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After first seeing trailers for Crawl and thinking it looked good, then reading reviews that said it wasn't that good, then hearing word-of-mouth that it WAS pretty good . . . I think I maybe went in with expectations that were a bit too high.

I thought it was fine (sort of C+ territory), but I was hoping for more of a B+.
It helps to judge it against other killer alligator/crocodile films.



It helps to judge it against other killer alligator/crocodile films.
Considering I've seen very few of those, but one that I have seen is one of my favorite horror movies (Black Water), the bar I have for killer croc films is surprisingly high.



Considering I've seen very few of those, but one that I have seen is one of my favorite horror movies (Black Water), the bar I have for killer croc films is surprisingly high.
Black Water, Lake Placid and Crawl are my favorites. Pop on the Great Alligator by Sergio Martino for some needed context. One of the great giallo directors making a gator flick! What could go wrong?



It's Alive is so dull. The promising first act doesn't fix the sluggish second one, and the third act's notfl fairing well.



Richard Corben, one of the most accomplished horror and fantasy comic book artists of the 20th Century, passed away on December 2 at the age of 80, following heart surgery. The news was announced by his wife, Dona.

Best known for his work on the sci-fi/fantasy comic book magazine Heavy Metal, Corben's many accolades during his long career in comics is being inducted into the Will Eisner Hall of Fame in 2012 and recently becoming one of the very few American comic book creators to win the prestigious Grand Prix de la ville d'Angoulême, awarded by the Angoulême International Comics Festival.


 
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Richard Corben, one of the most accomplished horror and fantasy comic book artists of the 20th Century, passed away on December 2 at the age of 80, following heart surgery. The news was announced by his wife, Dona.

Best known for his work on the sci-fi/fantasy comic book magazine Heavy Metal, Corben's many accolades during his long career in comics is being inducted into the Will Eisner Hall of Fame in 2012 and recently becoming one of the very few American comic book creators to win the prestigious Grand Prix de la ville d'Angoulême, awarded by the Angoulême International Comics Festival.





Wow. Nice.
I knew about him because of Bat Out Of Hell. What a great body of work.
I'm a huge Frank Frazetta fan, I might start following Corben too.



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Never heard of the guy before but that is some gorgeous artwork.
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I like Corben's use of color. Very garish, I guess, but I'm into it. Sort of like an amplified Argento thing.
Del Toro claims he was a big influence on Pacific Rim's production design and I can definitely see it.



The Evil Dead (Raimi, 1981)



In Within the Woods, a crude, microbudgeted horror short film about bad things happening at a cabin in the woods that Sam Raimi, Bruce Campbell and company used to raise funds, a clear sense of of style can be seen in the marginal production values. It’s cheap but not amateurish, proving that money (or a lack thereof) doesn’t equate to talent. The Evil Dead is what happens when you take the same premise, the same hunger to impress, and add a little more filmmaking experience and just enough money to achieve the bare minimum of a professional-looking feature. The result is one of the best horror films ever made.

Every scare carries with it a palpable physicality. The camera locks on to any strain of motion it can find, sometimes aligned to our heroes, sometimes to the antagonizing supernatural foes, sometimes independent of either but always making sure you “feel” the scare as much as you see it. It zips along as a character fastens a trapdoor with a chain. It hurtles through the halls and doorways of a cabin as a character races to secure the entrances. The most famous shots in the movie are of a disembodied force roving menacingly through the wilderness, achieved with a makeshift camera rig carried by sprinting crew members or mounted on a motorcycle. Lack of money for Steadicam didn’t stop them from making a gritty approximation of the technique. That analog quality is imbued into the plot, where the bad things that happen are set off by demonic incantations dictated onto an audiotape.

The earliest act of violence in the film is the sexual assault of a female character by malevolent flora. I’m not sure how defensible the scene is and Raimi has expressed his regrets about it in interviews, but at the same time, it is energetically staged and genuinely upsetting. The Evil Dead is a movie where no one is safe, and having this scene early in the film goes a long way in making that fear credible. The film heaps on gore that varies widely in scale yet always ingeniously devised, which keeps us on edge. For how over the top the splatter gets, the one act of violence that had me cringing the hardest was when a character gets stabbed in the ankle.

I’ve alternately heard this movie described as a full-on horror comedy in the vein of the broader sequels and as a gorefest played completely straight. The truth is somewhere in between. The horror here is real and not just a punchline. The movie is trying to scare and shock (nothing as upsetting as the rape scene is in the sequels). Yet Raimi affords his movie small gags sporadically (a cut to a reddish liquid in a blender, a character messes up a toast), and as the proceedings escalate, a clear sense of comedic timing comes into focus. Bruce Campbell, while magnetic, had yet to fully develop the swagger of the Bruce Campbell persona, yet his acting jives with the humourous sensibilities of the film around him. (In interviews, he’s referred to any humour in the film as an unintended result of his bad acting, but I think that’s just self-effacing modesty.) We know now that Campbell is the hero of the film, but the characters are drawn out initially with no clear stars. If anything, the movie skewers expectations of an alpha male hero or a final girl, as none of the characters proves all that effectual in repelling the threat.


