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Originally posted by Caitlyn
And Saddam Hussein is sitting back laughing his ass off at all of them plotting his next manipulative move…
And Saddam Hussein is sitting back laughing his ass off at all of them plotting his next manipulative move…
Vive la résistance!
Originally posted by Beale the Rippe
Maybe you've been asleep during all of this Django, but the reason the French is opposing us and our war is becuase they have huge money tied up in Saddams oil. They are afraid that if we kick Saddam out, they will loose money. I can't really blame them, becuase, although what they are doing is morally wrong, their economy demands it. I remember stating this earlier, but heres it goes again. Everyone always accuses this war of being over the oil. Well maybe it is, I don't know, I'm not Bush. But whatever were doing for gain, France is doing 10 times that. The "French Resistance" as you put it is their to cover their own corruption, not stand against the right. But enough of that.
Maybe you've been asleep during all of this Django, but the reason the French is opposing us and our war is becuase they have huge money tied up in Saddams oil. They are afraid that if we kick Saddam out, they will loose money. I can't really blame them, becuase, although what they are doing is morally wrong, their economy demands it. I remember stating this earlier, but heres it goes again. Everyone always accuses this war of being over the oil. Well maybe it is, I don't know, I'm not Bush. But whatever were doing for gain, France is doing 10 times that. The "French Resistance" as you put it is their to cover their own corruption, not stand against the right. But enough of that.
To accuse the French, blandly, of corruption with the same breath that you use to defend Bush is so ludicrous that it defies comprehension!
Originally posted by Beale the Rippe
You aren't comparing conservatives to Nazis are you?
You aren't comparing conservatives to Nazis are you?
Originally posted by Beale the Rippe
Another thing is that durnig WWII the French had a little system of appeasment. They appeased Hitler as opposed to attempt to stop him. They didn't see him as much of a threat. Mistake. They invaded France anyway, and THEN there was a French resistance. Frances incompetant system of appeasment caused the deaths of many people, including millions of Jews that they paved the way for to be slaughtered. (Not to say that France intended this, but had they tryed to stop them...the results might've been different).
Another thing is that durnig WWII the French had a little system of appeasment. They appeased Hitler as opposed to attempt to stop him. They didn't see him as much of a threat. Mistake. They invaded France anyway, and THEN there was a French resistance. Frances incompetant system of appeasment caused the deaths of many people, including millions of Jews that they paved the way for to be slaughtered. (Not to say that France intended this, but had they tryed to stop them...the results might've been different).
Originally posted by Beale the Rippe
I don't mind your liberal posts Django, but at least get your facts straight. There are several valid things you could complain about or compliment instead of this "French Resistance" crap.
I don't mind your liberal posts Django, but at least get your facts straight. There are several valid things you could complain about or compliment instead of this "French Resistance" crap.
Originally posted by Django
Yeah, everybody's doing this for the oil! The French govt. is doing it to protect their oil interests and Bush is doing it to protect his oil interests. The difference is that Bush is willing to go to war and massacre thousands of people, not to mention cripple the US economy, to protect his oil interests. The French, at least, are voicing opposition to Bush's militancy and are expressing the voice of good conscience as a result.
To accuse the French, blandly, of corruption with the same breath that you use to defend Bush is so ludicrous that it defies comprehension!
Yes, frankly, I am! The Nazis were militant right-wing bastards--so's Bush and his gang.
If anyone had a "little system of appeasement", it was the British. What you say applies to the British, not the French. The British tried to appease Hitler--in fact Edward IV of England, after abdicating his throne, even cut a deal with Hitler to restore him to the throne. But what ensued was the Battle of Britain, in which the British learned, to their regret, that Hitler was a con-man extraordinaire. The French were certainly not appeasing the Germans, as far as I know. They had been on opposite sides of the fence in WWI and were rival colonial powers in Africa. However, Hitler ended up occupying France and that's what led to the "French Resistance".
No, Beale, YOU get YOUR facts straight! I respect your insights, but you really need to consider the facts before making your comments!
Yeah, everybody's doing this for the oil! The French govt. is doing it to protect their oil interests and Bush is doing it to protect his oil interests. The difference is that Bush is willing to go to war and massacre thousands of people, not to mention cripple the US economy, to protect his oil interests. The French, at least, are voicing opposition to Bush's militancy and are expressing the voice of good conscience as a result.
To accuse the French, blandly, of corruption with the same breath that you use to defend Bush is so ludicrous that it defies comprehension!
