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Indeed. IMAX is what 3D wants to be but can't touch. I can never get over those massive high resolution images.
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Another thing I don't get is why some people say that the ending was great, but they didn't like the first half of the film. I thought the first half was solid, mostly. Very brave not to have Batman show up after awhile. It's a nice simmering build up to what was an explosive third act. I think in order to appreciate the ending you have to appreciate the build up to it. Again, I need to see this at a normal cinema screening so I gather my thoughts properly, but I am still thinking this is very good work.
Well said Prestige
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I actually think the former is much more menacing.
Having watched the prologue multiple times before seeing the film I was actually disappointed with the way they changed it.
Having watched the prologue multiple times before seeing the film I was actually disappointed with the way they changed it.
You could barely even understand him.
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Why?
You could barely even understand him.
You could barely even understand him.
Just got back from TDKR second viewing. Felt I was able to sit back and enjoy this time rather than sitting scrutinising every little thing like the first time.
I feel that despite a few minor flaws it is a great movie, and great trilogy for that matter.
It goes back to the Begins in terms of this really being the Bruce Wayne story/journey rather than a superhero/Batman movie.
My big gripe this time is the "We only have 45 minutes to save the City". We get the 18 hour warning, then the 12 hour warning which I feel is enough until the chase where there are only minutes left. It really feels like far too much gets crammed into that 30 mins between the 45 min warning and the chase including going from "dark nightime" to clear daylight. Perhaps Nolan should take a wee lesson from Micheal Bay on how to get that sunrise/sunset scene inbetween daytime/nightime. Also could be applied to the Tunnel chase scene.
Really every cast member/character is on good form. There really isn't anyone letting the side down at all I feel.
Still worthy of the 9/10 I gave it first time if not a 9.5/10.
Begins 9.5/10
Dark Knight 10/10
Rises 9.25/10
Well done Nolan! Strong contender for greatest ever trilogy.
I feel that despite a few minor flaws it is a great movie, and great trilogy for that matter.
It goes back to the Begins in terms of this really being the Bruce Wayne story/journey rather than a superhero/Batman movie.
My big gripe this time is the "We only have 45 minutes to save the City". We get the 18 hour warning, then the 12 hour warning which I feel is enough until the chase where there are only minutes left. It really feels like far too much gets crammed into that 30 mins between the 45 min warning and the chase including going from "dark nightime" to clear daylight. Perhaps Nolan should take a wee lesson from Micheal Bay on how to get that sunrise/sunset scene inbetween daytime/nightime. Also could be applied to the Tunnel chase scene.
Really every cast member/character is on good form. There really isn't anyone letting the side down at all I feel.
Still worthy of the 9/10 I gave it first time if not a 9.5/10.
Begins 9.5/10
Dark Knight 10/10
Rises 9.25/10
Well done Nolan! Strong contender for greatest ever trilogy.
The film does suffer from pacing issues (as well as trying to follow up from The Dark Knight), but yeah, I agree it's probably a film that will gain a better reputation as time goes on. This isn't a film you can just sit down and watch on your laptop, though. I genuinely believe that people who don't see this film on IMAX are really not getting the full benefit of RISES. It's not just used for big action sequences, it's used a proper narrative tool for the most part, and it's a lot more free and seamless. Like that sequence where
Theres also subtle use of the format in seemingly random moments like inside a car or a conversation with a character or something. Really can't get enough of this format, and it's encouraging to know that the new Star Trek film will feature it.
I don't know if this has been posted yet, but there is a foreword by Nolan on The Dark Knight Trilogy. It's his farewell letter to the character, and it's a wonderful read.
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/07/2...he-dark-knight
What a beautiful beautiful man. There really isn't many quite like him. This also supports my post where I said that Nolan wasn't even planning on doing a third...Bouncingbricks..
WARNING: "Rises spoilers" spoilers below
Selina Kyle leads Batman to Bane and as soon as the gates shut down, the IMAX images expand the screen in incredibly heightened detail to reinforce the fact that Batman is in a 'whoa ****' situation.
Theres also subtle use of the format in seemingly random moments like inside a car or a conversation with a character or something. Really can't get enough of this format, and it's encouraging to know that the new Star Trek film will feature it.
I don't know if this has been posted yet, but there is a foreword by Nolan on The Dark Knight Trilogy. It's his farewell letter to the character, and it's a wonderful read.
