I would say "Moment to Remember" is the movie which i like and recommended but none of my friends didn't liked it
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It's more like the original book had 21 chapters and the American version only had 20 - the last chapter would've involved
which would've radically altered the point of the story. I think Kubrick was aware of this "extra" chapter but still decided not to include it as part of his adaptation anyway.
WARNING: "A Clockwork Orange (book)" spoilers below
Alex having started up a new gang after getting out of hospital only to meet up with one of his old gang members who had become a normal member of society and eventually coming to the conclusion that he should also grow up and join society instead of just being a delinquent
which would've radically altered the point of the story. I think Kubrick was aware of this "extra" chapter but still decided not to include it as part of his adaptation anyway.
WARNING: "A Clockwork Orange" spoilers below
That makes sense. Sounds like a Kubrick thing to do. Although I thought the point in the book was that he had found a way to come clean naturally as opposed to be forced to be good which just ruined a huge chunk of his life and helped no one.
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The presumption is that you seem to think that calling the film disconnected because "it just feels like it IMO" without much in the way of further explanation is a sufficient argument against it. I would have preferred a better argument for why it's so disjointed and disconnected than just going "IMO" over and over again and then deciding that the best response to my counter-arguments is to get caught up on being called "presumptive" rather than argue based on the film itself. It's one thing to talk about how the writing "feels" bad, but that's not the same as making a well-rounded argument for why the writing feels bad, which is why my arguments revolve around how the ending connects on a thematic and narrative level that's consistent with the rest of the film (not just the beginning).
And that's not what you said when you first used "presumptive" and you know it.
Your statement of "presumptive" was this one:
You: "That's a presumptive thing to say about the writer's process, though - for all you know, the ending was the first thing he thought of and the whole film was always going to build up to it from the beginning."There was no presumption on the "writers process"; I never said what they did for sure. Of course it's possible that it was always endemic to the story line.
So stop changing what was said, and stop reframing the argument.
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But there was:
"When writers are up against a wall and put in a disjointed ending, they certainly know how to add a sentence or two in the beginning and middle to try to feebly tie it together."
That was the text that existed at the time to reply to. That's what was said, without re-framing.
Your recent addition:
"Of course it's possible that it was always endemic to the story line."
That addition helps balance things for me now; but that wasn't part of the initial post, which was what got the replies.
I don't understand the defensiveness for replies reading your post as it was written. I don't know if it's fair for me to assume you might also believe that his death was always possible as well, considering your choice of words to argue that it wasn't (e.g., when writers are up against a wall (without examples of that wall); disjointed ending (relying on opinion, which in and of itself is fine, but siting elements from the movie would have been much stronger for the argument and, had that existed too, likely would never have gotten a reply to begin with); and try to feebly tie it together).
You now write, "of course" as if that is a given from what you originally wrote. I'm not sure how or why anyone would assume that though, by just reading the post as it was presented.
All of this is fine btw. Just you asked how else could you have written it. I'm paraphrasing that last bit. Dont take me to task for being so casual with those words.
That's all I will respond with. It's an unnecessary debate I feel, now, after the additional "of course" bit. Just I felt it important to clarify my response to the original post, considering its follow-up.
"When writers are up against a wall and put in a disjointed ending, they certainly know how to add a sentence or two in the beginning and middle to try to feebly tie it together."
That was the text that existed at the time to reply to. That's what was said, without re-framing.
Your recent addition:
"Of course it's possible that it was always endemic to the story line."
That addition helps balance things for me now; but that wasn't part of the initial post, which was what got the replies.
I don't understand the defensiveness for replies reading your post as it was written. I don't know if it's fair for me to assume you might also believe that his death was always possible as well, considering your choice of words to argue that it wasn't (e.g., when writers are up against a wall (without examples of that wall); disjointed ending (relying on opinion, which in and of itself is fine, but siting elements from the movie would have been much stronger for the argument and, had that existed too, likely would never have gotten a reply to begin with); and try to feebly tie it together).
