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What are your thoughts on censorship?

My take on the subject is this: censorship is warranted in the case of offensive, disgusting material, but it is a policy that needs to be exercised with extreme caution, because it can so easily be abused to silence the voices of those one disagrees with, even if they have a legitimate point to make.

The first thing that comes to my mind, when I think of censorship, are the Nazi book-burnings--the regulation of taste by the state--thought control--the state decreeing what one should or should not think by regulating the ideas one is exposed to.

Does anyone know of any really good movies or books that were, originally, banned? I know that the movie "Spartacus" was based on a book that was originally banned--the author was blacklisted. I also know that the list of books that have been banned by states in the past includes the Bible and several books universally proclaimed as classics and works of art today.

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Books Suppressed or Censored by Legal Authorities

Ulysses by James Joyce was recently selected by the Modern Library as the best novel of the 20th century, and has received wide praise from other literature scholars, including those who have defended online censorship. (Carnegie Mellon English professor and vice-provost Erwin Steinberg, who praised the book in 1994, also defended CMU's declaration that year to delete alt.sex and some 80 other newsgroups, claiming they were legally obligated to do so.) Ulysses was barred from the United States as obscene for 15 years, and was seized by U.S Postal Authorities in 1918 and 1930. The lifting of the ban in 1933 came only after advocates fought for the right to publish the book.

In 1930, U.S. Customs seized Harvard-bound copies of Candide, Voltaire's critically hailed satire, claiming obscenity. Two Harvard professors defended the work, and it was later admitted in a different edition. In 1944, the US Post Office demanded the omission of Candide from a mailed Concord Books catalog.

John Cleland's Fanny Hill (also known as Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) has been frequently suppressed since its initial publication in 1749. This story of a prostitute is known both for its frank sexual descriptions and its parodies of contemporary literature, such as Daniel Defoe's Moll Flanders. The U.S Supreme Court finally cleared it from obscenity charges in 1966. (Copies exist on the English Server and on Wiretap; if one server is inaccessible, try the other, or wait until later.)

Aristophanes' Lysistrata, Chaucer's Canterbury Tales, Boccaccio's Decameron, Defoe's Moll Flanders, and various editions of The Arabian Nights were all banned for decades from the U.S. mails under the Comstock Law of 1873. Officially known as the Federal Anti-Obscenity Act, this law banned the mailing of "lewd", "indecent", "filthy", or "obscene" materials. The Comstock laws, while now unenforced, remain for the most part on the books today; the Telecommunications Reform Bill of 1996 even specifically applied some of them to computer networks. The anti-war Lysistrata was banned again in 1967 in Greece, which was then controlled by a military junta.

The Comstock law also forbade distribution of birth control information. In 1915, Margaret Sanger's husband was jailed for distributing her Family Limitation, which described and advocated various methods of contraception. Sanger herself had fled the country to avoid prosecution, but would return in 1916 to start the American Birth Control League, which eventually merged with other groups to form Planned Parenthood.

Leaves of Grass, Walt Whitman's famous collection of poetry, was withdrawn in Boston in 1881, after the District Attorney threatened criminal prosecution for the use of explicit language in some poems. The work was later published in Philadelphia.

Jean-Jacques Rousseau's autobiography Confessions was banned by U.S. Customs in 1929 as injurious to public morality. His philosophical works were also banned in the USSR in 1935, and some were placed on the Catholic Church's Index of Prohibited Books in the 18th century. (The Index was a primarily a matter of church law, but in some areas before the mid-19th century, it also had the force of secular law. For a full listing of the contents of the Index as of 1949, the last year it was published, see this page in Brazil-- but be forewarned that it can take a long time to download. The Index was finally abolished in 1966.)

Thomas Paine, best known for his writings supporting American independence, was indicted for treason in England in 1792 for his work The Rights of Man, defending the French Revolution. More than one English publisher was also prosecuted for printing The Age of Reason, where Paine argues for Deism and against Christianity and Atheism.

