Nosferatu - 2024

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Trying to determine if this is more pathetic or stupid before I respond..

Oh, that's right, I also can not respond at all.
As much as I love living rent free in your head, I must confess that the space is awfully small and not well-furnished.



As much as I love living rent free in your head

What an accomplishment. And you only had to be a completely insufferable loser for ten plus years to gain access.



At this rate, you'll be squatting in dozens of people's heads by the end of your life. Dozens! Hope life is as enjoyable for you as it sounds.



I guess, I will need to take a peek at the 1979 remake. I saw it years ago, recall Klaus Kinski being "Count Dracula" and looking like Max Shrek, or something like that. I see in IMDB that they also had Lucy, Mina and Jonathan appearing straight from Bram Stoker, so it must have been a hybrid of Stoker and the silent version. Apparently, you can stream it on Tubi or Peacock.

I don't know what you mean by it being a hybrid of an adaptation of a novel and the novel, itself.


The Herzog version was a conscious remake of the Murnau version. His line about it was something along the lines of, German cultural heritage of our fathers was basically destroyed by the toxic influence of the Nazis, so in order to reclaim that heritage, they needed to go to the culture of their grandfathers.



You're really bringing out your arsenal of clever comebacks, aren't you.


But please, keep giving me more reason to enjoy how much you flounder when you can't quote from one of your college textbooks.



I don't know what you mean by it being a hybrid of an adaptation of a novel and the novel, itself.


The Herzog version was a conscious remake of the Murnau version. His line about it was something along the lines of, German cultural heritage of our fathers was basically destroyed by the toxic influence of the Nazis, so in order to reclaim that heritage, they needed to go to the culture of their grandfathers.
Ironically, the Stoker version of the original story was written by an English guy and the historic Dracula was Wallachian....Germany wasn't part of the story. The story was beyond German boundaries before the Nazis. We've even had Nicolas Cage being Dracula as well as Blacula, Vampyros Lesbos, Ed Wood and Leslie Nielson, not to mention Count Chocula.

I'd suggest that Dracula and blood suckers in general have escaped. Ironically, the historic Dracula was entirely mortal, and while he was a bloody monster, nothing suggests that he actually drank anybody's blood.



Ironically, the Stoker version of the original story was written by an English guy and the historic Dracula was Wallachian....Germany wasn't part of the story. The story was beyond German boundaries before the Nazis. We've even had Nicolas Cage being Dracula as well as Blacula, Vampyros Lesbos, Ed Wood and Leslie Nielson, not to mention Count Chocula.

I'd suggest that Dracula and blood suckers in general have escaped. Ironically, the historic Dracula was entirely mortal, and while he was a bloody monster, nothing suggests that he actually drank anybody's blood.
I'm looking at this response and can't suss out if you knew that Nosferatu was a German film.



His line about it was something along the lines of, German cultural heritage of our fathers was basically destroyed by the toxic influence of the Nazis, so in order to reclaim that heritage, they needed to go to the culture of their grandfathers.
So, they decided to run back the clock to where they just ignominiously lost a world war, signed the Treaty of Versailles, and dove into hyperinflation hell? Yeah, bringing the sexy back. I guess when the period that follows is literal Nazis everything looks good. "Hey, wasn't there some ad hoc plagiarism project which preceded the Nazis? Some vampire thing? Surely, that will help us subtly erase the mark of National Socialism."



I don't know what you mean by it being a hybrid of an adaptation of a novel and the novel, itself.


The Herzog version was a conscious remake of the Murnau version. His line about it was something along the lines of, German cultural heritage of our fathers was basically destroyed by the toxic influence of the Nazis, so in order to reclaim that heritage, they needed to go to the culture of their grandfathers.
Murnau's silent version is a whole, whole lot different from the book Dracula. About the only thing they have in common is use of the word Nosferatu and blood suckers. The plot is completely different as are the characters and.... it's an epistolary novel. The book is rather talky and full of good Victorian British manners and well dressed English people...."Mr Arthur Holmwood requests your company for a luncheon on the morrow" sort of talk.

