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gbgoodies
12-08-17, 02:43 AM
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Kramer vs Kramer

This is another 70s flick I never seemed to watch and one I always needed to see and, was very happy to see nominated so that I had the opportunity to actually watch it.
Of course, one of the reasons I've hesitated was that I knew there was gonna be at least one scene that would make me bawl - which there was. I think it was after the ice cream fight and they make up and there was another one, which surprisingly I can't remember but they were pleasant tears all the same.

There were more than just one or two scenes in this movie that brought me to tears. The make up after the ice cream fight was one, but also when Ted is reading the letter from Joanna to Billy, and he gets upset and raises the volume on the TV to drown it out, when Billy fell in the playground and he had to get stitches, when he saw his mother again and ran towards her, and when Joanna comes back to get Billy, but she calls Ted downstairs to talk to him.


This was a very enjoyable film. It had a authenticity to it. That Every Day, this could be anyone scenario; but it wasn't every boring or tiresome, which is a very exceptional trick to pull off. Especially since we got to visit numerous A Day in the Life, like the one image I used, which I really enjoyed. The two of them sitting down, not dressed, eating breakfast and reading.
A similar situation I found amusing and rather apropos was the early morning shots from down the hall. First the little boy going to the bathroom and you hear him taking a morning pee and as he leaves, in comes the dad from the opposite end of the hall to do the exact same thing. I thought that had an excellent Circle of Life kind of thing there and it put a smile on my face. This movie was chock full of such things.

It's great to see how Ted and Billy progress from not being able to make breakfast at all, to knowing how to do it together without even having to talk to each other, but the bathroom scene that you described just before breakfast really bugged me. Did anyone else notice that they each went to the bathroom and then went directly into the kitchen, but neither one of them washed their hands after using the bathroom? And then they touched their food. :sick:


I also enjoyed seeing how we come right into it, with a close up of Streep sitting with her sleeping son and the anguish she felt as she follows through with - what she must have been worrying back and forth over and finally going through with leaving Hoffman.
And then it's Hoffman and his son trying to figure out how to live with one another and the loss of her leaving.
I think the ONLY aspect I would have liked to have seen a little more of was Joanna's life when she was away, though Streep did such an excellent job of emotionally portraying her tribulations that that wasn't truly necessary.
And the fact that both were to blame for the failure of their marriage and both and their flaws and their mistakes was the way to go for this to work as it did.

Citizen has a great ending for this: a close up on Hoffman's face as they leave instead of the way they did go which was a safe, high road, better feel way. One that would be nice to see in real life instead of the petty games that happens far too often on in such a situation.

Still, THANK YOU Joel for nominating this!!

I liked that we didn't see much of Joanna between the time that she left and the time that she returned. It made the bond between the father and son more important, and made us want to see him keep custody of his son even more. If we had seen what she was going through while she was away, we might have felt sorry for her, and that would have made the courtroom scenes have less impact, including the verdict and the final scene between Ted and Joanna.

rauldc14
12-08-17, 01:29 PM
The Sting

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This was one of the bigger name Best Picture Oscar winners that I hadn't seen (besides Gone With the Wind), so naturally I was pretty stoked to watch it.

The first thing that captivated me was the screenplay and the direction by George Roy Hill. Hill directed Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid as well, and while I wasn't a huge fan of that, this one certainly delivered. Each scene is drawn out to glue your attention to exactly what is happening. The poker scene for instance was one of my favorites when we see a con happen before our very own eyes. And I also loved all the horse betting scenes. They all had a very unique style about them. The ending is just another example of a very fantastic scene, but I won't get into specifics yet with those who haven't seen.

And then there is the acting, which is very well rounded and there is a lot of character to all of the performances involved. Robert Redford would be my favorite performance but the others were quite good as well.

I don't think I'll officially classify the film as a true favorite, but it is a very well made and has little flaw in a technical scale.

3.5+

matt72582
12-08-17, 01:35 PM
Did anyone else notice that they each went to the bathroom and then went directly into the kitchen, but neither one of them washed their hands after using the bathroom? And then they touched their food. :sick:


And neither flushed the toilet!

To me, it seemed like they wanted to show the audience the father-son type of thing... Or maybe "Monkey see, monkey do"...

Camo
12-08-17, 01:36 PM
Think the breakfast scene in Kramer vs Kramer might be my favourite. It's such a sweet, simple way to establish their growing bond. I mean there's more entertaining scenes but that's the one that always sticks with me.

edarsenal
12-08-17, 07:03 PM
There were more than just one or two scenes in this movie that brought me to tears. The make up after the ice cream fight was one, but also when Ted is reading the letter from Joanna to Billy, and he gets upset and raises the volume on the TV to drown it out, when Billy fell in the playground and he had to get stitches, when he saw his mother again and ran towards her, and when Joanna comes back to get Billy, but she calls Ted downstairs to talk to him.
Didn't cry for the fall scene, REALLY saw that one coming, though I did feel really bad for the kid and cheered Ted (Hoffman) for insisting on staying with his son while he stitched him up.

It's great to see how Ted and Billy progress from not being able to make breakfast at all, to knowing how to do it together without even having to talk to each other, but the bathroom scene that you described just before breakfast really bugged me. Did anyone else notice that they each went to the bathroom and then went directly into the kitchen, but neither one of them washed their hands after using the bathroom? And then they touched their food. :sick:
It's a guy thing :cool:
We're not proud of it . . . well, we're a LITTLE proud. . . ;)

I liked that we didn't see much of Joanna between the time that she left and the time that she returned. It made the bond between the father and son more important, and made us want to see him keep custody of his son even more. If we had seen what she was going through while she was away, we might have felt sorry for her, and that would have made the courtroom scenes have less impact, including the verdict and the final scene between Ted and Joanna.
that is very true.
And neither flushed the toilet!
I kinda wondered about that and I also was a little surprised at HOW FAST they peed. This was a "Just waking up" pee. Those take TIME. And No dribble sound from the shake afterward. . .
I'm getting a little TOO analytical here, ain't I?

Think the breakfast scene in Kramer vs Kramer might be my favourite. It's such a sweet, simple way to establish their growing bond. I mean there's more entertaining scenes but that's the one that always sticks with me.
I quite agree. And it is such a Father and Son scene since breakfast is a chocolate donut. Just a great lil scene all around.
The same went for the final breakfast when they had the french toast down to a science. Really said a lot about the way they interacted. Loved that.

edarsenal
12-08-17, 07:10 PM
The Sting

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This was one of the bigger name Best Picture Oscar winners that I hadn't seen (besides Gone With the Wind), so naturally I was pretty stoked to watch it.

The first thing that captivated me was the screenplay and the direction by George Roy Hill. Hill directed Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid as well, and while I wasn't a huge fan of that, this one certainly delivered. Each scene is drawn out to glue your attention to exactly what is happening. The poker scene for instance was one of my favorites when we see a con happen before our very own eyes. And I also loved all the horse betting scenes. They all had a very unique style about them. The ending is just another example of a very fantastic scene, but I won't get into specifics yet with those who haven't seen.

And then there is the acting, which is very well rounded and there is a lot of character to all of the performances involved. Robert Redford would be my favorite performance but the others were quite good as well.

I don't think I'll officially classify the film as a true favorite, but it is a very well made and has little flaw in a technical scale.

3.5+
Glad to hear you enjoyed this (favorite of mine), and totally agree on all points on direction and individual scenes. Loved the cons and there were so many secondary characters that stuck out and did great.
And yeah, the ending is fantastic. Always smile watching that.

Camo
12-08-17, 07:12 PM
The same went for the final breakfast when they had the french toast down to a science.

Yeah, i think i mean that subplot rather than scene haha.

edarsenal
12-08-17, 07:13 PM
Yeah, i think i mean that subplot rather than scene haha.
I gotcha :)

Velvet
12-08-17, 07:14 PM
wow this thread is popping

edarsenal
12-08-17, 09:33 PM
DECEMBER 8 UPDATE


rauldc14, Yam12, Citizen Rules, Jay Redrum, Joel, cricket, HashtagBrownies, Velvet, CaptainT, Jeff Costello

As previously mentioned, we have hit the December 8 deadline for word on Nestorio's continuation in the 70s HoF and since, unfortunately, he has not returned I have removed his nomination, Three Days of the Condor and have adjusted the numbers of those of us who have already seen it on page one. (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=1788251#post1788251)

This puts us at 10 movies with a tentative Deadline of January 12, 2018, unless of course it gets finished up before then.

Here's everyone's stats so far:

edarsenal 9/11
Sorcerer
Three Days of the Condor NO LONGER IN HALL OF FAME
The Sting
Dog Day Afternoon
The Warriors
What's Up, Doc?
Fantastic Planet
Eraserhead
Kramer vs Kramer
F is For Fake

rauldc14 7/11
Three Days of the Condor NO LONGER IN HALL OF FAME
F For Fake
The Warriors
Fantastic Planet
What's Up, Doc?
Eraserhead
Kramer vs Kramer
The Sting

Yam12 1/11
Eraserhead


Citizen Rules 8/11
Sorcerer
What's Up, Doc?
Investigation of a Citizen Above Suspicion
Kramer vs Kramer
Dog Day Afternoon
Three Days of the Condor NO LONGER IN HALL OF FAME
F For Fake
Fantastic Planet
Red Psalm


Jay Redrum 2/11
The Warriors
F For Fake


Joel 5/11
Kramer vs Kramer
Sorcerer
Investigation of a Citizen Above Suspicion
What's Up, Doc?
Dog Day Afternoon

matt72582 Honorary Reviewer
Red Psalm


cricket 6/11
Sorcerer
Eraserhead
Three Days of the Condor NO LONGER IN HALL OF FAME
What's Up, Doc?
Fantastic Planet
F For Fake
The Warriors


HashtagBrownies 5/11
Eraserhead
Dog Day Afternoon
The Sting
Kramer vs Kramer
F For Fake

Velvet 7/11
Fantastic Planet
Dog Day Afternoon
Sorcerer
Three Days of the Condor NO LONGER IN HALL OF FAME
Kramer vs Kramer
The Sting
The Warriors
What's Up, Doc?


CaptainT 0/11


Jeff Costello 3/11
Three Days of the Condor NO LONGER IN HALL OF FAME
Eraserhead
The Warriors
Fantastic Planet

And yes, CaptainT is still in this, though he hasn't posted any reviews as of yet.

Velvet
12-08-17, 09:35 PM
wow only three more :) Also dont really think im going to rewatch eraser head so only 2 for me then

Camo
12-08-17, 09:37 PM
I'm not a part of this but Captain T is not going to finish this, should take his nom out unless he's talking to you about it. IMO.

