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http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/22/europe/germany-munich-shooting-live-updates/
The way these attacks are happening, they are not gonna stop any time soon. Here is one more in munich.
Citizen Rules
07-22-16, 05:22 PM
Please no!...not a sticky! It's OK to talk about terrorist attacks but this is Movie Forums.
Please no!...not a sticky! It's OK to talk about terrorist attacks but this is Movie Forums.
It will prevent dozens of threads from sprouting out every time an attack occurs.
I think just merging new ones into this should do the trick.
The Rodent
07-22-16, 05:27 PM
Please no!...not a sticky! It's OK to talk about terrorist attacks but this is Movie Forums.
This.
Movie Forums.
I'm getting a bit fed up seeing all these political threads and so on. I don't go into them anymore.
I come on MoFo for movies and to escape the world, like watching movies to escape the world for a few hours... if I wanted current affairs I'd stay on Facebook all day clicking the trending buttons.
Movie Max
07-22-16, 05:36 PM
It's time to start a terrorist attack thread and make it sticky
Why? European leadership is failing its citizens and talking about it here isn't going to remedy that absurd and repetitive situation. I thought I could get away from the news, here.
Omnizoa
07-22-16, 05:36 PM
I come on MoFo for movies and to escape the world, like watching movies to escape the world for a few hours... if I wanted current affairs I'd stay on Facebook all day clicking the trending buttons.
All the more reason to merge them.
Why? European leadership is failing its citizens and talking about it here isn't going to remedy that absurd and repetitive situation. I thought I could get away from the news, here.
That's kind of an argument for what he's saying, at least if you start with the premise that we're not going to, ya' know, ban such discussions.
In my city my friends are discussing when my city ( Mumbai / Bombay ) will come on the ISIS radar and will be targeted. It's scary ,man......
Citizen Rules
07-22-16, 05:47 PM
Ashdoc, I have a question that I've been wanting to ask you.
You live in India, a country with a majority of Hindus and minority of Muslims. You've talked about religious violence by some of the Muslims there against Hindu's. Question isn't the government officials largely Hindu? Why would they be so ineffectual in stopping Islamic terrorist?
Ashdoc, I have a question that I've been wanting to ask you.
You live in India, a country with a majority of Hindus and minority of Muslims. You've talked about religious violence by some of the Muslims there against Hindu's. Question isn't the government officials largely Hindu? Why would they be so ineffectual in stopping Islamic terrorist?
Muslims are extremely ferocious and police don't dare patrol their areas. Also when political parties that are partially dependent on Muslim votes to come to power are in power, they do not act even when Muslims are hiding terrorists for fear of upsetting their vote bank .
Citizen Rules
07-22-16, 05:57 PM
Thanks Ashdoc
Pandering to voters, yup, that happens in America all the time.
Why? European leadership is failing its citizens and talking about it here isn't going to remedy that absurd and repetitive situation. I thought I could get away from the news, here.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cn_SREwXEAEWriO.jpg
Thanks Ashdoc
Pandering to voters, yup, that happens in America all the time.
For example, if i get robbed in a Muslim area and go to the police then the police themselves say that I should go to the local Muslim politician of the area and he will help nab the thief. The police dare'nt tread in that area.
Omnizoa
07-22-16, 06:34 PM
For example, if i get robbed in a Muslim area and go to the police then the police themselves say that I should go to the local Muslim politician of the area and he will help nab the thief. The police dare'nt tread in that area.
Pardon but, then what ****ing good are they?
gandalf26
07-22-16, 06:54 PM
I have family in Munich, Aunt, Uncle and 2 cousins, they are safe thankgod.
Politicians have created this god awful mess, they've become so afraid of being seen to be "rascist" (apparently the worst thing you could ever be), that they have imported 3rd world ****s with a medieval mentality into our modern western society that are absolutely incompatible in almost every conceivable way.
Pardon but, then what ****ing good are they?
Police are useful in non Muslim areas, which still form majority of the country's territory.
Omnizoa
07-22-16, 06:59 PM
Police are useful in non Muslim areas, which still form majority of the country's territory. That is , till the Muslim population outbreeds the nonmuslims as it Will all over the world.
How are you supposed to rely on police if they can just refuse to do their job?
That'd be like a court that'll prosecute any crime except rape.
How are you supposed to rely on police if they can just refuse to do their job?
That'd be like a court that'll prosecute any crime except rape.
This happens when Muslims cross a certain percentage mark in population. You will shortly experience it in your own country if it is in Europe.
Sexy Celebrity
07-22-16, 07:04 PM
You want to start a terrorist attack and make it sticky?
You want to start a terrorist attack and make it sticky?
No. I want to shut up now. I have said enough.
matt72582
07-22-16, 07:51 PM
For example, if i get robbed in a Muslim area and go to the police then the police themselves say that I should go to the local Muslim politician of the area and he will help nab the thief. The police dare'nt tread in that area.
I've heard the same stuff said about England, the US... If that's true, then the police are worthless.
I always love having freedom to post anything, but even a political person like me has stopped chatting about it. It's getting redundant, cliches are being repeated.. I think one thread is enough, or a merge.
The Rodent
07-22-16, 07:53 PM
That stuff about Muslim areas in the UK where white people don't go through fear of being killed, is bollocks btw.
Sure, there's areas where there are high concentrations of Muzzies, but it's not as bad as the panic mongering tabloids say.
Omnizoa
07-22-16, 08:36 PM
This happens when Muslims cross a certain percentage mark in population. You will shortly experience it in your own country if it is in Europe.
It's a little off-putting to hear human beings described like they're delusional infestations of violence which go through metamorphic phases.
Humans are gross.
That stuff about Muslim areas in the UK where white people don't go through fear of being killed, is bollocks btw.
Sure, there's areas where there are high concentrations of Muzzies, but it's not as bad as the panic mongering tabloids say.
Yep, you are right. From everything i've seen these areas do seem to exist in Sweden but that could be more misreporting and exagarrating by the media. Only someone living in Sweden would really know for sure.
Captain Steel
07-22-16, 11:59 PM
I've never understood why people complain about thread topics on forums when they are not obliged to click on them.
This site does have its "Intermission" forum which states that it's for topics that are not movie related. If the owners / moderators of this site desired all conversation be restricted to movies, I don't think they would have created the "Intermission" section.
I understand some people may come here to escape news and the "real" world, that's fine!
The good news is that there are hundreds and hundreds of threads that can supply such an escape, so why worry about threads that are off-topic? Just seeing an off-topic title in the "New Posts" list is too much to handle?
It's like if every time I opened the New Posts list I said, "Oh no, not another countdown about TV shows!" or "Why are there threads about music on a movie site?" or "Why are people starting threads about books, comics, art, photography, politics, the Presidential election, Internet videos, cartoons, reality TV contest shows, the weather, video games, religion, sex, current events, their personal lives, etc.?"
If people like a topic then look at it, get involved in it if you choose. But if you don't like a topic don't look at it.
Why is this so complicated?
(I only ask because every discussion site I've been on ends up the same - with people complaining that there are topics that they don't want to see, but, for some reason, won't just ignore them in lieu of picking one that interests them.)
Those are fair comments but Ashdoc wasn't complaining about the existance of these threads, he was just suggesting that they be compiled into the one terrorism thread to avoid so many topics. I don't personally think it's necessary but it isn't a bad idea and i've seen it on other sites, with so many of these attacks regrettably happening and these threads usually going 20+ pages i see where he is coming from. On the topic of threads that annoy me, i really think Yoda should sticky an overrated/underrated movie thread as it seems like they are created every week haha.
Captain Steel
07-23-16, 12:11 AM
Those are fair comments but Ashdoc wasn't complaining about the existance of these threads, he was just suggesting that they be compiled into the one terrorism thread to avoid so many topics. I don't personally think it's necessary but it isn't a bad idea and i've seen it on other sites, with so many of these attacks regrettably happening and these threads usually going 20+ pages i see where he is coming from. On the topic of threads that annoy me, i really think Yoda should sticky an overrated/underrated movie thread as it seems like they are created every week haha.
Good point.
I wasn't commenting on anything Ashdoc said, but on the few people who said they don't want to see these kinds of threads on this site because they come here to read only about movies & escape reality.
Is ignoring topics that don't interest them so difficult?
Okay (and if already mentioned please excuse) then remove "off topic/non-movie) type threads from the new posts area.
Good point.
I wasn't commenting on anything Ashdoc said, but on the few people who said they don't want to see these kinds of threads on this site because they come here to read only about movies & escape reality.
Is ignoring topics that don't interest them so difficult?
Oh, right. Thought you were talking about Ashdoc. Fair enough. You'll have to ask them.
Movie Max
07-23-16, 12:34 AM
I've never understood why people complain about thread topics on forums when they are not obliged to click on them. ...
I can ignore the dozens of threads that might come up about attacks, along with the users that choose to partake in them. What I don't understand is giving them more credibility and importance than they are worth on a movie forum, like becoming front and center, sticky, relevent and permanent. Just feels like someone is making an effort to shove them down our throats, with every click on "Miscellaneous Chat". Maybe I misunderstood this topic ...???
It obviously will not become a "sticky"
"any publicity is good publicity"....
Captain Steel
07-23-16, 02:23 AM
Last two posts: forgive me if the issue is with the idea of the thread becoming "sticky."
I'm personally unfamiliar with the term, but based on the context, can pretty much figure out what it means.
Are there any "sticky" threads on this site? (I usually look at "New Posts" which seems to fluctuate based on... well... new posts).
Sticky threads are the ones marked important that are always at the top of the page. For instance there's two at the top of the Movie Reviews Subforum - http://www.movieforums.com/community/movie-reviews.html
And no i don't think this or any terrorism thread should be stickied.
Captain Steel
07-23-16, 02:34 AM
I have family in Munich, Aunt, Uncle and 2 cousins, they are safe thankgod.
Politicians have created this god awful mess, they've become so afraid of being seen to be "rascist" (apparently the worst thing you could ever be), that they have imported 3rd world ****s with a medieval mentality into our modern western society that are absolutely incompatible in almost every conceivable way.
It's true that politicians won't address the reality regarding Islam because they are afraid of being seen as "racist."
Which is ironic since Radical Islam is not a race, it's a fascist political ideology and cultural conscription couched in a religion that embraces the ideal of divinely authorized Earthly supremacy via genocide.
Captain Steel
07-23-16, 08:29 PM
Today, ISIS claimed responsibility for a suicide bombing in Kabul Afghanistan that murdered 80 people at a peaceful protest and injured nearly 300.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/23/asia/afghanistan-explosion/index.html
Omnizoa
07-23-16, 08:39 PM
Today, ISIS claimed responsibility for a suicide bombing in Kabul Afghanistan that murdered 80 people at a peaceful protest and injured nearly 300.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/23/asia/afghanistan-explosion/index.html
*******.
Getting a grip on ISIS' impact is just part of the larger struggle to get an accurate picture of the carnage in Syria. The VDC has confirmed approximately 200,000 casualties by name, photos, or videos. Their number is dwarfed by the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights' most recent estimate of as many as 330,000 casualties.
That's 20 times the death toll of the Toohoku tsunami. Would somebody just kill these guys already?
What happened in Munich had nothing to do with terrorism, so I don't see your point. You really reaaaally want these things to happen, don't you?