"Alfred. Gordon. Lucius. Bruce . . . Wayne. Names that have come to mean so much to me. Today, I’m three weeks from saying a final good-bye to these characters and their world. It’s my son’s ninth birthday. He was born as the Tumbler was being glued together in my garage from random parts of model kits. Much time, many changes. A shift from sets where some gunplay or a helicopter were extraordinary events to working days where crowds of extras, building demolitions, or mayhem thousands of feet in the air have become familiar.
People ask if we’d always planned a trilogy. This is like being asked whether you had planned on growing up, getting married, having kids. The answer is complicated. When David and I first started cracking open Bruce’s story, we flirted with what might come after, then backed away, not wanting to look too deep into the future. I didn’t want to know everything that Bruce couldn’t; I wanted to live it with him. I told David and Jonah to put everything they knew into each film as we made it. The entire cast and crew put all they had into the first film. Nothing held back. Nothing saved for next time. They built an entire city. Then Christian and Michael and Gary and Morgan and Liam and Cillian started living in it.
Christian bit off a big chunk of Bruce Wayne’s life and made it utterly compelling. He took us into a pop icon’s mind and never let us notice for an instant the fanciful nature of Bruce’s methods. I never thought we’d do a second—how many good sequels are there? Why roll those dice? But once I knew where it would take Bruce, and when I started to see glimpses of the antagonist, it became essential. We re-assembled the team and went back to Gotham. It had changed in three years. Bigger. More real. More modern. And a new force of chaos was coming to the fore. The ultimate scary clown, as brought to terrifying life by Heath. We’d held nothing back, but there were things we hadn’t been able to do the first time out—a Batsuit with a flexible neck, shooting on Imax. And things we’d chickened out on—destroying the Batmobile, burning up the villain’s blood money to show a complete disregard for conventional motivation. We took the supposed security of a sequel as license to throw caution to the wind and headed for the darkest corners of Gotham.
I never thought we’d do a third — are there any great second sequels? But I kept wondering about the end of Bruce’s journey, and once David and I discovered it, I had to see it for myself. We had come back to what we had barely dared whisper about in those first days in my garage. We had been making a trilogy. I called everyone back together for another tour of Gotham. Four years later, it was still there. It even seemed a little cleaner, a little more polished. Wayne Manor had been rebuilt. Familiar faces were back—a little older, a little wiser . . . but not all was as it seemed. Gotham was rotting away at its foundations. A new evil bubbling up from beneath. Bruce had thought Batman was not needed anymore, but Bruce was wrong, just as I had been wrong. The Batman had to come back. I suppose he always will.
Michael, Morgan, Gary, Cillian, Liam, Heath, Christian . . . Bale. Names that have come to mean so much to me. My time in Gotham, looking after one of the greatest and most enduring figures in pop culture, has been the most challenging and rewarding experience a filmmaker could hope for. I will miss the Batman. I like to think that he’ll miss me, but he’s never been particularly sentimental."
People ask if we’d always planned a trilogy. This is like being asked whether you had planned on growing up, getting married, having kids. The answer is complicated. When David and I first started cracking open Bruce’s story, we flirted with what might come after, then backed away, not wanting to look too deep into the future. I didn’t want to know everything that Bruce couldn’t; I wanted to live it with him. I told David and Jonah to put everything they knew into each film as we made it. The entire cast and crew put all they had into the first film. Nothing held back. Nothing saved for next time. They built an entire city. Then Christian and Michael and Gary and Morgan and Liam and Cillian started living in it.
Christian bit off a big chunk of Bruce Wayne’s life and made it utterly compelling. He took us into a pop icon’s mind and never let us notice for an instant the fanciful nature of Bruce’s methods. I never thought we’d do a second—how many good sequels are there? Why roll those dice? But once I knew where it would take Bruce, and when I started to see glimpses of the antagonist, it became essential. We re-assembled the team and went back to Gotham. It had changed in three years. Bigger. More real. More modern. And a new force of chaos was coming to the fore. The ultimate scary clown, as brought to terrifying life by Heath. We’d held nothing back, but there were things we hadn’t been able to do the first time out—a Batsuit with a flexible neck, shooting on Imax. And things we’d chickened out on—destroying the Batmobile, burning up the villain’s blood money to show a complete disregard for conventional motivation. We took the supposed security of a sequel as license to throw caution to the wind and headed for the darkest corners of Gotham.