Edit: Missed the part at the bottom, fair enough. Good luck. If anyone needs help finding stuff PM me.

edarsenal
12-08-17, 09:38 PM
wow only three more :) Also dont really think im going to rewatch eraser head so only 2 for me then

cool, just do a lil write up for Eraserhead when ya can and you're golden.

Velvet
12-08-17, 09:44 PM
yeah of course ill do a write up

Joel
12-08-17, 09:44 PM
Thanks edarsenal! Great work creating and maintaining a comprehensive place for this movie club. I'll get to work soon and try and knock out the remaining titles I'm still due to watch!

Joel
12-08-17, 09:45 PM
I'm not a part of this but Captain T is not going to finish this, should take his nom out unless he's talking to you about it. IMO.

Edit: Missed the part at the bottom, fair enough. Good luck. If anyone needs help finding stuff PM me.

Camo, what does your avatar mean, or what is it from?

rauldc14
12-08-17, 09:46 PM
I count 11 movies Ed.

Although in honesty I don't see Captain T finishing this, so I won't be rewatching Dog Day Afternoon.

edarsenal
12-08-17, 10:00 PM
That count is right, rauldc14, I'll correct that. THANKS

Thanks Joel!

And while Capt had told me in email a couple weeks back that he was still in and simply starting very late I DO understand if anyone who hasn't seen Dog Day Afternoon holds off on and I may do the same before Christmas if Capt is unable to finish.

And ALWAYS appreciate your input and help, Camo -- THANK YOU

And thank you everyone for your understanding and participation -- it is TRULY appreciated, THANKS ALL!!!

Camo
12-08-17, 10:01 PM
Camo, what does your avatar mean, or what is it from?

The Wire. It's Avon Barksdale:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbF_HlZ23cY

Camo
12-08-17, 10:02 PM
Like SC - Jake, MV - Joaquin, HK - Drew, my main thing has been The Wire avatars.

Camo
12-08-17, 10:05 PM
The Wire. It's Avon Barksdale:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbF_HlZ23cY

Oh yeah, you asked what it meant. It's Avon (the top boss at that point) letting the guys who are setting up The Wire know he is aware of them. At that point they (and us narratively but it was easy enough to tell they knew) thought he had no clue.

edarsenal
12-08-17, 10:07 PM
The Wire is on my binge watchlist, heard nothing but great things about it and it definitely sounds like something I'd love

Camo
12-08-17, 10:10 PM
The Wire is on my binge watchlist, heard nothing but great things about it and it definitely sounds like something I'd love

It's one of the best shows. I feel like rewatching it constantly.

If you do watch it post about it here, i'll be there to discuss it with you haha.

edarsenal
12-08-17, 10:12 PM
It's one of the best shows. I feel like rewatching it constantly.

If you do watch it post about it here, i'll be there to discuss it with you haha.

DEFINITELY!

matt72582
12-08-17, 11:33 PM
If anyone wants to see "Harry and Tonto" - feel free to PM me.... I looked through my collection weeks ago and half of those movies I have on VHS, and if you absolutely can't find another way, I can always let you borrow them.

edarsenal
12-08-17, 11:59 PM
If anyone wants to see "Harry and Tonto" - feel free to PM me.... I looked through my collection weeks ago and half of those movies I have on VHS, and if you absolutely can't find another way, I can always let you borrow them.

very cool, THANKS Matt!!

Citizen Rules
12-09-17, 10:11 PM
@edarsenal (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=50536)

Ed, I have a question...the deadline is January 12th, how long will the members have who haven't been watching movies to post about them?

I ask because I see this:

Yam12 1/11
Jay Redrum 2/11
CaptainT 0/11

and with so much time already gone by it doesn't look promising that these members will finish. I think a lot of us are holding off on those members films. So I'm just trying to figure out how long can I stall on those movies?

Velvet
12-09-17, 10:14 PM
lets kick them out

cricket
12-09-17, 10:15 PM
I think Yam has watched more but not posted about them yet.

edarsenal
12-09-17, 10:19 PM
@edarsenal (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=50536)

Ed, I have a question...the deadline is January 12th, how long will the members have who haven't been watching movies to post about them?

I ask because I see this:

Yam12 1/11
Jay Redrum 2/11
CaptainT 0/11

and with so much time already gone by it doesn't look promising that these members will finish. I think a lot of us are holding off on those members films. So I'm just trying to figure out how long can I stall on those movies?
Yam12 has been good about spitting out reviews last minute but I think it may be a good idea to shoot out a few emails and see where they are at.

Citizen Rules
12-09-17, 10:22 PM
lets kick them outOh, I wasn't saying that. Just trying to schedule what movies I watch when.

Velvet
12-09-17, 10:25 PM
I vote to kick

Camo
12-09-17, 10:29 PM
I think Yam has watched more but not posted about them yet.

He has. Saw his Letterboxd updates. Sorcerer, Fantastic Planet, The Sting, The Warriors and Eraserhead is what he's seen according to his diary.

edarsenal
12-09-17, 10:40 PM
He has. Saw his Letterboxd updates. Sorcerer, Fantastic Planet, The Sting, The Warriors and Eraserhead is what he's seen according to his diary.

THANKS Camo!
Yam usually does a rampant run of reviews near the deadline but I sent him a note along with emails to Jay Redrum, CaptainT and to Jeff Costello who hasn't been around for a few weeks either and only has about 3 reviews.

I'll see what responses I get and go from there.
But I will make a final decision BEFORE Christmas to settle things IF need be.

And like I said, I'm pretty confident about Yam taking care of business and Jeff's been good a great addition to the HoFs he's been in, so we'll see where they stand and go from there.

Citizen Rules
12-09-17, 10:42 PM
OK, thanks guys, I'll trust on that and so will watch Yam's movie Eraserhead, fairly soon.

Camo
12-09-17, 10:45 PM
Yam has close to five weeks with five films left possibly less since other films may be excluded, he has to get watching but he has more than enough time. Doubtful about the others but maybe i'm wrong.

Camo
12-09-17, 10:46 PM
The biggest problem seems to be members finding Red Psalm with subtitles.

edarsenal
12-09-17, 10:46 PM
It's a safe bet to check out Eraserhead, it'll be a shame to lose Dog Day Afternoon, The Sting and Investigation of a Citizen Above Suspicion. The first two I love and was VERY curious to check out Investigation though I've been striking out so far trying to find it. I do have a Hail Mary Pass from Joel left I haven't tried yet.

edarsenal
12-09-17, 10:50 PM
Yam has close to five weeks with five films left possibly less since other films may be excluded, he has to get watching but he has more than enough time. Doubtful about the others but maybe i'm wrong.

The biggest problem seems to be members finding Red Psalm with subtitles.

It is looking a little iffy for the others and yeah, Red Palm is proving even harder then Investigation. Velvet any ideas about finding your nomination?

Velvet
12-09-17, 10:51 PM
dude theirs like 3 links. Just hmu

Camo
12-09-17, 10:53 PM
I downloaded it and sent it to Cricket over that wetransfer site but it didn't work on his phone. every copy i've seen has Hungarian subtitles so you can't even add your own subtitles as it'd be murder attempting to read them with other subtitles on the screen :laugh:

Velvet
12-09-17, 10:54 PM
well frick. Ill look to test it out.

edarsenal
12-09-17, 10:56 PM
The biggest problem seems to be members finding Red Psalm with subtitles.

dude theirs like 3 links. Just hmu
what links where?

Citizen Rules
12-09-17, 10:56 PM
I know of a link for Red Psalm with English subtitles, but it won't stream, and so a browser add on is needed to capture and save the stream, which might not work with mobile phones?

Velvet
12-09-17, 10:58 PM
yeah and theirs a torrent Im checking it out rn

Camo
12-09-17, 11:00 PM
yeah and theirs a torrent Im checking it out rn

Some people don't like downloading. I've got links with english subs you can download, but some don't do that.

Velvet
12-09-17, 11:08 PM
Mr Minio any idea? Is their some good streaming sites for foreign films?

Citizen Rules
12-09-17, 11:09 PM
@Mr Minio (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=72801) any idea? Is their some good streaming sites for foreign films?Velvet have you watched Red Psalm yet? I didn't see if you reviewed it.

Camo
12-09-17, 11:10 PM
Even if you find a copy of it with no subtitles you can add your own in depending on the player...and if you can find working subs i haven't looked yet. Problem is every copy i've seen has Hungarian subs hardcoded in.

Velvet
12-09-17, 11:10 PM
no its a blind nomination for me

Velvet
12-09-17, 11:10 PM
I have subs hit me up

Camo
12-09-17, 11:14 PM
I have subs hit me up

Yes but do you have a link to the film without any subs hardcoded in on a player that allows you to install your own subs?

Velvet
12-09-17, 11:14 PM
no :D

Velvet
12-09-17, 11:15 PM
guys Ill figure it out :)

Velvet
12-09-17, 11:56 PM
guys citizens link works great so do that

Mr Minio
12-10-17, 05:50 AM
Mr Minio any idea? Is their some good streaming sites for foreign films?
Streaming = Plebs
Buying = Rich
Public Torrent Downloading = Pirates
Private Torrent Downloading = Elite

Velvet
12-10-17, 07:34 PM
So is everybody able to use citizens link?

cricket
12-10-17, 07:44 PM
So is everybody able to use citizens link?

It didn't seem to work for me; how about you?

Velvet
12-10-17, 07:48 PM
I had to get an extension like citizen said. It took about 2 minutes to get and then the stream worked fine. I even was even able to download it :). So basically get the extension and everything should work fine

rauldc14
12-10-17, 08:51 PM
no its a blind nomination for me

Seriously? Ugh

Velvet
12-10-17, 08:59 PM
mentioned this alot

edit: why is it a problem to watch a foreign film for once

cricket
12-10-17, 09:05 PM
I had to get an extension like citizen said. It took about 2 minutes to get and then the stream worked fine. I even was even able to download it :). So basically get the extension and everything should work fine

I just don't have a computer but I'll try it on my phone again.

mentioned this alot

edit: why is it a problem to watch a foreign film for once

He doesn't mean because it's foreign; we watch a ton of them.

Camo
12-10-17, 09:09 PM
Red Psalm isn't even the only foreign film in this hall of fame, there's two others.

edarsenal
12-11-17, 01:42 PM
still having trouble too trying to see Red Psalm

Velvet
12-11-17, 01:43 PM
still having trouble too trying to see Red Psalm


did you try the link from citizen

edarsenal
12-11-17, 01:47 PM
sadly, yeah

Velvet
12-11-17, 01:51 PM
sadly, yeah

what happened?

