1970's Hall of Fame [Archive] - Page 3

Citizen Rules

10-25-17, 12:51 PM

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Dog Day Afternoon (1975)

I'm glad this was nominated as in all the years I've known about it, I've never gotten around to watching it. And now I have!...I liked it too and was blown away by the first 30 minutes, it was like 'you are there' for a botched bank robbery. I laughed too, I don't know if anyone else found a lot of the film humorous but I did.

Al Pacino is great of course, so was Charles Durning as the Police Chief. Those two made the movie. Sal (John Cazale) the other bank robbery was interesting as we never really learn much about him, and yet I could tell he had his own back story, which we learn only a little about, which keeps him a mystery.

I didn't know anything about the actual robbery before the movie, so when we see Sonny's other wife, I did a double take! I wasn't sure at first what was suppose to be happening. The actor who played his wife Chris Sarandon (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001697/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t23) was extremely good. I looked him up on IMDB and that's a link, damn! He's done a lot of movie roles where I've seen him but never knew his name.

Loved the on scene street locations, so much nicer than in a studio and it allows a huge exterior set with lots of extras! It looked great and the ending while not a surprise, happened so fast that it was shocking.

I do wish the film was 30 minutes shorter, I did find myself getting restless during the middle of the film. But overall a strong movie.

Velvet

10-25-17, 12:56 PM

in no way does kramer vs kramer portray streep as the villain

Camo

10-25-17, 12:58 PM

A documentary about the real story was made a few years ago - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dog_(2013_film)

Haven't watched it yet.

Citizen Rules

10-25-17, 01:01 PM

in no way does kramer vs kramer portray streep as the villain @HashtagBrownies (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=96250) says differently.

In my mind she was the 'heavy' and serves the role of an antagonist. Though she had clear motives for doing what she did, ultimately the film intends for the audience to cheer for Dustin Hoffman to win the court case.

Citizen Rules

10-25-17, 01:03 PM

A documentary about the real story was made a few years ago - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dog_(2013_film)

Haven't watched it yet.Thanks, I was thinking about looking to see if there was a doc, and there it is. I'm going to watch the 1 hour back story of Dog Day Afternoon on the second DVD in the movie set.

HashtagBrownies

10-25-17, 01:05 PM

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Dog Day Afternoon (1975)

A classic. It was kinda humorous when they called over the pizza guy to the bank.

Velvet

10-25-17, 01:06 PM

@HashtagBrownies (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=96250) says differently.

In my mind she was the 'heavy' and serves the role of an antagonist. Though she had clear motives for doing what she did, ultimately the film intends for the audience to cheer for Dustin Hoffman to win the court case.

that was the opposite of my opinion tbh. I think the court case is more for getting the emotions out there and feeling the pain of each parent more than rooting for a side which I didnt do

Citizen Rules

10-25-17, 01:08 PM

A classic. It was kinda humorous when they called over the pizza guy to the bank.Ha! yup loved that scene.

My favorite was when Sonny puts the women into a bank vault and they all say they need to use the bathroom, so he hands them a trash can and tells them to use that, ha!

Velvet

10-25-17, 01:09 PM

this quote from roger ebert is how I feel

""Kramer vs. Kramer" wouldn't be half as good as it is -- half as intriguing and absorbing -- if the movie had taken sides"

Citizen Rules

10-25-17, 01:23 PM

this quote from roger ebert is how I feel

""Kramer vs. Kramer" wouldn't be half as good as it is -- half as intriguing and absorbing -- if the movie had taken sides"Ebert was wrong about that. He's just a person, like all of us are. He didn't like Blade Runner when it came out either. So while I respect the man, I don't consider his thoughts to be gospel.

While the film doesn't make Merly Streep's character evil....and it does give her motive for doing what she did...the film shows her as being the instigator, I mean she's a mother who abandons her kid, because she's messed up. It's not a 100% thing, but I'd say most people who watch the film will have empathy for Dustin Hoffman and scorn for Merly Streep's character.

Velvet

10-25-17, 02:09 PM

well I think that is completely misinterpreting the film tbh but its all subjective

Camo

10-25-17, 02:28 PM

I'd say most people who watch the film will have empathy for Dustin Hoffman and scorn for Merly Streep's character.

Whatever you think the film is trying to say Citizen is right about this at least. I mean Streep isn't on screen for the whole middle of the film and during that time we've gotten to know Hoffman and watched him bond with his son. Streep then comes back and wants her son back, all we've seen of her during the rest of the film is the argument and her seemingly abandoning her son at the start.

Most people are going to support Hoffman in that situation whether the filmmakers intended that or not. They outright redeem her in the end anyway if you didn't support her before that.

edarsenal

10-25-17, 08:02 PM

A documentary about the real story was made a few years ago - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dog_(2013_film)

Haven't watched it yet.

had saw the write up on that and read up on the actual robbery and what happened to "Sonny". Apparently, the person that "Sal" represented was only around 19.

Joel

10-26-17, 07:07 PM

Dog Day Afternoon

Wow, Elton HJohn tune opens up the film, I had totally forgottne that. You can hear the tape hiss before all the intruments come in. Ahhh, good ole multi track tape!

The acting is ridiculous in this. So good! Pacino is a beast actor...he just destroys every scene!

In a good way, of course.

The end was awesome, loved the procedural aspects all throughout the film.../Durning was awesome...even Lance Henriksen's camero was decent/ Loved the "fake" bus driver..."TAKE A WALK, COP!"

Chris Sarandon playing a neurotic gay man transitioning..solid performance.

Pacino had two wives..interesting how this was all a true story, though.

Such a heavyweight film. A real champion movie. Great directing, writing, and the story itself is wild.

I laughed a lot. This was , i think, essentially a comedy and a drama. Probably more drama but there sure was a lot of funny stuff. Like when Pacino backs into the fern tree in the foyer of the entrance, and he's like "Oh shlt"...stuff like that. He was so on edge. Then he got darker as the movie went on and his wives started talking to him on the phone, and then his mom.

Yeah, great nom!

Yam12

10-27-17, 10:32 PM

Eraserhead (1977)
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I decided to kick this HoF off with my nomination. Eraserhead is David Lynch's surreal debut about Henry Spencer (Jack Nance) navigating through life while also having to deal with his mutant child after his girlfriend abandons him. The film has very little dialogue and instead uses the surreal imagery to create an unsettling atmosphere. This can best be seen in the dream sequences Henry has, which involve the mutant child and a character known only as The Lady in the Radiator. Another positive of the film is the sound design of the film, which also adds to the atmosphere being created. There are many interpretations of the film and you can probably find most of them online, however the most common one is that the film represents Lynch's fears of fatherhood, which for me is. Overall Eraserhead is a fantastic and surreal experience and hopefully the film will generate a lot of discussion here.

4.5

Yam12

10-27-17, 10:40 PM

And that's me off the mark. I've also watched The Warriors, The Sting and What's Up, Doc and will get write-ups for those soon

Citizen Rules

10-27-17, 11:09 PM

I'm watching Three Days of the Condor tonight.

rauldc14

10-27-17, 11:11 PM

I'm watching people not turn in 14th HOF lists tonight

edarsenal

10-27-17, 11:49 PM

and Yam12 is ON THE BOARD!! SWEET!
very cool to find out what ya think of those movies, yam.

Can't remember, have you seen three days of the condor, Citizen Rules?

and I feel you frustration, rauldc14 :(

I watched What's Up, Doc? in the beginning of the week after Joel and Citizen watched it and STILL haven't written, or more correctly, got a complete review to post. Started a couple of times and something would come up.

Can't decided which to watch next. Eraserhead? Kramer vs Kramer? Fantastic Planet?. . . these are the ones that seem to beckon the strongest right now.

Citizen Rules

10-27-17, 11:53 PM

..Can't remember, have you seen three days of the condor, @Citizen Rules (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=84637)? Yeah last night:p, I watched the first 18 minutes of it, and I'm going to finish it tonight, with homemade pizza! Yeah.... But no I haven't seen it before. So far it looks damn good!

I watched What's Up, Doc? in the beginning of the week after Joel and Citizen watched it and STILL haven't written, or more correctly, got a complete review to post. Started a couple of times and something would come up.Slacker:)

Can't decided which to watch next. Eraserhead? Kramer vs Kramer? Fantastic Planet?. . . these are the ones that seem to beckon the strongest right now.Maybe, Kramer vs Kramer? that way you can chime in on if the films presents both sides evenly or not? Either way it's a great film, lots of good stuff in this Hof!

edarsenal

10-27-17, 11:55 PM

what's on tonight's pizza?

that WAS the argument for having Kramer vs Kramer. . . we will see

and yeah, HUUUGE slacker!! :D

Citizen Rules

10-28-17, 12:00 AM

what's on tonight's pizza?

that WAS the argument for having Kramer vs Kramer. . . we will see

and yeah, HUUUGE slacker!! :DIt's a first for me, I sliced up some peppers I grew this summer. They're called Lemon Drop and they're pretty hot, but also have a citrus flavor to them.

https://www.rareseeds.com/lemon-drop/

And the timer went off and the pizza is now done:) Have a good evening!

edarsenal

10-28-17, 12:04 AM

It's a first for me, I sliced up some peppers I grew this summer. They're called Lemon Drop and they're pretty hot, but also have a citrus flavor to them.

https://www.rareseeds.com/lemon-drop/

And the timer went off and the pizza is now done:) Have a good evening!
I've had those on a steak fajita. Hot, but not insanely so. Hard to taste the lemon flavor since it was mixed in with so much other stuff. But it definitely added to the pleasure.

ENJOY!!

Velvet

10-28-17, 12:05 AM

good luck citizen!

HashtagBrownies

10-28-17, 07:53 AM

There are many interpretations of the film and you can probably find most of them online, however the most common one is that the film represents Lynch's fears of fatherhood, which for me is.

Or, y'know, it's just crazy images put onscreen for the sake of it! :lol:

Camo

10-28-17, 08:22 AM

It definitely has a fatherhood theme, not sure how you could miss that. Lynch's #1 goal is to recreate his dreams/nightmares though and that's where the appeal of Eraserhead lies, i love it to death but it's extremely easy to understand why it's so polarizing.

HashtagBrownies

10-28-17, 12:01 PM

not sure how you could miss that.

I didn't miss it. I was just trying to be...

FUNNY!
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Citizen Rules

10-28-17, 02:12 PM

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Three Days of the Condor (1975)

Now, that's a cool movie poster! But I'm not sure if Robert Redford was cool enough to play the lead. While he did fit the role of a bookish, paper pusher CIA employee who's thrust into the world of high espionage...he was lack luster in the film, which then didn't really draw me into the world of clandestine CIA activities. His best roles are the intellectual ones like All The President's Men (1976)

The script could have went several different ways with the story:

It could have been a thrill-a-minute action flick...I don't usually like those but I could see it working with this story premise.