I didnt know what to think of this thread.....I think I understand what Im feeling on it now. A thread dedicated to all the random attacks seems like were slowing down to get a good look at the car wreck. bleah! :sick: Just distasteful and doesnt serve a purpose.
Ashdoc Im sorry youve gone thru so much hostility with Muslims, my ex went thru some trouble with them in France, but youre intelligent enough to know not all of them are like that. There are certain black neighborhoods down here that even black people are scared to go thru at night. People want to be violent animals theyll do it in the name of revenge, love, god, money, etc... There is no purity in any sect, in any country, in any church.
So Matt I think ends up being right, we cant act afraid, fuel the fear. If we do then we'll get what theyve gotten in the middle east for thousands of years, blood hate towards each other.
Edit in - Sorry, didnt mean to sound so soapboxy.
Omnizoa
07-23-16, 09:06 PM
I still say merge what we got.
donniedarko
07-23-16, 11:43 PM
Replace the shout box with the terrorist attacks box
donniedarko
07-24-16, 08:54 PM
At this rate we could use a dedicated thread
https://www.google.com/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/36880758?client=ms-android-verizon#
At this rate we could use a dedicated thread
https://www.google.com/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/36880758?client=ms-android-verizon#
**** off man. Seriously. I just can't take anymore of this ****.
Not you Donnie obviously. Just this **** happening all the time.
Captain Steel
07-24-16, 10:20 PM
Not you Donnie obviously. Just this **** happening all the time.
Whew! For a minute there I was going to say, "Hey, check out Camo givin' it to ol' Donnie!"
(a reference to "Hey, check out George givin' it to ol' T-Bone!")
Probably my favourite explained reference. :p
Movie Max
07-24-16, 11:04 PM
Sure. If we're taking suggestions on what the title for this dedicated thread should be, here is mine...
Merkel's Legacy
Movie Max
07-24-16, 11:40 PM
Don't forget the love story version of an attack... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/24/syrian-refugee-kills-woman-with-machete-in-southern-germany/
Movie Max
07-26-16, 01:58 PM
How many is that now, including today's news?
http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/school/abacus-smiley-emoticon.gif
France is at 11 since 2015...
1 Paris, 7-9 January 2015
17 killed in attacks that started at the Charlie Hebdo office
2 Nice, 3 February 2015
Three soldiers guarding Jewish community centre targeted in knife attack
3 Paris, 19 April 2015
Algerian IT student arrested on suspicion of shooting dead a woman in her car
4 Saint-Quentin-Fallavier, 26 June 2015
Man kills and beheads his boss, tries to blow up gas plant
5 Amsterdam–Paris train, 21 August 2015
Moroccan national opens fire on train but is overwhelmed by passengers
6 Paris, 13 November 2015
130 killed in gun attacks on restaurants and Bataclan concert hall
7 Valence, 1 January 2016
Man tries to run down troops guarding a mosque
8 Paris, 7 January 2016
Moroccan-born man wielding a meat cleaver tries to attack police station
9 Magnanville, 13 June 2016
Police officer and partner killed at their home in knife attack
10 Nice, 14 July 2016
At least 84 dead in truck attack during Bastille Day celebrations
11 Saint-Étienne-du-Rouvray, 26 July 2016
A priest is killed and a churchgoer wounded after two knifemen, later shot dead by police, take hostages during a church service
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/26/men-hostages-french-church-police-normandy-saint-etienne-du-rouvray
Captain Steel
07-27-16, 11:22 PM
I keep hearing people talk about how if we don't do such & such then ISIS will come here...
Or how we've got to prevent the U.S. from becoming like France & other places that have repeated terror attacks...
Or how, if we're not careful, we'll find Islamic Terrorism on our doorstep; "if we don't fight 'em there, we'll have to fight 'em here," etc.
I'm not writing this to frighten people, but simply to state the reality that it's a little late to keep worrying about the Jihad "coming here" because ISIS and Islamic Terrorism is already here and has been for a while.
(Yes, we should still heed warnings & be cautious, and not do stupid things like invite thousands of Muslims from a radical fundamentalist Islamic country into ours, because things could always get worse.)
An example of what I'm saying - in the last 24 hours, since the murder (throat slashing & near beheading) of the priest in France, I've heard people say that if ISIS "gets here" then that kind of thing could happen here.
It's amazing how people forget - we've already had beheadings of American citizens & others by Islamic radicals happen right here on our shores!
In 2014, ISIS inspired, Alton Alexander Nolen, beheaded a woman in Moore, Oklahoma in 2014.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/28/us/oklahoma-beheading.
But this wasn't the only instance of such an attack...
In 1973, Nation of Islam terrorists kidnapped a couple and nearly decapitated the man, while raping and leaving the woman for dead in Oakland, CA. That same year, on Christmas eve, another man is kidnapped, tortured and decapitated by Nation of Islam terrorists in the same city.
In 1990 a Sunni cleric was assassinated in front of a Tuscon mosque after declaring that two verses of the Qur'an were invalid.
In 2003, after undergoing a 'religious revival', a Saudi college student slashes the throat of a Jewish student with a 4" butterfly knife, nearly decapitating the young man in Houston, TX.
In 2006 a Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center in Seattle, Washington where he shoots six women, one of whom dies.
In 2009 a Muslim man beheaded his wife in Buffalo, NY because she broke with Sharia law and sought a divorce.
In 2011 an Islamic terrorist slit the throats of 3 Jewish men in Waltham, MA.
In 2013 a Muslim man beheaded 2 Coptic Christians in Buena Vista, NJ.
These are listed because they bear similarities to the murder of the priest in a church in France (where either a throat was slashed or a full beheading was committed, or a place of worship was attacked) but they all happened on American shores (not counting many stabbings & hackings with bladed weapons, or of course the many attacks with guns, bombs, vehicles & airplanes).
The list of attacks on U.S. soil alone by Islamic terrorists is extensive, but these are just a few that bear similarities to the latest attack in France.
So it's not a question of "if" Islamic terrorism comes here because it's already here.
Now it's a question of how much more do we want here.
one small attack in belgium
https://www.rt.com/news/354876-belgium-police-attack-charleroi/
Why? European leadership is failing its citizens and talking about it here isn't going to remedy that absurd and repetitive situation. I thought I could get away from the news, here.
I don't think the situation is absurd. I think the same evil is behind politicians and terrorists. Just look what happened during Euro 2016 - nothing. Even though it lasted a month. Coincidence? Gimme a break. God forbid an attack, so the whole thing was cancelled. Hollande says "We're declaring a war on the Islamic State." That's like declaring a war on himself. Imho, it's pretty clear the purpose of all this is to frighten people, so you can manipulate them. And it's also no coincidence it's happening in Europe. Europe has been weak ever since WW2. The entire army assembly of Europe isn't even close to that of USA. Or Russia. I don't wanna something to happen, as I read someone saying here, but let's face it, this doesn't look good. Worst case scenario tragically isn't improbable at all - "the fat bastards", as I like to call the evil behind it all, want to destroy Europe. And I do mean war - WW3. USA and Russia are working on it together, but each with fingers crossed. Then only they will remain, and they'll go to war. I'm not at all saying that anything I said is true, but I'm afraid it's possible, and if one thinks about it, it tragically makes sense.
Replace the shout box with the terrorist attacks box
:lol:
Captain Steel
08-22-16, 01:29 AM
Today:
Congo - Machete massacre
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3742036/Islamists-hack-death-60-people-revenge-military-operations-targeting-group-Democratic-Republic-Congo.html
Somalia - Twin car bomb massacre
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/twin-suicide-bombs-claimed-by-al-shabaab-kill-20-people-in-somalia/42387494
Turkey - Wedding suicide bomber massacre
http://pix11.com/2016/08/20/officials-22-killed-94-hurt-in-wedding-blast-in-turkey/
german chancellor angela merkel's popularity down ---
https://www.yahoo.com/news/merkels-popularity-plunges-wake-attacks-195913044.html
'intentional act' becomes terror attack---
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/19/us/new-york-explosion-investigation/index.html
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/712125/Angela-Merkel-admits-regrets-open-door-migrant-policy
Finally Merkel regrets her open door to immigrants policy.
arcan cetin is of turkish origin , so the washington mall shooting is another terror attack---
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/world/2016/09/24/arrest-made-wash-mall-shooting-investigation/mEGAEnqlOo49GZfYwiaHmK/story.html
Optimus
09-25-16, 05:05 AM
I seen the thread title and assumed this was a Sexy C thread.
Captain Steel
11-29-16, 01:46 AM
11/28/2016 attack on Ohio State University carried out by Islamic Somalian Refugee who praised a well-known al-Qaida terrorist on his Facebook page minutes before the attack.
The attack was exemplary of those outlined by ISIS as instructions to their followers to carry out wherever they can.
The attack was also exactly like those that have consistently been carried out by Islamic Terrorists in Israel over the last several years: mow people down with an automobile and then when the vehicle can go no further, exit and begin to slash bystanders with knives.
Fortunately, due to the actions of one fast cop, no one was killed except the terrorist.
But, we've come to see that when no one dies, these attacks are soon swept under the rug and forgotten (along with the singular motivation that drove these attackers & their fellow jihadists carrying out continuous atrocities in well over 50 countries), as has occurred:
Last year with the attack in Garland Texas where police killed the gunmen who came heavily armed to mass murder infidels.
Or the Islamic student who went on a stabbing spree just a year ago, who was killed by police at the University of California at Merced.
Or just two months ago when an Islamic Terrorist who was stabbing Americans in a Minnesota shopping mall was stopped (shot and killed) by an off-duty police officer.
But if the police hadn't been as lucky as they were in these recent cases, any one of these could have ended up as another Paris, Nice, Brussels, Madrid, Mumbai, London or a hundred other cities where the terrorists were not stopped before they murdered scores of innocent people.
And now... let the apologism begin.
Captain Steel
11-29-16, 02:29 AM
And just to add to the list - there was ANOTHER attack in Columbus Ohio in February of this year - when Guinea native Mohammad Barry (in the U.S. on a green card) entered the Nazareth Restaurant and began hacking people with a machete. He sent 4 to the hospital. Police chased him and he turned on them with the machete and a filet knife. Police first tasered him, but when it didn't stop him from attacking, the police shot him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Ohio_machete_attack
Nostromo87
11-29-16, 03:15 AM
Killer on the Ohio State campus is a Muslim Somalian refugee tied to ISIS
Figure the only way a Liberal would be infuriated by this is if they happened to be the one killed, course then it's too late
Time for another Crusades
http://oi67.tinypic.com/16m22dj.jpg
Made this video back in July 2016
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZGgAWwRs_4
that's me - Franko
http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n617/frankog10/6pXQZx6xkfuZ_zps2lc5cwod.gif~original
Sexy Celebrity
11-29-16, 04:08 AM
Great video, Nostromo. Great video.
I am on a hike in the mountains and mobile network is very weak here. So can't see the video. Will watch when i come back.
Friendly Mushroom!
11-29-16, 08:50 AM
Terrible event that happened. Unfortunately it does prove Trump's immigration policy correct to an extent. However, conservatives in News Article Comments Sections and on Facebook shouldn't call all liberals and colleges stupid socalists, call Obama obomba, and call liberalism a mental illness just because they failed to prevent something like this while praising a man who thinks Belgium is a city. Those comments were quite rude. All the high ranking comments I saw were like that and none of them were about giving condolences to all the victims.