Camo
12-11-17, 01:54 PM
Why haven't you watched it yet Velvet? There's less than a month left. When i blind nominated in the 40's Hall of Fames i watched my nom first. Obviously there's no rule for it just curious why you've waited so close to the deadline.

Velvet
12-11-17, 01:55 PM
Why haven't you watched it yet Velvet? There's less than a month left. When i blind nominated in the 40's Hall of Fames i watched my nom first. Obviously there's no rule for it just curious why you've waited so close to the deadline.


who knows Ive just been saving it and got the others mostly out of the way first

edarsenal
12-11-17, 02:00 PM
what happened?

it lags and freezes up. Can't even get to the opening.

And I'm on a computer, btw

Camo
12-11-17, 02:02 PM
it lags and freezes up. Can't even get to the opening.

And I'm on a computer, btw

If you're on a computer Velvet could download it and send it to you over that website. I would but it takes hours and i already did so for Cricket. That still leaves the problem with phone users though: Cricket and Raul. It doesn't work on a phone.

Camo
12-11-17, 02:05 PM
I think you guys best bet is to just go ahead and learn Hungarian :laugh:

Citizen Rules
12-11-17, 02:11 PM
I think you guys best bet is to just go ahead and learn Hungarian :laugh: I was just going to post that there's not much important in the dialogue, so a person could watch it in Hungarian and get just about as much out of the movie, as you would with English subtitles.

edarsenal
12-11-17, 02:14 PM
well, that still leaves cricket and raul and with the diminishing numbers going on right now, not really sure what to do about this.
Velvet, would you be willing to select another movie, since only CR has actually watched it? One that is easier to locate for everyone?
Only a suggest.

Citizen Rules
12-11-17, 02:15 PM
it lags and freezes up. Can't even get to the opening.

And I'm on a computer, btwSame for me, the movies there always freeze, so I use a browser addon Video Downloadhelper and it captures the entire movie, even when it freezes. Then saves it to my computer where I can play it later, or what I do is then move the file to a USB stick and watch it on my TV.

Velvet
12-11-17, 02:15 PM
I really dont want 2. Ill think about it

Citizen Rules
12-11-17, 02:17 PM
well, that still leaves cricket and raul and with the diminishing numbers going on right now, not really sure what to do about this.
@Velvet (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=98532), would you be willing to select another movie, since only CR has actually watched it? One that is easier to locate for everyone?
Only a suggest.That's fine with me Ed and maybe it is a good solution. But I'm not watching another of Velvet's movies, you can use my score for Red Psalm and apply to his new nom.

Velvet
12-11-17, 02:17 PM
also when people say there are on phone do they mean they dont own a compter?

Velvet
12-11-17, 02:18 PM
maybe Ill quit because I got to watch some fun movies so I liked it but I dont really need to finish it

edarsenal
12-11-17, 02:24 PM
That's fine with me Ed and maybe it is a good solution. But I'm not watching another of Velvet's movies, you can use my score for Red Psalm and apply to his new nom.
let's see where this goes.
maybe Ill quit because I got to watch some fun movies so I liked it but I dont really need to finish it
I'd hate to see that happen. I've enjoyed having you participate.
Take the day to make a decision and I'll respect which ever way you do decide to go.

rauldc14
12-11-17, 02:31 PM
Yeah no offense, I'm not feeling up to the challenge of even attempting to watch Red Psalm.

rauldc14
12-11-17, 02:33 PM
If you're on a computer Velvet could download it and send it to you over that website. I would but it takes hours and i already did so for Cricket. That still leaves the problem with phone users though: Cricket and Raul. It doesn't work on a phone.

I use iPad to watch films, not phone :p

cricket
12-11-17, 02:34 PM
Mark said it's on YouTube with Spanish subtitles. That might not be a bad option. I'd like to try and watch it and I should find a way.

Citizen Rules
12-11-17, 02:35 PM
If Velvet wants to drop out that's fine with me. I'm a little pissed that I had to watch his crappy movie, and he hasn't even watched it yet:rolleyes:

Camo
12-11-17, 02:35 PM
I use iPad to watch films, not phone :p

Dude make up your mind! I've mentioned you using an IPad before and you've corrected me that it was a phone :laugh:

I think that was when you were doing the 50's Countdown though not watching stuff.

rauldc14
12-11-17, 02:35 PM
I'm not watching Spanish subtitles. Forget that.

rauldc14
12-11-17, 02:36 PM
Dude make up your mind! I've mentioned you using an IPad before and you've corrected me that it was a phone :laugh:

I think that was when you were doing the 50's Countdown though not watching stuff.

Correct. I used a phone to do the fifties countdown because it was wayyyyy easier than using an iPad for it.

Camo
12-11-17, 02:37 PM
If Velvet wants to drop out that's fine with me. I'm a little pissed that I had to watch his crappy movie, and he hasn't even watched it yet:rolleyes:

It's amazing that he didn't even watch it, it was only you and Matt. He always says he's going to watch stuff then doesn't, did the same for the Director of the Month. I like him but i won't be joining any Hall of Fames he's in coz i just don't trust he'll actually watch the movie.

cricket Here it is - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Et5D6j543c

rauldc14
12-11-17, 02:39 PM
You can still join the HOFs just don't watch people's you don't think will finish. That's usually what I do and then they drop out.

I'll watch Sorcerer today then I'll just have Investigation of a Citizen Above Suspicion which I still can't find. That will be it if Velvet quits.

cricket
12-11-17, 02:40 PM
You can still join the HOFs just don't watch people's you don't think will finish. That's usually what I do and then they drop out.

I'll watch Sorcerer today then I'll just have Investigation of a Citizen Above Suspicion which I still can't find. That will be it if Velvet quits.

Jeff hasn't been on in 3 weeks

rauldc14
12-11-17, 02:41 PM
Jeff hasn't been on in 3 weeks

Ah, then maybe I'll be done after today.

rauldc14
12-11-17, 02:42 PM
This has actually been a pretty frustrating HOF due to activity. I hate when people join and don't finish.

Camo
12-11-17, 02:43 PM
You can still join the HOFs just don't watch people's you don't think will finish. That's usually what I do and then they drop out.
.

Problem is the vast majority of members that drop out don't do so til very far into the Countdown. I often watch the films right away if i can because i can get randomly very busy so 9 times out of 10 i watch the film that is excluded which is annoying particularly if i don't like it. The only member i remember dropping out voluntarily early was Sean before anyone watched his nom as he knew he wasn't going to finish. The other one was CaptainT, that wasn't voluntarily though i kicked him out of the 13th coz he wasn't answering my PMs despite being online.

Velvet
12-11-17, 02:45 PM
whats with acting like I sucked as a participant. Ive watched most the films :laugh:

rauldc14
12-11-17, 02:47 PM
whats with acting like I sucked as a participant. Ive watched most the films :laugh:

I don't think you sucked, just think you chose a poor nominee IMO.

Camo
12-11-17, 02:48 PM
whats with acting like I sucked as a participant. Ive watched most the films :laugh:

Hilariously you didn't watch two of the foreign films despite trying to admonish members here for not watching foreign films :laugh:

Velvet
12-11-17, 02:54 PM
Why be rude? I was a good member but I think I maybe should quit nobody because can watch my nom

Citizen Rules
12-11-17, 02:57 PM
Problem is the vast majority of members that drop out don't do so til very far into the Countdown...

That's true, and what I found happens is:

People drop out, BUT when the host ask if they're still in?...they don't have the guts to say they've dropped out, but lie instead.

Which then screws everyone over especially the host, as we have to wait tell the very end to find out they did drop out...It happened to me as a host several times.

Camo
12-11-17, 03:18 PM
Why be rude? I was a good member but I think I maybe should quit nobody because can watch my nom

I'm not being rude. Just pointing out it's pretty ironic. If you ask me you were being rude (not to mention wrong) with "what's wrong with watching a foreign film for once", that's what prompted that comment.

I don't care i wasn't part of this and if i was i would have been able to see Red Psalm with subs anyway. I found it funny which is why i included a laugh emoticon.

Camo
12-11-17, 03:24 PM
The other one was CaptainT, .

Actually apologies to CaptainT, i thought it was him in the 13th HoF but i just checked and it was a member called Titu. That member had a Groot avatar and i think you did at one point too which is where the confusion came from. Again sorry, genuine mistake.

edarsenal
12-11-17, 03:44 PM
This IS VERY frustrating across the board.
Velvet HAS watched quite a few and is unfortunate victim of choosing a film that is not available. That is a newbie problem of not checking availability when nominating something. I was guilty of that one myself when I first started joining in on these.
It happens and since people ARE disappearing or not owning up to not finishing, we're all getting pissed off and short tempered about it all.

This has gone from a very sizable HoF to less than 10 participants, but I honestly believe we can cut out the problems and knock this one out.
If Velvet chooses another that is available, I for one will watch it.
Secondly, as this was going on, I got an email from Jeff Costello. He is STILL in and as seen a majority of films with about 3 he hasn't seen.
I forgot to ask him if he had a workable link for his film, but will after posting this so that those of us who haven't seen it, can.
Thirdly, regarding Jay's and Captain's noms: The Sting and Dog Day, the very few of us that haven't watched it and feel like holding off, I am going to be fair and wait til before Christmas to remove them as well. Some time during the week before, most likely.

The rest of us are pretty solid with our noms and viewing, so, even though the sh1t is thick and frustrating, we can still finish this off. There's some great movies VERY worth watching and we HAVE HAD some great discussions about them - which, in the end, is what this is all about.

rauldc14
12-11-17, 03:51 PM
edarsenal you've done a very solid job navigating through this storm! You are a good host and one of my favorite participants.

I think we just need to get back to the no nonsense format for the 15th. Either you are 100% committed, or you are not joining at all.

edarsenal
12-11-17, 04:05 PM
edarsenal you've done a very solid job navigating through this storm! You are a good host and one of my favorite participants.

I think we just need to get back to the no nonsense format for the 15th. Either you are 100% committed, or you are not joining at all.

THANK YOU, rauldc14! That really means a lot to me and I do what I can. I had been a shadow watcher of these HoFs for a bit before finally jumping in and its been great.
And I have enjoyed Hosting, regardless of the troubled waters and pretty sure I will again in the future.

If we could get folks who join to finish, things would be so much better and it is a tricky thing when getting new folks involved. Some do great, others - not so much. It's a tricky thing.
I love Citizen's idea with Virgin HoFs to try folks out and see how they do. Perhaps that may be a Training Ground for folks new to HoFs to see how they do and if it's something they seriously enjoy and wish to join in on.
And then, the General (numbered) Hall of Fames are kept for those who have joined and finished and, perhaps, leave the Specialty HoFs up to the individual Host.