I never thought we’d do a third — are there any great second sequels? But I kept wondering about the end of Bruce’s journey, and once David and I discovered it, I had to see it for myself. We had come back to what we had barely dared whisper about in those first days in my garage. We had been making a trilogy. I called everyone back together for another tour of Gotham. Four years later, it was still there. It even seemed a little cleaner, a little more polished. Wayne Manor had been rebuilt. Familiar faces were back—a little older, a little wiser . . . but not all was as it seemed. Gotham was rotting away at its foundations. A new evil bubbling up from beneath. Bruce had thought Batman was not needed anymore, but Bruce was wrong, just as I had been wrong. The Batman had to come back. I suppose he always will.
Michael, Morgan, Gary, Cillian, Liam, Heath, Christian . . . Bale. Names that have come to mean so much to me. My time in Gotham, looking after one of the greatest and most enduring figures in pop culture, has been the most challenging and rewarding experience a filmmaker could hope for. I will miss the Batman. I like to think that he’ll miss me, but he’s never been particularly sentimental."
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/07/2...he-dark-knight
What a beautiful beautiful man. There really isn't many quite like him. This also supports my post where I said that Nolan wasn't even planning on doing a third...Bouncingbricks..
"We had come back to what we had barely dared whisper about in those first days in my garage. We had been making a trilogy."
That sounds like a planned third film to me, even if just an idea.
There's at least one person in the world who agrees with my crackpot notions about this film.
That sounds like a planned third film to me, even if just an idea.
There's at least one person in the world who agrees with my crackpot notions about this film.
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I doubt somebody planning a trilogy would say something like that. In your quote, Nolan's indicates that they flirted with the notion of a trilogy, but nothing was set in stone, which is why the first two entries make great standalone films.
I doubt somebody planning a trilogy would say something like that. In your quote, Nolan's indicates that they flirted with the notion of a trilogy, but nothing was set in stone, which is why the first two entries make great standalone films.
Christopher Nolan has brought the widely acclaimed Batman trilogy to a tremendous finale with The Dark Knight Rises, giving Christian Bale’s masked superhero one last battle against the forces of revolution and anarchy that regularly beset Gotham City.
To begin with, we thought what a place to watch this film than our new local cinema the Showcase De Lux. From past experience, out of the three cinemas near us Showcase has the biggest screen and most comfortable seats. It was a no brainer to go there to watch this masterpiece of a film. In the start, Gotham is at peace, its criminal elements expelled after the events from the previous film, which saw Batman taking the rap for the death of Gotham’s crusading-DA-turned-psychopath Harvey Dent whilst defeating the Joker.
We see jaw-dropping set pieces with typical boldness, including the skyjacking of a government plane and an explosive assault on a sports stadium. The character Bane is a resilient villain, full of charisma, but with his voice muffled he lacks the emotion of the previous films Joker. Catwoman, sexy and mischievous, she gets to deliver the film’s most memorable lines, providing most of its rare moments of humour. An example of this is: ‘There’s a storm coming’. ‘You and your friends better batten down the hatches, because when it hits, you’re going to wonder how you ever thought you could live so large and leave so little for the rest of us.’
In the end, although we see the film showing a one sided attack from the villain Bain, the film wants you to root for its billionaire hero. We see an action packed comeback as Batman strives to restore the status quo and the film ends on a cliff-hanger. In my opinion the film is definitely worth a watch, especially if you have seen the previous two films. I would definitely recommend watching it at a cinema; personally I would go to a Showcase as they always seem to offer that little extra in comfort and picture quality.
To begin with, we thought what a place to watch this film than our new local cinema the Showcase De Lux. From past experience, out of the three cinemas near us Showcase has the biggest screen and most comfortable seats. It was a no brainer to go there to watch this masterpiece of a film. In the start, Gotham is at peace, its criminal elements expelled after the events from the previous film, which saw Batman taking the rap for the death of Gotham’s crusading-DA-turned-psychopath Harvey Dent whilst defeating the Joker.
We see jaw-dropping set pieces with typical boldness, including the skyjacking of a government plane and an explosive assault on a sports stadium. The character Bane is a resilient villain, full of charisma, but with his voice muffled he lacks the emotion of the previous films Joker. Catwoman, sexy and mischievous, she gets to deliver the film’s most memorable lines, providing most of its rare moments of humour. An example of this is: ‘There’s a storm coming’. ‘You and your friends better batten down the hatches, because when it hits, you’re going to wonder how you ever thought you could live so large and leave so little for the rest of us.’