Also Yoda, do you think this thread's title should be changed?
Friendly Mushroom!
11-29-16, 06:28 PM
Update: ISIS is making claims to the OSU attacker. (http://abcnews.go.com/US/isis-attempts-claim-osu-attacker-soldier/story?id=43851229)
Also, he posted some anti-USA stuff on Facebook before the attack and was featured in an interesting interview for the Lantern, the OSU newspaper back in August. (http://thelantern.com/2016/11/from-the-archives-ohio-state-attacker-featured-in-humans-of-ohio-state/#comments) It's very short so I'm not going to summarize it here.
The reason why I say this interview was interesting because if he never did the attack, this piece would just be another defense that not all Muslims are ISIS; which is true. (I'll also add it is actually better written than most other similar pieces) But with the attack, it will be interpreted with a subtle, sicker meaning (and most certainly intended meaning) that the Media portrays ISIS as evil people where the author believes they are good, hence he went on the stabbing spree.
Sad this is where the world is going to.
Killer on the Ohio State campus is a Muslim Somalian refugee tied to ISIS
Figure the only way a Liberal would be infuriated by this is if they happened to be the one killed, course then it's too late
Time for another Crusades
http://oi67.tinypic.com/16m22dj.jpg
Made this video back in July 2016
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZGgAWwRs_4
that's me - Franko
http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n617/frankog10/6pXQZx6xkfuZ_zps2lc5cwod.gif~original
unfortunately when the turks attacked and conquered constantinople ( which was the capital of the greek dominated byzantine empire ) in 1453 , the west did not lift a finger to defend it inspite of claiming the greek heritage to be their own . the turks in later centuries struck upto vienna , and the germans were saved in 1683 from being conquered by the turks due to the efforts of a polish king---jan ( john ) sobeiski , who led the army that defeated the turks in the battle of vienna .
here is the turkish film on the conquest of constantinople .
https://youtu.be/dT0Pc7juNuY
battle of mohacs---disaster for hungary and 150 years of turkish rule
https://youtu.be/Nby6izL6luM
battle of kosovo---catastrophe for serbia and no less than 500 years of turkish rule
https://youtu.be/kNirQfb4YMo
Captain Steel
12-02-16, 11:43 PM
Dang! This is a very sad but very revealing video: Ohio Students Can't Say "Terrorism"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45m9F3e1k3w
It's almost unbelievable that people THIS ignorant are attending a university. And, like radical Islamists, their ignorance is based on their embracing a kind of brainwashing (but in the students' case, the politically correct kind). This shows that as long as there is a type of liberalism that would better be called ostrichism (heads in the sand), we will continue to invite, excuse and empower Islamic terrorism.
Captain Steel
12-13-16, 04:23 PM
Has anyone heard the latest?
Ohio State University activists are defending the terrorist who pulled a fire alarm, then tried to run down fleeing students with his car and butcher as many as he could with a knife! Meanwhile, the activists are condemning the cop who shot the terrorist and saved who-knows-how-many lives!
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/12/osu-group-says-jihadi-wrongly-killed-justice-cant-come-from-a-cops-bullet
Citizen Rules
12-13-16, 04:30 PM
Has anyone heard the latest?
Ohio State University activists are defending the terrorist who pulled a fire alarm, then tried to run down fleeing students with his car and butcher as many as he could with a knife! Meanwhile, the activists are condemning the cop who shot the terrorist and saved who-knows-how-many lives!
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/12/osu-group-says-jihadi-wrongly-killed-justice-cant-come-from-a-cops-bullet I hadn't heard that. Actually I had forgotten about the attack until just now. Sad but true. I guess the human mind can only be shocked so many times until terrorist attacks become almost mundane. Terrorist attacks, all of them, are huge causes for concern, but the media pays little attention to them, unless they up the horror ante.
Anyway, tell me about that news story, what's going on there? And why do they say they choose not to call it a terrorist attack?
Captain Steel
12-13-16, 04:47 PM
I hadn't heard that. Actually I had forgotten about the attack until just now. Sad but true. I guess the human mind can only be shocked so many times until terrorist attacks become almost mundane. Terrorist attacks, all of them, are huge causes for concern, but the media pays little attention to them, unless they up the horror ante.
Anyway, tell me about that news story, what's going on there? And why do they say they choose not to call it a terrorist attack?
According to the article, some activists seem to be trying to tie it into the BLM and police brutality issues.
This terrorist was a Progressive Movement poster boy: Muslim refugee (the people that progressives want to bring here by the hundreds of thousands), and a young black male shot by cop (any black man shot by a cop, no matter the reason, even if he was trying to murder innocent people, is a hero of BLM: unlawfully murdered by the secret society of racist white-supremacist police - no matter what race the cop happens to be).
Details, facts, evidence and motives don't seem to matter to these activists.
Sadly (and unbelievably), the terrorist's defenders seem to be saying that some of the people this guy might have killed might have been "abusers" or "Islamophobes" - therefore, it's apparently okay to try to murder masses of innocent people at random because among them may be someone who's doesn't have nice, compassionate thoughts about Islamic terrorism.
Citizen Rules
12-13-16, 04:55 PM
Sad indeed. I'm ALL for treating people fairly and equally, but a terrorist will always be a bad guy in my book. I do remember when the news story broke and I learned the cops had killed the terrorist and I remember saying, good!
Captain Steel
12-13-16, 05:08 PM
Plus, think about things from the cop's point of view - he pulls up, sees people running in terror, sees a bunch of injured people bleeding in the street who've just been run over by the terrorist's car, then sees the terrorist driving a butcher knife into innocent people.
What else would the cop do? And yet, the cop issued multiple verbal warnings, telling the terrorist to drop his weapon, but the attacker went right on stabbing, so the cop shot him.
It was later revealed that this Jihadist pledged allegiance to ISIS, had set up an ambush scenario by setting off a fire alarm so he could try to run down as many fleeing people as possible, and had written: "By Allah, I am willing to kill a billion infidels.”
Apparently, No Lives Mattered to the Jihadist. (That fact seems lost on those who seem to want to paint him as just a confused young man that felt alienated, who was gunned down by a black-hating, racist cop.)
earlsmoviepicks
12-15-16, 12:56 PM
If the terries are getting froggy, we got this ***** on lock!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiWIOKKuyGE
this time it's in berlin
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/12/19/report-truck-drives-into-crowded-christmas-market-in-berlin.html
Chypmunk
12-19-16, 05:11 PM
Love the presumably auto-corrected copy :D
The man suspected to be the driver of the truck was arrested several hundred years from the scene and in being questions by police, local news reported.
also russian ambassador shot dead in turkish capital ankara
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/19/world/europe/russia-ambassador-shot-ankara-turkey.html?_r=0
Friendly Mushroom!
12-19-16, 10:49 PM
More shootings - but at a mosque in Zurich -
https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/zurich-switzerland-shooting-gunman-injures-several-at-mosque-police-say/?client=safari
There was also Yemen (http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/18/middleeast/yemen-suicide-bombing/) and Jordan (http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/18/middleeast/jordan-shootout-security/).
Captain Steel
12-20-16, 12:00 AM
B-b-but, Islam is a religion of peace!
You can't judge a worldwide religion consisting of billions by the actions of a relatively small percentage of psychotic homicidal maniacs who just keep carrying out attack after attack all over the world.
Jihadists make up only a small percentage that is compromised of global networks, lone wolves, sleeper cells, over 500 major international terrorist organizations, hundreds of covert public relations groups that secretly support terrorism, and even entire nations that support and carry out terrorist attacks in over 50 different countries, slaughtering thousands of innocents year after year by following the tenets of an ideology that is agreed to be immutable by its followers.
And the consensus of immutability by followers who believe in those tenets is the very foundation of the entire ideology - any deviation from the belief that the basic tenets of supremacy (via intimidation, subjugation, conquest & genocide) are immutable would render one an apostate - and thereby targeted for death by the immutable tenets of Islam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3d5OMM_XpA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg)
Movie Max
12-20-16, 08:41 AM
Get rid of borders and leave a dame in charge.:eek:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/80/61/d2/8061d2ae089e0a544397adc60d1ded23.jpg
this is how turks used to treat conquered east europeans
https://youtu.be/xGBkR-ygwhQ
Friendly Mushroom!
12-29-16, 08:06 PM
this is how turks used to treat conquered east europeans
https://youtu.be/xGBkR-ygwhQ
Taken from here (https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/5kdnoj/how_golden_was_the_golden_age_of_islam_and_is_dr/)
And again we cycle back to, Warner is just so uncomfortable with the medieval aspect of things it's hilarious. Muslims enslaved a million Europeans? I really, really don't think anybody of European descent (assuming the pictures of him I saw with GIS are accurate) should rev up the comparative slavery blame game, but okay, let's roll with it. Yes, medieval and early modern Muslims had slaves. Guess who else did? Medieval and early modern Christians. You know what? Sometimes they even traded with each other, either human trafficking or for ransom. If Michael McCormick's argument is right, the international slave trade during the early Middle Ages was basically the reason a Mediterranean economy managed to survive the crises of the sixth century and allow the subsequent rise of Europe. We don't approve of this practice today, much like we don't approve of border expansion through force. Again, the Middle Ages were not the modern world, which Warner just cannot seem to fathom.
Taken from here (https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/5kdnoj/how_golden_was_the_golden_age_of_islam_and_is_dr/)
this is not for recalling the past . i am giving you a glimpse into the future with that video :D
same things could happen to your women in future if you allow more of these so called refugees from the middle east in . your population is dwindling and they will grow like anything because they have a high growth rate of population .
and guess who will be the mothers of future children of these so called refugees ? they will be your women !!
Movie Max
01-01-17, 01:55 PM
When common sense prevails, all of a sudden, racial profiling is no longer racial profiling, go figure. :yup: Happy and Safe New Year, to those confused Germans.👍:up:
German police say they prevent repeat of New Year Cologne assaults
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/Q1UvGsY3kOee3bev63F77w--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAwO2lsPXBsYW5l/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/20d23cc0a5134efdac5951a4201e8e4e.jpg
Police officers surround a group of men in front of the Cologne, western Germany, main station, Saturday, Dec. 31, 2016, where a string of robberies and sexual assaults last year that were blamed largely on migrants from North Africa prompted nationwide outrage. (Henning Kaiser/dpa via AP)
German police said on Sunday they had prevented a repeat of the assaults and robberies suffered by hundreds of women in Cologne a year ago by screening 650 mostly North African men on New Year's Eve.
Police detained and screened many of the men at the main railway station as they headed towards the center of Cologne in western Germany, where the attacks a year earlier fueled criticism of Chancellor Angela Merkel's open-door migrant policy.
Cologne police chief Juergen Mathies did not say how many of the men were subsequently allowed into the city center but denied that the checks amounted to racial profiling. He also said many of those detained had been aggressive.http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-security-idUSKBN14K0NX?il=0
Captain Steel
01-01-17, 10:18 PM
It's amazing how political correctness keeps everyone from speaking the truth or actually saying what the proverbial "writing on the wall" actually says.
These mass rapes (along with various other types of terrorism) that have occurred and continue to occur throughout nations in Europe are indeed being committed by "migrants" - but not by all migrants, nor just any migrants. They are being committed by Muslim migrants.