Yes, frankly, I am! The Nazis were militant right-wing bastards--so's Bush and his gang.
If anyone had a "little system of appeasement", it was the British. What you say applies to the British, not the French. The British tried to appease Hitler--in fact Edward IV of England, after abdicating his throne, even cut a deal with Hitler to restore him to the throne. But what ensued was the Battle of Britain, in which the British learned, to their regret, that Hitler was a con-man extraordinaire. The French were certainly not appeasing the Germans, as far as I know. They had been on opposite sides of the fence in WWI and were rival colonial powers in Africa. However, Hitler ended up occupying France and that's what led to the "French Resistance".
No, Beale, YOU get YOUR facts straight! I respect your insights, but you really need to consider the facts before making your comments!
I completely retract my statement that Bush may be doing this for the oil. I dont know what I was thinking. I know 100% that this isn't becuase of oil on our side. Do you know why Django? Do you know how much oil we get from Saddam? What would we gain? Answer this one quickly please. I'll comment when you've either given me a correct answer or proven how uninformed you are.
To compare the right wing to nazis (I won't dignify that group with a capital letter) shows a complete lack of sophistication with regard to politics. That's a label that liberals slap on people almost as often as they raise the spectre of racism. When all else fails in an argument, call someone a nazi or a racist and sit back in your smugness. This is really pretty funny. I always try to respect the other side's opinion. I have never compared liberals to nazis or other dispicable groups. The Bush administration has never started a holocaust, and to say that they could would be insanity. Not cool Django
War has a history of being beneficial to the economy Django. Take the Great Depression for example.
On the French issue, I think you should get past the WWII issues and get a bit better informed about the current situation. Appeasement was not the best word to use. It should have been slithering. Are you aware of how much the French are supplying the Iraqis with regard to rocket technology?
The French, in particular, as arrogant and smelly as they are (I've been there on multiple occasions) are protracting this situation by not adding to a unified front. How can you not understand that if that a-hole saddam (again, no capital) saw the entire world was united, would be far more compliant. With weasels like the French, Germans, etc., he sees a lot more wiggle room. That's common sense. We'll kick his ass and when it's over the French will have no part in the reconstruction of the country and will lose due to their arrogance (and aroma) once more. The French have a history of taking the path of least resistance. The French has a long history of not winning a war. They also have a long, long history of having to be bailed out of things.
You're right about British appeasement, I remember Neville Chamberlain waving his paper proclaiming peace. And the US went and bailed his naive ass out of the fire also. I can only take solace in knowing that the French won't profit from their folly this time around. They'll lose all of that invested blood money in Iraq and be exposed for the smelly liars they are.
If it were not for the US, the Canadians would be speaking French, the French would be speaking German, The Germans would be speaking Russian, the Russians would be speaking Chinese, the Chinese would be speaking Japanese and the Japanese wouldn't be trying to be just like us.
Bottom line Django, if you compare the current President to a Nazi, you lack creativity and that bores me. You are as common as all those other whiney-ass liberals who ignore the facts and use tired old platitudes to bolster your hollow arguments.
Please read the NY Times article this week by William Safire and get some more of the documented facts (Yes Facts!!. I know you liberals don't like to use them) about the French involvement in Iraq and why they don't want us to get in there.
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Originally posted by Django
Caitlyn, baby
Caitlyn, baby
you give Saddam Hussein way too much credit! I seriously doubt that he's capable of the sort of manipulation you attribute to him. If anyone is doing the manipulating, it's Bush and his cronies. [/b]
Originally posted by Django
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Yeah, everybody's doing this for the oil! The French govt. is doing it to protect their oil interests and Bush is doing it to protect his oil interests. The difference is that Bush is willing to go to war and massacre thousands of people, not to mention cripple the US economy, to protect his oil interests. The French, at least, are voicing opposition to Bush's militancy and are expressing the voice of good conscience as a result.
To accuse the French, blandly, of corruption with the same breath that you use to defend Bush is so ludicrous that it defies comprehension!
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Yeah, everybody's doing this for the oil! The French govt. is doing it to protect their oil interests and Bush is doing it to protect his oil interests. The difference is that Bush is willing to go to war and massacre thousands of people, not to mention cripple the US economy, to protect his oil interests. The French, at least, are voicing opposition to Bush's militancy and are expressing the voice of good conscience as a result.