Or the premise could have been deeply complicated involving decoding and fact finding with little action, but lots of high brow stuff. That would have suited Redford well.

My favorite would have had Robert Redford being more of a frightened and inept agent, who only survives by the seat of his pants and by sheer luck. That would lend itself to some dark comedy.

Sorry to fans of Redford, but IMO he lacks the screen presences of say Dustin Hoffman or Al Pacino. And so for me couldn't carry the film....and so I was never 'in' the story, I just merely watched the movie.

Still I'm very glad to have watched it! and it was entertaining movie.

Joel

10-28-17, 02:31 PM

I'm watching people not turn in 14th HOF lists tonight

When is this due again? I've submitted my list but damn this is taking a while to get into the finals. ;)

rauldc14

10-28-17, 02:34 PM

When is this due again? I've submitted my list but damn this is taking a while to get into the finals. ;)

Originally Oct 31 but I did extend a 2 week deadline. We were rolling through everything and now I don't even know how many lists we will get. I have 5 now.

Joel

10-28-17, 02:35 PM

Originally Oct 31 but I did extend a 2 week deadline. We were rolling through everything and now I don't even know how many lists we will get. I have 5 now.

wonderful...fingers crossed

edarsenal

10-28-17, 04:27 PM

wow, I honestly thought you'd enjoy it more, Citizen Rules, sorry to hear that, but I do appreciate your reasons for it.

and no, being a fan of Redford I will NOT forgive you. NEVER. NEVER!

:p:D;)

sorry to hear so many haven't sent in votes yet, rauldc14 -- that IS freakin frustrating!!:frustrated:

Jeff Costello

10-28-17, 05:42 PM

The Warriors is a cult action thriller set in a dystopian future which follows the misfortunes of a Coney Island street gang wrongfully accused of killing the chief of the most powerful gang in New York during the major summit. After a bounty for their capture is offered, they become the target of virtually every existing gang in the area and the film consists of them trying to escape home while constantly encountering various gangs trying to hunt them down. Unfortunately the film is nowhere near as exciting as the premise suggests. Outside of solid soundtrack and couple of amusing quotes, there's not much I can really praise. The main lead was laughably bad with zero charisma . His delievery was so expressionless that he was at times unintentionally funny. The acting was uniformly bad with the exception of David Patrick Kelly whose character was one of the the rare aspects that managed to spark my interest. Dialogue was mostly dull and unimaginative as well as the characterizations. But probably the most detrimental aspect of the film was editing. I simply couldn't look away past those godawful comic book transitions which made me feel like I was watching some anime cartoon. Another dissapointment was the finale, more specifically the showdown between Swan and Luther. After a brilliant tension build-up, I was left underwhelmed by their prematurely ended and one-sided battle. So in conclusion, " The Warriors " was a dissapointment in most fronts, but at least I now know where this Scrubs quote originated from.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux6gnOGO0Fw

Citizen Rules

10-28-17, 05:57 PM

wow, I honestly thought you'd enjoy it more, @Citizen Rules (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=84637), sorry to hear that, but I do appreciate your reasons for it.

and no, being a fan of Redford I will NOT forgive you. NEVER. NEVER!

:p:D;)

sorry to hear so many haven't sent in votes yet, @rauldc14 (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=60169) -- that IS freakin frustrating!!:frustrated:Oh:p I do like Redford himself, I mean he's very likable and easy going, but I think Cricket summed it up for me when he said, 'Redford isn't a great actor but is a great star.'

I think he's somebody who has to be cast in the right movie to shine. I did like him in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid and a few other films too. I also liked that lost at sea movie he did recently, I forget what it's called? But yeah he was pretty good in that.

cricket

10-28-17, 06:19 PM

I know people keep saying things like The Warriors is supposed to be set in a dystopian future and it's not supposed to be a realistic depiction of gangs, but I disagree.

Joel

10-28-17, 06:21 PM

I know people keep saying things like The Warriors is supposed to be set in a dystopian future and it's not supposed to be a realistic depiction of gangs, but I disagree.

Before the comic book touch ups, The Warriors was just a gritty gang movie and had a few things in common with some of the italian post apoc movies. I really didn't like the comic transitions, etc...

EDIT cricket
But with that said, The Original Theatrical Cut of the film is the one to see, sans the comicbook crapola. Too bad it's not as easily available for members..otherwise, people wouldn't be reviewing and minusing points for The Phantom Menace or Lucas CGI.

Joel

10-28-17, 06:23 PM

I also liked that lost at sea movie he did recently, I forget what it's called? But yeah he was pretty good in that.

I liked that movie very much, too. "All is Lost".

I thought it was shot on film, and I got excited..and was very satisfied to learn it was shot digitally with an Arri Alexa, which is my favorite Digital cinema camera, as it gets the look of film down pat. Very, very nice sensor in that thing, plus I'm sure the lenses help play a big part, too.

But yeah, great movie, I was surprised.

cricket

10-28-17, 06:24 PM

Before the comic book touch ups, The Warriors was just a gritty gang movie and had a few things in common with some of the italian post apoc movies. I really didn't like the comic transitions, etc...

I may have seen the comic version. I remember watching a new version of one of my favorite movies a few years ago and hating it, and I'm thinking that might be yet. I might have the original DVD, I hope so.

edarsenal

10-28-17, 07:06 PM

For me, I kept looking past the comic book panels and I am with cricket, while this is supposed be a dystopian world, it looked and felt like NYC 1979 about gangs - albeit VERY colorful, theatrically dressed gangs. But still.

And I know, Citizens, I just had to mess with that line you wrote about apologizing to the fans of Redford. I know what ya meant.
What did ya think of Sydow's performance?

Citizen Rules

10-28-17, 07:33 PM

For me, I kept looking past the comic book panels and I am with @cricket (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=68505), while this is supposed be a dystopian world, it looked and felt like NYC 1979 about gangs - albeit VERY colorful, theatrically dressed gangs. But still.

And I know, Citizens, I just had to mess with that line you wrote about apologizing to the fans of Redford. I know what ya meant.
What did ya think of Sydow's performance? Big fan of Max Von sydow here, and I thought he was decent, but like Faye Dunaway I don't think the actors get much to work with from the script. I really didn't like Cliff Robertson in this, and he's in one of my all time favorite movies. Well one of these days I will nominate it.

Citizen Rules

10-28-17, 07:38 PM

I may have seen the comic version. I remember watching a new version of one of my favorite movies a few years ago and hating it, and I'm thinking that might be yet. I might have the original DVD, I hope so. Me too, that's exactly what happened to me. I'm going to rewatch The Warriors theatrical cut and write my review for that, because technically that was the film I nominated not the Ultimate Director's Cut with the comic book panels.

If you have the DVD from 2001 it will be the original and it's DVD cover looks like this:
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I seen it's readily available used on ebay and amazon for as cheap as $2.00

Citizen Rules

10-28-17, 07:42 PM

I know people keep saying things like The Warriors is supposed to be set in a dystopian future and it's not supposed to be a realistic depiction of gangs, but I disagree. After watching it and thinking about it I agree with you. I think the director came up with the dystopian future and comic book theme to cover his ass, as it turns out we now know what gang members look like and they don't dress in baseball uniforms and face paint:p But at the time people generally weren't familiar with gangs so it seemed plausible that there was this gang culture in the shadows of NYC just waiting to take over the world.

Either way, I like it, it's a fun ride and it's meant to be entertainment, and there ain't nothing wrong with being entertained.

cricket

10-28-17, 07:49 PM

I found this on the film's wiki page-

"The script, as written, was a realistic take on street gangs but the director was a huge fan of comic books and wanted to divide the film into chapters and then have each chapter "come to life starting with a splash panel". However, Hill was working on a low budget and a tight post-production schedule because of a fixed release date as the studio wanted to release The Warriors before a rival gang picture called The Wanderers. As a result, Hill was unable to realize this comic book look until the making of the Ultimate Director's Cut"

If anyone looks up gangs from the 70's, many of them have a lot of wild get ups and hairdos.

Citizen Rules

10-28-17, 09:20 PM

cricket

10-28-17, 09:21 PM

I read a discussion that the director did the comic book panels in the Ultimate Directors Cut as a marketing tie in to promote the Warriors video game that released at the same time.

That could be true regardless of what he says.

Citizen Rules

10-28-17, 09:31 PM

I watched the director talking about his directors cut and he was all over it, saying how he didn't like it when directors reworked their films. I think I can read people pretty good and he seemed pretty sheepish about it and not at all convincing.

BTW, keep an eye on that red bite thing you have, those can turn nasty. I assume you have medical insurance, if it don't get better, have it looked at.

edarsenal

10-28-17, 10:12 PM

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What's Up, Doc?

After rewatching this a week ago, I am FINALLY writing this review (slacker? c'est moi).

This is, from its depth to its farthest borders, a fun and funny movie. A tip of the hat to old Hollywood screwball comedies and quick/clever retorts. Co-written by Buck Henry who, for some of us, is known for being the co-creator for the spy spoofing TV comedy show "Get Smart", this movie has two premises. The first, 4 exactly identical traveling bags with very important items therein and their inevitable mix up. Secondly, Barbara Streisand pursing and causing all kinds of trouble for Ryan O'Neil.

As already stated in previous discussions, there are some very funny, and incredibly talented folks in here. At the top of that list, in her first movie, is Madeline Kahn simply nailing the role of the frantic fiance to O'Neil; Eunice Burns. Following quickly by Kenneth Mars who's list of outrageous characters and their mannerisms are a must see.

The reason I went with this movie is twofold. The first, though a comedy and they are ALWAYS a high risk when it comes to HoFs, this seemed to round out the incredible spectrum of movies that have been nominated for this decade.
Second, for me, the 70s really (among other things) exemplified the "car chase" and while the final act of this movie is more comedic, it definitely fits the bill for bringing some of that to this HoF.

I first saw this in second grade, a couple of times, at the movies and have tried to watch it, again and again as the decades past and it was an utter frickin delight to rewatch it again for this.

Citizen Rules

10-28-17, 10:15 PM

Bless your heart Ed, for nominating it. Did I tell you I was so inspired by your film choice, that I requested Streisand's Funny Girl...? Strange but true:)

edarsenal

10-28-17, 10:19 PM

Bless your heart Ed, for nominating it. Did I tell you I was so inspired by your film choice, that I requested Streisand's Funny Girl...? Strange but true:)
no you didn't - I have NOT seen that one.