You now write, "of course" as if that is a given from what you originally wrote. I'm not sure how or why anyone would assume that though, by just reading the post as it was presented.
All of this is fine btw. Just you asked how else could you have written it. I'm paraphrasing that last bit. Dont take me to task for being so casual with those words.
That's all I will respond with. It's an unnecessary debate I feel, now, after the additional "of course" bit. Just I felt it important to clarify my response to the original post, considering its follow-up.
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Mad Max: Fury Road.
I couldn't even get through this one...turned it off after about 15 minutes.
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Wasn't it discussed yesterday how the newest part of a series always makes the most money? Surely, everyone who say "Part 7" didn't necessarily see every single preceding film.
Here are the highest grossing films. Making money doesn't mean they are great pictures. And most of the greatest pictures ever either didn't make money, or lost money.
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Here are the highest grossing films. Making money doesn't mean they are great pictures. And most of the greatest pictures ever either didn't make money, or lost money.
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Am I misinterpreting this list? Avatar is the highest grossing film ever?
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It used to be, but Avengers: Endgame overtook it last year. Here is the current up-to-date list of the highest-grossing films ever.
I'm assuming that the one you posted is Box Office takes only, and nothing else?
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Ugh! 95% of these are crap or fluff....
1 Avatar $2,787,965,087 2009 [# 1][# 2] 2 1 Titanic $2,186,772,302 1997 [# 3][# 4] 3 3 The Avengers $1,518,594,910 2012 [# 5][# 6] 4 3 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 $1,341,511,219 2011 [# 7][# 8] 5 5 Frozen $1,279,852,693 2013 [# 9][# 10] 6 5 Iron Man 3 $1,215,439,994 2013 [# 11][# 12] 7 4 Transformers: Dark of the Moon $1,123,794,079 2011 [# 13][# 8] 8 2 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King $1,119,929,521 2003 [# 14][# 15] 9 7 Skyfall $1,108,561,013 2012 [# 16][# 17] 10 10 Transformers: Age of Extinction $1,091,405,097 2014 [# 18][# 19] 11 7 The Dark Knight Rises $1,084,439,099 2012 [# 20][# 21] 12 3 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest $1,066,179,725 2006 [# 22][# 23] 13 5 Toy Story 3 $1,063,171,911 2010 [# 24][# 25] 14 6 Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides $1,045,713,802 2011 [# 26][# 27] 15 1 Jurassic Park $1,029,939,903 1993 [# 28][# 29] 16 2 Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace $1,027,044,677 1999 [# 30][# 4] 17 5 Alice in Wonderland $1,025,467,110 2010 [# 31][# 32] 18 14 The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey $1,017,003,568 2012 [# 33][# 34] 19 4 The Dark Knight $1,004,558,444 2008 [# 35][# 36] 20 20 Furious 7 $1,000,554,080 2015 [# 37] 21 2 The Lion King $987,483,777 1994 [# 38][# 29] 22 2 Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone $974,755,371 2001 [# 39][# 40] 23 20 Despicable Me 2 $970,761,885 2013 [# 41][# 42] 24 5 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End $963,420,425 2007 [# 43][# 44] 25 24 The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug $960,366,855 2013 [# 45][# 46] 26 10 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 1 $960,283,305 2010 [# 47][# 48] 27 26 The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies $955,113,783 2014 [# 49][# 50] 28 6 Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix $939,885,929 2007 [# 51][# 44] 29 9 Finding Nemo $936,743,261 2003 [# 52][# 15] 30 8 Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince $934,416,487 2009 [# 53][# 54] 31 5 The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers $926,047,111 2002 [# 55][# 56] 32 6 Shrek 2 $919,838,758 2004 [# 57][# 58] 33 8 Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire $896,911,078 