Blaise Pascal's The Provincial Letters, a defense of the Jansenist Antoine Arnauld, was ordered shredded and burned by King Louis XIV of France in 1660. France also banned Tasso's Jerusalem Delivered in the 16th century for containing ideas subversive to the authority of kings.

Jack London's writing was censored in several European dictatorships in the 1920s and 1930s. In 1929, Italy banned all cheap editions of his Call of the Wild, and Yugoslavia banned all his works as being "too radical". Some of London's works were also burned by the Nazis.

South Africa's apartheid regime banned a number of classic books; in 1955, for instance, the New York Times reported that Mary Shelley's Frankenstein was banned there as "indecent, objectionable, or obscene". The regime also banned Anna Sewell's Black Beauty, a story about a horse.

In nervous times, politically motivated censorship has occurred in the United States as well. In 1954, the Providence, RI, post office attempted to block delivery of Lenin's State and Revolution to Brown University, citing it as "subversive". In 1918, the US War Department told the American Library Association to remove a number of pacifist and "disturbing" books, including Ambrose Bierce's Can Such Things Be? from camp libraries, a directive which was taken to also apply to the homefront. (Censorship in libraries run by the federal government continued afterwards as well. In the 1950s, according to Walter Harding, Senator Joseph McCarthy had overseas libraries run by the United States Information Service pull an anthology of American literature from the shelves because it included Thoreau's Civil Disobedience.)

During World War I, the US government jailed those who were distributing anti-draft pamphlets like this one. Schenck, the publisher of the pamphlet, was convicted, and his conviction was upheld by the Supreme Court in 1919. (This decision was the source of the well-known "fire in a theatre" quote.)

The Bible and The Quran were both removed from numerous libraries and banned from import in the Soviet Union from 1926 to 1956. Many editions of the Bible have also been banned and burned by civil and religious authorities throughout history. Some recent examples: On July 1, 1996, Singapore convicted a woman for possessing the Jehovah's Witness translation of the Bible. A 2000 US government report reported that Burma (also known as Myanmar) bans all Bible translations into local indigenous languages. (The military dictatorship of that country also required modems to be licensed, so residents of Burma, like NetNanny users, are not likely to see this page.) Distributing Bibles, along with other forms of proselytizing by non-Muslims, is also banned in Saudi Arabia, according to this State Department report. (And possibly even possession; an email correspondent tells me that a sign at a Saudi Arabian airport customs stated that arriving travelers should surrender their non-approved religious books to officials before entering the country.)

Some governments still tightly control religious organizations and their publications. In 1999, the government of China banned the Falun Gong sect and confiscated and destroyed books by their founder and other Falun Gong books. As you can see, the books live on over the Internet-- at least in places that don't censor incoming Net data.

D. H. Lawrence's Lady Chatterley's Lover was the object of numerous obscenity trials in both the UK and the United States up into the 1960s.

E for Ecstasy, a book on the drug MDMA, was seized by Australian customs in 1994, and at last check (May 2000), the official ban on the book was still in force in that country. (An Australian goverment site has a PDF document on what kinds of books are banned or restricted in Australia. You can also search the database of banned or restricted materials yourself.) In the 1999-2000 session, the US Congress quietly slipped similar bans for "dangerous" information on drugs and explosives into various bills. The Methamphetamine Anti-Proliferation Act of 1999 (S. 1428) had a section 9 outlawing certain dissemination of information on drug use, patterned after a law outlawing certain dissemination on information on explosives that was signed in 1999. Given that conspiracy or solicitation to commit federal crimes was already illegal, it's hard to see what practical effect is intended by these bills other than to censor the open dissemination of information deemed too dangerous for the public to learn. The anti-drug-information bill didn't make it to a full vote last session, and E For Ecstasy is still legal in the US, for now.