I got one for ya, listening to her sing, I've been thinking about watching Yentl

Citizen Rules

10-28-17, 10:22 PM

Ha, I mean What's Up Doc inspired me to see Funny Girl. I have never seen Yentl, yeah I could watch that.

edarsenal

10-28-17, 10:36 PM

so did I. When she sings in the opening "You're the Tops" and in the middle of the film when she sings "As Time Goes By" got me thinking of that movie. Haven't seen it since I was a teenager.
I've always wanted to check out Funny Girl, supposed to be pretty good. And, of course, it's follow up: Funny Lady

Citizen Rules

10-28-17, 10:42 PM

I'll have to watch Funny Lady too. I can't say I've seen Babs in too many movies. I did see and didn't like A Star is Born. That's the only one I can think of right now.

cricket

10-28-17, 10:54 PM

I'll have to watch Funny Lady too. I can't say I've seen Babs in too many movies. I did see and didn't like A Star is Born. That's the only one I can think of right now.

I thought The Way We Were was decent, but the movie with her I really want to see is The Prince of Tides.

Camo

10-29-17, 09:23 AM

I thought The Way We Were was decent, but the movie with her I really want to see is The Prince of Tides.

That's the movie with Nick Nolte where she's a psyciatrist right? There's a part in The Sopranos where Tony thinks he's in love with his psychiatrist, and that comes on tv; he's with basically a supermodel who is his gf and yet it's Streisand that is totally doing it for him :laugh:

edarsenal

10-29-17, 01:36 PM

remember Prince of Tides, good movie!

and yeah, remember that Soprano scene

Citizen Rules

10-30-17, 10:32 PM

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F for Fake (Orson Welles, 1973)

In 1955 Orson Welles did an interview about the infamous War of the Worlds radio broadcast and said, "it wasn't a hoax it was satire done on purpose to wake people and stop them from believing everything they were told."

Which if you think about it, is also the subject of F for Fake.

F for Fake is a hybrid of an essay/documentary/movie which recuts unused film footage from an older documentary, along with footage and vignettes conceived, narrated and executed by the master, Orson Welles.

If you don't like Welles, you might not like F for Fake. It's more insightful than revolutionary. It's hard to describe it without spoiling it...The secondary story of the professional art forger is interesting in and off itself, but what Orson does with the telling of that story is pure genius, then again you wouldn't expect less from Welles.

F for Fake most important aspect might be that it give us a window into the real man who was Orson Welles.

Maybe one day people will stop believing everything their told, you can't say he didn't warn you.

edarsenal

10-30-17, 11:49 PM

who the HELL is Orson Welles?!?

:D

This is one of several in this HoF I'm glad got nominated so I can quite thinking about watching it and actually WATCH IT

Citizen Rules

11-02-17, 01:46 PM

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Fantastic Planet (1973)

I enjoyed this one! The entire movie is so rich in creative details and imaginative alien creatures that I enjoyed just looking at it and soaking it all in...not to mention the story itself was was well done, straight-up conceptional sci-fi. It would be interesting to read the novel that the movie is based on. I use to read a lot of sci-fi and this reminded me of some classics I read.

I liked the animation style too, the humans looked like a Renaissances painting by Botticelli. The first half of the film with the interaction between the young Terr and Tiwa was very impressive and really conveyed the feeling of a captured pet and a childlike alien which was a good juxtaposition.

:up: Very cool nom

Jay Redrum

11-02-17, 02:44 PM

I just finished F for Fake but I think I need to rewatch it I feel as if there was some substance I'm not getting becuase honestly I don't even think I understand what the whole movie is about.

Velvet

11-02-17, 02:45 PM

2deep4u

Camo

11-02-17, 02:55 PM

I just finished F for Fake but I think I need to rewatch it I feel as if there was some substance I'm not getting becuase honestly I don't even think I understand what the whole movie is about.

That's basically it, it's Orson Welles trying to fry your mind. It's 5/6 of the Welles films i've seen but i do like it, Welles is great in it. His voice is the best and he's so charming that he would have been a great con man.

It's a documentary about fraud and trickery and the whole thing is a trick itself.

Camo

11-02-17, 02:59 PM

In 1955 Orson Welles did an interview about the infamous War of the Worlds radio broadcast and said, "it wasn't a hoax it was satire done on purpose to wake people and stop them from believing everything they were told."

What i like about the War of the Worlds broadcast is that it was like a hoax within a hoax, the vast majority of the stuff people claimed about the reactions of the public weren't true. The panic was nowhere near as widespread as the stories of it often say and there was no deaths proven to be connected to it. It did panic some people though.

Citizen Rules

11-02-17, 04:16 PM

What i like about the War of the Worlds broadcast is that it was like a hoax within a hoax, the vast majority of the stuff people claimed about the reactions of the public weren't true. The panic was nowhere near as widespread as the stories of it often say and there was no deaths proven to be connected to it. It did panic some people though.I've heard that too. I heard a lot of people (but not a majority) believed it to some degree or were unnerved by it, but there wasn't wide spread mob panic or anything like that.

mark f

11-02-17, 04:43 PM

Check out The Night That Panicked America (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073454/?ref_=nv_sr_1) if you get a chance.

edarsenal

11-02-17, 09:18 PM

Check out The Night That Panicked America (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073454/?ref_=nv_sr_1) if you get a chance.

remember watching that when it was on TV as a kid. They showed how they did some of the "sounds" and then would bounce back and forth from the broadcast to several different folks freaking out about the martian invasion.

Citizen Rules, very cool you enjoyed Fantasic Planet. The review was like a bite size candy bar. Small, but with a whole lot of pleasure.

Jeff Costello

11-03-17, 03:58 PM

Fantastic Planet is a skilfully constructed animated sci-fi. Based on a novel "Oms Linked Together" by Stefan Wul, it tells a story about human-like slave creatures who begin to rebel against their oppressors Blue Giants. Satirical and enthralling story, meticulous and vivid drawings as well as the appropriate score make this short-lasting feature a very interesting and entertaining watch.

edarsenal

11-03-17, 07:23 PM

straight to point, nicely done, Jeff Costello.
Tried watching this last night, will try to wrap it up tonight

Citizen Rules

11-03-17, 09:55 PM

...
Tried watching this last night, will try to wrap it up tonight A bad sign? Or things just came up?:)

edarsenal

11-03-17, 11:20 PM

A bad sign? Or things just came up?:)

not at all, simply fell asleep during it. Had only a few hours sleep the night before and had to be up very early and simply drifted off. :)

Citizen Rules

11-04-17, 12:04 AM

not at all, simply fell asleep during it. Had only a few hours sleep the night before and had to be up very early and simply drifted off. :)Ahh, happens to me all the time:p I'm tired now, so I'll probably nod off in the middle of tonights movie.

edarsenal

11-04-17, 12:15 AM

Ahh, happens to me all the time:p I'm tired now, so I'll probably nod off in the middle of tonights movie.

Do it on a nightly basis. We watch something and THEN we put on a "sleeper" one of our favorites that we fall asleep through. Got a list that we know the beginnings intimately and have nearly forgotten the ending that, at times, we'll put it on later on in the movie so that we can ACTUALLY see the ending and go, "Oh, yeah, THAT'S how it ends."

cricket

11-04-17, 07:35 PM

What's Up, Doc?

http://www.cornel1801.com/video/Whats-Up-Doc/Barbra-Streisand-Judy-Maxwell.jpg

I watched this once before for the 70's countdown and didn't care for it. That was only a couple years ago so I figured this would most likely be in the running for last on my list. I'm pleasantly surprised to say that I very much enjoyed it this time. Barbara Streisand is the biggest reason I believe as I find her completely enchanting. Even the song during the opening credits worked magic on me. I just think she's an amazing special talent, and so adorable. The rest of the cast; O'Neal, Kahn, etc., also do a very fine job. Not much to say about the story as I just think it's the laughs and chemistry which are important, and there's plenty of both. Love the Love Story reference towards the end, which I'm sure many people wouldn't get if they didn't see or remember that movie. I think I dismissed it as a dumb comedy before but it's certainly not that. It's a classic for a reason and I got it this time.

3.5

edarsenal

11-04-17, 09:02 PM

wow, I wasn't honestly thinking this was gonna be one that you'd struggle through, cricket. Very happy to hear to hear you enjoyed it and I know what ya mean about how enchanting Streisand IS in this movie.

Citizen Rules

11-04-17, 09:12 PM

She's also very tanned!

gbgoodies

11-05-17, 03:08 AM

What's Up, Doc?

I watched this once before for the 70's countdown and didn't care for it. That was only a couple years ago so I figured this would most likely be in the running for last on my list. I'm pleasantly surprised to say that I very much enjoyed it this time. Barbara Streisand is the biggest reason I believe as I find her completely enchanting. Even the song during the opening credits worked magic on me. I just think she's an amazing special talent, and so adorable. The rest of the cast; O'Neal, Kahn, etc., also do a very fine job. Not much to say about the story as I just think it's the laughs and chemistry which are important, and there's plenty of both. Love the Love Story reference towards the end, which I'm sure many people wouldn't get if they didn't see or remember that movie. I think I dismissed it as a dumb comedy before but it's certainly not that. It's a classic for a reason and I got it this time.

3.5

I watched What's Up, Doc? many years ago, but I didn't like it the first time I saw it either. There must be something about this movie that makes it better the second time around because I also liked this movie much more this time too. I think I like Barbra Streisand more now than I did back then. I remember thinking that she was very annoying in the movie, but I liked her this time. (However I thought Ryan O'Neal was a little bit "stiff".)

In the past, I've tried to avoid Barbra Streisand's movies, but I liked her enough this time that when The Prince of Tides aired on a cable channel a couple of days ago, I watched it, and I liked her in that movie too. I might have to seek out a few more of her movies that I've been avoiding.

edarsenal

11-05-17, 11:22 AM

edarsenal

11-05-17, 11:30 AM

She's also very tanned!

it IS in California after all lol

Citizen Rules

11-05-17, 12:15 PM

it IS in California after all lolYup so true...you know I noticed both Babs and O Neil were really really tanned during the movie.

BTW, is there any word on if some of the other members have dropped out? It seems a bit quiet lately.

Velvet

11-05-17, 12:17 PM

Better get back to this, can’t have citizen finish before me

edarsenal

11-05-17, 12:59 PM

Yup so true...you know I noticed both Babs and O Neil were really really tanned during the movie.

BTW, is there any word on if some of the other members have dropped out? It seems a bit quiet lately.