Why? Because, Islam is not a religion of peace, it is a fascist political ideology first and foremost, and part of the ideology is complete misogyny - this isn't just an idea, it's written into the philosophy and was exemplified directly by Islam's founder - regarded as the "perfect man" by Islam and the supreme example to follow... he was a rapist, a man who took women as sex slaves after murdering their husbands - who would rape them after forcing them to watch their husband's and children's decapitations, he had women assassinated, had multiple wives and was a confirmed pedophile.
Why are women raped, beaten and murdered within Islam? Because women are nothing more than meat according to fundamentalist Islam. Their rights and the way they are treated within fundamentalist Islamic cultures are not much greater than that of livestock. Their only purpose is for labor, sexual gratification and procreation. They are not considered human beings that are equal to males within Islam and their abuse for failure to submit is mandated in Islamic teachings and scripture. This isn't some rumor - this is fact.
It's time to stop lying about what Islam teaches, what it stands for and what apologists try to convince us it is, and instead look at the way its most loyal & fundamental adherents behave throughout the world.
It's time to end the political correctness and whitewashing of Islam. Of course all Muslims are not violent, murderous or genocidal, (in fact the aid of peace-loving Muslims is the world's only hope to truly combat radical Islamic terrorism) but the ideology of Islam is all those things - and those who follow it devoutly are dedicated to carrying out and / or supporting its violent, supremacist, and intolerant tenets.
Actions speak louder than words...
During 2016 there were 2475 terrorist attacks carried out in the name of Islam in 61 countries.
Last year Islamic Terrorists murdered 21,440 human beings and injured 26,667 people.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=2016#
Movie Max
01-08-17, 06:22 PM
Glad Merkel considered EU economies, when she began whitewashing German sins with an open and borderless Europe.:rolleyes:
Protect your citizens and visitors, and you won't have to cry about financial losses. Pansies.
Louvre blames 2 million fall in visitor numbers on terrorism fears
Paris institution lost nearly €10m and welcomed 15% fewer visitors than in 2015 as international tourists were put off by series of terror attacks in France.
The number of French visitors has remained stable, but the Louvre has lost international tourists put off by the series of terrorist attacks in France since January 2015. There was also a drop in school visits because of increased security following the November 2015 attacks across the city.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/08/louvre-blames-2-million-fall-in-visitor-numbers-on-terrorism-fears
matt72582
01-08-17, 06:42 PM
All religion is bad... Any kind of group, mind control is killing society.
Women aren't beat in christian households for not obeying their husband? Read the books. Seems like christian nations do most of the killing, dropping of bombs, etc...
Friendly Mushroom!
01-08-17, 07:11 PM
All religion is bad... Any kind of group, mind control is killing society.
1. Generalizations like this are terrible and not much different from generalizations from people like the DAnconica person or Frombeyond. This kind of close-mindedness is the reason why the world is like it is today. The belief that one's beliefs are correct and all who disagree are evil, etc. While we can never compromise to make everyone happy, we could at least respect those who mean well despite different opinions.
2. If you believe religion is mind control killing society, than political groups can also be guilty of this too - including political groups you support. Religions promote a set of beliefs, political groups promote a set of beliefs; this is not much different.
Women aren't beat in christian households for not obeying their husband?
1. Who says this doesn't happen? It may common or not but you are acting a majority of people will say others.
2. Though domestic abuse is bad, it does seem odd you mention this right before the next part of your comment.
3. Nonchristian husbands probably beat their wives too. Also men get rape too. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_of_males)
Read the books.
I'm currently reading The Icelandic Sagas, what are you currently reading? :)
Seems like christian nations do most of the killing, dropping of bombs, etc...
All different kinds of people have killed another. If Christians did the most of it (population wise, Christianity is the largest), it doesn't matter. It's still a terrible act. Jews, Muslims, Atheists, etc have killed people too.
So if you call me fascist in response to this like you did Yoda earlier, just tell yourself that people are naturally flawed but it does not mean people can be all good or all bad, and that someone that may not politically agree with you is not always fascist or communist or what ever.
Captain Steel
01-08-17, 09:48 PM
All religion is bad... Any kind of group, mind control is killing society.
Women aren't beat in christian households for not obeying their husband? Read the books. Seems like christian nations do most of the killing, dropping of bombs, etc...
"Christian nation" is such a loaded term. There actually is no Christian theocracy on Earth (except for the Vatican - a "country" the size of a college campus - even calling it a country is somewhat of a misnomer as it's just the location for the head of the Catholic Church nestled inside Rome).
Secular nations do the most dropping of bombs, which makes sense since secular nations are the most common type of nation. In fact, there really are no theocracies currently on Earth except for Islamic ones (they are: Afghanistan, Iran, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Sudan & Yemen, i.e. some of the world's leading supporters and exporters of Islamic Terrorism).
There are no countries utilizing any other religions as their form of government.
Now, if you're talking about countries that were founded upon or incorporated certain religious precepts into their foundational documents or constitutions, that's a different story.
As for women being beaten - as others pointed out, this is for the most part a societal issue involving men with mental & emotional problems, who, in many cases, suffered abuse themselves as children. And the incidents span various cultures, social backgrounds & religions.
There is absolutely nothing in any Christian doctrine, gospel or teaching of Jesus that advocates, allows, prompts or tolerates men to beat their wives or anyone else (unlike Islam which has wife-beating instructions documented right in its scriptures and was founded by a man who raped, beat and tortured women, had them assassinated, and took women and little girls as wives and sex slaves - and he is the man that Muslims are told they must emulate as his behaviors were perfect in the sight of Allah).
Friendly Mushroom!
01-08-17, 09:59 PM
All religion is bad... Any kind of group, mind control is killing society.
Women aren't beat in christian households for not obeying their husband? Read the books. Seems like christian nations do most of the killing, dropping of bombs, etc...
"Christian nation" is such a loaded term. There actually is no Christian theocracy on Earth (except for the Vatican - a "country" the size of a college campus - even calling it a country is somewhat of a misnomer as it's just the location for the head of the Catholic Church nestled inside Rome).
Secular nations do the most dropping of bombs, which makes sense since secular nations are the most common type of nation. In fact, there really are no theocracies currently on Earth except for Islamic ones (they are: Afghanistan, Iran, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Sudan & Yemen, i.e. some of the world's leading supporters and exporters of Islamic Terrorism).
There are no countries utilizing any other religions as their form of government.
Now, if you're talking about countries that were founded upon or incorporated certain religious precepts into their foundational documents or constitutions, that's a different story.
As for women being beaten - as others pointed out, this is for the most part a societal issue involving men with mental & emotional problems, who, in many cases, suffered abuse themselves as children. And the incidents span various cultures, social backgrounds & religions.
There is absolutely nothing in any Christian doctrine, gospel or teaching of Jesus that advocates, allows, prompts or tolerates men to beat their wives or anyone else (unlike Islam which has wife-beating instructions documented right in its scriptures and was founded by a man who raped, beat and tortured women, had them assassinated, and took women and little girls as wives and sex slaves - and he is the man that Muslims are told they must emulate as his behaviors were perfect in the sight of Allah).
I would like this but the last paragraph is more of an unbalanced "turn the tables" on Islam; especially since it isn't cited. Matt did say all religions suck so that probably includes Islam as well, though probably to a lesser extent than Christainity.
Captain Steel
01-08-17, 10:12 PM
I would like this but the last paragraph is more of an unbalanced "turn the tables" on Islam; especially since it isn't cited. Matt did say all religions suck so that probably includes Islam as well, though probably to a lesser extent than Christainity.
Understood, but since this is a thread about terrorism, I will talk about Islam and its foundational ideology that drives worldwide Islamic terrorism (until Yoda deems that my "Islamophobia" in the face of continuous global Islamic Terror attacks is unwarranted and sanctions me for it). ;)
I would agree with Matt if the idea was that extremism in all religions sucks, or that all extremist religions that hold tenets of intolerance, hatred or supremacy via genocide suck.
Friendly Mushroom!
01-08-17, 10:23 PM
I would like this but the last paragraph is more of an unbalanced "turn the tables" on Islam; especially since it isn't cited. Matt did say all religions suck so that probably includes Islam as well, though probably to a lesser extent than Christainity.
Understood, but since this is a thread about terrorism, I will talk about Islam and its foundational ideology that drives worldwide Islamic terrorism (until Yoda deems that my "Islamophobia" in the face of continuous global Islamic Terror attacks is unwarranted and sanctions me for it). ;)
I would agree with Matt if the idea was that extremism in all religions sucks, or that all extremist religions that hold tenets of intolerance, hatred or supremacy via genocide suck.
That's fine.
Captain Steel
01-08-17, 10:25 PM
I would like this but the last paragraph is more of an unbalanced "turn the tables" on Islam; especially since it isn't cited.
People are always asking me to cite where the things I talk about are located in Islam. I hate doing it because the information is extensive and so easily found on line for anyone interested enough to look (but most people don't want to look it up and then, when it is supplied to them, don't want to read it - I'm not accusing anyone here of that, just sayin' that's been my past experience with people who request citations).
But this is just the first resulting site (out of over two and half million) on the subject that comes up when you Google "wife beating in Islam".
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/wife-beating.htm
Citizen Rules
01-08-17, 10:36 PM
I can see what all of you are saying about religion. Like anything it has it's pros and cons, it's benefits and it's negatives.
I will say this: religion is a human endeavour and it's mankind's attempt to control the uncontrollable. Humans can be both good and evil and so can religion. It's a belief and it depends on how it's used.
Captain Steel
01-08-17, 10:44 PM
I can see what all of you are saying about religion. Like anything it has it's pros and cons, it's benefits and it's negatives.
I will say this: religion is a human endeavour and it's mankind's attempt to control the uncontrollable. Humans can be both good and evil and so can religion. It's a belief and it depends on how it's used.
I would add that it's also mankind's attempt to try to find a way to accept the unacceptable and explain the randomness of nature & circumstances that cant really be explained (at least not with our current level of knowledge).
The misuse begins when people use religion to rationalize that their belief or their god make them better than others (and thus entitled to be in charge of or claim ownership of everything), or puts them in a self-perceived raised position to become the interpreters, enactors & enforcers of their god's laws.
Mr Minio
01-09-17, 04:40 AM
The problem is some people love God whereas they forget to love the man.
Movie Max
01-09-17, 12:44 PM
Religion is just a tool, an excuse, used by man, to control the uneducated or lacking in life experience masses. Change the tool, the one thing that remains constant is man exploiting man. The personal agenda of man determines whether the result is a suicide bomber or a doctor without borders. There is a monster in each and every one of us, from peasant to priest to president. Ultimately, we decide if it should come out and play.
Movie Max
01-29-17, 11:41 PM
http://heavy.com/news/2017/01/quebec-city-canada-mosque-shooting-victims-shooter-gunman-photos-video-injuries-deaths/
Pussy Galore
01-30-17, 03:08 AM
Yeah, tonight in Quebec city there was an horrible terrorist attack.
It's 2 white males killing muslims praying, it's quite shocking that it happened in my province.
Movie Max
01-30-17, 11:32 AM
It's 2 white males...
Is it?
The report said that one of the suspects, Khadir, is of Moroccan origin and an immigrant from the country, with TVA Nouvelles reporting that he is in his “late 20s to early 30s.”
