Schindler's List

I am not Jewish, I was married to a Jewish guy who cared for Holocaust survivors I feel I have a connection to these events I found the movie very sad and my partner at that time couldn't watch it at all

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This movie the most amazing movie about WWII and the Russian movement.

Hrmm, we might need to consult the dictionary. Sympathy and empathy are similar and the dictionary definitions for both don't really help much.

I think I have it the right way though.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-...nd-empathy.htm

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gah double post.

I've never understood this logic, outside of the human need to connect or find relevance to something big and important in this world.

As I explained my thoughts to Yoda; I don't believe that because a person is Jewish that they have some inherent connection to all things holocaust. They are no more connected than blacks are today to slavery because they're black, and no more connected than I am connected to slave-ownership because I'm white.

The movie isn't that sad, but the historical events are very sad, but it's one episode in the many where humans have treated themselves and each other cruely. In fact, I view it as a human issue and not a Jewish or whatever else issue. Unless you knew someone - had talked to them, socialized, huged them whatever - who died in the Holocaust, you're no more sad than I am or have a special "right" to the historical events than anyone else. So while your husband may have a special connection, unless you were along with him caring for the survivors, you are no more connected than I. My girlfriend had cancer before I met her. This makes me no more sad when watching a movie about cancer than anyone else. Now had I known my girlfriend while she had cancer, then yes I would have a special connection. Yes a non-Jewish person can get sad over watching the film, the same as a Jewish person can.

Anyway.

Well thats you but some people do

As a race a lot of people feel a connection with ancestors and their journey's, whether they are persecution or slavery. Just because you don't doesn't mean others should feel the same as you

It was a Jewish issue, they were targeted as a race Yes Humans can be terrible to other Humans but this was a Jewish issue

Well I am actually sad about People being killed for no other reason than because they are of a certain race Just because you can't doesn't mean all of us are like you Actually I have hugged saviours

It is my makeup to feel connected and feel empathy for people I don't know That is what makes me a good counsellor I hope

That is where we differ, I can I don't need to go through something myself or with a friend or family member to connect with them or their pain, again as I said maybe that is what makes me an empathic counsellor, I have been told this by many X clients

Everything you're saying hinges on what you mean by "connected," doesn't it? If you mean that they are owed nothing in a moral or legal sense, and are not inherently "wronged" by virtue of being of the same race, then I'd agree. But I don't think I'd go any further than that.

Anyway, I think a Jewish person has an inherent connection to all things Jewish, which includes the Holocaust.

Jewish issues are encompassed by "human issues," so there's no need to introduce the phrase as a replacement.

Also, as nebbit pointed out, the Holocaust was about Jews being targeted as a race. It's not a terrible crime that just happens to have happened to a certain group of people -- who they are is integral to why it happened. That's probably one of the reasons some feel more "connected" to it than other, similar tragedies. A Jewish person today knows that they've been fortunate enough to have been born during a time (and in a place) that is much more tolerant of their people than many places were just 70 years ago. I'm sure it's a very humbling thing to realize this. The idea that something terrible could have easily happened to us has a way of bringing it home and making it seem more real than it otherwise might have.

If I'd lived in Germany in the 30s, I'd have been fine; to be in danger I'd have to be in a different time, a different place, and I'd have to be a different person. A Jewish person has one less factor to remove them from the event, and thus might feel closer to it as a result. I guess in a perfect world everyone would feel this kind of identity and kinship with all groups of people all the time, but as flawed beings we tend to respond more when the tragedy could have happened to us, and the degree to which we feel that has a lot to do with how far removed our current circumstances are from those that caused each respective tragedy.

I find this kind of interesting. You seem to be agreeing--despite everything you've said above--that being closer to the event really does give someone more of a "connection" to it. Does it, or not?

If it does, it seems a little arbitrary that this would disappear after that first degree of separation. What about the grandchild of a Holocaust survivor, for example? They might not have known much about their grandparents, but they're related to them, and the are the offspring that the Nazis were specifically trying to stop from coming into being. If the Holocaust had succeeded, they wouldn't exist; this is true of many Jewish people today.

Anyway, I'm not a fan of anyone trying to use their race or religion to lord some kind of "I'm sadder than you are" moral authority over anyone else, but I don't think we have to play down the link between Jewish people and the Holocaust to reject that.

Schindler's List was amazing. Easily one of the 100 greatest films ever made.

Masterpiece.

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I agree. I also completely disagree with this thread's review of the movie. The aspects of the movie that were criticized (the ending "I could have saved more" and the ending with the actual jews) I found the most powerful and memorable parts of the film. I hate this mentality that if a movie has a relatively happy ending and is emotional than it is dismissed as "sentimental". I've heard the same thing applied to The Shawshank Redemption and Forrest Gump, both two of my favorite movies. I think some people need to just lighten up and realize that just because it's got a touching ending it doesn't mean that the movie isn't good.

Just my two cents

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I did consult the dictionary. Sympathy is sharing the feeling of a person, because you have experienced the same emotions. Empathy is understanding the feelings of another person.

The dictionary definition's pretty clear:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/empathy
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sympathy

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I think it was the fact that the movie was about the Holocaust, which did not have such a 'touching' ending, and the movie had been refreshingly objective throughout. Nobody needs a film to tell them that the Holocaust was horrible.

I rated the movie highly though because the cinematography was brilliant and were it not for a few misjudgements, it might have been a five-star film.

Some people do

I don't think you have to have any race/religion/patriotic connection to anyone to feel for someone else's suffering. We're all human beings.

You don't have to be Jewish to appreciate what happened in this movie--imagine being plucked off the street because you had a D in your last name, or some other manufactured reason. That stuff is still going on all over the world as we speak. Fact is, it's a competent, well-made film about a man who is changed by horrendous events surrounding him.

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Just turned on Schindler's List soundtrack.I listen to it from time to time but only now I really listened carefully and just thought about it.I love it.Like the violin just pierces your heart. )

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I think this is the greatest film ever made.

I wouldn't view this film simply in terms of black and white. Obviously the same people that spawned Goeth also produced Schindler.
There are only a few great movies about the Holocaust: The Pianist, Sophie's Choice and Schindler's List, for it's sheer scope, cinematography, and belief in redemption.

A few years ago, I would have said B- was too late but after having watched the movie again about a month ago, I have to say, it felt a lot more cheesy than the first time. There were completely nonsensical scenes which seemed to be there just to pull at the heart strings.

Schindler's wife was portrayed as plain stupid, seriously that relationship was barely developed and all of a sudden he turns around and wants her back?

It's still a beautiful shot movie with Liam Neeson providing a career best turn as Schindler.

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Personaly, I would have edited the whole scene where Schindler breaks down and says " I could have saved more ". It just seemed too contrived, unnecessary and superflous. Barring the other few blatant attempts at pulling the heart strings, this movie could have been perfect.

I dunno about perfect but yes, getting rid of some of those scenes and trying to create a more believable central romance would really have helped the movie. It's weird how the passing of time can change opinion, the first time I watched this movie I found it to be up there as possibly Spielberg's best work.