I do know a couple of folks are caught up in other things and since I stretched this out till after the new year I thought it might come off as pestering in the first of 3 months. So I after bothered any of the ones that haven't posted yet.

gbgoodies

11-06-17, 04:13 AM

well, if you enjoy her singing, Yentl (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086619/?ref_=nv_sr_1) may be right up your alley, gbgoodies. I know the story and the film definitely is. Oh, don't read the storyline, SERIOUS spoiler alerts.

Yentl is one of her movies that I've avoided over the years because the trailer made it look very boring, but it gets great reviews, so I might give it a try anyway.

rauldc14

11-06-17, 09:37 AM

Let's be honest-- are Alex Wilder, Nestorio, JayRedrum, and Captain T even still in this?

I don't want to call this HOF a lost cause but damn. People need to not join when they aren't participating.

edarsenal

11-06-17, 11:53 AM

Yentl is one of her movies that I've avoided over the years because the trailer made it look very boring, but it gets great reviews, so I might give it a try anyway.
There is a slow pace, but for myself, i wasn't bored.

Let's be honest-- are Alex Wilder, Nestorio, JayRedrum, and Captain T even still in this?

I don't want to call this HOF a lost cause but damn. People need to not join when they aren't participating.
I'll be sending out PMs to find out about them.

rauldc14

11-06-17, 12:00 PM

Either way, I'll keep watching the meantime. I was going to rewatch The Last Picture Show regardless of this Hall of Fame.

I'll probably watch What's Up Doc next today.

Citizen Rules

11-06-17, 12:40 PM

Let's be honest-- are Alex Wilder, Nestorio, JayRedrum, and Captain T even still in this?

I don't want to call this HOF a lost cause but damn. People need to not join when they aren't participating.I'm working on a rule change for the next Hof that will address those problems fairly...and hopefully reduce the number of non participants, which in turn keeps the Hofs viable for the future.

rauldc14

11-06-17, 02:34 PM

What's Up Doc

https://mindreels.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/babs.png

Part of me thinks the movie hit all the right notes. But part of me is annoyed by a few things as well. I really like Ryan O'Neal in the lead role. I think he has great chemistry with Barbra Streisand, who this may be my favorite role of hers that I've seen. They were really good and I enjoyed the homage that this movie pays to the classic screwball comedies. It almost makes me feel like im watching one of my favorite classic comedies. The story is real good the first 3/4ths of the film. When the car chase happens, for whatever reason I find myself not liking it as much. It's not bad, but it made me lose interest. I also despised Kahn and some of the other supports in this. I loved the true ending, where it uses a quote from Love Story, which I actually liked that film as well. The good outweighs the bad, but the bad keeps it from being a favorite.

3.5-

edarsenal

11-06-17, 03:55 PM

Hey, look, a chance o double rep! lol

I am very pleased and even more surprised that pleasure is out weighing any dislike for that movie.

I feel the same way about it really capturing the old screwball films.

And Citizen Rules I'm looking forward to your solution.

rauldc14

11-06-17, 03:57 PM

I guess the kind of cheesy thing was when Ryan O Neal kept talking and couldn't finish his sentences before someone else would chime in. I didn't mind it a few times but it happened all the time.

But again, still not enough to outweigh me enjoying the film.

edarsenal

11-06-17, 08:10 PM

there was a line Ryan delivers that was absolutely perfect in his deadpan attitude.
When Eunice is tying is bow and saying how passion fades and she asks what comes next and his response: "Senility?"
And she snaps "Trust."
The timing on that was perfect and its so easy to miss because there is no pause whatsoever

cricket

11-08-17, 06:01 PM

La Planete Sauvage

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/600x315/c5/21/16/c52116ec65ada63d9ffe7d1854e50c0a.jpg

I used the French title because I find it more fitting. I usually don't since I have to look it up to spell it. The reason I like the French title is because I actually find the movie to be kind of upsetting. This was my second time watching it after first seeing it for the 70's countdown. It didn't make my list for that decade but it did make my animation list. I feel the same way. Maybe I'm crazy but I find the movie to be somewhat terrifying. I don't think I need to explain why even if others don't feel the same way. I don't think the story is that original or special but for me it's secondary anyway. It's just the concept in general that I find effective, a concept that I see as similar to Planet of the Apes. I'd say it's a movie I respect more than I enjoy, but it does grip me and it's a very easy watch with it's short runtime. I don't know a whole lot about animation. From my point of view it looks pretty good, but more importantly there's many images that stick in my mind. The score is phenomenal. It's a real good movie that stands out in a crowd.

3.5

edarsenal

11-08-17, 09:24 PM

https://1645110239.rsc.cdn77.org/image/s900/q80/mm/been/movies11622/photos-movie/3/fantastic-planet.20170228031830.jpg

Fantastic Planet

I definitely agree with cricket's sentiment that, at times, this movie can by terrifying. Such as the opening with kids playing/torturing an Om like kids do with ants or the like. That scene really sets the surreal, cerebral mood that is the lifeblood of this movie.
And it must be noted, that this is not a negative but a firm positive on how much this can effect you, even if it is this underlying sensation that sort of teases the back of your mind.

Also, the animation colorization is not the usual tones but more of a colored pencil which also compliments the story and the overall effect.
For me, it seems to create a strange dream-scape that you forget is not real and you find yourself lost in exploration.

A true Sci-fi genre with a unique artwork style, film. Great choice, rauldc14 (or rather, final choice, but, in the end, THE choice)

Citizen Rules

11-08-17, 09:38 PM

I like what you and Cricket said about Fantastic Planet. I didn't consider the terrifying aspect of it when I watched it. But after reading what Cricket said, I realized that somewhere in my subconscious the film had made a terrifying impact.

So after reading Cricket's post, I went outside and was sanding some wood with an electric sander, oh man! some of the sound variations the sander made, reminded me of one of the most creepy alien scenes in the movie.

The scene where the aliens eyes go blank and they go through some creepy ass alien decompiling of their bodies. And the music was eerie too, sort of like my sander.

http://blog.sans-concept.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/fp_1.jpg

Velvet

11-08-17, 09:45 PM

Fantastic planet just didn't click with me, I thought I would love it so
Much I saw it in a movie theater but it just didn't click

edarsenal

11-08-17, 09:46 PM

Citizen Rules

11-08-17, 09:50 PM

I can imagine!
And yeah, it IS subconscious since I was doing the same reading over cricket's, having not got mine written and realizing, that was that little thing in the back of my head I couldn't vocalize. That Cricket has got a way with words!

I can't even remember what the score sounded like, but I remember thinking it was pretty eerie. I really liked that movie.

I probably won't be watching any more of the noms for awhile, until I see if those people are still in. But so far:up: I've enjoyed most all of the movies

edarsenal

11-08-17, 10:03 PM

I agree, I've been pretty happy with what I've seen so far.
I've sent out PMs to see what will come of it.
2 of them are MIA on the forum (@Nestorio_Miklos and AlexWilder) and I know CaptainT is in a Survivor game and those DO take over your extra time and that leaves Jay Redrum.

Here's the PM I sent:
"Sending out this multi-message to simply check on those who haven't joined in on the Hall of Fame and ensure that your interest still remains.

Understandably, there are all sorts of other fun things on this forum that can easily take up your time, never mind life; for good and bad - even more so.

If, for any reason, you find that you are unable to join in, watch the other movies and review them, it TRULY is appreciated to simply let us know or simply throw me a PM saying such. No harm, no foul.
It's appreciated by the others participating to know who is still involved, then to be left hanging later on when we get near the end.

So, if you're still in and simply at a late start, that's wonderful.
If you think you may not be able to finish, that's cool, just let us know.
Either way.

Thank you

ed"

edarsenal

11-08-17, 10:04 PM

Fantastic planet just didn't click with me, I thought I would love it so
Much I saw it in a movie theater but it just didn't click
that's cool Velvet, some things click some don't, it does happen.
Was it in a small, old time movie house?

rauldc14

11-09-17, 05:23 AM

Fantastic planet just didn't click with me, I thought I would love it so
Much I saw it in a movie theater but it just didn't click

It's not for everyone. I would be very curious how Sexy Celebrity would think about it.

Velvet

11-09-17, 09:48 AM

Velvet

11-09-17, 09:51 AM

oh and i just checked guess their doing a 2007 month with there will be blood, no country, assasination of jesse james, and 3:10 to yuma

and their doing the truman show, the thing, from beyond, the blob, life force.

DocHoliday

11-09-17, 03:16 PM

Count me in on the 70s HOF!

Yam12

11-09-17, 03:34 PM

Count me in on the 70s HOF!

This has already started although you can still watch and discuss the films nominated.

edarsenal

11-09-17, 06:14 PM

the movie theater i go to is quite nice and shows many old films. Just this month they are showing fight club, rushmore, el topo, trainspotting, mad max, mean streets, get carter, and touch of evil often times on film or in 4k like my fantastic planet showing.

just this year i saw 2001 in 70 mm, the princess bride, casablanca in 4k , aguirre the wrath of god, fantastic planet, and possibly a couple more that i forgot

oh and i just checked guess their doing a 2007 month with there will be blood, no country, assasination of jesse james, and 3:10 to yuma

and their doing the truman show, the thing, from beyond, the blob, life force.
that's always fun to see past flicks on the big screen. Quite the list it seems too!

Count me in on the 70s HOF!
Yep, it did start, BUT if you'd like to post the occasional review I'll set up links on the first page as an "Honorary Review" and everyone is welcome to join in on discussions about any of the films, so feel free, Doc!!

Jay Redrum

11-09-17, 10:16 PM

The Warriors (1979)
https://filmgrab.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/6329.jpg?w=1000&h=
Directed By: Walter Hill
Great movie. I understand the classic appeal of this movie now. The opening draws you in with ambiguity. Where are they going? Who are they? Then boom the rattling of the subway. Then the big speech gets you hyped up then all of a sudden bang and the plot takes off. The whole story is so intense and immersive you're just waiting for the next thing to go wrong for the Warriors. Its a great movie so exciting, glad I had a reason to watch it.
4

edarsenal

11-09-17, 10:27 PM

glad to hear you enjoyed it, Jay.
Were you able to find a theatrical release or the director's cut? The Director's has comic book panels for segues between scenes.

Yam12

11-09-17, 10:33 PM

edarsenal

Have you heard anything back from CaptainT, Nestorio or Alex Wilder. Just asking so I know whether or not I should watch what they nominated.