I think I'll link this to the Hall of Fame Organization Thread for further discussion on it.

Velvet
12-11-17, 04:06 PM
Hilariously you didn't watch two of the foreign films despite trying to admonish members here for not watching foreign films :laugh:

if your referring to fantastic planet as one of them I saw it before the hof in theater in 4k :laugh:

Citizen Rules
12-11-17, 04:32 PM
Ed you're doing fine:up: consider this hosting job as a baptism by fire;)...Velvet HAS watched quite a few and is unfortunate victim of choosing a film that is not available. That is a newbie problem of not checking availability when nominating something. I was guilty of that one myself when I first started joining in on these.... I'd say, all the members are responsible for checking for availability for all the noms, as soon as they are reveled. There's no way Velvet, or any one can know if others can't find their movie...

jiraffejustin
12-11-17, 04:41 PM
How many people had trouble finding Velvet's movie? Is it really that hard to find?

Camo
12-11-17, 04:43 PM
if your referring to fantastic planet as one of them I saw it before the hof in theater in 4k :laugh:

Investigation of a Citizen Above Suspicion is Italian.

Camo
12-11-17, 04:44 PM
How many people had trouble finding Velvet's movie? Is it really that hard to find?

Cricket, Raul and Ed. It's out there but i could only find it with subtitles of other languages already embedded in meaning you couldn't even add your own subtitles. The only other options was downloading and some people don't do that.

Mr Minio
12-11-17, 04:44 PM
Is it really that hard to find? No, if you know where to look.

Velvet
12-11-17, 04:48 PM
Investigation of a Citizen Above Suspicion is Italian.

you said I hadn't seen the two other foreign films so I pointed out I had seen one. And yes Citizen Above Suspicion is Italian didn't really need that repeated :laugh:

Camo
12-11-17, 04:50 PM
you said I hadn't seen the two other foreign films so I pointed out I had seen one. And yes Citizen Above Suspicion is Italian didn't really need that repeated :laugh:

Dude, Red Psalm, Citizen Above and Fantastic Planet are THREE foreign films. So if you had seen only one: Fantastic Planet, then you hadn't seen the other two: Red Psalm and Citizen Above.

Do keep up :laugh:

Mr Minio
12-11-17, 04:52 PM
I'm not from the US, so every film from USA is foreign for me, too. WHAT NOW?!

Camo
12-11-17, 04:55 PM
Dude, Red Psalm, Citizen Above and Fantastic Planet are THREE foreign films. So if you had seen only one: Fantastic Planet, then you hadn't seen the other two: Red Psalm and Citizen Above.

Do keep up :laugh:

Also i didn't even say two of the other foreign films. I said two of the foreign films:

Hilariously you didn't watch two of the foreign films despite trying to admonish members here for not watching foreign films :laugh:

Velvet
12-11-17, 05:00 PM
my mistake

Velvet
12-12-17, 01:26 PM
because of the great host ed is I would like to finish. I think I can upload my download of red psalm to youtube and link it to you guys. If this dosnet work I will hopefully nominate a new film

edarsenal
12-12-17, 01:47 PM
THANKS Velvet!!

rauldc14
12-12-17, 02:56 PM
Sorcerer

I was kind of intrigued by the first half of the film, but ultimately the film continued to have me losing my interest. Perhaps it was because I already had seen The Wages of Fear and was constantly thinking of it as a comparison between the two. Now ultimately I wasn't a huge fan of either. My favorite scenes would be the trucks crossing the bridge, they were pretty tense scenes if nothing else. I wish I liked it more but when I was analyzing everything I couldn't think of much that I would rate more than average personally, thus my rating for the film being what it is. Sorry Cricket. I think the biggest thing was that it wasn't really able to highlight the characters and was more focused on the story itself. For me, that was a bummer, but I guess it could work for others.

2.5

Velvet
12-12-17, 03:02 PM
Eraserhead

Eraserhead is a 1977 film by director David Lynch. The film mostly focuses on the surreal events that take place in the life of our main character Henry.

Personal reaction: I happened to have watched eraserhead just this year. It was I believe 11 o'clock and I was all alone. Long story short it was unnerving. Eraserhead indulges so heavy into its world of constant anxiety and distress and through this indulgence it effectively creates a thick atmosphere that is easy to be immersed in. One of the reasons eraserhead is able to create such emotions such as anxiety and distress is because it is unrelenting in its approach. Never does Eraserhead give you a break, every scene whether through imagery or sound design has a common goal of evoking certain emotions. It's a film that works quite well as an experience and a look into another world, A world where unease rains supreme.


3.5/5

edarsenal
12-12-17, 03:05 PM
great little reviews!
I'll be back this evening to comment in more detail regarding them.

Joel
12-12-17, 03:14 PM
I'm not from the US, so every film from USA is foreign for me, too. WHAT NOW?!

Bad boys 2 a foreign film

Mr Minio
12-12-17, 03:42 PM
Bad boys 2 a foreign film As funny as it sounds, it is to me! And Kieślowski is not foreign!

Joel
12-12-17, 06:55 PM
As funny as it sounds, it is to me! And Kieślowski is not foreign!

shlt just got real...

edarsenal
12-12-17, 08:47 PM
sorry to hear, Sorcerer didn't work for ya, rauldc14. I do see what you mean regarding watching one film and then spending time comparing. It can put you off.

and Velvet, saying Eraserhead is "an experience" is very apropos. That's definitely what I got out of it as well.

Velvet
12-12-17, 08:52 PM
so not counting redrum and captaint im 6/9 and only need to see f is for fake, red psalm, and investigation of a citizen.

think thats right

edarsenal
12-12-17, 10:50 PM
so not counting redrum and captaint im 6/9 and only need to see f is for fake, red psalm, and investigation of a citizen.

think thats right

that's correct

Velvet
12-13-17, 08:04 AM
https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=35814

just came across this thread. Im sure its interesting for people who watch Fantastic Planet

Velvet
12-13-17, 01:36 PM
btw the red psalm problem is fixed!

rauldc14
12-13-17, 01:39 PM
Cool. I will watch it next week.

Citizen Rules
12-13-17, 01:43 PM
btw the red psalm problem is fixed!PM the link, I've already seen it but I want to see the quality of it.

Velvet
12-13-17, 01:46 PM
ill pm everybody in the hof the link when I get home

Camo
12-13-17, 01:46 PM
We'll have to do the same thing for Velvets nom in the Women's Countdown as it's not available streaming from what i can see at least, with or without subs. Of course it will be sorted before it starts.

Camo
12-13-17, 01:47 PM
ill pm everybody in the hof the link when I get home

I'll PM them it.

Velvet
12-13-17, 01:49 PM
I'll PM them it.

ty :up:

Camo
12-13-17, 01:51 PM
Sent it to Cricket, Citizen, Raul and Ed. Not sure if the others are in or what if they are then one of you can send it to them.

edarsenal
12-13-17, 03:24 PM
PM the link, I've already seen it but I want to see the quality of it.
I'll send it right now to you. I had sent it to everyone who hadn't watched it when Velvet sent it to me yesterday evening.
ill pm everybody in the hof the link when I get home

Once again, THANK YOU Velvet for taking the time and getting that on youtube and PMing it to me. Haven't watched it but it definitely looks like a really great version with subtitles.
Gonna find some time in the next couple of days to check it out.
THANKS!!!

And like I said in PM to you, Camo -- THANKS. Everyone who hasn't seen it, I PMed it to. Though, since I have my doubts about Jay Redrum and CaptainT staying in the HoF I didn't send them one.
I also forgot to post an announcement last night and publicly thanking Velvet for stepping up like he did.

Also, Jeff Costello, being VERY cool and extraordinarily PATIENT with my dumb @ss sent me a copy of Investigations with subs which worked brilliantly after I downloaded a GOM viewer. So, for those still unable to locate it, and since I'm not sure what the proper etiquette is for such things, that may be a solution for some.
THANK YOU JEFF!!!!!

Velvet
12-13-17, 04:25 PM
just put investigation on hold :) and Ill hopefully watch psalm over the weekend

HashtagBrownies
12-13-17, 05:57 PM
39192

I guess you could say it was impressive it was done in only 26 shots. The direction is really bland, the camera basically only points at things that are happening and moves along with it. The script is really boring, considering most of it is just the peasants singing and dancing or talking about socialism. It does an atrocious effort at trying to get us to sympathize with the peasants, so yeah I didn’t care for anything in the movie. There’s a biblical reference that is so obvious it’s hilarious. The actors might as well have been robots and I wouldn’t have noticed the difference. There’s this thing where they trap people by making themselves into a circle and it seems very silly and childish. Also when the dude near the end got shot like 50 times but he didn’t flinch, his guitar was still intact and he only had one drop of blood on him, I face palmed so hard I have a nosebleed. There are about one or two really good scenes but that’s about it.

3 (It would've been 2.5 if it weren't for the music)

HashtagBrownies
12-13-17, 05:57 PM
Also, thanks for the link Velvet.

Citizen Rules
12-13-17, 10:21 PM
HashtagBrownies glad:) you were able to watch Red Psalm! I was beginning to think I'd be the only one:eek:

Camo
12-13-17, 10:33 PM
I was beginning to think I'd be the only one:eek:

Matt did too...then immediately dropped out :laugh:

edarsenal
12-14-17, 02:11 AM
I forgot one more THANK YOU to Citizen Rules for coming up with the excellent idea for Velvet to upload his nom on youtube for us all!!

THANKS CR!!

as Sundance said to Butch Cassidy : "You keep on thinking, Butch. That's what you're good at." :)

Citizen Rules
12-14-17, 12:31 PM
I'm going to knock off the last few movies and do their write ups, so that I can send in my voting list. I hope to watch one tonight:)

Mr Minio
12-14-17, 01:36 PM
Also when the dude near the end got shot like 50 times but he didn’t flinch, his guitar was still intact and he only had one drop of blood on him, I face palmed so hard I have a nosebleed. There are about one or two really good scenes but that’s about it. Demand realism from poetic cinema and you're gonna have a bad time. Besides, I'm again forced to paste it: Yes, the movie is torture. For xenophobic Hollywood drone slaves, who reduce all films to a common denominator, demand to identify with heroes, are unable to accept the original vision of the artist, and run away screaming from unusual camera angles. No surprise - the film surpasses their capacity of cognition. Let them not get their noses out of their beloved Dream Factory, there is a cozy and safe place, nobody challenges or forces anyone to reflect.

Mr Minio
12-14-17, 02:04 PM
The rant is a joke. No sweat, stay crunchy!

EDIT:
Anyway some people here need to get some minimal cultural education in the fact that not everybody in he world is a brainwashed hollywood drone and so some people might not praise any piece of garbage that the US movie industry pumps out to the high heavens. One of MovieForum's greatest classics.

