Obama Most Pro-Abortion President in History

Don't forget abortion, the killing of innocent people.

Yes I know. You've said that 3 times now and you keep coming back here.

I contemplate it all the time. What you bring up is sad on another level. Yours is about selfish motives that drives a woman to kill her own child. There's no excuse for it that satisfies the blood of dead babies.

So all other forms of racism are invalid, unless they serve your point, is that it?

I don't know WHY you come to this site about movies if all you want to discuss is your hate of Obama and Abortion. You can talk about other things, it will be okay.

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People who get abortions just because they're going to have a girl are anti woman, but the whole legality of abortion is not. If a woman really cares about the gender of her child that much she shouldn't have the kid anyways. I do think it's ridiculous to compromise the whole legality of abortion because some people will use it for gender abortions, the same as saying being pro-gun is being pro-mass shooters

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I don't think Mes knows what racism really is. His claims of "black genocide" in America are about as believable and credible as those "white genocide" spam comments you might have seen floating around Youtube. (If you haven't, they're basically saying that because different races are moving to "white" countries, they're killing off the white race because they're breeding with white people....yeah, it's crazy)

Racism: 1. the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

2. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior.

Neither of those comes remotely close to what Planned Parenthood is about, unless Mes is willing to admit that his claims are nothing more than conspiracy theories.

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I think we're talking past each other a bit. The point is that it's a myopic framing of the issue, to try to talk about a life and death issue by looking for gender disparities. It'd be like if someone only talked about genocide in terms of which gender was being slaughtered more.

She shouldn't. But that's not the same thing as saying no one should.

It's just as ridiculous to have restriction-free abortions because of the extremely rare circumstances where the situation is genuinely desperate. But I have to disagree with the analogy anyway: the gun rights argument is that most gun owners exercise their rights without engaging in violence, but their is no corresponding way to exercise the right to an abortion without having one. The analogy only applies for individuals that support abortions except sex-selection abortions. Which, as I mentioned, is pretty much unenforceable anyway.

I think I've made it pretty clear that I'll criticize pro-life people when I feel their reasoning is poor. But I don't think you're getting what he's saying at all here. What he refers to as "black genocide" is not a conspiracy theory, it's just the description he gives to the fact that a wildly disproportionate number of abortions are for minority women. I don't know what part of that you don't find "believable" or "creditable"--it's true. The only thing you could take issue with is the incendiary phrasing.

What is a bit of a conspiracy theory is the idea that everyone working at Planned Parenthood want this to happen. That's unsupported by the facts. But the facts do show us that some of the people there will look the other way on everything from racism to sexual child abuse in order to carry out an abortion, and that should seriously concern everyone.

I agree, I'm fine with the argument that abortion is anti life, but i don't see it as anti woman


I agree again, but on the same aspect just because she shouldn't get an abortion for that reason, doesn't mean other reasons should be disqualified

1. I'm for restrictions, probably not as strict as yours, but I do think the laws are to relaxed right now

2. The analogy was saying that calling pro-choice anti woman is a big extreme, as is calling pro-gun pro-shooters a big extreme. It was showing how extreme it was.

3. And yes I'm not for sex-selected abortions, it is unenforceable, but in that case there's no legislation to fix it, therefore it's purely morals/honor system, and we can't make a law out of that

Uh....so should I be posting the definition of "genocide" as well?

Genocide: the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group.

For those of us who believe that abortions are not killing "unborn babies" or women, or whatever you want to call it, how can we possibly accept such an extreme "description"?

Also, I was a bit curious about this Planned Parenthod deal, so I visited their website. Oh yes, these people are definitely the "most racist group on the planet" right now. You can tell by their use of blue and the fact that their mission is to "deliver vital reproductive health care, sex education, and information to millions of women, men, and young people worldwide." So racist!

I wonder why they "target" minority women? Could it possibly be because minority women have a much higher rate of unintended pregnancies than majority women?

Planned Parenthood Covers Up Child Rape in Philadelphia

"In a review of inspection reports posted recently by the Pennsylvania Department of Health, the Pro-Life Action League has uncovered some very disturbing findings concerning two Planned Parenthood facilities in Philadelphia.

On August 29, 2013 Department of Health inspectors conducted an annual registration survey [PDF] of Planned Parenthood’s Locust Street Health Center, during which they reviewed the facility’s policy related to external reporting to appropriate agencies as related to The Pennsylvania Crimes Code and the Child Protective Service Law.

The Planned Parenthood Locust Street Health Center’s policy, updated December 2012, stated:

Statutory sexual assault (“statutory rape”) is sexual intercourse when one person is under the age of 16 and the other is 4 or more years older. It is a crime, however it is NOT a mandated reportable incident. …

But under Pennsylvania law, statutory rape is a mandated reportable incident. Planned Parenthood’s policy was flat-out wrong.

