Gen Z wants less sex in movies

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You also have to factor in what the percentages are...if 51% doesn't want to see sex you shouldn't just dis guard the 49% that do. At the end of the day we are talking about art and commerce. While some people might say they want this or that what is the response from the market. When Disney made that huge purge of content that people weren't watching it was fairly noticeable the type of stuff that got purged.

If 90% of content appeals to 50% of the audience while 10% appeals to 40% which side to going to be more successful?

And this is all based not on results but market research that seemed to cover a wide variety of topics with pieces of data getting cherry picked.
That's the problem with studies like this---no demographic is truly monolithic, obviously. Not to mention that the market will find and audience for pretty much anything if it looks hard enough!



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It does, but I'd say the demand for that is pretty small now.
Yeah, but why?

Even bad erotica is fun.




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Look, I'm not judging you - after all, I'm posting here myself, but maybe, just maybe, if you spent less time here and more time watching films, maybe, and I stress, maybe your taste would be of some value. Just a thought, ya know.



On a related note I recall a poster on RT once commented that porn itself had lost an essential feature in the age of the internet, shame. That is, decades ago a consumer would have to go to the register and ask for "that" magazine or rent "that" VHS. The idea being that this was a self-regulatory feature (keeping maintenance levels from getting out of hand), but also part of the rush (the overall aesthetic experience). More intense and less frequent consumption by the public, but with many bemused, amused, and disturbed clerks.
This is a really interesting point that I had not thought of before, but it makes a lot of sense. I imagine that the lack of shame mixed with easy access to all sorts of things has and will produce very (and varied) problematic outcomes for people.



Yeah, but why?

Even bad erotica is fun.




Il gatto mammone [1975] by Nando Cicero
I wonder if the oversaturation of fully transparent porn is the reason, as I would think that much erotica depends, to a large extent, on the imagination and what is left unseen? i.e. if we all know what is behind the curtain, does the wizard hold any power?



I'm more than happy if younger generations want less focus on sex in films, because I generally find the sex-centricness of the entire world pretty boring and depressing. And I'm certainly happy if this means studio heads are less likely to meddle with films by putting sex in them against the directors wishes, for no other reason than to get more asses in seats. Because **** studio executives.


But regardless of all that, I'm pretty against the notion that a director needs to somehow 'earn' using a sex scene, or it is otherwise exploitative or pointless. For anyone who believes art is an extension of the artist, and that whatever their guiding principles and obsessions are should somehow make it into the things they create, an artist who considers sexuality one of the elemental things in their existence should stuff as much of it into their films as they choose. Just because it may not always add specifically to character development or move a plot point along, doesn't mean it shouldn't have been put there. To some artists it would be a lie not to saturate their films with elements of sex. For many, an abundance of sex isn't exploitative but a reflection of their world view, what they think is important, what they feel needs documentation.


And this isn't even getting into how many of the issues people have with sex in films is tied to some puritanical moral bullshit, which is very much one of the reasons some sexually charged artists feel they need to over do it. Maybe sex wouldn't seem so important to so many people, if some could just chill the **** out over it.


Personally though, if I never saw another sexually explicit scene ever again, I doubt I would hardly miss it. Maybe this new generation isn't so bad after all.



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I think the new generation has simultaneously lost all interest in sex but also is the most oversexed of all generations and I have no idea how's that possible.



I think the new generation has simultaneously lost all interest in sex but also is the most oversexed of all generations and I have no idea how's that possible.
A fish in water sort of thing, I guess.



I think the new generation has simultaneously lost all interest in sex but also is the most oversexed of all generations and I have no idea how's that possible.

Like eunuchs, they're not getting any action, but they've witnessed everything imaginable in their time in the harem.



That's the problem with studies like this
How is this a problem with the study? It is presented in a way that is super easy to read, they clearly mark places where there were statistically significant differences between groups, they show you the percentages, they provide a glossary of terms to understand how the young people were presented with the questions, and in many cases they include the actual wording of the question so that you can understand some of why the people might have responded this way.