And I think that gets to the heart of why The Evil Dead is as effective as it is. It’s not just Campbell or one of the others going through this horrific experience, it’s us, the viewer, as well. There’s a first-person, experiential quality in how all this unfolds, the assaultiveness of Raimi’s style never letting us get a distance from the proceedings. And through all this, the movie proves constantly unpredictable, piling on horrifying incident after horrifying incident in a way that avoids settling into too obvious an arc but nevertheless surprising, even shocking the audience. It’s one of the rare movies that succeeds in managing to keep topping itself with every scene, and also carries with that a genuine sense of transgression. This is a movie where anything can happen.





The Hills Have Eyes (Craven, 1977)




This review contains spoilers.


Wes Craven’s first film, The Last House on the Left, explores what happens when decent people come face to face with real evil, and sets up a campy, innocent surface only to shatter it with unspeakable violence. I’m not a fan (its ambitions are undermined by its technical sloppiness), but there’s no denying that its strongest sequences have a palpable gut level impact. Craven’s stated intention was to reflect the way the violence of the Vietnam War and contemporaneous societal unrest had entered the living rooms of the average American family, and as clumsy as his movie may be in its overall construction, I think it achieves this aim.


A few years later, The Texas Chain Saw Massacre again brought average, almost aggressively banal characters face to face with a kind of savagery heretofore unseen on screen. This time the villains have a more clearly defined family structure (in contrast to the loose association of no-goodniks in Last House), one which suggests parody, but the comedic dimensions of their characterizations might be hard to see thanks to how assaultive the surrounding film is. I think Tobe Hooper’s film is quite a bit better than Craven’s, but both are very much part of the same strain of horror (which arguably started or at least went back to George Romero’s Night of the Living Dead), one which does away with any sense of safety or heroics that might offer comfort to the viewer, and in which society itself seems to be under attack.


The Hills Have Eyes was Craven’s return to the horror genre after a few years of unsuccessfully trying to get non-horror projects off the ground and directing a porno (The Fireworks Woman) under the pseudonym Abe Snake. In many ways it’s a continuation of the themes of those earlier movies and, I would argue, it pushes them further. The heroes here once again find themselves face to face with a kind of horror they’ve never experienced before, one which doesn’t play by their rules. This time the action is set not in the backwoods but in the middle of the desert, the harshness of the environment captured effectively by the rough, dust-caked visuals, individual frames looking like they’ve been left out in the sun far too long. Yet how Craven expands this premise is kind of daring. He mirrors the heroes and villains. And he sets up the heroes to be more than a little unlikable.

Both the heroes and the villains are defined as families, each ruled by their respective patriarchs. The father of the villains was an overgrown, feral child cast off into the wilderness by an abusive father who kidnapped a local prostitute and started a family in the middle of a desert. They’re mean and capable of great cruelty, but at the same time survival is clearly their motivation. Craven invites us to see them how mainstream, polite society viewed the counterculture or how Americans viewed the Viet Cong in the decade prior, which calls our vantage point into question. The father of the heroes is a retired cop who seemingly holds nothing but contempt for the people he was supposed to be policing, using racial slurs and other insults to speak of the life he’s left behind. The rest of his family doesn’t come across much better. The kindly mother makes appeals to their Christianity yet bemusedly remembers the time a neighbour’s dog was killed by one of their own. And frankly, the rest of the characters are pretty annoying. How much should we really be rooting for them?

Of course, once the cannibal family begins their attack, our sympathies line up pretty quickly with the aggrieved party, but even then Craven avoids settling matters too cleanly. The villains are shown to be sadistic, but also intelligent, using psychological warfare in burning alive the father and strategic-minded in using that as a ploy to break into the RV. The film alternates between the perspectives of the heroes and villains, as if to confront us with who we identify with and why (most pointedly in one scene where Papa Jupiter, the cannibal patriarch, speaks directly to the camera). The heroes make stupid mistakes early on, but eventually learn that they can only triumph by matching the savagery of their opponents. Presaging Scream, the characters show some awareness of tropes, particularly Bobby, the clean-cut aviators-donning son who pretends to be tough early on but soon has to step into the alpha male role he was previously play-acting. (That character is played by Robert Houston, the man responsible for combining the first two Lone Wolf and Cub movies and releasing them in the US as Shogun Assassin.) The patriarch of the cannibals is defeated with the symbolically loaded act of the son and daughter using their mother’s corpse as bait and turning their RV into a boobytrap, while another character brutally kills the cannibal who had kidnapped his infant daughter. The closing shot has this character staring at the audience, blinded with rage, the background turning red in a freeze frame. It’s an unpolished image, but one that hits straight in the gut. Yes, our heroes have triumphed, but at what cost?