HashtagBrownies
12-14-17, 02:31 PM
The rant is a joke. No sweat, stay crunchy!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0Mxj_hXWlw

Mr Minio
12-14-17, 02:56 PM
Two people used a Rosen reaction video! I'm victorious!

edarsenal
12-14-17, 03:59 PM
The rant is a joke. No sweat, stay crunchy!

EDIT:
One of MovieForum's greatest classics.
that's cool.
You're welcome to post a review of the movie if ya like. Would love some insight before venturing into this one.
There's been a couple of movies that a little guidance does wonders for me. I remember reading CosmicRunaway's thoughts on her 40s nomination, Murderers Are Among Us and it really helped me to thoroughly enjoy the film on far more levels than if I simply went into blind. To the point that I'd wait for her reviews to sit back and enjoy her films.

In the 12th with Hiroshima Mon Amour I stopped in mid point and read a pretty amazing, informative excerpt by mark f and if I had read it BEFORE watching, it would have done wonders for me.

So, yeah, if ya care to put a few thoughts in a post, Minio, this lil "drone" would love to read it.:)

Mr Minio
12-14-17, 04:24 PM
No deep thoughts about this one! This is a short review I wrote a couple of years ago (tried using as much fancy vocabulary as possible):

Built of only 25 long takes Miklós Jancsó's luxuriant tour de force Még kér a nép is a cornucopia of vivid colours, poetic nudity and succulent symbolism. With a big dose of Communist anthems and specific choreography it becomes a pean in the name of brotherhood and solidarity. Simply put it's awesome and you have to watch it!

Velvet
12-14-17, 04:29 PM
I nominated this because minio

Mr Minio
12-14-17, 04:35 PM
I nominated this because minio Psychofan!

edarsenal
12-14-17, 08:03 PM
No deep thoughts about this one! This is a short review I wrote a couple of years ago (tried using as much fancy vocabulary as possible):

thanks, I'm gonna try to see this, this weekend.

Camo
12-14-17, 08:50 PM
Yam12 watched Red Psalm earlier according to Letterboxd. He must have loved it, gave it 5.

Velvet
12-14-17, 08:51 PM
really I expected a 0 stars. Thats quite nice

Velvet
12-14-17, 08:53 PM
oh yikes nice joke

Yam12
12-14-17, 09:04 PM
@Yam12 (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=95772) watched Red Psalm earlier according to Letterboxd. He must have loved it, gave it rating_5.

Yeah mate, absolute masterpiece. Instant top 10.

Mr Minio
12-15-17, 01:30 AM
thanks, I'm gonna try to see this, this weekend. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTsPdivH4BI
Yeah mate, absolute masterpiece. Instant top 10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKSlTBPcrYo

cricket
12-15-17, 09:54 AM
Red Psalm

https://arnesflix.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/mc3a9g-kc3a9r-a-nc3a9p-002.png

2.5

Not bad especially since it only runs 80 minutes. I didn't think there was much artistic to it for an "art" film. The big deal seems to be the multiple long takes. Other directors like Scorsese or DePalma can incorporate long takes with other techniques. Filming it in this manner makes the film seem gimmicky and the director a one trick pony. If you really want to impress me then do the whole movie in one take. With the singular location it comes off as a play anyway. That doesn't mean I don't think the director did a nice job. The movie doesn't exactly have a cast of thousands but still there is strong cohesion. There is a lot of symbolism, not something that impresses me. I did enjoy the movie. I read somewhere that it was very poetic and I would agree with that. All of the music and dances were done with great symmetry. Speaking of the music, I enjoyed the songs and they were essential to the whole thing. I also thought the story had a little bit of power with what it was and how it was executed. I do think it's a limited movie. Someone who is easily pleased may love it.

Velvet
12-15-17, 09:58 AM
cant wait to watch this film

cricket
12-15-17, 10:08 AM
I didn't think it was bad, and I liked it as an outside the box nomination.

Citizen Rules
12-15-17, 12:56 PM
https://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=39234&stc=1&d=1513357232


One heck of a good time movie that's powered by the charismatic performances of it's two leads, Robert Redford and Paul Newman.

Two likeable grifters...aka con man, undertake one helluva complicated scam...aka the sting. The target...aka the mark, is Robert Shaw a ruthless rackets boss who's grown rich on illegal horse race betting...aka book making, during the depression of 1936.

The story which follows the con is complicated and even though I've seen it twice, the amount of twist and turns the movie takes is still impressive. Make sure you're not distracted during the movie as you need all of your brain power to follow this brilliant script written by David S. Ward.

The sets, both the exteriors which made use of some traveling mattes to give Chicago the look of 1936...and the interiors which are chalked full of what looked like authentic props and set dressings, were a thing of visual beauty and put me in the mind of the depression era.

But a hunk of credit must go to Robert Redford in one of his most personable roles, Redford's colorful Johnny Hooker makes this movie so darn likable.

Mr Minio
12-15-17, 03:00 PM
Red Psalm

2.5

Yes, the movie is torture. For xenophobic Hollywood drone slaves, who reduce all films to a common denominator, demand to identify with heroes, are unable to accept the original vision of the artist, and run away screaming from unusual camera angles. No surprise - the film surpasses their capacity of cognition. Let them not get their noses out of their beloved Dream Factory, there is a cozy and safe place, nobody challenges or forces anyone to reflect.

xDDD

edarsenal
12-15-17, 04:05 PM
regarding Red Psalm, cricket when stealing a peek at it I did catch a snippet of music and I'm sure I'll be agreeing about enjoying the folk music of it.

And very happy to hear how much you enjoyed The Sting, Citizen Rules and taking the time to mention it even with the probable chance of Jay Redrum not continuing. I knew how much you'd enjoy the sets and props, and, yes, it really does set you in the proper frame of the time period.

Citizen Rules
12-16-17, 12:26 PM
...And very happy to hear how much you enjoyed The Sting, @Citizen Rules (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=84637) and taking the time to mention it even with the probable chance of Jay Redrum not continuing. I knew how much you'd enjoy the sets and props, and, yes, it really does set you in the proper frame of the time period.Sadly there were no refrigerators to be seen:(:p

I'm going to try and watch another one tonight. Then I will rewatch The Warriors the original theatrical cut:up:

cricket
12-16-17, 01:21 PM
Kramer vs Kramer

http://images4.static-bluray.com/reviews/1026_3.jpg

I believe this was my third time watching this with the last time being about 20 years ago in a bar. I've always thought it was a great movie, and although my opinion has gone down slightly, I still think it's a fantastic film. I scanned some of the conversations in the thread about it but didn't read them in detail. They don't seem to make actors like Hoffman and Streep anymore. These days everybody needs to look like they're ready for the next superhero film. It was actors like these that could make movies like these relatable to the average person. I don't think it's the very best work from either of them although it's splitting hairs since they're both brilliant. Most of the movie works but I feel there are moments that feel forced. One notable example would be the breakfast scene. I thought it was interesting and maybe not for the best the way Streep's character was portrayed; loving and decent, yet somewhat unbalanced mentally. At least that's the way I saw her, and I would have rather the character been a more obviously strong and intelligent woman. I think it's apparent that his initial issue is taking his family for granted by putting his work before them. I've never had kids, but as far as I know, women always had the edge when it came to custody battles, something I think may have evened out in more recent years. Because of this, I thought giving Hoffman's character the edge in mental stability was important as it showed the edge that women always got in these matters. I liked the last scene with her decision. I agree that an alternative ending could have been more powerful, but I thought the actual ending sent a great message. Putting the best interest of the child is always the right thing to do, no matter how painful it may be.

3.5+

cricket
12-16-17, 01:22 PM
I have Citizen Under Suspicion on top of the queue for next weekend unless someone has a good link to send me:)

rauldc14
12-16-17, 09:16 PM
I'll watch Red Psalm soon.

Yam12
12-16-17, 09:18 PM
edarsenal

What's the news on Dog Day Afternoon. Just asking as I have 3 films left including that one, and am wondering if I should see it or not.

I'll also need a link to Citizen under Suspicion so it'd be great if someone could help me out with a link for that.

edarsenal
12-17-17, 12:37 AM
edarsenal

What's the news on Dog Day Afternoon. Just asking as I have 3 films left including that one, and am wondering if I should see it or not.

I'll also need a link to Citizen under Suspicion so it'd be great if someone could help me out with a link for that.

both dog day afternoon and the sting are still in limbo till the week before christmas, somewhere around monday or tuesday, Dec 18 or 19 if we don't hear anything from CaptainT or Jay Redrum I'll pull them from the list.

Citizen Rules
12-17-17, 01:41 PM
https://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=39299&stc=1&d=1513530221

Eraserhead

The unrequited consequences of an unwanted pregnancy. David Lynch imparts a claustrophobic feeling of utter hopelessness, as the helpless couple are trapped by the horrors of parenthood...which is thrust upon them in a most unexpected manner.

The unprepared couple are ill equipped to live in the real world, instead they sequester themselves into their own personal solitary confinement and grow stranger by the minute.

Through the expert control of subdued and focused lighting, combined with underexposing black & white film stock, Lynch creates layers of atmosphere, that transforms Eraserhead from a mere movie, to a film that is on par with the expressionistic painter, Edvard Munch.

With visions of things that might be...he sees a young woman dancing on a stage, when he blankly stares at the sweltering radiator...her future existences hangs in balance, with his decision. She's the daughter he can choose to have, or throw away.

This young woman, like most of us, only wants to be accepted for who she is. Her heart is light and she loves her father and needs but one thing, his love in return. But can he give it?

I'm impressed with this film...It's a major accomplishment for a young director's first feature length film...I could write a novel about this movie...as there's a lot to take in.

The score which was flat out brilliant, did much for creating tension, seemingly out of thin air. The actors too, while not having many lines really imparted a sense of foreboding doom, just by the looks on their faces.

rating_4

edarsenal
12-17-17, 02:46 PM
Hats off to anybody who sees the brilliance in Eraserhead.... I'm just not one of them.
Doc wrote this after I posted my review, but, after reading yours, Citizen Rules, this accolade belongs to you. BRAVO

Jay Redrum
12-17-17, 03:50 PM
Just wanna drop by and say I'm still here and will be finishing. Just fighting through final exams at the moment hoping to get a review up for fantastic planet later today

Yam12
12-17-17, 04:12 PM
Citizen Rules

Nice to see you enjoyed Eraserhead. Have you seen any other Lynch movies, and if so, what did you think of them?

rauldc14
12-17-17, 04:33 PM
Just wanna drop by and say I'm still here and will be finishing. Just fighting through final exams at the moment hoping to get a review up for fantastic planet later today

Cool!

rauldc14
12-17-17, 04:34 PM
Citizen Rules

Nice to see you enjoyed Eraserhead. Have you seen any other Lynch movies, and if so, what did you think of them?