To accuse the French, blandly, of corruption with the same breath that you use to defend Bush is so ludicrous that it defies comprehension!
are you out of your mind? what your suggesting is so completely idiotic, its almost too hard to comprehend, your saying that this war will be about Oil? thats it, has it entered your mind for even one second there might be another reason like, I dont know...FEAR???, Bush may possibly fear Suddam is creating weapons and if not, be a threat in using them against the united states? is it possible this war might just be for the people of the united states in protecting them against a possible future nuclear attack? or is it just about some freakin black water? I think not, maybe its part of the situation but to say that it is the main reason or the only reason, is just stupid. Whats more the french have their own reasons as well, any of it Moral? I seriously doubt it, nothing moral about being willing to kill your own bothers, the French have their reasons and I doubt its because they are just being good friends to the world. Youve got issues, have a nice dayoh and nothing in my above post is personal
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Originally posted by Django
Caitlyn, baby, you give Saddam Hussein way too much credit! I seriously doubt that he's capable of the sort of manipulation you attribute to him. If anyone is doing the manipulating, it's Bush and his cronies.
Caitlyn, baby, you give Saddam Hussein way too much credit! I seriously doubt that he's capable of the sort of manipulation you attribute to him. If anyone is doing the manipulating, it's Bush and his cronies.
Yes, frankly, I am! The Nazis were militant right-wing bastards--so's Bush and his gang.
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Originally posted by Naisy
I was going to stay well away from this debate until take little line, back of Django she is way out of your touch. She is a fantastic person who deserves your respect, not to be called baby, as if she was your object, get over yourself, your not that good.
I was going to stay well away from this debate until take little line, back of Django she is way out of your touch. She is a fantastic person who deserves your respect, not to be called baby, as if she was your object, get over yourself, your not that good.
Thank you... Sir Naisy...
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Originally posted by Beale the Rippe
You're right about British appeasement, I remember Neville Chamberlain waving his paper proclaiming peace. And the US went and bailed his naive ass out of the fire also.
You're right about British appeasement, I remember Neville Chamberlain waving his paper proclaiming peace. And the US went and bailed his naive ass out of the fire also.
The appeasement came before any military action was committed by Germany and was done to try to avoid the atrocities that were seen during the first war, still fresh in the memories of many Europeans. There were also only two days between Germany invading Poland, an ultimatum being delivered and declaration of war.
And as for your comment about
If it were not for the US, the Canadians would be speaking French, the French would be speaking German etc.
Its the American revisionist history in effect again. Good example. Recent Hollywood film about the Enigma device. U-571. American forces capturing the device? I don't think so. I do believe the British were responsible for that one. My problem with this is that many people who see that film will believe that thats how it happened and consider the film as reference material.
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She is a fantastic person who deserves your respect, not to be called baby, as if she was your object, get over yourself, your not that good.
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Originally posted by Caitlyn
Django…I am not a baby and definably not your baby… nor do I appreciate being referred to as such…As far as I am concerned you have exhibited a rather naïve view of Saddam Hussein and his agenda and I can’t help but wonder what your attitude would be if Bush were taking steps against Pakistan instead of Iraq…
Django…I am not a baby and definably not your baby… nor do I appreciate being referred to as such…As far as I am concerned you have exhibited a rather naïve view of Saddam Hussein and his agenda and I can’t help but wonder what your attitude would be if Bush were taking steps against Pakistan instead of Iraq…
Come on, Caitlyn! Can't you take a joke? 
Regarding Saddam, I don't think I'm being naive at all. I just think the situation has been blown way out of proportion by the Bush White House and that Saddam Hussein is nothing close to the threat that he has been made out to be.
Originally posted by Caitlyn
I think you owe every American on this board an apology for that statement…
I think you owe every American on this board an apology for that statement…
Originally posted by Naisy
I was going to stay well away from this debate until take little line, back of Django she is way out of your touch. She is a fantastic person who deserves your respect, not to be called baby, as if she was your object, get over yourself, your not that good.
I was going to stay well away from this debate until take little line, back of Django she is way out of your touch. She is a fantastic person who deserves your respect, not to be called baby, as if she was your object, get over yourself, your not that good.
Originally posted by Django
You're kidding, right?
You're kidding, right?
Oh and Django. The U.S. gets only 6% of its oil from Iraq. Anyone that says this is a war about oil is uninformed. If we were to go to war for oil, we'd fight against Canada, Venezuela, or Mexico, our biggest recources for oil, or Saudi Arabia, who we get larger amounts of oil than the almost non-existant 6% we get from Iraq. Thank you for not posting back on this. It proves my point that you have no clue about what your talking about.
