Israel or the Palestinians: Who do you support?

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Pretty neutral Video showing the conflict in short.

Israel, but no good will come of this thread.

if there's 2-3 people open their heads and really try to understand the conflict, it did its job.

Ah, and when you say open your heads, you mean start thinking like you do?

No thanks.

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I mean you to think logically, if you are going to hate us, and it is entirely legitimate truth, at least that you provide arguments rather than "you expel Palestinians and killing little children."

But really there no arguments except from "You kill lots of Palestinians and small children." am i right?

I support Palestinians!

why?
please explain...

Because it was their land till 1948 for about 1500 years or more.

No, you aren't right.

I'd appreciate it if you didn't ascribe ideas to me that I haven't stated directly myself. Please quote the post in which I said the above things.

You CLEARLY have an agenda here, one that is directly related to your interests and establishing your way of thinking as "correct" when concerned with these matters. Just exactly what do you aim to achieve here?

I dunno man, you are clearly up for an argument, so much so that you IMMEDIATELY inserted a false statement into the conversation after quoting what I actually said, just to argue against a point no one has made.

I say! Good show!

Good day, Sir.

"their"
Who is "their"?
the Palestinians?
that in fact "appeared" only in 1967, after the Jews have achieved their holy land after 2000 years of exile?

why They did not want their state when the area was controlled by Jordan?
Oh yes, they were slaughtering them without giving a ****.

Israel, who only want an area the size of New Jersey, where she can live in peace after 2000 years in Europe, after 2000 years in which we were expelled from every country there is, 2000 years in which the Arabs somehow got the Land of Israel, and decided that she was "their".

that the Arabs conquered our land, sometime during 2000 years in which the Jewish people could not do anything. Do not make it "their".

This seems like a really weird and volatile thread for a Movie Forum site, even if it is under the miscellaneous tab.

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what the forum traing to achieve? What is the achieve of discussion of writing one discussion of discussion of?
what we traing to achieve here?

what I'm trying to get here, that's what people from other countries think of the state where I live?
and, to try to convince them we're right in this conflict, because it just annoys me that the Arabs obtain support for a picture of a child killed (because of them!), or distortion of history (see the guy under you)

Dude, we've had tons of threads like this. They've just waned over the last couple of years.

That said, I'm going to issue a blanket warning: if this gets at all ugly, I'm going to close it. I don't want to, and I'd rather everyone discuss this civilly, but I know that's not always plausible. So fair warning in advance that this thread could close without a lot of notice if things get too heated.

The "thousands of years ago this land was "ours" therefor it is ours and no-one's else for all eternity" argument is not a very compelling one, and that goes for both sides. I don't know where to draw a clear line or if it's even necessary, but it seems obvious that having a "right" to a place should be based on more than distant ancestry. For that reason I also support Israel's right to exist, since it would be wrong and somewhat arbitrary to throw people out who have been living there for generations.

I just don't for a second buy that this issue is usefully approachable within the reductive framework of one being the innocent victim and the other being the sole aggressor. That's why I can't vote that I blanket support one or the other. In general I support peoples' rights to not be pushed around for opaque legalistic reasons based on nationalist-mythological-racialist authenticity claims. Both have done a lot of pushing and being pushed based on just those sorts of claims.

Judeism is a religion. "The Jews" are not a race. "They" have no land. That is all.

what?!?

I do not know how to answer this reaction at all

I am a Jew, I do not believe in God.
That's all.
Judeism it is a race.

From my experience, the Palestine-Israel conflict is one where people's minds are set on one belief as to who is in the right or wrong and this belief doesn't change, regardless of how much you argue and try to convince them to change their minds.

MrPink from my understanding you live in Isreal so I'd assume you've seen the horrors of this conflict first hand. In the same vein I've met families in the UAE who have had to flee from Palestine who've lost loved ones to the conflict. I know for a fact you will always side with Israel and in the same way all the arabs I have know will always side with Palestine.

I refuse to take sides in this conflict and I'd personally just like to see the whole thing come to an end (wishful thinking I know).

Also, I noticed in another thread, you used a Glen Beck video to try to educate other MoFo users about the conflict, from my own experience viewing Glen Beck material, the guy is a clown and is arguably the least credible individual I have ever seen on TV.

Again, I'm not trying to argue with you and I don't want to turn this into some debate or an educational lesson about who's land it really is. I just wanted to say that I think this thread is going to go nowhere and will only lead to bickering and arguing.

Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish state.

The Palestinians have a right to have their own homeland if they agree to peacefully co-exist with their neighbor.

It is impossible for there to be a negotiated setllement with Hamas in the government.

I support the current United States position.

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Wake me up when the fireworks start. So far most of us are fence sitters taking middle of the road positions.

I am refeerring to the posts, not the poll voters.


I just clicked on that video that is supposed to be neutrel. As soon as I saw it was Dennis Prager I clicked it off. What a pompous ass and as neutrel as someone waving a Confederate flag in Harlem.

No, it is not a race because Jews no longer have a racial identity (if they ever had one). I am Jewish (born, not religious) and when I fill out a census form I mark Caucasian for race because there is no box for Jew. Jews have an identity beyond religion, maybe a national identity without an existing nation, or one that didn't exist for a couple thousand years, but it certainly isn't a race.

They were given land through a UN mandate so they have a right to be there, but Israel by occupying Palestinian land that wasn't part of the land they were given is sitting on a powder keg and they are on borrowed time if they can't negotiate a peace. It is probably impossible under current circumstances, but the current Isreali governmnet makes those negotiations more difficult.