A number of democratic countries, including Austria, France, Germany, and Canada, have criminalized various forms of "hate speech", including books judged to disparage minority groups. In the 1980s, Ernst Zündel was convicted twice under Canada's "false news" laws for publishing Did Six Million Really Die?, a 1974 book denying the Holocaust. On appeal, the Canadian Supreme Court found the "false news" law unconstitutional in 1992, but Zündel is now being prosecuted under Canada's "Human Rights Act" for publishing this book and other material on his Zundelsite. Even so, Deborah Lipstadt and some other prominent critics of Holocaust deniers have gone on record as opposing laws that would censor such speech. (On the other hand, Zündel is quite happy to call for bans for works he doesn't like, though, as seen in this leaflet calling for a ban of Schindler's List. And denier David Irving's attempt to stop publication of Lipstadt's book on Holocaust denial, as seen in the complaint reproduced on Irving's web site, failed when a UK court ruled that Lipstadt's statements about Irving were, in fact, justified.)

Unfit for Schools and Minors?

The Savannah Morning News reported in November 1999 that a teacher at the Windsor Forest High School required seniors to obtain permission slips before they could read Hamlet, Macbeth, or King Lear. The teacher's school board had pulled the books from class reading lists, citing "adult language" and references to sex and violence. Many students and parents protested the school's board's policy, which also included the outright banning of three other books. Shakespeare is no stranger to censorship: the Associated Press reported in March 1996 that Merrimack, NH schools had pulled Shakespeare's Twelfth Nigh from the curriculum after the school board passed a "prohibition of alternative lifestyle instruction" act. (Twelfth Night includes a number of romantic entanglements including a young woman who disguises herself as a boy.) Readers from Merrimack informed me in 1999 that school board members who had passed the act had been voted out, after the uproar resulting from the act's passage, and that the play is now used again in Merrimack classrooms. Govind has a page with more information about the censorship of Shakespeare through history.

John T. Scopes was convicted in 1925 of teaching the evolutionary theory of Darwin's Origin of Species in his high school class. (For more about this famous trial, see this site by Doug Linder.) The Tennessee law prohibiting teaching evolution theory was finally repealed in 1967, but further laws intended to stifle the teaching of evolution in science classes have been proposed in the Tennesee legislature as recently as 1996.

An illustrated edition of "Little Red Riding Hood" was banned in two California school districts in 1989. Following the Little Red-Cap story from Grimm's Fairy Tales, the book shows the heroine taking food and wine to her grandmother. The school districts cited concerns about the use of alcohol in the story.

In Mark Twain's lifetime, his books Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn were excluded from the juvenile sections of the Brooklyn Public library (among other libraries), and banned from the library in Concord, MA, home of Henry Thoreau. In recent years, some high schools have dropped Huckleberry Finn from their reading lists, or have been sued by parents who want the book dropped. In Tempe, Arizona, a parent's lawsuit that attempted to get the local high school to remove the book from a required reading list went as far as a federal appeals court in 1998. (The court's decision in the case, which affirmed Tempe High's right to teach the book, has some interesting comments about education and racial tensions.) The Tempe suit, and other recent incidents, have often been concerned with the use of the word "******", a word that also got Uncle Tom's Cabin challenged in Waukegan, Illinois. For a comprehensive web site describing attempts to ban Huckleberry Finn and other Twain works, see the site Huckleberry Finn Debated, by Jim Zwick.

Many "classics" (and their authors) were regarded as scandalous when they were first published, but after the author was safely dead they were relegated to high school English classes and largely forgotten by most people. However, in 1978 the Anaheim (California) Union High School District woke up to the danger of George Eliot's Silas Marner and banned it. I would be gratified (and not at all surprised) if there was a sudden surge of interest in Eliot among Anaheim students afterwards. Also banned there, according to the Anaheim Secondary Teachers Assocation, and as reported in Dawn Soya's Banned Books: Literature Suppressed on Social Grounds, was Margaret Mitchell's Gone With the Wind, for its depiction of the behavior of Scarlett O'Hara and the freed slaves in the novel. (While Mitchell may no longer be living, though, her copyright lives on in the US, so Americans will have to read a print copy instead of the online version.)

John Locke's philosophical Essay Concerning Human Understanding was expressly forbidden to be taught at Oxford University in 1701. The French translation was also placed on the Index.