I'm not CR, but Eraserhead And Elephant Man are the two I've seen I like. Don't like Wild at Heart or Mulholland Dr.

Citizen Rules
12-17-17, 05:31 PM
@Citizen Rules (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=84637)

Nice to see you enjoyed Eraserhead. Have you seen any other Lynch movies, and if so, what did you think of them?
I haven't seen too many of Lynch's films. That was a first time watch of Eraserhead. I'm one of the few fans of Dune, but only the theatrical cut, not the extended and censored version that most people watch.

I seen Blue Velvet & The Elephant Man, both so long ago I can't remember a damn thing about them. Though I remember being impressed with The Elephant Man.

And seen The Straight Story, which I liked.

Camo
12-17-17, 06:00 PM
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Eraserhead
rating_4

Holy crap never expected that rating from you. Glad you liked it and good review.

edarsenal
12-17-17, 10:38 PM
Just wanna drop by and say I'm still here and will be finishing. Just fighting through final exams at the moment hoping to get a review up for fantastic planet later today

that is EXCELLENT news, Jay!
I was feeling pretty terrible about all the great movies that were disappearing from this HoF.
I'll adjust the front page regarding your nom: The Sting.
GOOD LUCK with your exams!

As for Lynch, I'm with Citizen Rules regarding the theatrical version of Dune. The extended version actually cuts out some pretty intense scenes with the Baron which I always thought was a very bad move even though the extended fills you in on a lot of the worlds of Dune.
And of course, Elephant Man is very impressive film for me.

Citizen Rules
12-17-17, 11:27 PM
I'm done and sent in my voting list. I'm still going to do a write up on my own nom, The Warriors. I've enjoyed the movies! which made it super hard to decided on a voting list.

edarsenal
12-17-17, 11:28 PM
https://oneperfectshot.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/citizenabove.jpg?w=1280


Indagine su un cittadino al di sopra di ogni sospetto aka Investigation of a Citizen Above Suspicion

Before starting, THANK YOU Jeff Costello for your assistance in me being able to watch this in the Criterion Collection version.

SPOILERS

This had an extraordinary balance of police drama infused with a subtle surreal symbolism. Not to mention the powerful raging old school testosterone, Italian Style was a fun little treat. Also, the music reminded me of a lot of Crime dramas/Suspense movies back in the day that would use variations of Marconne's pulsating soundtrack to infer psychological tension.

Like any good police film, we begin with the murder itself. But there is a twist. There is something more going on which is played upon with continual flashbacks that explains Augusta's query: "How will you kill me this time?" And he tells her, before they climb under the sheets and the murder transpires.
What occurs next is something new. Instead of covering up any evidence, he leaves them. Fingerprints, threads from his blue tie on her fingernail, purposely stepping in the puddle of blood and making sure he leaves definitive footprints, then eyeballing a witness to place him there at the gate of the apartment building.

WTF?

Well, we quickly learn that our murderer is the Chief of Homicide who has just been promoted to Chief of Political (Investigation?) and, no, he is not a homicidal murderer. There is a bigger, social statement to be made here. As the title infers.
Regarding those Above Suspicion and how stations of power are given a blind eye to what they do regardless of how blatantly they show themselves to BE the one that should be investigated.
We get an intimate ride along as this thesis is played out to its final outcome, with our murderer aiding, directing and literally waving his guilt in front of his subordinates to see while bullying them at the same time.
All of this occurs with an equal measure of flashbacks as we get to see the woman who inspires such an arrogant and very feasible scenario of him committing any crime and getting away with it. Not because of any cleverness, but simply because of WHO he is.

And that, my friends is the very lifeblood of this film that kept my attention and my curiosity throughout the entirety of its running time. A truly intriguing film and, yet another film I would never had got to seen if it wasn't for it being nominated here. THANKS Jeff Costello!!

edarsenal
12-17-17, 11:40 PM
I'm done and sent in my voting list. I'm still going to do a write up on my own nom, The Warriors. I've enjoyed the movies! which made it super hard to decided on a voting list.

Curious to see that review, did you find a theatrical version to watch?

Citizen Rules
12-17-17, 11:40 PM
Curious to see that review, did you find a theatrical version to watch?Yes I did.

Jay Redrum
12-18-17, 06:06 PM
Fantastic Planet(1973)
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Directed By: René Laloux
What a weird movie. I don't mean that in a bad way it was amazing. It was so interesting to watch. I think the clear attractions of this film are the illustrations and the interesting look at the human race. I really like the amount of craftsmanship you can see in this movie. Its hard for me to say much about the movie besides that fact that it is just REALLY interesting to watch. There were a few moments I was lost at how certain scenes pertained to the film but the aspects of the plot that were more concrete were easy to follow. I loved the music in the movie, I think sometimes there could have been a more diverse sounds to set certain scenes better but most of the time it worked well. I wouldn't say this is a movie I'll be adding to my Blu ray collection any time soon but it was still a great watch.

CaptainT
12-18-17, 06:22 PM
Hey everyone! :)

I really don't want to drop out of this HOF, so I'm still going to try to finish this!
I'm sorry that I didn't get the chance to review films for this sooner, but I've been really busy lately.
Even though I haven't posted any reviews for this yet, I've seen four films for this so far and I'll try to post my reviews on those as soon as possible!
During the holidays I'll also have a lot of free time in which I can finish watching all the other movies for this.

I hope that I can still stay in the HOF. I've discovered some really good films because of this so far and I'm really looking forward to watching all the other films too!

CaptainT
12-18-17, 06:22 PM
F For Fake

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Before I watched this movie I didn't know much about it, so when I started watching I didn't really know what it was about. In the beginning, I thought that I wouldn't really like it, but after I started to understand it better it exceeded my expectations. Orson Welles told some fascinating stories in this film, while also incorporating the trickery in the storytelling, instead of it just being the subject of the film and on top of that, there were some great monologues form Orson Welles. I liked the story about Picasso and Kodar the best and I also really liked the ending.

Velvet
12-18-17, 07:00 PM
gonna pick up investigation and watch it if I can get over my ocd problems

edarsenal
12-18-17, 07:38 PM
Hey everyone! :)

I really don't want to drop out of this HOF, so I'm still going to try to finish this!
I'm sorry that I didn't get the chance to review films for this sooner, but I've been really busy lately.
Even though I haven't posted any reviews for this yet, I've seen four films for this so far and I'll try to post my reviews on those as soon as possible!
During the holidays I'll also have a lot of free time in which I can finish watching all the other movies for this.

I hope that I can still stay in the HOF. I've discovered some really good films because of this so far and I'm really looking forward to watching all the other films too!

sounds like you got a nice chunk so far, so DEFINITELY, if you feel you can make the January 12 Deadline, I'd love that you stayed in, THANKS captain!

I'll adjust the numbers on the front page later this evening and link up your review. :)

rauldc14
12-18-17, 07:52 PM
That's random for Captain T to just pop in like that.

Looks like I've another to see.

edarsenal
12-18-17, 09:35 PM
That's random for Captain T to just pop in like that.

Looks like I've another to see.

yeah, but it's a good'un lol

Citizen Rules
12-18-17, 10:45 PM
I hope Captain T stays in, Dog Day Afternoon was one of my favorite films, out of a group of great noms.

Jay Redrum
12-18-17, 11:04 PM
Kramer vs. Kramer (1979)
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Directed By: Robert Benton

I loved this movie. I'm a big fan of Dustin Hoffman and his performance here was incredible. I've seen (as I'm sure many of you have) lots of movies that have the premise of the runaway dad/single mother thing going on, but this was a refreshing different perspective. I love the arc that Hoffman's character goes through and the way he has to adapt his parenting to care for his child in such devastating circumstances. I think the writing was handled really well and you could really fell for all the characters, you understood their actions and felt sympathy. The one thing that blew me away was the child actor who played the son, it wasn't an Oscar winning performance but it was convincing nonetheless. I normally find movies that handle this kind of subject matter are often very heavy handed with no subtlety, there is at least one scene I remember with almost no dialogue in it yet you understand the complexity of the situation. I don't know if there was anything that stood out to me as a negative aspect I genuinely found myself so caught up in the characters I didn't have much time to be super critical. Really glad I had a reason to watch this.

edarsenal
12-18-17, 11:10 PM
quite agree, Jay Redrum, the little boy did a great job at simply BEING a kid.

matt72582
12-19-17, 10:26 AM
1:24am - Three Days of the Condor - STZAC

rauldc14
12-19-17, 10:56 AM
Red Psalm

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Hot garbage is the term I would use to describe this movie. It did absolutely nothing good. It did nothing for my soul, nothing for my mind, nothing for my spirit. I try to think of redeeming qualities for films that I even dislike, but I am coming up empty handed on this one. This director has made a failure of a film in my eyes, but the positive on it is that at least it's another film that I can say belongs in my bottom 10. This certainly gives Platform a run for it's money. On the contrary, there are obviously those who like it. It's actually in the 1001 movies you must see before you die. I would feel ashamed if this were the last movie I watched on earth, knowing my last 80 minutes of film watching were completely wasted.

0

A flat out zero.

Velvet
12-19-17, 10:59 AM
im itching to see it but cant find time too :(

Jay Redrum
12-19-17, 02:40 PM
Damn by the looks of it Red Psalm is not going to be fun for me to watch

Jay Redrum
12-19-17, 02:57 PM
Whats Up Doc (1972)
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Directed By: Peter Bogdanovich
I enjoyed this movie but I really don't have a lot to say about it. I fell the same way about many comedies from this era. I love the jokes but its something that its hard for me to define, or really discuss. I have a similar problem with Airplane!, whenever I attempt to explain why the movie is good I fail but once I show other people the movie they get it. I think that in itself if is why the comedy in these movies is so good, it doesn't come across the same if you're not literally seeing it. A comedy from the last decade or so often has jokes that can be retold outside of the film that can have similar comedic affect because they're such low hanging fruit. I don't want to come across as ****ting on new comedies I have seen some that I don't mind and often they're still entertaining, I just think the movies that came out in the 70's and early 80's had a charm about them that we've kind of lost. Sorry for the tangent. I thought this was a really well done, somewhat romantic comedy. I had a blast putting it on and watching it with a friend or two.

rauldc14
12-19-17, 03:01 PM
Glad to see you back in the game Jay.