The problem isn't with the study, the problem is with people trying to flatten the results into more-easily digestible pieces and not actually looking at what the results say.

For example, when given the statement "I want to see more content that focuses on friendships/platonic relationships", basically 50% agreed, 35% were neutral, and 15% disagreed. The study's headlines reflect what they found for majorities or near-majorities, but it doesn't in any way imply that this group is a monolith, and they explicitly say this in both the introduction and conclusion.

I find the pearl-clutching in this thread really silly.

STUDY: Hey, would you like to see more platonic/friendship based stories?
KIDS: Um, yeah, about half of us would and a third of us wouldn't mind it.
ADULTS: OMGGGG!!!!! THEY WANT TO TAKE AWAY ALL THE SEX!!! THIS CRAZY GENERATION IS GOING TO STRIP EVERY EROTIC BONE OUT OF CINEMA AS WE KNOW IT!!!



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Gen Z:
I want to see more content that focuses on friendships
Also Gen Z: Friends with benefits is a thing!

You just can't win with 'em, old man.



Gen Z: Wants to see more films about friendships.

Also Gen Z: Friends with benefits is a thing!

You just can't win with 'em, old man.
How are these contradictory?



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Friends with benefits was a thing way before gen z.
It had a different name and context, though, didn't it? Used to be a shallow form of a relationship without a special name for it, I guess.
How are these contradictory?
The point is if you ask somebody if they want to see more content with friendships, they might include friends with benefits in there, so that would mean they still want to see content with sex.
Yeah, are we shaming people who enjoy just having sex without the attachments?
Yes. Problem?



Yeah, are we shaming people who enjoy just having sex without the attachments?
Are we shaming people who shame people who enjoy having sex without attachments?



The trick is not minding
Other than a standard holier than thou attitude? It’s a typical hostile response towards anyone engaging in sex, as if anyone who dares enjoy it for reasons that don’t fit with the individuals own sense of views, without considering that each and every person views it differently.

It the response that incels are made of.



The trick is not minding
Are we shaming people who shame people who enjoy having sex without attachments?
That’s not what this is. Like, at all.
If people don’t want to have sex, that’s fine with me. It is when they become judgmental towards others who don’t share their view that crosses a line.



Sorry if I'm rude but I'm right
Other than a standard holier than thou attitude? It’s a typical hostile response towards anyone engaging in sex, as if anyone who dares enjoy it for reasons that don’t fit with the individuals own sense of views, without considering that each and every person views it differently.
Well, I keep wondering why your reaction is so harsh. I merely called this sort of arrangement shallow.

You're friends with somebody AND you have sex. So the only thing missing is love, hence the shallow (=loveless=involvementless=expectationless=commitmentless) form of a relationship. And AFAIK even the people who practice this sort of thing admit it's shallow. Not only that, but that's what they like about it! This is because it (seemingly) exempts them from any sort of responsibility and commitment. Most of the time this ends up with one of them developing some feelings for the other anyway, and then they usually break up any sort of friendship, too, out of embarrassment, which only shows how unnatural the whole idea of friends with benefits is.

Nowadays, people increasingly focus on freedom, including the freedom of relationships, but I think that one of the points of relationships is that they are inherently restraining. And that's the good thing about them! When you're in a loving relationship with somebody, you say something like "I know that I could be free instead, but I'm willingly giving up this freedom for you because I think you're worth it". And I think there's more value to it than to say "You know, we can have sex and be friends, but I'm not willing to give up anything for you because I value my freedom and I don't want to commit because, you know, that would require emotional involvement".