Movie Max
01-30-17, 11:17 PM
The early coverage of this was a real mess. They settled on one terrorist or lone wolf or...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-city-mosque-attack-alexandre-bissonnette-1.3958559
Captain Steel
01-30-17, 11:37 PM
The early coverage of this was a real mess. They settled on one terrorist or lone wolf or...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-city-mosque-attack-alexandre-bissonnette-1.3958559
Man, he looks like such a little dweeb! (Of course, all these dweebs look like dweebs after they murder people.)
If he was anti-feminist, then why was he targeting Muslims? (The base ideology of Islam is anti-feminist and mysoginistic). Maybe he's like a reverse Hans Brevick - that guy claimed to be anti-Muslim, so he went and murdered a whole lot of non-Muslim kids!
I condemn all acts of terrorism and such heinous crimes!
I'd like to see this dweeb, Dylann Roof, Hans Brevick and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev all put in a room to face a "Saw" scenario (wherein Jigsaw wins and no one comes out alive.)
Just venting.
Iroquois
01-30-17, 11:45 PM
If he was anti-feminist, then why was he targeting Muslims? (The base ideology of Islam is anti-feminist and mysoginistic). Maybe he's like a reverse Hans Brevick - that guy claimed to be anti-Muslim, so he went and murdered a whole lot of non-Muslim kids!
Presumably, it's because his hatred for Muslims managed to outweigh his hatred for feminism.
Citizen Rules
01-30-17, 11:47 PM
Alright I need to say this...was the shooter a Trump fan? Cause I think we are going to see a lot more bigoted hatred being dragged out of the closet and onto the streets of America...Ya I know it was Canada. Aren't Canadians suppose to be friendly? what's going on there!
Captain Steel
01-31-17, 12:55 AM
Alright I need to say this...was the shooter a Trump fan? Cause I think we are going to see a lot more bigoted hatred being dragged out of the closet and onto the streets of America...Ya I know it was Canada. Aren't Canadians suppose to be friendly? what's going on there!
Hopefully we'll find out.
But we need to be careful not to engage in blame casting in skewed directions.
Millions of people are Trump fans, just as millions are Hillary fans or Bernie fans, etc. But none of the fans who are in their right mind would be "inspired" by anything any of these people had to say to the point where they would brutally murder innocent people - that's a capacity that originates in the perpetrator. Sure, people can be influenced, but until Trump touts an ideology of supremacy through genocide and says "go kill Muslims wheresoever ye may find them," we can't blame the President for the actions of a homicidal maniac.
Pussy Galore
01-31-17, 01:03 AM
He was a trump and Marine Le Pen fan, he was following lots of right wing stuff and hated muslims.
However, I don't know if we can correlate Trump or Le Pen with this guy, he was quite crazy and racist, we can disagree with Trump, but it doesn't go as far as that.
The mistake I made yesterday was that the media said there were 2 suspects, but actually one of those called ''suspects'' was actually there to help some of his friends.
Iroquois
01-31-17, 01:07 AM
Hopefully we'll find out.
But we need to be careful not to engage in blame casting in skewed directions.
Millions of people are Trump fans, just as millions are Hillary fans or Bernie fans, etc. But none of the fans who are in their right mind would be "inspired" by anything any of these people had to say to the point where they would brutally murder innocent people - that's a capacity that originates in the perpetrator. Sure, people can be influenced, but until Trump touts an ideology of supremacy through genocide and says "go kill Muslims wheresoever ye may find them," we can't blame the President for the actions of a homicidal maniac.
Yeah, who in their right mind would vilify millions of people who happened to share something in common with a person who had done something horribly wrong?
Captain Steel
01-31-17, 01:13 AM
Yeah, who in their right mind would vilify millions of people who happened to share something in common with a person who had done something horribly wrong?
I don't know... who would vilify people who happen to share an violent ideology that directly commands genocide to achieve supremacy over all the Earth and that hail from specific parts of the world which encourage & export global terrorist networks in order to protect their country from those networks carrying out terrorist attacks as have been recently committed in Paris, Brussels and dozens of other countries? ;)
Pussy Galore
01-31-17, 01:16 AM
I don't know... who would vilify people who happen to share an violent ideology that directly commands genocide to achieve supremacy over all the Earth and that hail from specific parts of the world which encourage & export global terrorist networks in order to protect their country from those networks carrying out terrorist attacks as have been recently committed in Paris, Brussels and dozens of other countries? ;)
Do you say islam is inherently violent or that there are certain muslims that happen to be violent?
Captain Steel
01-31-17, 01:34 AM
Do you say islam is inherently violent or that there are certain muslims that happen to be violent?
Good questions. Maybe I can clear up some misconceptions about my apparent "Islamophobia" (an alleged "mental disorder" created by Political Correctness to attempt to completely silence anyone who so much as acknowledges the history and incessant violence of global Islamic Terrorism).
I am anti-Islam because I've studied what Islam teaches and what it says its followers should believe and do to establish religious supremacy - an openly stated goal of Islam.
I am not anti-Muslim. Just as there are millions of Jews who do not embrace or attempt to enforce the "laws" of the Old Testament, there are millions of Muslims who do not embrace the literal teachings of Islam or feel duty-bound to carry out its mandates.
There are many moderate Muslims, but there is no moderate Islam.
The philosophy of Islam is inherently violent - anyone who reads the scriptures or studies the life of the prophet who wrote them and who has been taught about in the Sunnahs, and the 1400 year history of Islamic conquest can see that as a simple matter of fact.
There are certain Muslims who embrace the teachings, take them literally and act upon them, and there are many more who do not. And, of course there are those who publicly deny some teachings, or claim they do not accept any violent interpretations of them, while covertly supporting those who act on them directly.
Iroquois
01-31-17, 01:36 AM
I don't know... who would vilify people who happen to share an violent ideology that directly commands genocide to achieve supremacy over all the Earth and that hail from specific parts of the world which encourage & export global terrorist networks in order to protect their country from those networks carrying out terrorist attacks as have been recently committed in Paris, Brussels and dozens of other countries? ;)
Anti-Trump people.
Seriously, though, the structuring of this post really doesn't help your case.
Captain Steel
01-31-17, 01:43 AM
Anti-Trump people.
Seriously, though, the structuring of this post really doesn't help your case.
It's badly written.
Movie Max
01-31-17, 08:51 AM
But none of the fans who are in their right mind would be "inspired" by anything any of these people had to say to the point where they would brutally murder innocent people - that's a capacity that originates in the perpetrator.
First trigger for a nut job that I thought of, was the Prime Minister's earlier welcoming tweet.
Movie Max
01-31-17, 08:55 AM
The mistake I made yesterday was that the media said there were 2 suspects, but actually one of those called ''suspects'' was actually there to help some of his friends.
There was a lot of false info...
http://globalnews.ca/news/3213204/false-reports-circulating-about-quebec-mosque-shooters-identity/
Movie Max
01-31-17, 09:04 AM
Do you say islam is inherently violent or that there are certain muslims that happen to be violent?
I think it has been said many times, that radical or fundamentalist islam is inherently violent.
Citizen Rules
01-31-17, 01:19 PM
The President of the USA sets the moral tone for the nation. And trends have a starting point.
When we had a youthful, optimistic president like John F. Kennedy people looked to the future with hope.
When we had a president like Ronald Reagan that endorsed behind-the-scenes weapons deals and encouraged big business mergers, we got an attitude in America that, greed was good.
Now we have a president who runs to Tweeter to shout out every angry though that comes into his head...and who shows zero restraint, zero respect and lets it 'all hang out'...
Trump too helps set the moral tone, so now the angry rednecks feel it's OK to spit out their tobacco juice and start yelling at the top of the lungs how much they hate those who aren't like themselves.
Trump has empowered those closeted bigots who felt they had no voice and so held their hateful tongues. Thanks to Trump's own in-your-face behavior, he's now made it 'OK' for people to 'let it all hang out' and lash out with anger, because that's his leadership example.
Captain Steel
01-31-17, 01:36 PM
I don't disagree with you Rules, about Trump. But there's a big difference between setting an example of speaking your mind (even in an uncouth fashion) and going into a mosque to randomly murder people.
Plus, what we know so far is that it SEEMS that this Canadian shooter was angry at his own country's President for saying he would not seek to enact enhanced security measures to protect his country from potential incursion by terrorists from the middle east, but would invite those who cannot be fully vetted (and the reality is that no one can be fully vetted). That may only define the killer's motivation, in no way does it defend or rationalize his actions. Of course, we still don't have all the facts.
As I said on another thread - I don't agree with the way Trump's ban was carried out, but let's remember that Obama placed much longer bans on certain Muslim dominated countries during his Presidency and so did Jimmy Carter after the Iranian hostage crisis. This isn't a new behavior for a President, just one that's more publicized in this case.
Citizen Rules
01-31-17, 01:45 PM
Captain, I'm not directly saying that any one act, can be solely accredited to Trump...But I do have a sixth sense for trends and I sense a change with American's who previously felt they couldn't speak up...now, feeling it's OK to say unpopular and unPC things, as the President does it.
Two days ago, I was at Lowe's store in Washington state and in the parking lot I saw something I've never seen before. There was this older pick up truck and on its back window in big bold letters made of really wide tape it said, "STAY OUT OF WASHINGTON, WE ARE FULL"
Is Trump responsible for that? It's impossible to say, as I can't read the mind of the hateful man who owned the truck. But it sure looked like a trend to me. It made me and my wife sick too.
Movie Max
02-03-17, 10:38 AM
French soldier shoots attacker outside Louvre
A French soldier guarding the Louvre in Paris has shot a man who tried to attack a security patrol with a machete shouting "Allahu Akbar", police say.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38853841
France has the biggest population of Muslims in Europe, except for Russia. And the proportion of terrorist attacks is proportional to their population. Which is why France has maximum terrorist attacks in recent times.
Movie Max
03-10-17, 11:52 AM
Suspect in German train attack was an asylum seeker from Kosovo, officials say
The suspect in the attack was identified in the German news outlet Spiegel Online as 36-year-old Fatmir H.https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/several-injured-in-axe-attack-at-duesseldorf-train-station/2017/03/09/366557e8-0513-11e7-9d14-9724d48f5666_story.html?utm_term=.629355da145c
People are always asking me to cite where the things I talk about are located in Islam. I hate doing it because the information is extensive and so easily found on line for anyone interested enough to look ]
Seriously? The subjugation of women is in all the Abrahamic religions if you want to look for it, Cap.
Captain Steel
03-10-17, 05:15 PM
Seriously? The subjugation of women is in all the Abrahamic religions if you want to look for it, Cap.
Oh, here we go...
In general, wife beating is far more a cultural phenomenon than it is a religious one. Keep in mind, that in ancient times, women were almost universally subjugated as most cultures believed they were inferior to men - and while this concept may have been supported within some religions, it also exceeded religion to make it a common social norm.
The third Abrahamic religion: Christianity (which is only "Abrahamic" in that it stems out of Judaism) has no religious authorization for men to abuse or subjugate women.
Judaism is pretty hard on women with some heavy handed tenets - most of which, thank goodness, are ignored by modern Jews.
Islam directly mandates the physical abuse of women in its scriptures to be carried out by their husbands and is still commonly practiced throughout many Islamic cultures.
Oh, here we go...
I stopped reading right there. Stupid me, I should have stopped reading at your comment about 'apologists'. How in god's name did a thread about terrorist attacks turn into a thread about hadiths? Woah dude. You have tunnel vision.