Citizen Rules

11-09-17, 10:59 PM

edarsenal

11-09-17, 11:06 PM

edarsenal

Have you heard anything back from CaptainT, Nestorio or Alex Wilder. Just asking so I know whether or not I should watch what they nominated.

ya actually beat me to the punch, but yeah, as previously mentioned, Nestorio and Alex are MIA right now on the forum. They haven't been here since we started.
Nestorio nominated Three Days of the Condor and Alex nominated The Last Picture Show.
I've already seen Condor and I still want to see Last Picture Show regardless, but if anyone hasn't seen either and want to hold off, I think I'm gonna wait til the beginning of December (since this'll run til the beginning of January) to see if they come back or not. Just out of fairness.If that's cool with everyone else.
If general concession wishes to change the date or remove them now, we can do that as well.

Both Jay and Captain were very cool to answer rather promptly to let me know what's going on with them: and, of course, jay posted a review (THANK YOU) and Captain IS IN. Cap is just caught up in school right now, but has seen 2 films so far and just hasn't had time to pop on and post.
So both of their noms are still good.

EDIT***
to just be sure everyone saw this and knows: rauldc14, Yam12, Citizen Rules, Jay Redrum, Joel, cricket, HashtagBrownies, Velvet, AlexWilder, CaptainT, Jeff Costello, Nestorio_Miklos

and to those who already have, sorry for the mention

matt72582

11-10-17, 05:32 PM

"Three Days of the Condor" is on at 10am Saturday morning on RETRO

edarsenal

11-10-17, 06:22 PM

"Three Days of the Condor" is on at 10am Saturday morning on RETRO
THANKS Matt!!

Velvet

11-10-17, 06:50 PM

ed know whats funny leon the professional is playing at my theater l

edarsenal

11-10-17, 07:41 PM

ed know whats funny leon the professional is playing at my theater l

that is awesome!! loved seeing that at the theater when it came out

Citizen Rules

11-10-17, 11:04 PM

"Three Days of the Condor" is on at 10am Saturday morning on RETRO I loaned my parents the DVD of that movie and they really liked it.

rauldc14

11-14-17, 10:00 AM

Is there any way we can keep The Last Picture Show in this Hall of Fame. I was going to nominate it anyways remember.

Velvet

11-14-17, 10:51 AM

what movies shouldnt I watch??

Citizen Rules

11-14-17, 11:34 AM

Is there any way we can keep The Last Picture Show in this Hall of Fame. I was going to nominate it anyways remember.It's up to Ed...but personally I think it's a bad idea to keep a movie in, if the person has dropped out. It only encourages future nom bombing. Hopefully AlexWilder will return and finish the Hof.

The Last Picture Show could always be nominated again too.

jiraffejustin

11-14-17, 02:32 PM

It's pretty unlikely to be nominated anytime soon though, because people will remember its presence in this one and they might not even remember/realize that it wasn't eligible at the end. I always thought that even if somebody dropped out, it shouldn't necessarily hurt the film itself. Unless it seems likely the person just nominated a film and had no intentions of watching any of the others, if it was up to me, I'd leave it in. I digress though, because it is not up to me, and because I don't know anything about this particular situation.

cricket

11-14-17, 05:20 PM

I'm always for disqualification if someone isn't finishing. If a movie is eligible and I know the person who nominated it isn't finishing, I automatically put that movie last or won't watch it at all anyway.

rauldc14

11-14-17, 05:36 PM

I only brought it up because it would have been my nomination, which is what most disappoints me.

cricket

11-14-17, 05:42 PM

I only brought it up because it would have been my nomination, which is what most disappoints me.

Even with what I said, I wouldn't mind seeing that particular movie again. It's just the way I look at it in general.

cricket

11-14-17, 06:57 PM

Score! I just discovered that I do have The Warriors on DVD in its original version. I think I'll watch it again after all.

Citizen Rules

11-14-17, 07:50 PM

Score! I just discovered that I do have The Warriors on DVD in its original version. I think I'll watch it again after all.Good! I'm going to watch the original version too before this Hof is done.

jiraffejustin

11-14-17, 07:53 PM

cricket

11-14-17, 07:59 PM

Citizen Rules

11-14-17, 08:51 PM

I've never seen The Warriors, but I would hate to accidentally watch a bastardized version of a beloved classic. So, can you guys give me the down-low on the difference between the original version and whatever the other version is? Like Cricket said it's the scene transitions which in the Ultimate Director's Cut uses comic book panels. Also some of the scene shots have different lengths. Also I think some scenes are inter-cut as opposed to running a complete scene (not totally sure of that though).

This is an interesting article I just seen:
The unkindest cut: 13-plus movies weakened by directors' cuts (https://film.avclub.com/the-unkindest-cut-13-plus-movies-weakened-by-directors-1798231638)

The Warrior is included in that list.

edarsenal

11-14-17, 09:01 PM

rauldc14, Yam12, Citizen Rules, Jay Redrum, Joel, cricket, HashtagBrownies, Velvet, AlexWilder, CaptainT, Jeff Costello, Nestorio_Miklos

I had initially planned on waiting til December 1 to see if Alex or Nestorio shows up. Nestorio had Three Days of the Condor and most of us have already seen it and by usual HoF standards it would have to be deleted at some point on a no show.

Now, considering the current scenario and what I'm considering proposing with everyone's approval, may be much sooner.

I am considering making an exception for Raul. Fantastic Planet was like his third attempt at getting a nom for this HoF and Last Picture Show was his first nomination and Alex already had it. And I felt pretty bad for Raul getting noms knocked down and I was and am pretty happy in having a veteran HoFer in my first time hosting.
Thing is, six of us have already watched Fantastic Planet, so along with everyone else, I definitely need a unanimous approval from all those six members to switch out Last Picture Show for Fantastic Planet as Raul's official nom.

The six members are Raul, myself, Citizen, cricket, Velvet and Jeff. Along with approval from all members included, I definitely feel that since these specific six all have already invested time that it would be paramount that they sign off on this.

Also, if we all agree and follow through, then, I will clear out Condor from the list, remove Nestorio and Alex right now and we will continue with an official list of movies and participants.

So, if this is agreeable for everyone, please, let me know.
Also, please, let us know if you do not like it.

THANKS EVERYONE!!

Yam12

11-14-17, 09:04 PM

I've also seen Fantastic Planet but I'll wait to see what everyone else has to say

edarsenal

11-14-17, 09:06 PM

fair enough, THANKS Yam12!

jiraffejustin

11-14-17, 09:12 PM

f*ck it, let him have both. rauldc14 is a pimp.

Citizen Rules

11-14-17, 09:24 PM

That's very cool of you Ed, to ask us:up:... and it's an elegant solution to a sticky situation. Seeing how Raul had wanted The Last Picture Show originally but it was already taken, then your idea of switching it out with Forbidden Planet is OK by me:)

cricket

11-14-17, 09:29 PM

I'll watch The Last Picture Show

Joel

11-14-17, 09:47 PM

Ok by me. Just for clarification, is picture show or planet staying in?

edarsenal

11-14-17, 10:07 PM

Ok by me. Just for clarification, is picture show or planet staying in?
thanks Citizen and cricket! VERY much appreciated!!

If everyone agrees, we'll remove planet and raul will have picture show as his nom.

Velvet

11-14-17, 10:36 PM

why sign up if you have no intentions of watching the movies

Velvet

11-14-17, 10:37 PM

I think fantastic planet is gonna be more interesting for discussion so I vote to keep

rauldc14

11-14-17, 10:52 PM

Let's keep both!!!!

It's not about winning for me, rather the discussion of two cool films.

Velvet

11-14-17, 10:53 PM

both would be optimal

Citizen Rules

11-14-17, 10:53 PM

No it wouldn't.

jiraffejustin

11-14-17, 11:05 PM

So two votes for both, one vote for one or the other. This is exciting.

cricket

11-14-17, 11:07 PM

Neither!

edarsenal

11-14-17, 11:31 PM

so much for a simple fix.

If end up not agreeing on the switch out the final option is: Fantastic staying Raul's and the two missing participants' noms being removed. Which is Condor and Last Picture.

jiraffejustin

11-14-17, 11:34 PM

Two votes for both, one vote for one or the other, one vote for neither. Good stuff so far...oh wait, never mind, Emperor Ed is laying down the law, I guess.

cricket

11-14-17, 11:36 PM

Haha I am fine with any result:p

edarsenal

11-14-17, 11:55 PM

Two votes for both, one vote for one or the other, one vote for neither. Good stuff so far...oh wait, never mind, Emperor Ed is laying down the law, I guess.

just letting everyone know what the final decision will be if we all cannot agree on one. :)

I don't think it'll be proper HoF etiquette to leave both movies in the HoF. After all, we're removing Condor regardless, and most of us has seen that as well.
It is the standard rule: Someone is unable to finish, they're movie is removed and that really needs to be upheld. Ya know?

So, at this point, we all agree to let Raul switch out or, if we all do not come to an agreement, as I first stated, Raul stays with Fantastic and we remove Picture Show and Condor so that we can move forward.

EDIT: and I forgot to mention, THANK YOU Justin for keeping a running tally - my math is horrible! :)

edarsenal

11-15-17, 12:15 AM

why sign up if you have no intentions of watching the movies

that has been a running quagmire through out the history of HoFs.
Sometimes life gets in the way, or someone over extends themselves and realizes later on that they are unable to. Sometimes, people lose interest or change their minds about participating.

Also, a number of people who were regulars, stopped, because of people joining and not finishing. So we do what we can to either keep everyone involved, or address anyone changing their mind or realizing they are unable to finish due to life or so forth, early on.

We actually got pretty lucky for a couple of them in a row when everyone stayed in and finished. Hell, there were a couple going on at the same time with some overlaps, and I was dead last for finishing on all of them. lol

It is something that does happen and we do what we can when it does.
Because the alternative is to stop having them and screw that, these HoFs are pretty f@ckin awesome, so. . .

jiraffejustin

11-15-17, 12:59 AM

I don't think it'll be proper HoF etiquette to leave both movies in the HoF. After all, we're removing Condor regardless, and most of us has seen that as well.
It is the standard rule: Someone is unable to finish, they're movie is removed and that really needs to be upheld. Ya know?

Not that I'm arguing for or against anything, but when I first started these things that wasn't a rule. Which means somebody made a decision one time, and then others followed suit. I know it's been a generally accepted practice thus far, but you can play every situation by ear... and this one is a little different than the ones in the past.

edarsenal

11-15-17, 01:16 AM

Not that I'm arguing for or against anything, but when I first started these things that wasn't a rule. Which means somebody made a decision one time, and then others followed suit. I know it's been a generally accepted practice thus far, but you can play every situation by ear... and this one is a little different than the ones in the past.
never saw it as a negative thing and I truly do appreciate the input. I truly do. Please continue to.