In the end, although we see the film showing a one sided attack from the villain Bain, the film wants you to root for its billionaire hero. We see an action packed comeback as Batman strives to restore the status quo and the film ends on a cliff-hanger. In my opinion the film is definitely worth a watch, especially if you have seen the previous two films. I would definitely recommend watching it at a cinema; personally I would go to a Showcase as they always seem to offer that little extra in comfort and picture quality.
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After reading through most of the thread and acknowledging the plot holes pointed out, I have to say, they don’t bother me much at all. It seems one of the biggest problems some have with the film is the nuke being a rather weak or unoriginal threat to Gotham. I look at this completely differently. I look at Bane and his takeover of Gotham as a whole, and not just the ticking time bomb. Watching the downfall of Gotham on IMAX was just insane to me, it was incredibly well done and very eerily real. The bomb seemed to be a necessary way to deter outside interference in the city. As far as super villain evil plots, this was one of the most diabolical I’ve witnessed. The football stadium! What the hell man, an entire crowd witnessing the destruction of Gotham, that was just masterfully intense. Sure, the cops went into a tunnel head first, which obviously wasn’t the smartest plan, but I think we as an audience were supposed to accept that Bane and his crew predicted that movement, just as we understood the Joker was able to predict a lot of his tactical carnage in TDK.
Now, the beef with the nuke’s submersion failsafe. It’s fair to say that Batman could have dropped the bomb in the water immediately, triggering the failsafe. But then Batman would still exist. Who knew about the failsafe? Not the city of Gotham. I think the overall point of his flying it out of view was so Batman could ultimately become the symbol Gotham needed him to be. Batman was able to die a hero, re-unite Gotham, help hundreds of orphans, pass his reigns to a new noble hero, and continue living without his Bruce Wayne baggage.
Two things I had a little issue with. The humanization of Bane seemed really rushed and didn’t quite fit. He was this masterful, diabolical leader the entire film, then the twist happens and all of a sudden he is incredibly vulnerable for no reason other than a sort of love/mentor relationship. The second being what Yoda has mentioned a lot. The symbolism was set up perfectly, Gotham was going to take it’s city back, but then, it’s a bunch of police fighting instead of Gotham’s citizens. I mean, even the motivation was perfect, the Bat flys in, takes out a tumbler, and everyone cheers and pressed forward. But it was the police, and it should have been the entire city.
One more thing, Yoda. No music during the first Bane and Batman fight WAS AWESOME! I loved it so much. Even as Prestige mentioned, when the screen widened for IMAX footage during that scene, DAYUM! Overall, I absolutely loved the film. I was just thoroughly enjoying everything that happened, and the IMAX experience really enhanced everything. The ending sequence was so moving, exciting, and concluding, I was just left sitting in my theater seat with a huge grin on my face. Not to mention, the acting across the board was phenomenal. What a fine ending to the greatest trilogy.
After reading through most of the thread and acknowledging the plot holes pointed out, I have to say, they don’t bother me much at all. It seems one of the biggest problems some have with the film is the nuke being a rather weak or unoriginal threat to Gotham. I look at this completely differently. I look at Bane and his takeover of Gotham as a whole, and not just the ticking time bomb. Watching the downfall of Gotham on IMAX was just insane to me, it was incredibly well done and very eerily real. The bomb seemed to be a necessary way to deter outside interference in the city. As far as super villain evil plots, this was one of the most diabolical I’ve witnessed. The football stadium! What the hell man, an entire crowd witnessing the destruction of Gotham, that was just masterfully intense. Sure, the cops went into a tunnel head first, which obviously wasn’t the smartest plan, but I think we as an audience were supposed to accept that Bane and his crew predicted that movement, just as we understood the Joker was able to predict a lot of his tactical carnage in TDK.
Now, the beef with the nuke’s submersion failsafe. It’s fair to say that Batman could have dropped the bomb in the water immediately, triggering the failsafe. But then Batman would still exist. Who knew about the failsafe? Not the city of Gotham. I think the overall point of his flying it out of view was so Batman could ultimately become the symbol Gotham needed him to be. Batman was able to die a hero, re-unite Gotham, help hundreds of orphans, pass his reigns to a new noble hero, and continue living without his Bruce Wayne baggage.
Two things I had a little issue with. The humanization of Bane seemed really rushed and didn’t quite fit. He was this masterful, diabolical leader the entire film, then the twist happens and all of a sudden he is incredibly vulnerable for no reason other than a sort of love/mentor relationship. The second being what Yoda has mentioned a lot. The symbolism was set up perfectly, Gotham was going to take it’s city back, but then, it’s a bunch of police fighting instead of Gotham’s citizens. I mean, even the motivation was perfect, the Bat flys in, takes out a tumbler, and everyone cheers and pressed forward. But it was the police, and it should have been the entire city.