Captain Steel
03-10-17, 05:40 PM
Suspect in German train attack was an asylum seeker from Kosovo, officials say
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/several-injured-in-axe-attack-at-duesseldorf-train-station/2017/03/09/366557e8-0513-11e7-9d14-9724d48f5666_story.html?utm_term=.629355da145c
This reminds me of a sign I saw a protester holding that said "Refugees are NOT Terrorists!"
What a ridiculous sign because it says nothing pertinent to the actual situation.
Okay, "Refugees are NOT Terrorists..." so what if a Terrorist poses as a Refugee or what if a Refugee seeking to escape a bad situation is also a jihadi Terrorist - does that make them NOT a Terrorist as they are planting a bomb, mowing down people at a concert, or murdering scores of innocent people?
It's like if I held up a sign that said "White people are NOT criminals!" Okay, sure, most white people are not criminals - yet a lot of criminals are white people. Holding up a sign does not negate the FACT of REALITY that there are white people who are also criminals!
It's just a pointless message when ISIS has already stated that they intend to infiltrate refugees and pose as refugees to get into "infidel" countries to carry out terrorist attacks - and they have demonstrated that their intention is absolutely true as they've already infiltrated other countries by posing or entering as refugees on multiple occasions and murdering hundreds!
Captain Steel
03-10-17, 05:42 PM
I stopped reading right there. Stupid me, I should have stopped reading at your comment about 'apologists'. How in god's name did a thread about terrorist attacks turn into a thread about hadiths? Woah dude. You have tunnel vision.
Because. friend Dani, a large part of this discussion is talking about, exposing and understanding the underlying ideology that drives global Islamic terrorism.
Because. friend Dani, a large part of this discussion is talking about, exposing and understanding the underlying ideology that drives global Islamic terrorism.
There it is again. Mention of terrorism = Islam. Unbelievable. I thought you were smarter than this. Your posts about hadiths concerning wives had absolutely nothing to do with this thread; you just wanted to jump on the bandwagon. Your comment about apologists was nothing but dismissive to anyone who disagreed with your ignorance, and you still claim there is nothing in the bible or the torah about subjugating women.
This would be hilarious if it wasnt so sad.
Back to terrorism. Has Anders Behring Breivik been fried in Norway yet?
Captain Steel
03-10-17, 05:50 PM
I stopped reading right there. Stupid me, I should have stopped reading at your comment about 'apologists'. How in god's name did a thread about terrorist attacks turn into a thread about hadiths? Woah dude. You have tunnel vision.
And just to let you know, my saying "Oh here we go" harkens back to when you told me you enjoyed debating controversial topics (including this one) and we kind of indicated that we'd pick up on that at a future time... so I was saying "here we go" not as a statement of derision, but like that time we'd discussed had arrived.
Captain Steel
03-10-17, 05:57 PM
There it is again. Mention of terrorism = Islam. Unbelievable. I thought you were smarter than this. Your posts about hadiths concerning wives had absolutely nothing to do with this thread; you just wanted to jump on the bandwagon. Your comment about apologists was nothing but dismissive to anyone who disagreed with your ignorance, and you still claim there is nothing in the bible or the torah about subjugating women.
This would be hilarious if it wasnt so sad.
Back to terrorism. Has Anders Behring Breivik been fried in Norway yet?
Okay, to want to disassociate Islam from global terrorism displays a disconnect.
Yes, there are some non-Islamic terrorists in the world. But no other "religion" on Earth has global networks of terrorists that are continually carrying out terrorist attacks and share a scripturally sanctioned, political ideology and consistent historical pattern of earthly conquest through intimidation, subjugation and genocide that supports and encourages ongoing terrorism.
Okay, to want to disassociate Islam from global terrorism displays a disconnect.
Wut? I was disconnecting from your hijack and asking about a terrorist who was convicted of mass murder. Take your blinkers off, mate.
Captain Steel
03-10-17, 06:09 PM
Wut? I was disconnecting from your hijack and asking about a terrorist who was convicted of mass murder. Take your blinkers off, mate.
You'll have to be more specific as to my hijacking, Dani - it's been a long thread (and a long couple decades of posting to discussions about global Islamic Terrorism after watching human beings splatter on the sidewalks of NYC in 2001).
And I have no problem discussing Hans Brevick - he's a mass murdering piece of **** ! In fact I think I brought him up a while back.
But I am late and have to run - will check back.
OK so your islamophobia stems from 9/11. I can appreciate that but you do realise, do you not, than bin Laden was a wahhabi and that extremist sect has been condemned by the majority of the Islamic world. That would be like someone saying all christians re like westboro church or revving up for crusades and grand inquisitions. And once again, your view of the hadiths and wives hd nothing to do with a thread on international and domestic terrorism.
Captain Steel
03-11-17, 12:17 AM
Hi Dani, hope you're not still mad at me for being an "Islamophobe."
But looking back, it looks like you were referring to my remarks that were in direct response to posts about the attacks on women in Germany and the rape epidemic that has spread across Europe, perpetrated by Islamic refugees. So my responses weren't off-topic, but in direct reply to reports posted by others. I delved into the ideology of M.E. culture that makes the rape of women a widespread phenomenon among non-westernized Muslim males and how the Islamic ideology as spelled out in Sharia law makes it almost impossible for women to find justice in legal systems rigged to discredit the victim while making rape and abuse of females acceptable practices for males under Islam.
Just to make my stance a little more understandable here's a copy of one of my posts from the previous page:
Good questions. Maybe I can clear up some misconceptions about my apparent "Islamophobia" (an alleged "mental disorder" created by Political Correctness to attempt to completely silence anyone who so much as acknowledges the history and incessant violence of global Islamic Terrorism).
I am anti-Islam because I've studied what Islam teaches and what it says its followers should believe and do to establish religious supremacy - an openly stated goal of Islam.
I am not anti-Muslim. Just as there are millions of Jews who do not embrace or attempt to enforce the "laws" of the Old Testament, there are millions of Muslims who do not embrace the literal teachings of Islam or feel duty-bound to carry out its mandates.
There are many moderate Muslims, but there is no moderate Islam.
The philosophy of Islam is inherently violent - anyone who reads the scriptures or studies the life of the prophet who wrote them and who has been taught about in the Sunnahs, and the 1400 year history of Islamic conquest can see that as a simple matter of fact.
There are certain Muslims who embrace the teachings, take them literally and act upon them, and there are many more who do not. And, of course there are those who publicly deny some teachings, or claim they do not accept any violent interpretations of them, while covertly supporting those who act on them directly.
I'm not mad at you, Cap, and never was. After you left to go and have real life fun I did the same. I went to visit my next door neighbours who are Iranian (they must be terrorists, right?). I was going to ask my gentle friend if he flogs his wife in accordance with the hadiths because I have never heard domestic violence coming from the house right next to my kitchen but he had just returned from mosque and had a fruit basket for his wife which they shared with me. I wasnt even wearing a... OMG... headscarf.
Movie Max
03-11-17, 05:32 PM
Two arrested after Germany shuts down shopping mall over fears of terrorist attack
Security services cited by the German tabloid newspaper "Bild" described the threat as a potential multiple suicide bombing.
http://www.dw.com/en/two-arrested-after-germany-shuts-down-shopping-mall-over-fears-of-terrorist-attack/a-37906145
Two arrested after Germany shuts down shopping mall over fears of terrorist attack
http://www.dw.com/en/two-arrested-after-germany-shuts-down-shopping-mall-over-fears-of-terrorist-attack/a-37906145
Security services cited by the German tabloid newspaper "Bild" described the threat as a potential multiple suicide bombing.
Awesome reporting. So is the report by The Sun.
Movie Max
03-11-17, 08:16 PM
Awesome reporting. So is the report by The Sun.
I'd be more interested in whether or not a mall that sees 60 000 people on a Saturday, was actually closed on a Saturday for the reported reason. Those least afraid of reporting the truth, will report it first because it does not conflict with their agenda. The link was from DW.
Movie Max
03-11-17, 08:52 PM
In case you're wondering, here is the agenda of "Germany's public service broadcaster"...
Reporting on rampaging migrants and child-killing Germans
http://www.dw.com/en/reporting-on-rampaging-migrants-and-child-killing-germans/a-37893425
Good article and I agree with most of that, plus all the fake ISIS reporting to grab attention. That;s just doing the job for those lunatics to give them free advertising.
How does a kid from a good family get caught up in this? Very scary for his mum right now. And strangely, this is the first report I've seen of it
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sydney-man-john-zakhariev-21-arrested-in-bulgaria-on-terrorism-charges-20170308-gutsag.html
http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/15/14932490/twitter-hack-turkey-nazi-holland-germany-erdogan
Different to the general definitions but I regard this as terrorism. Erdogan is almost as bad as Kim. Turkey is getting such a bad reputation and the people are really lovely.
Movie Max
03-17-17, 10:25 AM
Man held after father and brother found with throats slit in Paris
Some witnesses said the suspect made remarks "linked to radical Islam" but the police urged caution, saying the killer's motives were unknown.
Newspaper Le Figaro cited a police source who said the knifeman shouted "Allahu Akbar" ('God is greatest', in Arabic)https://www.thelocal.fr/20170317/father-and-son-found-with-their-throats-slit-on-paris-street
http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2017/03/17/01016-20170317ARTFIG00132-deux-hommes-retrouves-egorges-a-paris.php
Man held after father and brother found with throats slit in Paris
https://www.thelocal.fr/20170317/father-and-son-found-with-their-throats-slit-on-paris-street
http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2017/03/17/01016-20170317ARTFIG00132-deux-hommes-retrouves-egorges-a-paris.php
I'm not sure why you think that has anything to do with a terrorist attack? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
than bin Laden was a wahhabi and that extremist sect has been condemned by the majority of the Islamic world.
give me some links proving the fact that the wahabbi sect has been condemned by majority of the islamic world .
give me some links proving the fact that the wahabbi sect has been condemned by majority of the islamic world .
I'm pretty sure it's easy enough to find them, ash.
mattiasflgrtll6
03-17-17, 02:33 PM
This is a s'hitty thread.
I'm pretty sure it's easy enough to find them, ash.
yeah sure . and till you find them , here is an article about wahabbi's growing influence in my country---india . happy reading !!
http://thediplomat.com/2016/02/the-new-threat-to-islam-in-india/
yeah sure . and till you find them , here is an article about wahabbi's growing influence in my country---india . happy reading !!
http://thediplomat.com/2016/02/the-new-threat-to-islam-in-india/
I'm not sure what you're on about, or why the hostility.
I'm not sure what you're on about, or why the hostility.
frankly , i dont believe that wahhabi islam has been condemned by majority of the islamic world . it stems from saudi arabia , which has enormous influence over muslims across the world as it contains the holiest places of islam--mecca and medina . also , its oil money gives saudi arabia and the wahhabi brand of islam huge influence over muslims across the world . before oil prices came down , saudi arabia used to sponser large madarasas ( religious schools ) and wahhabi mosques across the world .
frankly , i dont believe that wahhabi islam has been condemned by majority of the islamic world . it stems from saudi arabia , which has enormous influence over muslims across the world as it contains the holiest places of islam--mecca and medina . also , its oil money gives saudi arabia and the wahhabi brand of islam huge influence over muslims across the world . before oil prices came down , saudi arabia used to sponser large madarasas ( religious schools ) and wahhabi mosques across the world .
