1940's Hall Of Fame Part I

As James Stewart is figuring it out, and the two killers are realizing that he knows what happened, you could cut the tension with a knife in that room.

As James Stewart is figuring it out, and the two killers are realizing that he knows what happened, you could cut the tension with a knife in that room.

We find out that Grant is the person who killed Jeb's family, but other than basically a one line type of scene, we never really find out much about what happened that made him so mad that he would kill an entire family. Just because his sister-in-law had an affair with Jeb's father? Why was he blaming the whole affair on Jeb's father? Shouldn't he be just as mad at his sister-in-law? She's the one who cheated on his brother. And on a side note, does that make her Jeb's mother? If so, then that changes a lot about the ending of the movie.

And we know that Adam and Jeb haven't gotten along since they were kids, but why is Adam so angry at Jeb that he would actually try to kill him? And then, after Jeb kills Adam, Thor just turns on Jeb, even though he killed Adam in self-defense? Then at the end, she just changes her mind and all of a sudden she's in love with Jeb again. It just felt like it came out of nowhere.

We find out that Grant is the person who killed Jeb's family, but other than basically a one line type of scene, we never really find out much about what happened that made him so mad that he would kill an entire family. Just because his sister-in-law had an affair with Jeb's father? Why was he blaming the whole affair on Jeb's father? Shouldn't he be just as mad at his sister-in-law? She's the one who cheated on his brother. And on a side note, does that make her Jeb's mother? If so, then that changes a lot about the ending of the movie.

And we know that Adam and Jeb haven't gotten along since they were kids, but why is Adam so angry at Jeb that he would actually try to kill him? And then, after Jeb kills Adam, Thor just turns on Jeb, even though he killed Adam in self-defense? Then at the end, she just changes her mind and all of a sudden she's in love with Jeb again. It just felt like it came out of nowhere.

I don't get your confusion why he was so angry. Jeb was an adult in the 1890s we know this because he served in the Spanish-American War, so this was at least the 1870s when this happened. It's not like today when affairs are a more common thing, back then there was a serious emasculation factor related to a mans wife having an affair and with Grant being a gangster, basically some nobody having sex with his brothers wife is something that wouldn't fly. I'd understand your problem more if it was that you felt that explanation was unsatisfying but i think it is completely understandable when you consider who Grant is. I'll give you the Mrs Callum part, possibly because she was the mother of his brothers kids?

Of course she wasn't Jebs mothere. No offence but that is one of the silliest things i've read in a long time. What do you think he got her pregnant then while being with her husband she was pregnant for 9 months then had the baby and gave it to Jebs dad to bring up, and somehow it took 5 years or whatever age Jeb was then for people to question what happened there? We don't know who Jebs mum was or if she was with Jebs dad during this time but it clearly wasn't Mrs Callum. I think the writer tried to give the audience the benefit of the doubt that they wouldn't think this rather than unneccesarily over-explain it, cause ya know it's absurd.

To the Adam and Jeb thing, here's a small part from my review where i touched on it:

Another thing is that his mother brought him up under a 'you need to be a strong man of the house' type philosophy from some of the stuff she said; Adam was the same way he wasn't scared of Jeb and clearly resented him being seen as a war hero possibly because it made Jeb seem braver or tougher than him, this coupled with Jeb feeling like he was alone wouldn't have went well with him acting more remorseful or outright emotional in my opinion.

I think it's more of the attitudes towards how a man should be, and Mrs Callum brought both of them up that way. It isn't greatly touched on but that's what i got from her telling Jeb that "he needs to be a man". It can also be explained by Adam from an earliy age resenting having to share his family with Jeb and him not thinking he was good for his sister. Remember that after the fight Jeb said he was taking Thor and if Adam tried to stop him he'd kill him, Adam obviously took this as a very real threat and decided to deal with it.

Don't know why you're confused about Thor turning on Jeb, she obviously didn't believe him. Easy to see why after he made that threat then Adam goes out seemingly to bring him back and ends up dead with no witnesses. I agree with you on her changing her mind though, that was really silly.