Shakespeare's The Merchant of Venice was banned from classrooms in Midland, Michigan in 1980, due to its portrayal of the Jewish character Shylock. It has been similarly banned in the past in Buffalo and Manchester, NY. Shakespeare's plays have also often been "cleansed" of crude words and phrases. Thomas Bowdler's efforts in his 1818 "Family Shakespeare" gave rise to the word "bowdlerize".

Bowdlerism still exists today, but nowadays cleaning up sexual references is waning in popularity, and cleaning up racial references is growing in popularity. Case in point: This version of The Story of Dr. Dolittle, from the 1960s, was silently "cleaned up" from the 1920 original, in which Polynesia the parrot occasionally used some impolite terms to refer to blacks. In 1988, after the book had fallen from favor enough to have dropped out of print, the publishers issued a new edition that removed nearly all references to race from the book (and cut out a plotline involving Prince Bumpo's desire to become white). In contrast, the Newbery-winning Voyages of Dr. Dolittle has been available in its original form (impolite words and all) for a long time, in part because the Newbery awarders forbade their medal to be displayed on altered texts.

Similar concerns about the handling of race apparently caused The Story of Little Black Sambo to be banned from Toronto public schools in 1956, according to a book by Daniel Braithwaite. (Much of the fuss over Sambo has been over the illustrations rather than the text; some illustrations from various editions can be found here.)

Is The Bible banned in US public schools? Some claim it is, though most of the claims I've received in email have either not contained specifics or referred to cases that weren't bans, but instead cases where a state school had to stop advocacy or special treatment favoring the religious messages of the Bible. (Such preferential treatment by state-run schools conflicts with the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.) However, sometimes schools may err in the other direction, restricting student's individual speech because of its religious nature (in conflict with the Free Exercise clause of the First Amendment). In New Jersey, for instance, a student selected by his teacher to choose a story to read to the class was told that he could not read the story he chose, once he announced that he had chosen the Biblical story of Jacob and Esau. Earlier, the school had also removed from display a poster he had drawn as a Thanksgiving assignment, where he depicted being thankful for Jesus. In August 2000, as reported in a an AP article at Freedom Forum, a federal appeals court came to a split decision in a lawsuit raised on these issues. The US Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal from the student's family on the story-reading incident.



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So . . . does anyone have any comments to make regarding censorship?



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Originally Posted by Django
So . . . does anyone have any comments to make regarding censorship?
Well, yeah. I don't like it. What do you think about censorship in relation to slasher films?
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I believe censorship should come from the people, not the government. Take TV. Suppose we didn't have the almighty FCC (or anyone) regulating our TV shows and movies on TV? Would all kids turn into criminals or foul-mouthed wiseasses? No. Parents would regulate their kids TV watching more, and things would work out just fine. Would pornos be shown on TV every night? No. That kind of stuff would be stopped by the people either the first time it showed up, or even before it was aired. The boycott would be so fast and devastating, the person who made the decision to air the porno would be working at a cash register the next week. Would we be able to watch PG-13 and R rated movies without having them ruined by lame and unnecessary slash jobs? YES. Would the diminishing of the stupid, negative effect so-called "bad words" have on people speed up? YES. Would George Carlin be able to use his real good material on The Tonight Show? YES. And that is the most important thing, of course.

Tell me something. What is offensive about the F word? WHY is it offensive? What about the S word? What about certain words for body parts? Offensive? WHY? I'm all for language and content WARNINGS, but not government censorship AT ALL.
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Originally Posted by Piddzilla
Well, yeah. I don't like it. What do you think about censorship in relation to slasher films?
To quote myself:
My take on the subject is this: censorship is warranted in the case of offensive, disgusting material, but it is a policy that needs to be exercised with extreme caution, because it can so easily be abused to silence the voices of those one disagrees with, even if they have a legitimate point to make.