One more thing, Yoda. No music during the first Bane and Batman fight WAS AWESOME! I loved it so much. Even as Prestige mentioned, when the screen widened for IMAX footage during that scene, DAYUM! Overall, I absolutely loved the film. I was just thoroughly enjoying everything that happened, and the IMAX experience really enhanced everything. The ending sequence was so moving, exciting, and concluding, I was just left sitting in my theater seat with a huge grin on my face. Not to mention, the acting across the board was phenomenal. What a fine ending to the greatest trilogy.
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I loved how only the audience and a hand full of other people knew that the bomb was going to detonate in just a few months no matter what. It was interesting seeing how everyone reacted under the impression that they couldn't mess up or they would be blown to bits. Even Catwoman was laboring under the delusion that the city was finally how she wanted it. I love seeing movies where people will die for a cause... and in this case Bane, Talia Al Guhl, and the rest of them were okay with their own death because they knew what it stood for.
I agree with the humanization of Bane. I have to say that I liked the Joker as a villain more so than Bane because part of you admired the Joker and thought he was a creative, crazy, hilarious, bad ass... but then the other part of you hated him a little bit because of what he did to Rachel (a loveable character if I do say so myself) and how he killed/tried to kill characters you actually liked. With Bane I feel it was a different story. I liked Bane a lot. One of his only personal kills was Dagget, a character I hated anyway so I didn't really care about anyone that Bane killed. I feel like they should have developed Bane in such a way that made us hate him but also be in awe of him instead of almost making us feel sorry for him.
Another thing I didn't understand was why Blake was so dissapointed in Gordon after hearing Bane read the letter out loud on TV. It seemed that Blake had a hunch all along of what really went down so why does he scorn Gordon?
But overall this still was an amazing movie. The plot, the solid cast, everything was great. It was definitely a long movie but I didn't mind the length at all. It was amazing.
I agree with the humanization of Bane. I have to say that I liked the Joker as a villain more so than Bane because part of you admired the Joker and thought he was a creative, crazy, hilarious, bad ass... but then the other part of you hated him a little bit because of what he did to Rachel (a loveable character if I do say so myself) and how he killed/tried to kill characters you actually liked. With Bane I feel it was a different story. I liked Bane a lot. One of his only personal kills was Dagget, a character I hated anyway so I didn't really care about anyone that Bane killed. I feel like they should have developed Bane in such a way that made us hate him but also be in awe of him instead of almost making us feel sorry for him.
Another thing I didn't understand was why Blake was so dissapointed in Gordon after hearing Bane read the letter out loud on TV. It seemed that Blake had a hunch all along of what really went down so why does he scorn Gordon?
But overall this still was an amazing movie. The plot, the solid cast, everything was great. It was definitely a long movie but I didn't mind the length at all. It was amazing.
I also think it is pretty important to say that I didn't pay attention to ANY of the hype leading up to the release. I literally only watched the first release of the trailer and even avoided the TV spots. It was so refreshing walking into that theater knowing absolutely nothing about what I was about to witness. If anyone else has a release they are looking forward to, please give this a try and go into it fresh.
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I'm considering doing that with Man Of Steel... even though I've been scouring the internet every day for the past few months, I may just call it a day and wait for the film to arrive.
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I watched it last night (yes, yes, I'm that late) and in spite of the undoubtedly aforementioned plot holes (some big, some small), The Dark Knight Rises is an excellent film. I have lots of things I want to say, but I'll start with the very best scene in the film.
Now, I don't know if this has been mentioned, but it wasn't the football field; the fight between Batman and Bane; Wayne making it out of the prison with the bats symbolism; the first re-appearance of Batman. It was that scene where Alfred leaves Wayne. The emotions were subdued, yet incredibly touching, and the dialogue was so great. Terrific acting...
@ ThePrestige: The way Bane let Batman punch him in their first fight scene: very Ricardo Mayorga of him, lol!
Now, I don't know if this has been mentioned, but it wasn't the football field; the fight between Batman and Bane; Wayne making it out of the prison with the bats symbolism; the first re-appearance of Batman. It was that scene where Alfred leaves Wayne. The emotions were subdued, yet incredibly touching, and the dialogue was so great. Terrific acting...
@ ThePrestige: The way Bane let Batman punch him in their first fight scene: very Ricardo Mayorga of him, lol!
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