Japan has its own standards of what is considered PC. Should I remind you of what happened with the Koe no Katachi one shot manga, or the controversies regarding Gintama and The wind rises? Putting women in pedestals is not one, however not having equal representation for female characters in battle shonen is an issue, as shown with the example.
Lack of equal representation is not a problem. Don't want women in the manga you are writing? To me that's ok. It is this obsession with having females everywhere that is the part of the problem. Why?
Because complaining about lack of female representation in Ashita no Joe is like complaining about lack of male representation in Yuru Yuri: It is a type of artistic censorship.
In Japan you can have fictional narratives where there exists only females or only males and where everybody in the world is lesbian or gay. That is true artistic freedom and genuine lack of sexism.
Western fictional narratives tend to have very rigid roles for men and women and now they artificially become more feministic that didn't solve the actual problem which is the rigid adherence to expected gender roles. They just changed the expected gender roles and the problem is still there. The problem is the rigidity in social roles itself, what some people call "gender expression". Which is much more flexible in anime, as one can easily tell.
Severe punishment? What? What kind of /pol/ sh*thole are you taking this from? Criiticism and media backlash =/= severe punishment. There's still a lot of toxic stuff being made with zero consequences.
You firm's product will be boycotted if you violate these invisible social norms and you can get bankrupt. Some director at Harvard was fired for instance from even suggesting that there exists biological differences between the brains of men and women (and there are).
If you look at Pixar's movies for instance they are extremely restricted in their range of expression as each movie is very, very similar to the other movies and that's because Pixar has to follow these strict socially acceptable standards.
While all societies have certain rules of accepted expression I think that the US culture in particular is very restrictive.
These people might be a minority much more irrelevant than the actual amount of media that are "severely punished". Your generalizations are priceless.
I was just explaining where this Western idea that anime is misogynous comes from. Why are you upset about it?
And for exploitation, and for merch. Anime is huge, there's a LOT of interpretations and benefits the industry looks for, don't try to sell me the idea that anime as a whole is built under an aim for artistic expression because for every genuinely artistic piece I can name you a shameless cash cow, and you know better than I do that the authorial integrity of most anime shows is either non-existent or depending on the original source.
Art is human expression. Hence all human expression is artistic expression whether made for profit or not.
The difference between anime and Western Animation is that in anime there are not restrictions in the range of expression that is socially allowed. Wanna have an anime about a 10 year old boy that looks like a girl and kills people? Go for it.
While Western animation is extremely restricted in the range of expression it is allowed to portray.
Animation not being taken seriously in the West is a long known issue. Western animation not being a source for artistic expression due to this, however, is blatantly false, much more at this point of diversification.
I never claimed western animation was not artistic. It is artistic since it is human expression but it is very limited in it's range of expression, that is, it is not a
general medium for artistic expression.
It is because western society does not allow animation the degree of artistic freedom that literature and film enjoy, for instance.
Even in Japan manga and anime are also stigmatized to a certain degree which is why anime is still dominated by titles aimed at teenagers and young adults. In Japan if you are a 40 year old you will face a certain social sigma regarding manga and animation, specially. Hence why it is still a field dominated by entertainment for young people. Although it lacks the strict binds that do not allow for any expression outside narrow socially constructed confines in western animation.
See you, going to jump off a cliff or something.
I don't think you understand that there is a very clear difference in terms of dignity between Peter from Family Guy and any character from any Disney or Pixar animated movie.
You are upset because people do not agree with you? People should be able to live with disagreement and not get angry at one another.
Okay, okay, I can play this as well. The girls of K-On! (a seinen, "adult" show then) are not portrayed even the slightest bit as undignified as Peter is portrayed.
Indeed, but Aqua from Konosuba is. It is easy to find anime female characters portrayed like Peter from Family Guy. It's virtually impossible to find female characters in Western fiction portrayed like Peter.
The funny thing is that you try to convince me that Kobayashi and LWA are very popular instead. Do you want to compare how numbers go for these?
They are very popular among anime fans hence comparable to titles like The Godfather and Breaking Bad that are popular among movie or TV show fans. Of course, the first group is much smaller.
It's your loss, Guap, don't act like I'm the one who is missing out here. GF is critically acclaimed for more than a few reasons, whether you want to explore them or stick to your world of edginess and adult complexities is your choice.
My time is limited. I don't have time to watch everything that is critically acclaimed and I don't generally like children's shows. I know your tastes are different but you should be aware that not everybody in the world has the same tastes as you do.
And there's plenty of undignified depictions of women in Western media.
Not really. Western media is in general very careful in it's depiction of women.
I noticed that because there is no western media that can make women angry as Hidamari Sketch made my mother angry, since she is sensitive to undignified portrayals of female characters. The reason is that Western media puts women in pedestals.
We should compare contemporary media with one another because that's the only way to trace a proper parallelism, seeing that media move through trends and it's kind of useless to compare two cultural standards and their differing trends if they are not even the same age.
I don't think so. Because I am not looking for "parallelism" but for differences between US fiction and anime fiction.
So I compared popular Hollywood and US TV titles with popular anime titles. Since US fiction is much older than anime fiction it is natural that the average age of US titles would be much higher.
The West is US, South America, France, Poland, Scandinavia, Australia and so many different places with noticeably different cultural backgrounds. Don't give me that, please. Specially when you talk about media and ignore the very different approaches to film and animation brought from each of these environments to keep this generalization floating.
Yet the Western Civilization still has a strong cultural matrix that possess certain properties that are near universal across all countries of European origin. Why do you think Japan was the first country to develop comics and animation into general artistic mediums? Because Japan lacks a Jewish-Christian cultural background and it's associated aesthetic prejudices.
Western aesthetics come from the Ancient Greeks who placed primary value on the approximation between the real and the artistic creation. Which is why it is socially regarded as wrong for people to be into pornographic comics and animation in the west. Because animation is stylized while "real art" has to be "real". The same reason explains why animation cannot be serious, it always has to be "light" in some way since seriousness must be photorealistic (hence why photorealistic animation is considered ok for serious narratives).
The thing is, I don't even disagree about a lot of these things you talk about, Guap. I disagree with your generalizations and with your complete disregard for the diversity that Western media as a whole, and even US media in the specifics, has attained.
When you talk about cultural standards you are talking using some degree of generalization. If you do not want to generalize you cannot say anything about cultural standards of any civilization.