It's been too long since I saw the Herzog version to comment clearly, but I do recall that it had elements of both the book and the first movie.

It's kind of like Frankenstein in that each movie uses part of the novel and part of other movie versions, but, for the most part they are not all that faithful. They remind us that it's not easy to adapt a book to a movie without shortening, reducing plot elements and making your own changes to parts of books that don't make good movies.



I don't know what you mean by it being a hybrid of an adaptation of a novel and the novel, itself.

The Herzog version was a conscious remake of the Murnau version. His line about it was something along the lines of, German cultural heritage of our fathers was basically destroyed by the toxic influence of the Nazis, so in order to reclaim that heritage, they needed to go to the culture of their grandfathers.
Maybe Herzog needed to go there, but Dracula had nothing to do with Germany or Nazis. Murnau may have been German, but nothing about his movie or the book Dracula or the silent Nosferatu has anything all that German in it.



About the only thing they have in common is use of the word Nosferatu and blood suckers. The plot is completely different as are the characters

Um....no?


There are more than enough similarities to make it pretty clear what Nosferatu was based upon. Just because changes were made (most specifically to characters names), doesn't mean it wasn't adapted from Stoker's book. It clearly was.



Maybe Herzog needed to go there, but Dracula had nothing to do with Germany or Nazis. Murnau may have been German, but nothing about his movie or the book Dracula or the silent Nosferatu has anything all that German in it.

I'm pretty sure Herzog was talking about rescuing the heritage of German film, of which Nosferatu is one of its earliest shining examples. He wasn't saying Dracula, either the book or the movie, had anything to do with Nazi's.



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Um....no?


There are more than enough similarities to make it pretty clear what Nosferatu was based upon. Just because changes were made (most specifically to characters names), doesn't mean it wasn't adapted from Stoker's book. It clearly was.
Pretty much. The story is the same, and even with the setting having changed as well as the characters, the characters still fill the basic role as Stoker’s counterparts.
Everyone knows the name change was done for legal reasons, and it feels like splitting hairs here.



Pretty much. The story is the same, and even with the setting having changed as well as the characters, the characters still fill the basic role as Stoker’s counterparts.
Everyone knows the name change was done for legal reasons, and it feels like splitting hairs here.

And it appears that a hundred years later, changing characters names in order to disguise where they adapted their script from, is still somehow an effective tactic.



The trick is not minding
And it appears that a hundred years later, the tactic of changing characters names in order to disguise where they adapted their script from, is still somehow an effective tactic.
It boggles the mind!



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  • Focus Features will bring Robert Eggers’ highly anticipated horror film Nosferatu to U.S. audiences on December 25, 2024.
  • The upcoming remake stars Lily-Rose Depp as the main character and features a talented cast including Nicholas Hoult and Bill Skarsgård.
  • Unlike previous versions, the focus of this new film will primarily be on Depp's character, making it an even more unique and compelling take on the story.



The original Murneau was amazing. Herzog's was interesting and I'll watch Eggers' version as he's a great director. If it comes anywhere near Murneau's he's doing well.



I love the original for the creepy atmosphere and I’m not sure if that can be successfully recreated. I just hope the remake doesn’t turn into a gore galore fest. Hopefully the remake will spur on some horror fans who wouldn’t normally watch a silent movie to view the original. It is an outright classic and very important film in the genre.
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From what we can see in the image it appears that the film will be in color, perhaps muted color, but a color image nonetheless.



I do not think it will be a gore-fest. I don't get that feel from Eggers despite the bloodiness of The Norseman. This is a genre pic and he knows it.



I'm pretty sure Herzog was talking about rescuing the heritage of German film, of which Nosferatu is one of its earliest shining examples. He wasn't saying Dracula, either the book or the movie, had anything to do with Nazi's.
Yes, and I can only assume that Kracauer and this book in mind as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_Caligari_to_Hitler