2005 [# 59][# 60] 34 10 Spider-Man 3 $890,871,626 2007 [# 61][# 62] 35 15 Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs $886,686,817 2009 [# 63][# 64] 36 6 Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets $878,979,634 2002 [# 65][# 66] 37 29 Ice Age: Continental Drift $877,244,782 2012 [# 67][# 68] 38 5 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring $871,530,324 2001 [# 69][# 70] 39 34 The Hunger Games: Catching Fire $864,912,963 2013 [# 71][# 72] 40 11 Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith $848,754,768 2005 [# 73][# 74] 41 19 Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen $836,303,693 2009 [# 75][# 76] 42 33 The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn – Part 2 $829,685,377 2012 [# 77][# 78] 43 24 Inception $825,532,764 2010 [# 79][# 80] 44 7 Spider-Man $821,708,551 2002 [# 81][# 82] 45 2 Independence Day $817,400,891 1996 [# 83][# 84] 46 19 Shrek the Third $798,958,162 2007 [# 85][# 82] 47 14 Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban $796,688,549 2004 [# 86][# 87] 48 1 E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial $792,910,554 1982 [# 88][# 89] 49 31 2012 $791,217,826 2009 [# 90][# 91] 50 44F6 Fast & Furious 6 $788,679,850 2013 [# 92][# 93][/quote]
1 Avatar $2,787,965,087 2009 [# 1][# 2] 2 1 Titanic $2,186,772,302 1997 [# 3][# 4] 3 3 The Avengers $1,518,594,910 2012 [# 5][# 6] 4 3 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 $1,341,511,219 2011 [# 7][# 8] 5 5 Frozen $1,279,852,693 2013 [# 9][# 10] 6 5 Iron Man 3 $1,215,439,994 2013 [# 11][# 12] 7 4 Transformers: Dark of the Moon $1,123,794,079 2011 [# 13][# 8] 8 2 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King $1,119,929,521 2003 [# 14][# 15] 9 7 Skyfall $1,108,561,013 2012 [# 16][# 17] 10 10 Transformers: Age of Extinction $1,091,405,097 2014 [# 18][# 19] 11 7 The Dark Knight Rises $1,084,439,099 2012 [# 20][# 21] 12 3 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest $1,066,179,725 2006 [# 22][# 23] 13 5 Toy Story 3 $1,063,171,911 2010 [# 24][# 25] 14 6 Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides $1,045,713,802 2011 [# 26][# 27] 15 1 Jurassic Park $1,029,939,903 1993 [# 28][# 29] 16 2 Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace $1,027,044,677 1999 [# 30][# 4] 17 5 Alice in Wonderland $1,025,467,110 2010 [# 31][# 32] 18 14 The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey $1,017,003,568 2012 [# 33][# 34] 19 4 The Dark Knight $1,004,558,444 2008 [# 35][# 36] 20 20 Furious 7 $1,000,554,080 2015 [# 37] 21 2 The Lion King $987,483,777 1994 [# 38][# 29] 22 2 Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone $974,755,371 2001 [# 39][# 40] 23 20 Despicable Me 2 $970,761,885 2013 [# 41][# 42] 24 5 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End $963,420,425 2007 [# 43][# 44] 25 24 The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug $960,366,855 2013 [# 45][# 46] 26 10 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 1 $960,283,305 2010 [# 47][# 48] 27 26 The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies $955,113,783 2014 [# 49][# 50] 28 6 Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix $939,885,929 2007 [# 51][# 44] 29 9 Finding Nemo $936,743,261 2003 [# 52][# 15] 30 8 Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince $934,416,487 2009 [# 53][# 54] 31 5 The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers $926,047,111 2002 [# 55][# 56] 32 6 Shrek 2 $919,838,758 2004 [# 57][# 58] 33 8 Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire $896,911,078 2005 [# 59][# 60] 34 10 Spider-Man 3 $890,871,626 2007 [# 61][# 62] 35 15 Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs $886,686,817 2009 [# 63][# 64] 36 6 Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets $878,979,634 2002 [# 65][# 66] 37 29 Ice Age: Continental Drift $877,244,782 2012 [# 67][# 68] 38 5 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring $871,530,324 2001 [# 69][# 70] 39 34 The Hunger Games: Catching Fire $864,912,963 2013 [# 71][# 72] 40 11 Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith $848,754,768 2005 [# 73][# 74] 41 19 Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen $836,303,693 2009 [# 75][# 76] 42 33 The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn – Part 2 $829,685,377 2012 [# 77][# 78] 43 24 Inception $825,532,764 2010 [# 79][# 80] 44 7 Spider-Man $821,708,551 2002 [# 81][# 82] 45 2 Independence Day $817,400,891 1996 [# 83][# 84] 46 19 Shrek the Third $798,958,162 2007 [# 85][# 82] 47 14 Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban $796,688,549 2004 [# 86][# 87] 48 1 E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial $792,910,554 1982 [# 88][# 89] 49 31 2012 $791,217,826 2009 [# 90][# 91] 50 44F6 Fast & Furious 6 $788,679,850 2013 [# 92][# 93][/quote]
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But there was:
"When writers are up against a wall and put in a disjointed ending, they certainly know how to add a sentence or two in the beginning and middle to try to feebly tie it together."
That was the text that existed at the time to reply to. That's what was said, without re-framing.
"When writers are up against a wall and put in a disjointed ending, they certainly know how to add a sentence or two in the beginning and middle to try to feebly tie it together."
That was the text that existed at the time to reply to. That's what was said, without re-framing.
That was answering Iro's assertion that it seemed like there were clues put in elsewhere.... As if that invalidates the idea that it was a haphazard ending. It doesn't. An ending that doesn't match the overall thrust of the film could easily have a couple points put in to weakly tie it together.
I'm not going to get into this anymore. It's too ****ing aggravating.
This entire debacle happened because he (both of you now) attempted to argue against something I never said, nor implied, and then countered with claims of presumption about a writing process.
Enough with this fuktardary.
I quoted your own words and explained why I responded to your very specific choice of words. I'm not sure what more I can offer to help you see why someone else might interpret those words differently than how you may have meant them.
Also, *feebly.
Also, *feebly.
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Still don't get the love for 'It Follows'. I think I've seen it 4 times, read and watched a bunch of reviews. I'm just not capable of seeing what people see in it.
Snow Dogs.
Dreary, and nice enough ending, but the remake seemed nearly scene for scene identical to the original, and I thought both kinda rot.
Anyway....
Bleah.
Dreary, and nice enough ending, but the remake seemed nearly scene for scene identical to the original, and I thought both kinda rot.
Anyway....
Bleah.
I quoted your own words and explained why I responded to your very specific choice of words.
My "own choice of words" was specific to someone else's "own choice of words", and addressed those directly. You want to read what you want to read into what I wrote, go for it. And if others read that into it, then they're making the same knuckleheaded mistake.
Is this going to go on forever? For F's sake.
Still don't get the love for 'It Follows'. I think I've seen it 4 times, read and watched a bunch of reviews. I'm just not capable of seeing what people see in it.
You hate it, yet 4 times? haha I definitely thought more positively about the movie than negatively, but it certainly has flaws. Pretty well-executed given the budget and concept though.
My dad also taught me something interesting as a kid: To try something every 10 or 20 years to make sure you still hated it. LOL. He explained why every long while, he'll buy a bag of pork rinds. I myself will try a little Moxie once a decade, right before I huck the can into a swamp.
I'm not always willing to do this though. I'm betting A Passage Through India won't ever waste another minute of my time, other than the time I spend bashing it.
You hate it, yet 4 times? haha I definitely thought more positively about the movie than negatively, but it certainly has flaws. Pretty well-executed given the budget and concept though.