchcraft and evil spirits.



Boots and Shoes

In a terrace house in the Sydney's Rocks area, which was built about 170 years ago (about 1838). An item was found concealed in the attic, in a little closet. It was an infant's first walking shoe, well made and expensive ... and had been deliberately placed there. It is suggested that since the shoe is the only item of clothing that retains an imprint of the body ... it would deceive the witch or evil spirit and act as a decoy away from the family member. These objects are typically found in weak points of a building, where spirits could gain entry. The shoe would act as a trap.

Interestingly the people that occupied the house at the time were well educated (a council alderman) and not poor which one would normally associate with this type of superstitious behaviour.

Shoes have been found in numerous buildings. Near Mudgee, in central western NSW. In the library, they found a boot tucked away in a cavity in the chimney breast. A house in Hobart, about 1850, had three young people's boots concealed in a cavity in the chimney.



Cats

Cats have a long association with witches and witchcraft, and were thought to be associated with the underworld.

In Queensland, a very grand house near Warwick called Glengallan, a ritual cat contained in a void beneath the floor was found. Another house in Windsor, near Sydney also contained a dried cat hidden in an alcove underneath the floorboards. Other items have been found hidden under each room of the house - a child's shoe, glass bottles and a horseshoe. The age of the objects varies, and the theory is that this is because the rooms of this house were added one at a time. Interesting is that the cat it was found that it's hip had been severed prior to placement. The location is by the front door which suggests that it was guarding the threshold of the house. The thinking behind dried cats is that their spirit would protect the household from the spiritual vermin, like the witch's familiar.

Origin of the Folk Magic

It seems logical that these rituals came from Britain and would possibly have travelled throughout the 'Empire'.



Transcript Here


I've never heard of this before ... anyone else?