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Originally Posted by Piddzilla
I didn't see the term "slasher films" anywhere in that quote.
I think slasher films, glorifying excessive, gratuitous violence without much interest paid to plot, qualify as "offensive, disgusting material." Wouldn't you say?



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Originally Posted by Django
I think slasher films, glorifying excessive, gratuitous violence without much interest paid to plot, qualify as "offensive, disgusting material." Wouldn't you say?
That's so subjective. So subjective that Kong would suggest that we just let the individual doing the consuming (assumming they aren't under the legal guardianship of another) do their own censoring for themselves.

By simply saying that "offensive, disgusting material" is open for censorship you leave the door wide open to the whims of the censor. If the censor is disgusted by homosexuality he/she can ban any or all of it in our books, films, etc. If the censor is disgusted by cuss words: chop, chop, chop, splice, splice, splice. And on, and on, and on.
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Good point--but I think there is such a thing as societal standards with respect to offensive content. There are many things out there that are unbelievably profane and offensive--I wouldn't even want to mention them--so much so that they are almost universally deemed offensive. Admittedly, there are some people out there who would not deem such things offensive, but where does one draw the line? There has to be a line, as a society cannot afford to be completely permissive and survive. There has to be some limit to what is permissible, in my opinion--you can't allow anything. On the other hand, censors have to be careful that they don't violate the basic rights of self-expression that people enjoy. It's a fine line--a balancing act. But it's a line that needs to be drawn somewhere.



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CENSORED.

Note: Before Silver Bullet edited my post (again!!!) and, effectively, censored my message, the contents of my post were as follows:

Originally Posted by Silver Bullet
I hate you, and wouldn't much mind if you died.
Censor that, Baby.
The fact that you hate me so much without even knowing me tells me a lot about you.



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Really sick, Silver Bullet. I'd say that you single-handedly make the case against censorship--the wanton censorship of anyone who disagrees with you. In fact, your crazed antics is one of the reasons I started this thread in the first place.



Originally Posted by Django
Really sick, Silver Bullet. I'd say that you single-handedly make the case against censorship--the wanton censorship of anyone who disagrees with you. In fact, your crazed antics is one of the reasons I started this thread in the first place.
If he single-handedly makes the case against censorship, you, without a doubt, single-handedly make the case for it.

Besides: can't you appreciate the hilarious irony of what he did?



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Originally Posted by Yoda
If he single-handedly makes the case against censorship, you, without a doubt, single-handedly make the case for it.

Besides: can't you appreciate the hilarious irony of what he did?
OK, typically, at this point, I would reply with some caustic remark, which would then set off yet another never-ending session of childish, finicky bickering and squabbling.

BUT... this time, I'm going to exercise restraint and not say anything (other than explaining my course of action).



Usually at this stage I'd take away some of your reputation points, Uday, but it appears you can't get much more loathed as it is anyway.



Yo, Django....will you let SB make his point and leave it alone. Accept the way he is, instead of arguing with the guy.
Censorship is a delicate subject...yes. You two have two different opinions but leave it as it is. Please don't be more of an a**hole than you are.



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Originally Posted by The Silver Bullet
Usually at this stage I'd take away some of your reputation points, Uday, but it appears you can't get much more loathed as it is anyway.
Interesting . . . does this qualify as an admission that the reputation point system is, in fact, rigged, much as I suspected? Considering how Silver Bullet has been editing my posts and even messing around with my polls, and now, apparently, admitting to messing around with my reputation points, I think it all strikes me as very, very fishy.



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Originally Posted by jrs
Yo, Django....will you let SB make his point and leave it alone. Accept the way he is, instead of arguing with the guy.
Censorship is a delicate subject...yes. You two have two different opinions but leave it as it is. Please don't be more of an a**hole than you are.
Hey, the last thing I want to do is argue with Silver Bullet! Considering that he strikes me as being the biggest a**hole in the forum!



Originally Posted by Django
Hey, the last thing I want to do is argue with Silver Bullet! Considering that he strikes me as being the biggest a**hole in the forum!
Oooh, you better cover your a**, Bullet Boy.