I still dont understand what that has to do with anything. Maybe talk to moderate muslims and read the condemnation by Imams when religious attacks take place and you'll get a better 'belief' of what they think. Pigeonholing people because of a book they read is very narrow minded.
mattiasflgrtll6
03-17-17, 03:01 PM
I won't pretend terrorist attacks don't happen, but that still doesn't mean most muslims don't condemn it. If that many like you make it out to be are supporting jihad, then the world would be ******** dust. But it's not like that at all. You just see this thread fit for spreading your islamophobic scare tactic propaganda.
I won't pretend terrorist attacks don't happen, but that still doesn't mean most muslims don't condemn it. If that many like you make it out to be are supporting jihad, then the world would be ******** dust. But it's not like that at all. You just see this thread fit for spreading your islamophobic scare tactic propaganda.
Are you talking to me?
Are you talking to me?
no , to me :D
mattiasflgrtll6
03-17-17, 03:16 PM
Yeah, I'm talking to you, ASH.
Captain Steel
03-17-17, 03:22 PM
I won't pretend terrorist attacks don't happen, but that still doesn't mean most muslims don't condemn it. If that many like you make it out to be are supporting jihad, then the world would be ******** dust. But it's not like that at all. You just see this thread fit for spreading your islamophobic scare tactic propaganda.
The term "Islamophobic" is a scare tactic propaganda.
It means that if you acknowledge or talk about facts and events that are actually occurring at a continual & increasing rate throughout the world, then you are something akin to a "racist"!
So the PC tactic is to make sure anyone who doesn't cow to the ostrich mentality and engage in the strategy of submission & appeasement be labeled as mentally ill and blinded by bigotry.
By acknowledging that you've learned enough history to actually be aware of what drives global Islamic Terrorism and that you've kept abreast of enough current events to know that Islamic Terrorism is now global and is actively engaged in missions of infiltration & indoctrination, it means you have a newly designated mental illness called "Islamophobia" - an irrational fear of something that poses no danger.
It's amazing, even if you constantly announce the caveat that most Muslims are not terrorists, you still can't talk about the facts of global Islamic Terrorism: hundreds of terrorist organizations, terror-exporting Islamic theocratic dictatorship countries, continuous on-going mass murders all over the world at the hands of jihadists, and the spread of an absolutely violent and intolerant fascist ideology without being labeled an Islamophobe.
These things are facts - they are happening, they are not the concoctions of a mentally disturbed, paranoid, irrational, schizophrenic mind or any sort of mass mental illness.
The mass mental illness is the spread of terrorism itself and those who allow it to spread by claiming it doesn't exist or that if we ignore it, it will just go away.
Yeah, I'm talking to you, ASH.
your views will change when more migrants from the middle east will arrive in your country .
The term "Islamophobic" is a scare tactic propaganda.
It means that if you acknowledge or talk about facts and events that are actually occurring at a continual & increasing rate throughout the world, then you are something akin to a "racist"! And we all know there is nothing worse!
So the PC tactic is to make sure anyone who doesn't cow to the ostrich mentality and engage in the strategy of submission & appeasement be labeled as mentally ill and blinded by bigotry.
By acknowledging that you've learned enough history to actually be aware of what drives global Islamic Terrorism and that you've kept abreast of enough current events to know that Islamic Terrorism is now global and is actively engaged in a mission of infiltration, it means you have a newly designated mental illness called "Islamophobia" - an irrational fear of something that poses no danger.
It's amazing, even if you constantly announce the caveat that most Muslims are not terrorists, you still can't talk about the facts of global Islamic Terrorism: hundreds of terrorist organizations, terror-exporting Islamic theocratic dictatorship countries, continuous on-going mass murders all over the world at the hands of jihadists, and the spread of an absolutely violent and intolerant fascist ideology without being labeled an Islamophobe.
These things are facts - they are happening, they are not the concoctions of a mentally disturbed, paranoid, irrational, schizophrenic mind or any sort of mass mental illness.
The mass mental illness is the spread of terrorism itself and those who allow it to spread by claiming it doesn't exist or that if we ignore it, it will just go away.
I'm going to now use the one emoji I dont like using
:rolleyes:
your views will change when more migrants from the middle east will arrive in your country .
but by that time , it will be too late .
Captain Steel
03-17-17, 03:42 PM
I'm going to now use the one emoji I dont like using
:rolleyes:
Dani, I'm know you like your Muslim neighbors and I'm sure they are fine people, but nice people that you know does not somehow negate the fact that global terrorism is occurring in the name of Islam.
I'm of German heritage - so it's like if I say because my relatives were German and they were all really nice people, then the fascist ideology in Germany in the 1930's and 40's called Nazism must have not really been too bad because the vast vast vast majority of Germans now and then were really good people.
Individuals being good does not somehow negate or erase the precepts of a fascist ideology, be it purely political, religious or both.
Now, it certainly helps if virtually no one ACTS on the precepts of a violent ideology, but that is not the case with Islam as is demonstrated by terrorist sects, cells, sleeper agents, individual jihadists, criminals indoctrinated to Islamic terrorism in prisons, country-occupying caliphate forces, recruits coming in to groups like ISIS by the thousands, and entire Islamic nations carrying out terror attacks against the most defenseless and innocent "targets" all over the world.
https://xmovies8.org/watch?v=The_Day_of_the_Siege_September_Eleven_1683_20
see this full movie for free here to see how the turks had penetrated upto vienna in 1683 . if the europeans had lost this battle then whole of european civilization would have been dead---****ing dust, as someone said here . . it was the gallant king of poland ( Jan Sobeiski ) who saved europe by crushing the turks and forcing them to raise the seige of vienna .
the movie has bad special effects , largely because it did not get much funds for it's production . nobody wanted to fund a politically incorrect movie , you know . but it is to be watched because of this very political incorrectness . it dares to show the truth .
Dani, I'm know you like your Muslim neighbors and I'm sure they are fine people, but nice people that you know does not somehow negate the fact that global terrorism is occurring in the name of Islam.
I'm of German heritage - so it's like if I say because my relatives were German and they were all really nice people, then the fascist ideology in Germany in the 1930's and 40's called Nazism must have not really been too bad because the vast vast vast majority of Germans now and then were really good people.
Individuals being good does not somehow negate or erase the precepts of a fascist ideology, be it purely political, religious or both.
Now, it certainly helps if virtually no one ACTS on the precepts of a violent ideology, but that is not the case with Islam as is demonstrated by terrorist sects, cells, sleeper agents, individual jihadists, criminals indoctrinated to Islamic terrorism in prisons, country-occupying caliphate forces, recruits coming in to groups like ISIS by the thousands, and entire Islamic nations carrying out terror attacks against the most defenseless and innocent "targets" all over the world.
Oh for gods sake, it's got nothing to do with my neighbours. It's about you constantly bashing a book to stir up crap, and I never asked what your heritage is so have no idea what you're on about with your passive aggression and dumb insolence. You trying to shout down anyone who view things differently because they dont see life in black and white and pigeonholes is getting irritating.
And nice Godwins Law.
OK back to movies.
Captain Steel
03-17-17, 04:04 PM
Oh for gods sake, it's got nothing to do with my neighbours. It's about you constantly bashing a book to stir up crap, and I never asked what your heritage is so have no idea what you're on about with your passive aggression and dumb insolence. You trying to shout down anyone who view things differently because they dont see life in black and white and pigeonholes is getting irritating.
And nice Godwins Law.
OK back to movies.
You mentioned your neighbors a while back and you presented them with the illogical fallacy that, since they are such nice people who'd never hurt anyone (and I don't doubt that's true)... and they're Muslim... THEN there obviously CAN'T be anything wrong with the ideology of Islam.
I'm not saying you SAID that verbatim, I'm saying that that was the obvious argument you were making by presenting your neighbors as good people. Why else would you mention them within the context of a thread dealing mostly with Islamic terrorism?
And yes, it does support the argument that not "all Muslims are terrorists," but no one is claiming that. What it doesn't do is somehow negate what Islam teaches and that there are worldwide multitudes of Muslims willing to act on those teachings in a literal manner by following the written commands to eliminate & terrorize the "infidel."
P.S. This is all about "bashing a book to stir up crap"? Really?
What are the terrorist attacks then?
If we talk about them, it is WE who are just trying to stir up crap?
Yeah, slashing the throats of an entire campus full of students or mass murdering a bunch of women and children in a mall is pretty bad, but for God's sake, don't go acknowledging the fact because you might stir some crap up! (Is that PC language for make the terrorists mad or force Muslims to reflect on what their ideology actually teaches?) Forget about all the innocent lives lost, just make sure you don't stir up any crap after the last attack or before the next one?
You mentioned your neighbors a while back and you presented them with the illogical fallacy that, since they are such nice people who'd never hurt anyone (and I don't doubt that's true)... and they're Muslim... THEN there obviously CAN'T be anything wrong with the ideology of Islam.
I stopped reading right there. You are clearly standing at the kool aid water fountain.
Captain Steel
03-17-17, 04:35 PM
I stopped reading right there. You are clearly standing at the kool aid water fountain.
Okay. I thought we were having a discussion. In one post you say I'm "shouting" any other opinions down (I'm not typing in all caps). Don't know how I could do that with text. I'm debating.
What is apparent is that you are not willing to listen as demonstrated with a couple times now where you said you "stopped reading right there." I'm obviously reading all of your posts.
I thought you said you liked debating controversial topics. Debates involve listening to what each side has to say, not plugging your ears until its your turn to make your points.
If you don't want to engage, then simply stop responding, but saying you'll only read one sentence, (become offended), and stop, is kind of a cop out if you're here to make a point or refute someone else's.
And I'm sorry, I'm usually pretty easy going, but this is a horrific and very immediate subject that I take seriously since it involves innocent people being murdered and the rational world, that is willing to acknowledge the facts, trying to prevent that from happening further.
Okay. I thought we were having a discussion. In one post you say I'm "shouting" any other opinions down (I'm not typing in all caps). Don't know how I could do that with text. I'm debating.
What is apparent is that you are not willing to listen as demonstrated with a couple times now where you said you "stopped reading right there." I'm obviously reading all of your posts.
I thought you said you liked debating controversial topics. Debates involve listening to what each side has to say, not plugging your ears until its your turn to make your points.
If you don't want to engage, then simply stop responding, but saying you'll only read one sentence, (become offended), and stop, is kind of a cop out if you're here to make a point (or refute someone else's).
And I'm sorry, I'm usually pretty easy going, but this is a horrific and very immediate subject that I take seriously since it involves innocent people being murdered and the rational world that is willing to acknowledge the facts, trying to prevent that from happening further.
Oh man, you are the master of dumb insolence. Nice job, Cap. I'll go back to talking fillums.
Captain Steel
03-17-17, 04:53 PM
Oh man, you are the master of dumb insolence. Nice job, Cap. I'll go back to talking fillums.
I haven't responded with insults (hopefully you haven't taken my attempts to make legitimate responses / refutations to your points that way).
It's just not a very informative debate where we (or anyone observing) aren't able to walk away with any insight to any point of view when the only refutation is to respond with name calling.
Movie Max
03-17-17, 06:22 PM
Paris in broad daylight, unbelievable description...:eek:
Horror as man wearing Muslim tunic 'slits his father and brother's throats' in Paris street 'while shouting Allah Akbar'
'I looked out the window and saw a man lying on the ground. There was a lot of blood.'There was another man standing beside him, dressed in a white djellaba (loose-fitting tunic worn by some Muslims).