And I know the original idea has been built upon and tweaked and as HoFs go by we adjust and try things with the understanding that every host can keep, remove or improvise various ways of running them.
So its all a growing process and I do agree about playing every situation by ear and hopefully, with everyone's help and input I can try this out and see where it goes while still keeping the train on the track, as it were.

HashtagBrownies

11-15-17, 03:02 AM

I don't mind either outcome.

Jeff Costello

11-15-17, 01:26 PM

For the record, I'm in favour of keeping both nominations in the tournament. As for "Three Days of Condor", there's plenty of time until the deadline. It would be premature and inconsiderate to rule out the nomination, when there's still a reasonble chance the participant will return. Another 2-3 weeks should pass before any official decision is made in regards to it.

rauldc14

11-15-17, 02:28 PM

I'll keep Fantastic Planet if Last Picture Show nominator is out.

edarsenal

11-15-17, 03:04 PM

rauldc14, Yam12, Citizen Rules, Jay Redrum, Joel, cricket, HashtagBrownies, Velvet, AlexWilder, CaptainT, Jeff Costello, Nestorio_Miklos

Thank you so much everyone for voicing your input!!
While that wasn't every single person, we definitely got the folks that have invested time in Fantastic Planet so. . .

I'll play cordial host and ask rauldc14: So, you're good with keeping Fantastic Planet?

Also, not sure if it matters, but I proposed this on my own when I saw raul's comment and didn't ask him before making the announcement, so, I hope I didn't put you on the spot, raul and my apologies if I did. Just wanted to extend a little courtesy, that's all.

If raul is good and have no need to further discuss the intended switch, there is a very valid comment by Jeff Costello:
He said:
"For the record, I'm in favour of keeping both nominations in the tournament. As for "Three Days of Condor", there's plenty of time until the deadline. It would be premature and inconsiderate to rule out the nomination, when there's still a reasonble chance the participant will return. Another 2-3 weeks should pass before any official decision is made in regards to it."

Which is understandable and fair. I had originally had it set to give both Alex and Nestorio a chance to come back and continue.
With this latest scenario I considered cutting it short just to clear things up.

So, one final question (for now, anyway lol ) Shall we leave Condor and (if raul stays with Fantastic) Picture Show until the beginning of December as originally planned and everyone can either wait or watch one or both of them until we see, at that point, if either gentleman returns or simply remove them now?
What say you?

HashtagBrownies

11-15-17, 03:18 PM

Shall we leave Condor and Picture Show until the beginning of December as originally planned and everyone can either wait or watch one or both of them until we see if either gentleman returns or simply remove them now?
What say you?

That's fine.

edarsenal

11-15-17, 03:32 PM

That's fine.

you ROCK Hash, you are SO easy going!! :):)
THANK YOU

Citizen Rules

11-15-17, 03:46 PM

Both Alex and Nestorio have been good Hof members in the past. I know from past Hofs that Nestorio always gets the job done...but both are MIA from the board, hopefully they return to finish the Hof.

So how about putting The Last Picture Show and Three Days of the Condor in 'limbo'...so that they are not removed, but not required to watch either. That gives them a chance to return to the Hof.

Ed what do you think?

edarsenal

11-15-17, 04:08 PM

Not too shabby an idea. . .
I know giving them to the start of December gives everyone AND the two of them a month to watch and review everything since the tentative deadline will be January 12.

We can discuss that now or at the cut off time in the beginning of December.

For me, Condor was a happy revisit and I'm gonna watch Picture Show regardless because it's one of those that I really should have seen by now. So, I'm pretty open and just trying to keep things fair for all involved.

edarsenal

11-15-17, 09:58 PM

https://robsmovievault.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/eraserhead.jpg

Eraserhead

. . . . . . . . . um, I am truly at a loss at how to start this. And please, understand, that isn't a bad thing, I just don't know if I have the words to describe or make sufficient notes on what I witnessed.

One silly thought that popped into my head from the get go was: if I'd seen this in my youth it definitely would have been one of those "you should be tripping when you see this," movies, and yes, even for some of it, I'm pretty sure I would have.

Because, let me tell ya, the tagline of being surreal scarcely covers the very cerebral, awkward dream world that Lynch drops you into without any direction or assistance. Which, actually works; since I don't know if I could've handled the more intimate reasoning for all of it beyond the general opinion about "fear of being a father".
There is something lurking beneath that belief that borders on something Lovecraft-like without going into another realm to seek out something "nameless", and is easily found within the mind of those in this movie. A spit saturated curve ball for the brain to recoil at while finding itself drawing closer and closer, and still be unable to truly grasp - or more appropriately, be relieved that most of it remains enigmatic.

And, again, this isn't a negative review, it is. . . well, watch it if you never have and you'll see how actual words begin to fail and you simply shudder trying to comprehend or explain things.

I do need to mention that the actors excel at their special anxiety, propelling you through this. Especially the lead actor.
I won't go too far in description and I'll omit the imagery of this film until more people view it so that I don't ruin the bizarre ride that this film is.
I'll just sit here at the end and nod sympathetically, "I know, I know," and ask if you're okay.

Yam12 I say this with complete adoration: you sick, twisted, demented creature, you!
Thank you for nominating this so that I finally got to see it. :)

DocHoliday

11-15-17, 10:03 PM

Hats off to anybody who sees the brilliance in Eraserhead.... I'm just not one of them.

rauldc14

11-20-17, 03:13 PM

Is Captain T still in as well?

rauldc14

11-20-17, 03:14 PM

And Jay Redrum?

HashtagBrownies

11-20-17, 04:07 PM

I do need to mention that the actors excel at their special anxiety, propelling you through this. Especially the lead actor.

I really like that nervous expression he has on him throughout the movie, as if he used to live in our world (The normal world) and is trying to cope with the symbolic insanity of the Eraserhead world.

edarsenal

11-20-17, 04:21 PM

Is Captain T still in as well?

And Jay Redrum?

yep, both are in. Jay is moving slow, but has assured me, when sending out PMs that he is still in. And had posted a review for The Warriors shortly after.

and CaptainT is a little involved with school work and, like Jay, answered my PM and expressed his wish to continue as well.

So, they're noms are still open and I've set Nestorio's (Three Days of the Condor) and Alex's (The Last Picture Show) in Limbo - noting them on the front page. Which will remain til the first week of December and we will see if they return to the site or not.
Everyone has a choice of watching them or waiting til after the first week of December to see what befalls them.

EDIT: Also, the reason for setting it for the first week of December is simply that the tentative deadline is for January 12 and, if they return, that would be a reasonable time to play catch up without leaving too much pressure and also, being the Holidays allows everyone else ample time to plan out their own schedules in watching and reviewing.

Velvet

11-20-17, 04:38 PM

edarsenal

11-20-17, 04:39 PM

I really like that nervous expression he has on him throughout the movie, as if he used to live in our world (The normal world) and is trying to cope with the symbolic insanity of the Eraserhead world.

I completely agree. That look that remained throughout was exceptional. It was an excellent focal point as you traveled the surreal world, making him a companion in the experience as it were.

Oh, and, since the movie does have an initial hard impact, what many would simply say "repulsion" I wasn't able to respond to Doc Holiday's comment on "Hats off to anybody who sees the brilliance in Eraserhead.... I'm just not one of them." that I was truly unable to comprehend at the time, DID I? Was I? Could I?
And now, some days later, having come out the other end, I do believe I may have to the point that I may see this again before the end of the HoF knowing now, what occurs in this movie.

HashtagBrownies

11-20-17, 04:42 PM

I wasn't able to respond to Doc Holiday's comment on "Hats off to anybody who sees the brilliance in Eraserhead.... I'm just not one of them."

Maybe the brilliance he was talking about was the film in general, not necessarily its technical level.

edarsenal

11-20-17, 04:45 PM

something that puzzles me is when people say they "don't get" eraserhead. I understand this term in terms of not liking but not when somebody means that they dont understand what its trying to do. Its not some complex unsolvable puzzle and in fact its quite simply about the fears of fatherhood conveyed with an extremely stylistic style of directing

perhaps that has more to do with the personal reaction when first seeing this and, perhaps, not so much an inability to comprehend the director's intention. . .

cricket

11-20-17, 07:26 PM

Its not some complex unsolvable puzzle and in fact its quite simply about the fears of fatherhood conveyed with an extremely stylistic style of directing

That's the simplest and most popular opinion, but David Lynch disagrees.

rauldc14

11-20-17, 07:32 PM

Eraserhead

https://crackedrearviewer.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/eraserhead1.jpg

My second watch. I really like the feeling that this is a freakish dream. It's a movie that capitalizes on it's eerie atmosphere. I really like the black and white cinematography and I like the lead role character too. He's got a pretty awesome fro too. I will say that I think I appreciated the tale it was trying to tell the first time I saw it. I actually found myself a bit puzzled this time, perhaps it was because I was looking for a sort of specific meaning. But it's a different type of film that I actually don't mind watching. This was going to be my nomination, but it was taken from me by Yam :). I guess if anything I realized it is a bit of a difficult film to talk about certainly. A bit of a knock down from the first watch.

3.5+

Velvet

11-20-17, 08:16 PM

That's the simplest and most popular opinion, but David Lynch disagrees.

interesting I heard he dosent talk about it?

Can I have a link?

cricket

11-20-17, 09:21 PM

interesting I heard he dosent talk about it?

Can I have a link?

He doesn't say what it's about, just that none of the theories that have floated around match his.

http://www.vulture.com/2014/09/david-lynch-interview-eraserhead-midnight-movies.html

My theory is just that it's an experimental horror film that wasn't supposed to mean much of anything. That's not meant as a knock on him as I believe he has a knack for creating surreal worlds that are open for interpretation. On the other hand, I believe if a viewer tries hard enough, they can find deep meaning in anything.

Camo

11-20-17, 09:33 PM

a knack for creating surreal worlds

That's definitely what he's best at: creating nightmare worlds, often beautiful worlds too. Lynch has easily got to me more than any other filmmaker, i dunno his films aren't exactly scary but they definitely unsettle me. Just about every piece of his work has something: all of Eraserhead, all of Inland Empire, large parts of Twin Peaks Episode 8 of the new Season in particular, the mystery man in Lost Highway, the dumpster scene in Mulholland Drive, Frank in Blue Velvet, etc. That's easily what i love about his work; couldn't care less what any of it means. Think i started enjoying Lynch alot more when i entered that mindset, just trying to experience it rather than solve it.

edarsenal

11-20-17, 09:34 PM

That's the simplest and most popular opinion, but David Lynch disagrees.
I had read that too

and Camo makes an excellent point: better to experience a Lynch movie than to solve it.

rauldc14

11-20-17, 09:37 PM

Currently would say Elephant Man is his best work, with Eraserhead second.