Alexandre Aja would remake this film a few decades later, drastically upping the gore quotient. As far as remakes go, it’s one of the better ones around as it has an actual sense of texture (greatly enhanced by shooting on location in the Moroccan desert) and a pretty good lead performance, but in aligning our perspective too closely to the protagonist, it loses the original’s most fascinating quality. Aja views the material too neatly a story of good versus bad, while Craven has us questioning which is which and uneasily blends the two. Craven would also revisit the material in The Hills Have Eyes Part II, which he would later disown as a purely mercenary gig, but in my humble opinion, I don’t think it’s all that bad. It lacks the original’s sense of transgression and settles more easily into a slasher movie template, including some of the dumber associated elements (there’s a shower scene in the middle of the desert). But does have a handful of interesting elements (carried over trauma from the original, possible psychic powers) and shares the same dirty, sunburnt visual style. I was never convinced that dirtbikes were nearly as cool as the film insisted (there’s a lot more dirtbike footage than necessary), but by the standards of the average slasher, I found it reasonably enjoyable.






THE NESTING 1981

This is one of those "I'll recommend it to the 'Crammers but not to normal people" films.
Never heard of it until now, is this something that you've all seen?

An agoraphobic author discovers a remote house that she's described in her novels, despite not knowing that it actually existed. (I hope that sentence makes sense). So she rents the place to get away from people only to find that it may or may not be haunted. I won't say more because the "reveals" are not exactly unpredictable so I'll let you go in as blind as possible.

So anyway, this was decidedly "not bad". John Carradine makes brief appearances as "Gruff Old Guy" (go figure), but the real surprise was seeing a still-youthful-looking Gloria Grahame. Didn't realize she was still acting at the time. The rest of the cast was not familiar to me, and some performances were better than others. The director's only other credits are porn films, so this was surprisingly competent, considering. The few gore effects were up to 1981 standards I'd say. There's a couple of neat camera tricks when she's having her agoraphobia episodes. And Amazon's print is pretty impressive, which is a sentence I don't utter often.




I hate to get this thread's spirits down, especially not near the end of what's been such a terrible year, but since this is the closest thing to an RT-exclusive thread we have on this forum at the moment, and since I know some of you here may know/remember him, I feel I have to inform you that the fellow forumer we knew as Mysterious F was recently found TRIGGER WARNING
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murdered in Pennsylvania: https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/12/20/dylan-lesnik-coal-center-homicide-stabbing



Didn't know him well beyond recognizing the handle but that's absolutely terrible.



I hate to get this thread's spirits down, especially not near the end of what's been such a terrible year, but since this is the closest thing to an RT-exclusive thread we have on this forum at the moment, and since I know some of you here may know/remember him, I feel I have to inform you that the fellow forumer we knew as Mysterious F was recently found TRIGGER WARNING
WARNING: spoilers below
Oh my god, that's horrible!

Was he the poster with like a male figure/cowboy avatar?



Oh my god, that's horrible!

Was he the poster with like a male figure/cowboy avatar?
You mean the one of Sam Elliott in The Big Lebowski? I remember someone having that AV, but I don't think it was him; F had a number of different avatars, but I think the last one he wore there was that of a group shot of Jim Henson surrounded by a bunch of Muppets (although he did wear the original poster for Cabaret for a long time). He had stopped posting on RT a while before it went down, and I had alienated him personally a while back, but I always held out hope that we would eventually end up reconciling and become friends again, but that's never, ever going to happen now... f uck.



You mean the one of Sam Elliott in The Big Lebowski? I remember someone having that AV, but I don't think it was him; F had a number of different avatars, but I think the last one he wore there was that of a group shot of Jim Henson surrounded by a bunch of Muppets (although he did wear the original poster for Cabaret for a long time). He had stopped posting on RT a while before it went down, and I had alienated him personally a while back, but I always held out hope that we would eventually end up reconciling and become friends again, but that's never, ever going to happen now... f uck.
Okay--I was thinking of a different person. The avatar was like a cowboy leaning in a doorframe?

Still, how awful.



I hate to get this thread's spirits down, especially not near the end of what's been such a terrible year, but since this is the closest thing to an RT-exclusive thread we have on this forum at the moment, and since I know some of you here may know/remember him, I feel I have to inform you that the fellow forumer we knew as Mysterious F was recently found TRIGGER WARNING
WARNING: spoilers below
I don't remember him sadly, but that's horrible to hear.
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Sadly, I don't remember having much interaction with him, but that's horrible.
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I just realized he's been a mainstay in the "people you may know" on Facebook for the last couple years. Jesus.