Joel
12-19-17, 03:09 PM
Damn man, im dreading red psalm. Maybe ill love it

rauldc14
12-19-17, 04:34 PM
Damn man, im dreading red psalm. Maybe ill love it

There's certainly people who love it. I was flabbergasted to see it in my 1001 movies book. I thought it was a lie.

Jay Redrum
12-19-17, 05:17 PM
Red Psalm (1972)
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Directed By: Miklós Jancsó
Nope. I really didn't enjoy this movie. I was genuinely kind of intrigued at the start because I thought something interesting might happen. As the movie progressed I felt confused I don't think I understood most of what was going on in the movie. I get what the main plot was but not how many of the scenes pertained to what was going on. This could just be my fault and not the film makers but that made it harder to get. I liked a lot of the singing and musical aspects, and I think some of the imagery was interesting. I don't understand the nudity in the film I don't know if it was supposed to mean something but I didn't get it. Anyways happy to have this one finished and ready to move on. I apologize to anyone who enjoys this movie, don't want this to be taken as me hating on the movie, I just didn't get it, not for me.

Mr Minio
12-19-17, 06:14 PM
Red Psalm

Hot garbage Yes, the movie is hot garbage. For xenophobic Hollywood drone slaves, who reduce all films to a common denominator, demand to identify with heroes, are unable to accept the original vision of the artist, and run away screaming from unusual camera angles. No surprise - the film surpasses their capacity of cognition. Let them not get their noses out of their beloved Dream Factory, there is a cozy and safe place, nobody challenges or forces anyone to reflect.

rauldc14
12-19-17, 06:17 PM
Yes, the movie is hot garbage. For xenophobic Hollywood drone slaves, who reduce all films to a common denominator, demand to identify with heroes, are unable to accept the original vision of the artist, and run away screaming from unusual camera angles. No surprise - the film surpasses their capacity of cognition. Let them not get their noses out of their beloved Dream Factory, there is a cozy and safe place, nobody challenges or forces anyone to reflect.

Nah, there's plenty of non Hollywood movies that I like and enjoy, (Sansho, Bergman films etc.) but this sure as hell isn't one of them. Not to mention that nothing interesting happens in this damn film.

Mr Minio
12-19-17, 06:29 PM
Not to mention that nothing interesting happens in this damn film.

Red Psalm is based around a series of peasant uprisings that occurred between 1890 and 1910 after the founding of the Social Democratic Party. Jancsó and Hernádi were also influenced by the views of the historian Desző Nagy, who argued that songs, dances, and popular folklore had formed an important part in these risings. The original title of the film translates as The People Still Demand, taken from a line from a poem by Sándor Petöfi. Petöfi (1823-49) had promoted the idea that the peasantry were the most significant part of the nation, called attention to the conditions of serfdom, and suggested a culture based on folklore.

Ideologically, Jancsó has linked himself to the traditions of ‘revolutionary’ film-making by rejecting the traditional story film. “A story, if the film is a good one, carries the spectator away on its wings, it is an evasion”. Jancsó’s films, on the contrary, encourage an active engagement. “…while the film is being projected the spectator racks his brains trying to order the things he is seeing, he sees himself obliged to, he is active” (Jancsó). He also saw his style as being particularly attuned to the “movement of ideas”.

Unlike many examples of revolutionary cinema, Red Psalm offers a positive aesthetic experience. It is attractive on a superficial level in that its men – and especially women – are predominantly young and attractive, colour is used with clarity and purity, and the dances and songs, regardless of their nominal subjects, are consistently invigorating. The film’s walking choreography presents a variety of dramatic shapes – the geometry of circles and squares, the links and movements of individuals between groups. The movement of people combines with the movement of the camera and the apparent movement of the zoom lens. “It seems to me that life is in continual movement…It’s physical and it’s also philosophical: the contradiction is founded on movement, the movement of ideas, the movement of the masses…A man also is always surrounded, threatened by oppression: the camera movements I create suggest that too”. (Jancsó) Yvette Biró, who worked as dramaturgist on the film, noted in reference to Red Psalm: “Jancsó’s pictorial style might be characterised as calligraphic, entailing a profound tension between identification and aesthetic distance. A cult of beauty, a consciousness of form dominates the images. But the beauty is always contrasted with destruction and death…The more beauty and harmony become powerful realities, the more their ruin is painful”. (Biró, 1979)

While Red Psalm now seems in some respects a film from another era, a time when both sides in the Cold War at least had some vision of a just society, its relevance has not disappeared. The triumph of ‘Neo-Liberalism’ and economic laissez-faire, where classes and nations are at the mercy of international market speculation, where international corporations hold more wealth than nation states, has created a new brand of oppression. Commenting on the transition from ‘Communism’ post-1989, Jancsó noted the sense of rejuvenation following the departure of the Russians – but also somewhat surprisingly that the ‘greatness’ of the transition lay in the fact that it “… showed us the world as it really is. Eighty per cent of humans live under the poverty level, the rest, twenty per cent, own and control everything. Under the previous regime, we did not have a chance to experience this in its raw brutality” (Jancsó, 2011). Towards the end of Red Psalm, one of the characters remarks, “I know that we cannot achieve our aims”. Nonetheless, one might argue, the hopes, the dreams, and the sacrifices continue to offer the prospect of change.

:)

Mr Minio
12-19-17, 06:36 PM
PS: Jia Zhangke's Platform is a masterpiece as well. :)

edarsenal
12-19-17, 08:06 PM
I appreciate your rant, Jay Redrum about comparing movies from 70s/80s to recent ones. And do agree on it as well. Not easy to "describe" a comedy, you have to watch it, especially with all the sight gags that went on. Even a lot of the clever dialogue pays off due to the delivery,

rauldc14
12-19-17, 08:26 PM
PS: Jia Zhangke's Platform is a masterpiece as well. :)

You are wrong :)

rauldc14
12-19-17, 08:36 PM
And just because stuff happens doesn't mean it's interesting :laugh:

Anyways, it's an obvious last place finish in this HOF as well, although it may be your favorite.

Jay Redrum
12-19-17, 08:52 PM
Yes, the movie is hot garbage. For xenophobic Hollywood drone slaves, who reduce all films to a common denominator, demand to identify with heroes, are unable to accept the original vision of the artist, and run away screaming from unusual camera angles. No surprise - the film surpasses their capacity of cognition. Let them not get their noses out of their beloved Dream Factory, there is a cozy and safe place, nobody challenges or forces anyone to reflect.
Why? just why????

Mr Minio
12-20-17, 08:43 AM
I have long given up discussing art cinema with ignorant members of this forum. I decided not to waste any more of my time and energy on wanton quarrels. The majority of this forum is American, which shows how xenophobic Americans are. They're obviously ignorant of J̶a̶p̶a̶n̶e̶s̶e̶ Hungarian visual culture. Statistically speaking, 99.73% of population is spiritually bare and can't experience catharsis from art they consume. Also, 78,56% of population consumes only American mainstream cinema, while almost 21% sometimes tries to step outside of mainstream, but flinches and returns to their safe Hollywood. Not even half a percent of population is true cinema buffs. I'm pretty sure you drones did not love Meg ker a nep, because it was not made by Hellish people and had no Hellish signs which made it unable for you to enjoy it. You better return to your own planet, alien freaks, before you experience the wrath of the one and only legit cinema buff. Long live cinema! Long live true consumers of visual culture! DEATH TO THE HOLLYWOOD DRONES!

Not drunk and/or crazy. Just bored.

cricket
12-20-17, 09:06 AM
Maybe it's just that particular movie isn't very good?

rauldc14
12-20-17, 09:40 AM
I can't tell if you are serious or joking but oh well.

Camo
12-20-17, 09:48 AM
I can't tell if you are serious or joking but oh well.

He said he was parodying Guap earlier and the latter part is obviously parodying that "you're going to hell" guy. Also there was white text in that post saying: "Not drunk and/or crazy. Just bored."

Looking forward to Velvet's glowing review since he has already decided he likes it because Minio does.

Mr Minio
12-20-17, 09:57 AM
Maybe it's just that particular movie isn't very good? Maybe the problem does not lie in the movie, but in the viewer?
I can't tell if you are serious or joking but oh well. I'm seriously joking and I'm jokingly serious. :P
Looking forward to Velvet's glowing review since he has already decided he likes it because Minio does. He rated it 3.5, the little bugger. He also rated The Last Laugh 2.5 and I rate it 4.5. He's got a lot of his own opinion for a slave...

Velvet
12-20-17, 10:18 AM
Im moving red psalm to 4/5

rauldc14
12-20-17, 10:21 AM
Im moving red psalm to 4/5

Strange, but cool.

cricket
12-20-17, 10:56 AM
Maybe the problem does not lie in the movie, but in the viewer?

Yes, and that viewer is you.

rauldc14
12-20-17, 11:08 AM
Velvet loved it so much he's speechless about it

Velvet
12-20-17, 11:11 AM
I have ocd about this stuff

Mr Minio
12-20-17, 11:24 AM
Yes, and that viewer is you. Love you. Cheers!

matt72582
12-20-17, 12:47 PM
Ms. Minio probably couldn't stand "Psalm" but thought it would be cool to defend it.

Camo
12-20-17, 01:34 PM
Ms. Minio probably couldn't stand "Psalm" but thought it would be cool to defend it.

It was in his top ten at one point. I'm pretty sure Minio genuinely loves the films he says he does. Then Velvet decides he does too.

Citizen Rules
12-20-17, 02:08 PM
Im moving red psalm to 4/5I thought you hadn't watched it yet.

Joel
12-20-17, 03:06 PM
Hardcore alt troll situation. Im not fulking with red psalm. Sorry.

matt72582
12-20-17, 03:12 PM
It was in his top ten at one point. I'm pretty sure Minio genuinely loves the films he says he does. Then Velvet decides he does too.

Just being sarcastic.

However, he's being conformist by ostracizing any critique of that movie.. I can't wait until the next review of this movie, but I wonder more the feeling of not wanting to critique it to the fullest in fear of that immature copy-and-paste hitjob, instead of sincerely critiquing the review, which might develop a conversation, and who knows, something we didn't consider. Instead, an attack, and an end of the discussion, which is anti-message board.

Jay Redrum
12-20-17, 08:31 PM
Dog Day Afternoon (1975)
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Directed By: Sidney Lumet
I had seen this once before watching it for this HoF and I really liked it. The way this movie is paced is so well done. You can tell within the first few minutes that the bank robbery is not going to go according to plan. The rest of the movie is basically a car crash that you just can't help but watch, with some amazing acting mixed in. It makes for something that is super compelling and easy to love. The performance that Al Pacino gives is stellar, it feels so human that you're on his side even though he's so fundamentally broken and destructive. The chemistry between Sonny and the bank tellers give the movie a light edge that helps relax the viewer from the severity of the situation. The strange thing is the climax of the movie is expected but still satisfying. Great movie glad I had a reason to watch this for a second time.

edarsenal
12-20-17, 09:56 PM
helluva great run, Jay!! Lovin the reviews!
Describing what occurs in Dog Day as a car crash you can't help but watch is pretty apropos.