The Pennsylvania Department of Health made very clear in its report:

Sexual intercourse with a child less than 13 years of age is always a crime without regard to the age or relationship of the offender, and without regard to the “consent” of the child. … Under Pennsylvania law, a child less than 13 years of age is incapable of consent to sexual intercourse. …

Sexual intercourse with a child less than 16 years of age is a crime if the offender is four or more years older than the child, and the child and offenders are not married to each other. … Under Pennsylvania law, an unmarried individual less than 16 years of age is incapable of consent to sexual intercourse with a person who is four or more years older. …

Professional contact with a child less than 13 years of age who is pregnant, or who has a sexually-transmitted disease or condition, therefore triggers a duty, on the part of those health care providers identified in 18 Pa.C.S. § 5106 (a), to report under the Crimes Code in all circumstances. Contact with a child less than 16 years of age who is pregnant, or who has a sexually-transmitted disease or condition, triggers a duty to report under the Crimes Code if the person who caused the pregnancy, or who caused the child to have a sexually-transmitted disease or condition, is four or more years older than the child and is not married to the child. Failure to report as required by the Crimes Code is a summary offense punishable by fine and/or imprisonment. [emphasis added]"

More:
http://www.lifenews.com/2014/01/21/p...-philadelphia/






Secular Media is a joke.

No, because arguing based purely on hyper-literal definitions of words is silly. People use the word "genocide" to describe large numbers of deaths in a particular group even if there's no one centralized entity with that specific goal in mind.

And if you want to be completely literal, the word "deliberate" fits, anyway, because while the overall effect may not be deliberate, each individual action is. But that's a pointless thing to argue about, unless you're intentionally trying to find things to contradict, rather than trying to understand what's being said so it can be addressed.

You can't be serious. I don't buy into the idea that they're systematically racist, either, but "their site is blue and says innocuous things" is an absurd argument.

Yes, that's precisely why: it happens because that's how they can perform more abortions. But right now you're doing exactly what I mentioned in the other thread: having a lot to say about the ridiculous things, while ignoring the tougher questions. For example, I said this in my last post, and you've completely ignored it:

"But the facts do show us that some of the people there will look the other way on everything from racism to sexual child abuse in order to carry out an abortion, and that should seriously concern everyone."

And, again, I have to note how conspicuous it is when people bow out of these threads and all the tough questions they involve, only to pop back in as soon as something easy to contradict shows up.

"We should apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring."
"Give dysgenic groups [people with "bad genes"] in our population their choice of segregation or [compulsory] sterilization."

~ Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood

Does that answer your question? Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion business in America.

How are these quotes not racist?

The quotes are obviously racist. Margaret Sanger was obviously a racist. But that's not the claim: the claim is that Planned Parenthood, today is inherently racist, and that claim is not supported by the views of its founder. This is what's known as the genetic fallacy. It's like saying a newspaper is bigoted because its founder a century ago was.

I wanna apologize for my outburst earlier. I think this thread is crap ad I felt like slinging some around.

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I'm well aware of that. However, what proof is offered that the beliefs and racist views of the founder have not been adopted by the current owners of PP?

Your burden of proof is backwards: they're not racist until proven otherwise. Nobody is, or at least, nobody should be.

And if you're well aware of the fallacy I'm referring to, then I can't think of why you would present Sanger's quotes as evidence in the first place.

There is no proof that they are not racist. The fact that they continue to target blacks and minorities as is evident with people like Kermit Gosnell, the burden is with the pro-choice people to prove otherwise.

What would proof of not being racist look like, exactly? How would you prove you're not racist, for example?

This is why the burden of proof works the other way: because you can't prove a negative.

You are the one implying that they're racist, so yes as Yoda said the burden of proof is on you. I'm sure there are racists in the pro choice/planned parenthood camp, just as i'm sure that there are racists in the pro life camp. To claim that this organization is full of racists, is no better than claiming that the Catholic Church is full of paedophiles imo. And before you accuse me of killing babies, i'm pro-life.

Exactly. Also everyone knows that to prove you aren't racist is to say you have a black friend

Planned Parenthood has already proven themselves corrupt time and time again. The words of their founder and their continued targeting of blacks and minorities is proof enough of this. Planned Parenthood has done nothing to save their ruined image. They are instruments of death, not life.

“The most obvious practitioner of racism in the United States today is Planned Parenthood, an organization founded by the eugenicist Margaret Sanger and recently documented as ready to accept money to eliminate black babies” - Dr. Alveda King

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