I think this is part of a bigger issue of separating sex from love, too, which might be why Gen Z wants less sex in movies. Back in the day, sex in movies meant a sort of forbidden fruit, engaging in a fantasy of crossing the social norms. It was the very basic role of art to use it as a means of experiencing something you'd be too afraid/ashamed/unwilling to experience in real life. But nowadays Gen Z holds no brakes anymore, and so they no longer need to dream. They only need to satisfy their urges, one way or another. And that this was also the case way before Gen Z might very well be true. But it's also true that there's a weird divide in Gen Z, with a part of them being more liberated than anybody before them, and another part being absolutely sexless, asexual, barren. It was way more Gaussian back in the day, I believe, but now the weird extremes are much more pronounced.

It the response that incels are made of.
It's funny you mention incels (indirectly calling me one, I believe), as incels are an interesting modern phenomenon. First, culture makes young men believe that the lack of sexual experience undermines their value. Second, that same culture vilifies them for suffering because of that.



The trick is not minding
Well, I keep wondering why your reaction is so harsh. I merely called this sort of arrangement shallow.

You're friends with somebody AND you have sex. So the only thing missing is love, hence the shallow (=loveless=involvementless=expectationless=commitmentless) form of a relationship. And AFAIK even the people who practice this sort of thing admit it's shallow. Not only that, but that's what they like about it! This is because it (seemingly) exempts them from any sort of responsibility and commitment. Most of the time this ends up with one of them developing some feelings for the other anyway, and then they usually break up any sort of friendship, too, out of embarrassment, which only shows how unnatural the whole idea of friends with benefits is.

Nowadays, people increasingly focus on freedom, including the freedom of relationships, but I think that one of the points of relationships is that they are inherently restraining. And that's the good thing about them! When you're in a loving relationship with somebody, you say something like "I know that I could be free instead, but I'm willingly giving up this freedom for you because I think you're worth it". And I think there's more value to it than to say "You know, we can have sex and be friends, but I'm not willing to give up anything for you because I value my freedom and I don't want to commit because, you know, that would require emotional involvement".

I think this is part of a bigger issue of separating sex from love, too, which might be why Gen Z wants less sex in movies. Back in the day, sex in movies meant a sort of forbidden fruit, engaging in a fantasy of crossing the social norms. It was the very basic role of art to use it as a means of experiencing something you'd be too afraid/ashamed/unwilling to experience in real life. But nowadays Gen Z holds no brakes anymore, and so they no longer need to dream. They only need to satisfy their urges, one way or another. And that this was also the case way before Gen Z might very well be true. But it's also true that there's a weird divide in Gen Z, with a part of them being more liberated than anybody before them, and another part being absolutely sexless, asexual, barren. It was way more Gaussian back in the day, I believe, but now the weird extremes are much more pronounced.

It's funny you mention incels (indirectly calling me one, I believe), as incels are an interesting modern phenomenon. First, culture makes young men believe that the lack of sexual experience undermines their value. Second, that same culture vilifies them for suffering because of that.
Yes, it is inherently shallow. Who cares tho? Both sides engage it willingly and that’s on them. This wasn’t your line. It was very much a criticism against the culture, which is usually what one rants about when it is t something they can appreciate.

I don’t think you’re an incel, but more of a vocel (voluntarily celibate) but with the angst of an incel at times, which is why I was careful to say it is the “response that incels are made of”, trying to not outright call you one.
It’s fine if you’re a Vocel, (and you don’t need to confirm for privacy reasons) but that’s your decision, and responses like that come off as bitter for everyone who didn’t follow the same decision.

Your last line is spot on, but he reverse of that is also true of those who abstain



It's funny you mention incels (indirectly calling me one, I believe), as incels are an interesting modern phenomenon. First, culture makes young men believe that the lack of sexual experience undermines their value. Second, that same culture vilifies them for suffering because of that.
Also, the modern world vilifies men (well, at least white heterosexual men) for pursuing sex. With #metoo and ever-broadening definitions of rape (at times, it seems that a woman feeling ashamed the next morning counts as rape these days), it's no wonder that some boys and men just give up.

So, it's the literal damned if you do, damned if you don't type of situation.
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