Camo

11-20-17, 09:38 PM

Currently would say Elephant Man is his best work, with Eraserhead second.

Eraserhead, Elephant Man and Fire Walk With Me are joint favourites for me, not including Twin Peaks the show. Have to see Inland Empire and Lost Highway again to be sure.

rauldc14

11-20-17, 09:41 PM

Of course I wish I liked Mulholland more but I just don't.

The Straight Story was decent.

And I didn't care a lick for Wild at Heart.

Camo

11-20-17, 09:44 PM

Also for the record i wouldn't put too much stock into what Lynch says about his films. He's very serious about people coming to their own conclusions about his art, so even if he did intend for a meaning that has been mentioned i don't think he'd admit it.

Fatherhood definitely plays a part even if it's not the central meaning, he was expecting his first child when he made it so i think it'd be a mighty coincidence if that didn't play into it. Even if it was just something for a basic plot outline.

Camo

11-20-17, 09:46 PM

Of course I wish I liked Mulholland more but I just don't.

I'm really surprised you don't. It's actually pretty conventional for Lynch, it's mostly just out of sequence and with dreams injected. Thought some of the humour and beauty and especially Watts would make you at least like it.

rauldc14

11-20-17, 09:48 PM

I'm really surprised you don't. It's actually pretty conventional for Lynch, it's mostly just out of sequence and with dreams injected. Thought some of the humour and beauty and especially Watts would make you at least like it.

Yeah I love Watts. One of my favorite actresses.

Velvet

11-20-17, 09:54 PM

david lynch's voice is weird

Camo

11-20-17, 09:58 PM

I love Lynch's voice especially as Gordon, and i love that Gordon played such a big part in The Return.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BemdreTqBA0

Velvet

11-20-17, 10:09 PM

more reminders I should watch twin peaks

cricket

11-20-17, 10:47 PM

The only Lynch movie I don't like is Fire Walk With Me, but I still need to see Inland Empire and I don't want to see Dune. My favorites are The Straight Story, Blue Velvet, and Mulholland Dr.

rauldc14

11-20-17, 10:49 PM

But you must see Dune!!!!

Camo

11-20-17, 11:03 PM

The only Lynch movie I don't like is Fire Walk With Me,

You've not seen Twin Peaks have you? Even if the films not for you, you have to see the show for even a slight chance of liking it. Technically it's a prequel but the show is vital for it to work.

I think it's close to perfect. Somehow it is more insane than Inland Empire at times and somehow it's just as powerful as The Elephant Man at times.

cricket

11-20-17, 11:24 PM

I haven't seen the show

HashtagBrownies

11-23-17, 05:15 PM

I thought his best film was The Straight Story. I loved the original Twin Peaks and I'm gonna be seeing the new series possibly at the end of this year.

cricket

11-24-17, 01:26 PM

F for Fake

https://medialifecrisis.com/files/images/articles/201709-Popgap/F-for-Fake-1973/F-for-Fake-1973-00-02-30.jpg

I watched this once before back for the 70's countdown and was uninspired. I enjoyed it more this time around. I find it tough to gauge my feelings for this movie. I go into this movie unusually cynical, and that kills any surprise that is to be had. On the other hand, I feel that it is very cleverly done. As part documentary, I get more interested in a subject that I normally don't find very interesting. I think much of that has to do with Welles' screen presence and narration. It becomes even more interesting when familiar with his own history of fakery. There are some thought provoking points made about the perception of art as well. How the movie connects to the real stories is somewhat fascinating. I'm just not especially engaged by the whole thing. I enjoy it but not as much as I respect it.

3+

Citizen Rules

11-24-17, 01:38 PM

Is that Peter Bogdanovich with the camera? I kind of think it is. He was hanging out with Welles around this time.

cricket

11-24-17, 01:39 PM

Is that Peter Bogdanovich with the camera? I kind of think it is. He was hanging out with Welles around this time.

I read somewhere that he had some connection so it probably is.

Citizen Rules

11-24-17, 01:41 PM

I read somewhere that he had some connection so it probably is.Let's ask mark f ...he'll know.

cricket

11-24-17, 04:16 PM

The Warriors

https://muttonbone.com/wp-content/uploads/newcyrus-1024x574.jpg

Yes I can dig it, and The Warriors has long been one of my all time favorites. I don't know how many times I've seen it, but it's easily over 20. I believe the last time was a few years ago and it was the bastardized director's cut. I wonder if that version has resulted in some people thinking this is a futuristic movie because I never heard that before, and it's not something I see at all. Me and my buddies used to quote this movie all the time. Of course, there was always plenty of drinking involved. It's not that the dialogue is great; there's just something about it. Same with the performances because I don't think anyone would say there's great acting, yet the actors must get some credit for making all of the characters memorable. It all just works and it's a hell of a lot of fun. It doesn't hurt that it's only about 90 minutes long and it just flies by. Oh yea, the music. The score is perfect and it's accentuated by some great popular music ultimately ending with the Joe Walsh classic, In the City.

5

Camo

11-24-17, 04:18 PM

Is that Peter Bogdanovich with the camera? I kind of think it is. He was hanging out with Welles around this time.

He's only credited with a voice but i'd say yeah that's probably him.

Velvet

11-24-17, 04:45 PM

excited for F is for Fake. Never seen a Welles but will be seeing both his touch of evil and citizen kane at the movie theater soon!

cricket

11-24-17, 06:20 PM

Anyone know where I can watch Red Psalm?

Velvet

11-24-17, 06:22 PM

camo talked about it earlier In the thread I believe. I have a link from minio I think

edit: https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=1794534#post1794534

Citizen Rules

11-24-17, 06:53 PM

Camo

11-24-17, 07:04 PM

Anyone know where I can watch Red Psalm?

I'll look for it some more tomorrow, going out soon. Will message you if i find it and you don't already have it.

All i've got so far is subs above subs and that's no way to go haha.

cricket

11-24-17, 07:05 PM

Hof history has been made! I finally nominated a film Cricket really likes:up:

Three questions:

Favorite Warrior?

Favorite Gang?

Why the deal with the Lizzies?

I think I prefer Vermin and the Lizzies for some reason. What do you mean with question 3?

Citizen Rules

11-24-17, 07:07 PM

I think I prefer Vermin and the Lizzies for some reason. What do you mean with question 3? Some say the Lizzies, is short for Lizzy Bordon, like in the axe murderer. Others say it's slang as they are a lesbian gang. Though they do claim they had boyfriends, that might have also been just a ruse.

Camo

11-24-17, 07:09 PM

Lizzy Bordon was innocent! Seriously i read a very convincing case that she didn't actually do it not long ago. haha.

cricket

11-24-17, 08:56 PM

Some say the Lizzies, is short for Lizzy Bordon, like in the axe murderer. Others say it's slang as they are a lesbian gang. Though they do claim they had boyfriends, that might have also been just a ruse.

I always thought the Lizzies were Lezzies, or at least that's how I want to think.

Citizen Rules

11-24-17, 09:33 PM

I always thought the Lizzies were Lezzies, or at least that's how I want to think.LOL...that's what I thought too.

Citizen Rules

11-24-17, 09:35 PM

Lizzy Bordon was innocent! Seriously i read a very convincing case that she didn't actually do it not long ago. haha. I hadn't heard that. It would be interesting to see an in depth documentary on her and the murders...I always like that kind of stuff.

SilentVamp visited her house once. She probably knows about it too, she's into history. I wonder if she will come back to MoFo? Hope so.

edarsenal

11-25-17, 06:46 AM

I was thinking about Silent over Thanksgiving and today as well. Hope she's doin okay.

and yeah, I always thought it was a play on lezzies as well.

Citizen Rules

11-26-17, 12:58 PM

Think I'll watch Red Psalm pretty soon. I wonder if I will like it?

rauldc14

11-27-17, 08:38 AM

Think I'll watch Red Psalm pretty soon. I wonder if I will like it?

I'm saving that last probably but I haven't found a suitable copy yet either.

Citizen Rules

11-27-17, 01:08 PM

I'm saving that last probably but I haven't found a suitable copy yet either. I haven't found one either, the copy I had won't play on my TV.

I'll guess I'll wait too and see if others can find Red Psalm.

edarsenal

11-27-17, 01:50 PM

haven't had any luck finding Red Psalm as well. How was the version you found of Investigation, Citizen Rules?

Citizen Rules

11-27-17, 01:51 PM

haven't had any luck finding Red Psalm as well. How was the version you found of Investigation, @Citizen Rules (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=84637)?The copy I found of Investigation was watchable but not the best. Have you seen it yet?

edarsenal

11-27-17, 02:01 PM

The copy I found of Investigation was watchable but not the best. Have you seen it yet?

still searching for it, but VERY curious to see it

rauldc14

11-27-17, 02:23 PM

Yeah, I need that one too.

Jay Redrum

11-27-17, 04:55 PM

So I'm a little confused should I post a review for Last Picture Show? Or are we all holding off until we know if its still being included

edarsenal

11-27-17, 07:41 PM

So I'm a little confused should I post a review for Last Picture Show? Or are we all holding off until we know if its still being included

It is in "limbo". You can see it if you like, but if Alex doesn't show by the end of the first week of December, I'll be removing his and Nestorio's Three Days of the Condor from the HoF.

I'm still gonna try to see it just to see it, though at this rate, it may not last. Hopefully I'm wrong though for both of them.

rauldc14

11-29-17, 02:47 PM

So I'm a little confused should I post a review for Last Picture Show? Or are we all holding off until we know if its still being included

Are you still in?

rauldc14

11-29-17, 09:31 PM

Kramer vs. Kramer

http://www.oscarchamps.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/1979-Kramer-vs-Kramer-01.jpg

A genuine tale of how difficult it can be to parent in a divorced household situation. What makes the film good is the performances of Dustin Hoffman and Meryl Streep. These are some of the best performances that the two have had, I would probably only rank Rain Man for Hoffman above this, and likewise probably only The Hours for Streep. These were two deserved Oscar performances. The story is believable, which gives the film a perfectly authentic feel. This sort of thing could happen to any household. It's not groundbreaking or anything, but it certainly is a realistically and well told film. Nice to get to it again!