I don't get your confusion why he was so angry. Jeb was an adult in the 1890s we know this because he served in the Spanish-American War, so this was at least the 1870s when this happened. It's not like today when affairs are a more common thing, back then there was a serious emasculation factor related to a mans wife having an affair and with Grant being a gangster, basically some nobody having sex with his brothers wife is something that wouldn't fly. I'd understand your problem more if it was that you felt that explanation was unsatisfying but i think it is completely understandable when you consider who Grant is. I'll give you the Mrs Callum part, possibly because she was the mother of his brothers kids?

Of course she wasn't Jebs mothere. No offence but that is one of the silliest things i've read in a long time. What do you think he got her pregnant then while being with her husband she was pregnant for 9 months then had the baby and gave it to Jebs dad to bring up, and somehow it took 5 years or whatever age Jeb was then for people to question what happened there? We don't know who Jebs mum was or if she was with Jebs dad during this time but it clearly wasn't Mrs Callum. I think the writer tried to give the audience the benefit of the doubt that they wouldn't think this rather than unneccesarily over-explain it, cause ya know it's absurd.

To the Adam and Jeb thing, here's a small part from my review where i touched on it:

I think it's more of the attitudes towards how a man should be, and Mrs Callum brought both of them up that way. It isn't greatly touched on but that's what i got from her telling Jeb that "he needs to be a man". It can also be explained by Adam from an earliy age resenting having to share his family with Jeb and him not thinking he was good for his sister. Remember that after the fight Jeb said he was taking Thor and if Adam tried to stop him he'd kill him, Adam obviously took this as a very real threat and decided to deal with it.

Don't know why you're confused about Thor turning on Jeb, she obviously didn't believe him. Easy to see why after he made that threat then Adam goes out seemingly to bring him back and ends up dead with no witnesses. I agree with you on her changing her mind though, that was really silly.

It just seemed that Grant was angry enough at Jeb's father to kill his whole family, to the point of taking their family name out of existence, but he didn't seem to blame his sister-in-law at all. If he was that mad, it seems like the first two people to die would have been Jeb's father and Mrs. Callum.

In reference to her being Jeb's mother, I know it's a long shot, and it doesn't make much sense, but it would explain why she took Jeb in as her own son when his family was killed. Why would she jeopardize her own family if she knew that Grant was the one who tried to kill him? She had to know that he would try again, and that would put her and her children at risk.

In reference to Adam taking Jeb's threat seriously, it looked like Adam was knocked out when Jeb made the threat, so he didn't even hear it. And if Thor knew that Adam was that mad at Jeb, then why is it such a stretch to believe Jeb when he said that it was self-defense? After all, she was supposed to be in love with Jeb at the time. If she was really in love with him, she should have at least thought that he might be telling the truth, rather than just turning on him so quickly. She didn't seem to even give it a little bit of thought. She just immediately thought that Jeb was lying. That makes it even harder to believe that she was really in love with him, and to understand why she saved him and stayed with him at the end of the movie. She just seemed to change her feelings for him too easily for her to have any "real" feelings for him.

It just seemed that Grant was angry enough at Jeb's father to kill his whole family, to the point of taking their family name out of existence, but he didn't seem to blame his sister-in-law at all. If he was that mad, it seems like the first two people to die would have been Jeb's father and Mrs. Callum.

In reference to her being Jeb's mother, I know it's a long shot, and it doesn't make much sense, but it would explain why she took Jeb in as her own son when his family was killed. Why would she jeopardize her own family if she knew that Grant was the one who tried to kill him? She had to know that he would try again, and that would put her and her children at risk.

In reference to Adam taking Jeb's threat seriously, it looked like Adam was knocked out when Jeb made the threat, so he didn't even hear it. And if Thor knew that Adam was that mad at Jeb, then why is it such a stretch to believe Jeb when he said that it was self-defense? After all, she was supposed to be in love with Jeb at the time. If she was really in love with him, she should have at least thought that he might be telling the truth, rather than just turning on him so quickly. She didn't seem to even give it a little bit of thought. She just immediately thought that Jeb was lying. That makes it even harder to believe that she was really in love with him, and to understand why she saved him and stayed with him at the end of the movie. She just seemed to change her feelings for him too easily for her to have any "real" feelings for him.