Originally posted by Beale the Rippe
I think an apology necessary. Do you have any idea of the atrocities that the Nazis commited? To compare the two shows a complete lack of knowlege and intelligence. That statement was anti-american, no matter what your political beliefs are. You don't compare the current president, or any president to a Nazi. If you said this to try to get your point across without really thinking about the comment, thats forgivable. If these are your true feelings, then you aren't worth talking to. End of discussion.
I think an apology necessary. Do you have any idea of the atrocities that the Nazis commited? To compare the two shows a complete lack of knowlege and intelligence. That statement was anti-american, no matter what your political beliefs are. You don't compare the current president, or any president to a Nazi. If you said this to try to get your point across without really thinking about the comment, thats forgivable. If these are your true feelings, then you aren't worth talking to. End of discussion.
Originally posted by Beale the Rippe
Oh and Django. The U.S. gets only 6% of its oil from Iraq. Anyone that says this is a war about oil is uninformed. If we were to go to war for oil, we'd fight against Canada, Venezuela, or Mexico, our biggest recources for oil, or Saudi Arabia, who we get larger amounts of oil than the almost non-existant 6% we get from Iraq. Thank you for not posting back on this. It proves my point that you have no clue about what your talking about.
Oh and Django. The U.S. gets only 6% of its oil from Iraq. Anyone that says this is a war about oil is uninformed. If we were to go to war for oil, we'd fight against Canada, Venezuela, or Mexico, our biggest recources for oil, or Saudi Arabia, who we get larger amounts of oil than the almost non-existant 6% we get from Iraq. Thank you for not posting back on this. It proves my point that you have no clue about what your talking about.
Why not merge this thread with the Iraq opposition thread?
Just a thought.
Django, don't apologize to anyone, whether Naisy comes to their defense or not. Beale, I admire your rejection of the whiny-ass liberal platitudes. Bullsh!t is bullsh!t and should be treated as such, on the right as well as the left. Anyway, I'm sticking to the Iraq opposition thread. Ciao.
Just a thought.
Django, don't apologize to anyone, whether Naisy comes to their defense or not. Beale, I admire your rejection of the whiny-ass liberal platitudes. Bullsh!t is bullsh!t and should be treated as such, on the right as well as the left. Anyway, I'm sticking to the Iraq opposition thread. Ciao.
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You really don't have any idea of what your talking about? What kind of atrocities are you expecting? What in the U.S's history could possiblt lead you to this Anti-American opinion. (Whether it was intended to be anti-american or not, it is). I want some statistics on this one Django. Prove to me you aren't a complete liberal moron. Please. Liberals, Liberals, Liberals....whatever shall our country do.
Beale: a) I am not a liberal--just conscientious. b) Regarding statistics--you've heard the expression, haven't you? "There are 3 kinds of lies--lies, damned lies and statistics." 'Nuff said! Statistics prove nothing.
Caitlyn: Please see above regarding my position on this issue. I do not feel obliged to apologize to anyone for expressing my honest opinion regarding the current administration. You've heard of freedom of speech, haven't you? Well, if freedom of speech protects the friggin' Ku Klux Klan, it damn well better protect me! (Sorry for my use of mild profanity, but that's where I stand!)
Caitlyn: Please see above regarding my position on this issue. I do not feel obliged to apologize to anyone for expressing my honest opinion regarding the current administration. You've heard of freedom of speech, haven't you? Well, if freedom of speech protects the friggin' Ku Klux Klan, it damn well better protect me! (Sorry for my use of mild profanity, but that's where I stand!)
Thats what I thought. You can't pull up any STATISTICS or FACTS to back up your fallacies. What a shame. Another complete liberal moron.
The level of this debate... unbelievable. Conservatism equals fascism and the opposite of a fascist is a liberal? Wow! You learn something new every day...
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You miss the point Pidzilla. Its perfectly cool to criticise the leadership of this country. Its perfectly alright to criticise the war, (although I'd prefer that Django would say something valid once and a while. He never semms to be able to back up what h says. Time after time he is challenged to, and every time he finds a way to change the subject or avoid giving statistics that don't exist to back up his phoney claims.) But to call the president a NAZI is wrong. No matter how much you dislike or hate the president or his policies, you don't call him a NAZI! Am I the only person besides Caitlyn that understands the weight of this comment, and how offensve, not to mention idiotic it is? Does anyone else notice how he wasn't able to back this claim up with any facts, or statistics? He provides no form of evidence at all. And still he posts his childish liberal attacks at Bush which are rooted in something much less than fact. This shows a complete lack of intelligence on the part of Django.