Jay Redrum
12-20-17, 10:01 PM
helluva great run, Jay!! Lovin the reviews!
Describing what occurs in Dog Day as a car crash you can't help but watch is pretty apropos.
Thanks appreciate it

Citizen Rules
12-20-17, 11:05 PM
Dog Day Afternoon (1975)
The chemistry between Sonny and the bank tellers give the movie a light edge that helps relax the viewer from the severity of the situation.

The strange thing is the climax of the movie is expected but still satisfying.I like what you said about the chemistry between Sonny and the bank tellers, without that the film would be still good but not so memorable. By far the best chemistry was between Sonny and Leon when they talk on the phone.

It's one of the great endings, because it makes sense! A lot of films seem to stall at the ending, but Dog Day Afternoon keeps getting better and better until the crescendo.

edarsenal
12-20-17, 11:23 PM
I like what you said about the chemistry between Sonny and the bank tellers, without that the film would be still good but not so memorable. By far the best chemistry was between Sonny and Leon when they talk on the phone.

It's one of the great endings, because it makes sense! A lot of films seem to stall at the ending, but Dog Day Afternoon keeps getting better and better until the crescendo.




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yeah, I loved that phone conversation. No clever dialogue, just two people caught in the middle of an insane situation.
And fully agree about the chemistry between the tellers and Sonny.

The very first time I saw this the ending was one of those "HOLY SH1T!" moments that I honestly didn't see coming and loved it for surprising me since I didn't know anything about the actual bank robbery's final solution.

CaptainT
12-21-17, 08:50 PM
The Warriors

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwgfiK0W8AEUIAS.jpg

Wow! Immediately in the first minutes this movie started by creating an atmosphere that I really liked and that kept me interested for the entire movie. All the groups walking with their different clothing styles in combination with the music in this scene got me hooked. I couldn't wait to see the rest of this film and it didn't disappoint. I really felt the tension of constantly being in danger and having to be on the run that the warriors had and for me the movie did a great job in creating sympathy for the warriors. The atmosphere that was created in the beginning lasted for the entire duration of the film and I always was on the edge of my seat hoping that the warriors would reach their home without getting caught. I thought that this film looked great and I'm glad that this was nominated because I defenitely enjoyed watching it.

edarsenal
12-21-17, 08:55 PM
The do set the bar and hold it for the entire movie. Great lil review, CaptainT!!

CaptainT
12-21-17, 09:17 PM
What's Up, Doc?

Watching this movie was a lot of fun. I found the first part of the movie okay and a bit conufsing at times, but starting from the part where everbody was just walking in and out of rooms and which ended in one of the rooms getting on fire it got really funny for me. After that it got even better with the fight and the car chase which ended up at the court. The was some acting in this movie that I also really liked. For example Barbara Streisand's acting and the judge. I wouldn't consider this a fantastic movie, but it was still a lot of fun to watch and it defenitely had me laughing at times, especially during the car chase.

Camo
12-21-17, 09:27 PM
Big fan of CaptainT suddenly killing it, i had him down for the count long ago.

cricket
12-21-17, 09:28 PM
Good going CaptainT!



As for me, I've got Investigation of a Citizen Above Suspicion this weekend.

HashtagBrownies
12-21-17, 09:35 PM
39416

Sometimes the only way to portray humanity's biggest flaws, is with non-human creatures.

Oh my God, this was one of my most unique and fantastic film-watching experiences. The animation, editing and direction are amazing, it reminds me of those old tv shows that would air really late in the night on Nick Jr. You do get many frames during the film that could be hung in an art gallery.The music is great. It can completely change depending on the mood of the scene (Sometimes it's rock music). The character designs are extremely unique, whether it be the breasts extruding from the female Draags or the multiple creatures scattered across the land (including that one guy in the cage with a ton of tentacles coming out of his nose). The film is written as if it is aware of the rules of the world in the film, giving no time whatsoever to explain them. All of these elements absorb you into the world, as if you're a part of it, and the 'real' world is just an odd concept in the back of your head. The scenes at the beginning immediately strike you as it is akin to the way children play with animals in real life, giving you a whole different perspective on animal abuse. Despite the characters only having a little amount of dialogue, you get to sympathies with them all.

An extremely unique experience that every animation lover should experience.

4

edarsenal
12-22-17, 12:24 AM
What's Up, Doc?

Watching this movie was a lot of fun. I found the first part of the movie okay and a bit conufsing at times, but starting from the part where everbody was just walking in and out of rooms and which ended in one of the rooms getting on fire it got really funny for me. After that it got even better with the fight and the car chase which ended up at the court. The was some acting in this movie that I also really liked. For example Barbara Streisand's acting and the judge. I wouldn't consider this a fantastic movie, but it was still a lot of fun to watch and it defenitely had me laughing at times, especially during the car chase.
The car chase IS pretty d@mn funny. Glad to hear you enjoyed it!!

edarsenal
12-22-17, 12:26 AM
39416

Sometimes the only way to portray humanity's biggest flaws, is with non-human creatures.

Oh my God, this was one of my most unique and fantastic film-watching experiences. The animation, editing and direction are amazing, it reminds me of those old tv shows that would air really late in the night on Nick Jr. You do get many frames during the film that could be hung in an art gallery.The music is great. It can completely change depending on the mood of the scene (Sometimes it's rock music). The character designs are extremely unique, whether it be the breasts extruding from the female Draags or the multiple creatures scattered across the land (including that one guy in the cage with a ton of tentacles coming out of his nose). The film is written as if it is aware of the rules of the world in the film, giving no time whatsoever to explain them. All of these elements absorb you into the world, as if you're a part of it, and the 'real' world is just an odd concept in the back of your head. The scenes at the beginning immediately strike you as it is akin to the way children play with animals in real life, giving you a whole different perspective on animal abuse. Despite the characters only having a little amount of dialogue, you get to sympathies with them all.

An extremely unique experience that every animation lover should experience.

4
Quite the excellent review, HashTag!! This is quite unique when it comes to the artwork and definitely one for animation lovers. BRAVO

edarsenal
12-22-17, 12:46 AM
rauldc14, Yam12, Citizen Rules, Jay Redrum, Joel, cricket, HashtagBrownies, Velvet, CaptainT, Jeff Costello


getting a great lil run of reviews, F@CKIN AWESOME job everyone!!
We have 72 out of 121 posted leaving 49 left to go which puts us at 59.5% posted.
We also already have one vote already sent in by CR.
Now, I know there are quite a few movies that HAVE been watched and simply haven't been posted, so as far as movies watched, I would put the percent of movies watched closer to 75% or even higher.
So, considering that at the beginning of this month it was looking pretty dismal, I gotta say we got a MoFo Christmas Miracle goin on, so I'm pretty geeked that we'll be finishing this WITH a sizable amount of participants and nominations.

F@CKIN WAY TO GO, EVERYONE!!!

rauldc14
12-22-17, 10:37 AM
I will need help finding Investigation if anyone can help.

HashtagBrownies
12-22-17, 11:07 AM
I will need help finding Investigation if anyone can help.

Me aswell.

Citizen Rules
12-22-17, 11:41 AM
I will need help finding Investigation if anyone can help.

Me aswell.Its on Youtube for $2.99. Netflix DVD.Com has it. Apple iTune has it for $3.99

I think Jeff Costello or Camo found me a free link with English subs.

Velvet
12-22-17, 11:43 AM
i have the criterion from the library :D

HashtagBrownies
12-22-17, 12:26 PM
I think Jeff Costello or Camo found me a free link with English subs.

Jeff Costello, I need this please.

Citizen Rules
12-22-17, 12:27 PM
Camo has his mentions turned off, so you might want to give him a PM or post comment instead.

edarsenal
12-22-17, 08:12 PM
just spoke with HashTag in PM and sent you to Raul, to send a copy in email to HashTag

Jay Redrum
12-22-17, 08:28 PM
Sorcerer (1977)
http://filmint.nu/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Sorcerer-2.jpg
Directed By: William Friedkin
What a thrilling movie. I was a little confused at where the movie was going within the first act, and I had only seen the poster so I knew that some serious truckin was about to go down, but other then that I was completely blind. I really liked how all the drivers were introduced and how they had very different personalities. Once the movie gets going its a serious roller coaster. I don't know how much I can really say about this movie without just repeating myself. I do have one burning question, I really wanna know how they filmed both scenes on the long rope bridge. It was such an intense moment I understand why its on the poster. I think all the acting was good and I was surprised but content with the conclusion. Great movie.

cricket
12-22-17, 08:30 PM
Glad you liked it Jay!

edarsenal
12-22-17, 08:48 PM
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Red Psalm

Once again, I do want to thank Velvet for uploading this on youtube so that it can be watched -- thank you.

Well, for the good part, I did enjoy the folk music, though not enough to carry this movie filled with socialist debate and peaceful, symbolic demonstrations that shifted back and forth from rhetoric points being made, to a symbolic demonstration of unity or being a worker beneath the rich, followed by song and dance.
The whole process seemed to have that lackluster feel of a re-enactment or the unemotional procession of a church mass where words are spoken, songs sung without emotion, a few gestures made, and then everyone files out and goes home.
The only emotion that seemed to come through was righteous indignation but even that seemed to be halfhearted. Which is a true shame for a movie who's premise is ripe for passionate expression is portrayed completely flat.

It seems, as they sing, I am born unlucky, for I was born a xenophobic Hollywood drone slave.

edarsenal
12-22-17, 08:51 PM
Sorcerer (1977)
http://filmint.nu/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Sorcerer-2.jpg
Directed By: William Friedkin
What a thrilling movie. I was a little confused at where the movie was going within the first act, and I had only seen the poster so I knew that some serious truckin was about to go down, but other then that I was completely blind. I really liked how all the drivers were introduced and how they had very different personalities. Once the movie gets going its a serious roller coaster. I don't know how much I can really say about this movie without just repeating myself. I do have one burning question, I really wanna know how they filmed both scenes on the long rope bridge. It was such an intense moment I understand why its on the poster. I think all the acting was good and I was surprised but content with the conclusion. Great movie.

I'd be curious to see how they filmed the bridge scenes as well.
It IS quite the thrilling movie and there has been discussion of how the scenes were VERY well set up visually, composition wise.

Velvet
12-22-17, 09:28 PM
love you ed