3.5

Citizen Rules

11-29-17, 09:36 PM

Oh man, I had already forgotten that Dustin Hoffman was in that. Yup, he was real good in that. Did you see The Graduate? I thought he was odd in that one.

edarsenal

11-29-17, 11:10 PM

was looking to watch this tonight but the one I found's audio wasn't very good. Looking forward to seeing Kramer vs Kramer.

and to compare Hoffman's performance in The Graduate.
Haven't seen a lot of his big/earlier movies like Midnight Cowboy or Marathon Man, along with the two above. I think the earliest movie of his I've seen is Little Big Man which I thought he was ideal in.

Citizen Rules

11-29-17, 11:13 PM

I thought he was pretty good in Little Big Man too.

Citizen Rules

11-30-17, 11:52 AM

https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/w533_and_h300_bestv2/AtZ3nRsZSTo73UwxwDc6TfHTmjW.jpg
Red Psalm (1972)

I might be tempted to call this a pretentious movie, only it's more akin to one of those silly student films, that were churned out in the early 70s. To be pretentious it would have to have something more than endless folk songs and communal dancing in circles, all the while singing the praises of communism. Talk about propaganda.

My first reaction was why did everyone on the screen look like young attractive actors. I mean look at that screen shot do they look like peasant farm workers from 1890s Hungary?

My second reaction was to feel dizzy by the continual moving camera, coupled with the long close up shots of Hungarian actors spinning in circles as the director has horse riders circling the dancers. I could tell the same horses are running out of the camera view, turning and then riding back. It was nauseating.

This could be called a Communist Folk Ballet, I call it torture.

rating_0

matt72582

11-30-17, 01:51 PM

https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/w533_and_h300_bestv2/AtZ3nRsZSTo73UwxwDc6TfHTmjW.jpg
Red Psalm (1972)

I'd call this a pretentious movie, only it's more akin to one of those silly student films, that were churned out in the early 70s. To be pretentious it would have to have something more than endless folk songs and communal dancing in circles, all the while singing the praises of communism. Talk about propaganda.

My first reaction was why did everyone on the screen look like young attractive actors. I mean look at that screen shot do they look like peasant farm workers from 1890s Hungary?

My second reaction was to feel dizzy by the continual moving camera, coupled with the long close up shots of Hungarian actors spinning in circles as the director has horse riders circling the dancers. I could tell the same horses are running out of the camera view, turning and then riding back. It was nauseating.

This could be called a Communist Folk Ballet, I call it torture.

rating_0

Sounds like my review :)

Yam12

11-30-17, 05:45 PM

https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/w533_and_h300_bestv2/AtZ3nRsZSTo73UwxwDc6TfHTmjW.jpg
Red Psalm (1972)

rating_0

That does not look promising...

Jay Redrum

11-30-17, 06:33 PM

F for Fake (1973)
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Directed By: Orson Welles, Oja Kodar, François Reichenbach, Gary Graver
After two viewings and some research I think I can comfortably state an opinion on this film now. At first viewing I was a little distracted by the fast paced editing driven by trains of thought rather then plot. The second time around I think I have a better grasp on things. The best way I can describe what I watched is this. Its like a puzzle that is furiously deconstructed and reconstructed, the product does not look like the original design, but something so much more. That is in truth what I understand it was. Footage was re-purposed by Wells to create more of an Essay about fakery in the artistic world rather then just a simple documentary about one faker. I have to say I like the film a lot, I still feel as if there are aspects that I don't quite grasp and pieces of the puzzle I fail to see but I will definitely be studying this movie more in the future.
Great nom

I'm not sure in ratings are required if they are I'll add one if not then I guess i wont change anything....

jiraffejustin

11-30-17, 06:49 PM

For some reason, every time I see a movie get a 0 I want to see it more than a film that gets a 5. I think it could be that I am impressed by the passion that movie has inspired. Red Psalm just flew up the watchlist.

edarsenal

11-30-17, 07:14 PM

great lil review, Jay Redrum, I like the part where you mentioned: "The best way I can describe what I watched is this. Its like a puzzle that is furiously deconstructed and reconstructed, the product does not look like the original design, but something so much more."
This is what I've been hearing and I'm very hyped to see this one.

And as far as the ratings, some folks do, some don't. It's entirely up to you.

Wow, sorry to hear about Red Psalm, Citizen Rules :(

Mr Minio

12-02-17, 10:04 AM

I call it torture.rating_0 Yes, the movie is torture. For xenophobic Hollywood drone slaves, who reduce all films to a common denominator, demand to identify with heroes, are unable to accept the original vision of the artist, and run away screaming from unusual camera angles. No surprise - the film surpasses their capacity of cognition. Let them not get their noses out of their beloved Dream Factory, there is a cozy and safe place, nobody challenges or forces anyone to reflect.

Velvet

12-02-17, 11:37 AM

I'll try to get to red psalm soon

edarsenal

12-02-17, 01:12 PM

QUICK UPDATE

rauldc14, Yam12, Citizen Rules, Jay Redrum, Joel, cricket, HashtagBrownies, Velvet, CaptainT, Jeff Costello

Just recieved an email from AlexWilder who graciously informed me that he won't be continuing - which, as in email, I thank him very much for responding and wish him a very Happy Holiday.
Which means, presently, his nomination, The Last Picture Show has been removed from the list. Should anyone still wish to watch and comment on it, they are more than welcome to. As it is one I've been wanting to see, I'll be checking it out at some point, regardless.
As for Nestorio's nomination, Three Days of the Condor, I will leave it in "limbo" for the remainder of the cut off time, which was to be the first week of December, which I will officially make December 8, which is next Friday.

I'll adjust the numbers on page 1 at that time and will leave links to the reviews for the missing movie(s) in red as well.

and since this IS a Seventies Hall of Fame, I will not wish everyone a Safe Holiday,but an Utterly Reckless and Obscenely Outrageous Holiday.
That is all--

Citizen Rules

12-02-17, 01:24 PM

Yes, the movie is torture. For xenophobic Hollywood drone slaves, who reduce all films to a common denominator, demand to identify with heroes, are unable to accept the original vision of the artist, and run away screaming from unusual camera angles. No surprise - the film surpasses their capacity of cognition. Let them not get their noses out of their beloved Dream Factory, there is a cozy and safe place, nobody challenges or forces anyone to reflect.
Sorry kid, you're not worth arguing with.

Citizen Rules

12-02-17, 01:27 PM

The Last Picture Show has been removed from the list.

Should anyone still wish to watch and comment on it, they are more than welcome to...It's well worth watching, and can be nominated again in future Hofs.

Jay Redrum

12-02-17, 02:17 PM

Golem level

12-02-17, 02:20 PM

Golem level

12-02-17, 02:21 PM

edarsenal

12-02-17, 02:49 PM

I'll try to get to red psalm soon

That would be great, always love reading a review from the person who nominated a film. I get a little extra insight into the film the way.

Velvet

12-02-17, 02:51 PM

hopefully you will be able to wash the taste of normie out of your mouth

edarsenal

12-02-17, 02:52 PM

I'll try to get to red psalm soon

hopefully you will be able to wash the taste of normie out of your mouth

sadly, there's a lot of normie to wash out, but I will try my best :)

rauldc14

12-06-17, 10:39 AM

Cannot find The Sting, Red Psalm, or Investigation of a Citizen Above Suspicion. Any ideas?

edarsenal

12-06-17, 07:32 PM

Sent ya a link for The Sting; can't find the other two either, so if anyone can help out I'll need them for those two as well.

rauldc14

12-06-17, 08:29 PM

Sent ya a link for The Sting; can't find the other two either, so if anyone can help out I'll need them for those two as well.

I actually found The Sting somewhere else as well. I'll be watching that next, perhaps sneaking it in tomorrow morning.

Citizen Rules

12-06-17, 08:35 PM

I actually found The Sting somewhere else as well. I'll be watching that next, perhaps sneaking it in tomorrow morning.I have a link for Red Psalm, but I don't think it will work with your phone, unless use a browser add on called Video DownloadHelper I checked at there are versions of this add on for your phone.

edarsenal

12-06-17, 10:07 PM

I finished F is for Fake yesterday and will try to do a write up tonight or tomorrow

edarsenal

12-07-17, 09:34 PM

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Kramer vs Kramer

This is another 70s flick I never seemed to watch and one I always needed to see and, was very happy to see nominated so that I had the opportunity to actually watch it.
Of course, one of the reasons I've hesitated was that I knew there was gonna be at least one scene that would make me bawl - which there was. I think it was after the ice cream fight and they make up and there was another one, which surprisingly I can't remember but they were pleasant tears all the same.

This was a very enjoyable film. It had a authenticity to it. That Every Day, this could be anyone scenario; but it wasn't every boring or tiresome, which is a very exceptional trick to pull off. Especially since we got to visit numerous A Day in the Life, like the one image I used, which I really enjoyed. The two of them sitting down, not dressed, eating breakfast and reading.
A similar situation I found amusing and rather apropos was the early morning shots from down the hall. First the little boy going to the bathroom and you hear him taking a morning pee and as he leaves, in comes the dad from the opposite end of the hall to do the exact same thing. I thought that had an excellent Circle of Life kind of thing there and it put a smile on my face. This movie was chock full of such things.

I also enjoyed seeing how we come right into it, with a close up of Streep sitting with her sleeping son and the anguish she felt as she follows through with - what she must have been worrying back and forth over and finally going through with leaving Hoffman.
And then it's Hoffman and his son trying to figure out how to live with one another and the loss of her leaving.
I think the ONLY aspect I would have liked to have seen a little more of was Joanna's life when she was away, though Streep did such an excellent job of emotionally portraying her tribulations that that wasn't truly necessary.
And the fact that both were to blame for the failure of their marriage and both and their flaws and their mistakes was the way to go for this to work as it did.

Citizen has a great ending for this: a close up on Hoffman's face as they leave instead of the way they did go which was a safe, high road, better feel way. One that would be nice to see in real life instead of the petty games that happens far too often on in such a situation.

Still, THANK YOU Joel for nominating this!!

edarsenal

12-07-17, 11:09 PM

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F is for Fake

"This film is about trickery and fraud. . ."

And THAT is all you truly need to know to sit back and follow the magician's sleight of hand.

You really gotta hand it to Orson Welles on the concept and display used for the subject matter at hand. Taking the forgery of art with the top of the game, Elmyr, but the trickery involved - not only the work but of the profession that is self-titled Experts. Along with some great tidbits of his own trickery.

It's an amusing and delicious story telling that purposely switches the pieces around and then let's you in on the joke that there wasn't any pieces to begin with. And Orson does it with such aplomb, it was a joy to play along and see the trickery play itself out.

I would have loved to have met Elmyr and hung out at one of his parties and see him kick out a forgery and then nonchalantly toss it in the fireplace.

BRAVO HashtagBrownies!! BRAVO