These cats are slightly biased, but I enjoyed their overview
For what it's worth, I'll be voting yes. But with even AV-friendly London polling at around 34% yes, I doubt we'll get past the post. Ironic? (Not really in a 2 issue vote - but anyway ).
AV ('-') is a fairly muddled and 'compromised' system, but as the vid points out, almost all our political parties are happy to use it for their own leadership elections (and London used it to elect our Mayor - who is against it incidentally). It's nothing more than a stepping stone towards some form of PR (or more likely, just 'away' from 'FPTP'). I don't like to vote 'against' things per se, but I am inordinately frustrated at having my vote almost certainly count for nothing if I vote for someone other than the local favourite (and FPTP's morays, and in-power gerrymandering, almost always generate this scenario).
A lot of the aspersions cast against AV are outlier events rather than inevitable outcomes that have been portrayed: Extremist empowerment (for this to happen the BNP et al need to actually win a seat for a start, which still looks unlikely given their general support and alternatives for 'Europhiles' etc. And even then it takes more of a Le Penn movement as seen in France for them to act as any kind of 'kingmaker' or fulcrum); Blandification to appeal to all (as 10 O'Clock Live put it, could our politicians get any more centrist/bland/disengenuous??). And as for the cost. Plz.
Anyways, enough ramble, what are some other Brits' thoughts on the subject? *EDIT* Or non-Brits for that matter - I know Aussies have AV in part, and the US is fairly 'past the posty'. There are certainly plenty of pros and cons worth chewing over
For what it's worth, I'll be voting yes. But with even AV-friendly London polling at around 34% yes, I doubt we'll get past the post. Ironic? (Not really in a 2 issue vote - but anyway ).
AV ('-') is a fairly muddled and 'compromised' system, but as the vid points out, almost all our political parties are happy to use it for their own leadership elections (and London used it to elect our Mayor - who is against it incidentally). It's nothing more than a stepping stone towards some form of PR (or more likely, just 'away' from 'FPTP'). I don't like to vote 'against' things per se, but I am inordinately frustrated at having my vote almost certainly count for nothing if I vote for someone other than the local favourite (and FPTP's morays, and in-power gerrymandering, almost always generate this scenario).
A lot of the aspersions cast against AV are outlier events rather than inevitable outcomes that have been portrayed: Extremist empowerment (for this to happen the BNP et al need to actually win a seat for a start, which still looks unlikely given their general support and alternatives for 'Europhiles' etc. And even then it takes more of a Le Penn movement as seen in France for them to act as any kind of 'kingmaker' or fulcrum); Blandification to appeal to all (as 10 O'Clock Live put it, could our politicians get any more centrist/bland/disengenuous??). And as for the cost. Plz.
Anyways, enough ramble, what are some other Brits' thoughts on the subject? *EDIT* Or non-Brits for that matter - I know Aussies have AV in part, and the US is fairly 'past the posty'. There are certainly plenty of pros and cons worth chewing over
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Last edited by Golgot; 04-28-11 at 12:39 PM.