'He fell to his knees and prayed until the police came to take him away,' 21-year-old Thomas told AFP.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4324448/Man-Muslim-tunic-cuts-dad-brother-s-throats.html
Paris in broad daylight, unbelievable description...:eek:
Horror as man wearing Muslim tunic 'slits his father and brother's throats' in Paris street 'while shouting Allah Akbar'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4324448/Man-Muslim-tunic-cuts-dad-brother-s-throats.html
You already posted that. What does it have to do with a terrorist attack thread?
Movie Max
03-17-17, 08:24 PM
Ah, you know, it's hit or miss with the terror label in the media. The Quebec mosque event still hasn't been labelled as terrorism, despite our PM's efforts. Description of this event fills my heart with horror and terror. You know that old adage, "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck...". Muslims are still the primary victims of terrorism in the world. Too many similarities in this attack, with other terrorism related attacks. It's a bit convenient and a bit unfair to the victims, to just call it a family matter, in my opinion. This was an open and unapologetic display of radical ideology in broad daylight. Same radical ideology that fuels and justifies terror attacks. If it makes you feel better to know that the psychiatric unit was involved, I'll indulge your delusion.
I'll indulge your delusion.
That's nice. So I'm delusional? Send over the men in lab coats with drugs and a straight jacket. While you're at it, alert black Ops because I have a collection of Pakols and Shalwar Kameez I bought on the paki-afghan border. My bad. I can also recite the Islamic creed in arabic and have fertiliser in my garage. Noooooooooooooo.
Indulge my delusion all you want but that article was highly inflammatory and you're buying into it. Much like the first headline about the Norway incident which was that it was an Islamic act of terrorism. The guy is a neo nazi. There. I;ll indulge your delusion.
BOOM!
Movie Max
03-18-17, 09:55 AM
Those internment islands make life easier for Australians, don't they? Nice to be able to avoid reality, while lecturing others.
I see it's already well past midday on Saturday in Europe. Just another day, Friday's events quickly forgotten.
Paris shooting: terror investigation launched after suspect shot dead
The attacker was said to be a radicalised Muslim who appeared on a security watch list, police sources told Reuters.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/18/man-shot-dead-at-paris-airport-after-trying-to-grab-gun-reports-say
Those internment islands make life easier for Australians, don't they? Nice to be able to avoid reality, while lecturing others.]
How dare you. Point out to me where I have EVER spoken in a positive light about offshore detention centres, Get your facts straight before making such accusations. I find your assumption highly offensive.
Movie Max
03-18-17, 03:27 PM
You don't have to, I support them for you and your countrymen/women/children of all backgrounds, races and faiths. One of very few examples today, where a government is acting responsibly and actually looking after the best interests of its citizens.
I'm not the least bit interested in what a xenophobe from another country supports in my country, and I can tell you the UN doesnt support your opinion either. Nor am I interested in continuing to engage with someone who likes lobbing passive aggro insults around. According to you I am deluded, out of touch with reality, and for a human rights' advocate of almost 3 decades I must be a hypocrite. Anything further you'd like to add to your list of ASSumptions? Never mind. You're free to think whatever ignorant opinions you want. Have a nice weekend.
Movie Max
03-18-17, 03:34 PM
:laugh:
Movie Max
03-18-17, 03:39 PM
Just a reminder, for anyone living in a multicultural country...
A Third of Nice Truck Attack’s Dead Were Muslim, Group Says
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/world/europe/nice-truck-attack-victims-muslims.html
Interesting observation by a guy on another forum I'm on, especially because he fancies himself as a tough guy. Maybe he's maturing.
There's always been a prominent sub culture of intimidation, fear, and often violence with Arab kids in certain areas, certainly Punchbowl being one. They value those traits more than anything else. I remember when 9/11 happened, I was only a few years out of high school at the time, memory was still fresh. I remember thinking that many of them (and there were tons, this was Rockdale) would feel immense pride. Not out of any religious conviction, not because they think it's right to kill innocent people, infact DESPITE those reasons. They would be proud because they would think it bolstered their tough guy reputation and their level of intimidation which they so value.
What happens is that they grow up, the majority become normal people, but a minority keep going down that path, and somewhere along the line image turns to serious crime, then for some into genuine extremism and the religion becomes central because they consider it the core of their identity.
These days with terrorism on the map in a way it never was back then, combined with the long standing tough guy culture among other things, I think it's worth taking pretty seriously... what to do about it is another question
matt72582
03-18-17, 07:18 PM
Am I the only one who isn't worried about middle-eastern terrorists and knows it's all overblown up crap like every other time in history?
Am I the only one who isn't worried about middle-eastern terrorists and knows it's all overblown up crap like every other time in history?
Yes you are the only one, my friend. Come sit in the 'apologist ' corner with me.
The world needs more Yusuf Islam singing Peace Train.
Am I the only one who isn't worried about middle-eastern terrorists and knows it's all overblown up crap like every other time in history?
I've always ever thought one thing: There are good people and there are bad people. Some Muslims are extremist terrorists. Some others are just normal people. Same as some Germans were Nazis and some weren't.
Humanity is laced with good and bad eggs.
Am I afraid of being killed by Muslim terrorists? Sure...just like I'm afraid of being killed by a tornado, car wreck, flood, mudslide, rock slide, all murderers, plane crash, cancer, etc. In other words? My fear of being killed by a Muslim terrorist is no stronger than any other of life's fears.
At the end of the day, all I are about is somehow making it through the rest of my life in this sick, diseased and pathetic world. There is good and bad in every facet of life. People need to grab onto that reality and grab onto it fast.
"Condemning an entire race for the actions of some" is the very foundation of racism. So, on that token, I won't condemn the entire Muslim race for the actions of those insane extremists out there. As someone of German heritage, I would expect someone to extend to me the same courtesy of understanding that I'm neither a Nazi nor in support of that crazy ideology.
In the end...I guess I'll just put it into the simplest of words and probably the most crude: I just don't give a fck. I really don't. Those extremist parasites have been around since the dark ages and they're never going away. My solution? I'm just going to live my life. Simple as that. I hope to God that a Muslim extremist doesn't kill myself or my wife but, at the same time, I'm not going to worry about it. When our number is up, our number is up. All we can do in life is make the most of the time we have. A lot of people could kill me. A lot of THINGS could kill me. Whatever. I'm not letting it rule over my life like some sort of dark cloud. By that, I mean that I hope I DON'T die from those aforementioned things but, at the same time, I'm not going to obsess over, worry over it either. Not a recipe for a good life.
Beautifully said, deat. Living in fear and ignorance is exactly what the extremists want. Stuff that for a joke. My opinion comes from extensive travel experience in Islam majority countries and the muzzies I know, not sensational journalism. The only problem I ever had with a muslim (and I dont even know if he was a muslim but it was in a muslim conflict zone so I assumed he ws) was from a police officer or security guard pointing a gun in my face because he thought I was american. Xenophobes bring that crap on themselves. Dish out hate and fear and then they wonder why it gets dished back. Could have happened in any country in the world. Receiving lame insults because I dont share the opinion of the narrow minded and unworldly is laughable at best.
Captain Steel
03-18-17, 10:57 PM
Once again, just because you haven't had any bad experiences yourself (thank goodness!) does not somehow negate all the innocent victims of Islamic Terrorism worldwide. I don't understand this logic.
And it's not like we're living in some vacuum where there really isn't any significant Islamic terrorism to speak of: where say maybe only once every few years a lone psychopath goes and shoots some place up.
We're living in a world where terrorism carried out by Radical Islamic Jihadists is a daily occurrence. Where many thousands of innocents are murdered by Islamic jihadists every year, where a holocaust against Christians by jihadists has been waged in certain countries in the Middle East and North-Eastern Africa over the last two decades, where terrorist cells attack western countries in horrible massacres of hundreds of people at a time in public places, where theocratic dictatorships that chant "Death to America" and vow to "wipe Israel off the map" are developing nuclear weapons, and where entire countries are overwhelmed with Islamic Caliphate terrorists (ISIS, Al Qaida, the Taliban, etc.) who are massacring so many people that we can't even estimate the total numbers of the dead.
Those who are simply aware of the extent of terrorism are labeled "ignorant." But how is it those who engage in apologism seem oblivious to the extent of Islamic Terrorism: to the numbers of attacks, the frequency of attacks, the number of countries they take place in and to the numbers of victims?
So when you say " Xenophobes bring that crap on themselves." we are to take it that all the tens of thousands of victims of Islamic Terrorism, just in the last 17 years, were somehow responsible for their own deaths, not the terrorists?
Captain Steel
03-18-17, 11:03 PM
Today: Paris Airport Attack: Armed assailant shouted "I am here to die for Allah"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/officials-paris-airport-evacuated-after-security-forces-kill-man-who-stole-guards-weapon/2017/03/18/26a71d1e-752c-4150-85e3-3c5c52f0f805_story.html?utm_term=.110350067dda
The world needs more Yusuf Islam singing Peace Train.
http://nypost.com/2014/12/11/questions-remain-over-cat-stevens-connections-to-radical-muslims/
http://nypost.com/2014/12/11/questions-remain-over-cat-stevens-connections-to-radical-muslims/
LOL. Wsnt it the NYP that broke the news of the world tht Breivik was an Islamic terrorist? Eat it up with a spoon, love.
LOL. Wsnt it the NYP that broke the news of the world tht Breivik was an Islamic terrorist? Eat it up with a spoon, love.
are you saying that yusuf islam's comments about salman rushdie are fake ?
http://www.nytimes.com/books/99/04/18/specials/rushdie-cat.html
Am I the only one who isn't worried about middle-eastern terrorists and knows it's all overblown up crap like every other time in history?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3r-aQnmgYeg/VX_F8LuKpnI/AAAAAAAAGxk/M_tHIFvZkdQ/s1600/Hindus%2Bin%2BPakistan.png
i will give you an example of my part of the world---south asia . before 1947 india was united under british rule . look at the chart above---it is from a pakistani website called haq's musings . once the british left , the muslims carved their own nation called pakistan out of british india . during british rule some hindus also lived in the future pakistan , forming 15/16 percent of the region that was going to be pakistan . but once the british left and pakistan was created in 1947 , all the hindus were exterminated .
the chart shows the percentage of hindu population in that region before and after 1947 . look at the sharp drop in hindu population after 1947 . once the muslims got their own state where they were in majority , they just annihilated the hindu population . the chart is only about hindus , but a similar fate was meted out to those belonging to the sikh religion .
terrorism is the weapon of the weak---it is being used because the muslims are weaker in military strength than the west and also weaker in numbers at least in the western countries . but once they become majority , the chart above shows what happens to the minorities .
are you saying that yusuf islam's comments about salman rushdie are fake ?
http://www.nytimes.com/books/99/04/18/specials/rushdie-cat.html
Where on earth did I mention salman rushdie? Jaysus.
Where on earth did I mention salman rushdie? Jaysus.
it is in the NYP article which you are raising doubts over .
Wut? I was talking about the incorrect breaking news headline re the shootings in Norway claiming it was an islamic terrorism act. Good god. Has my keyboard switched itself to arabic? I never mentioned Rushdie nor have I read your article.
Wut? I was talking about the incorrect breaking news headline re the shootings in Norway claiming it was an islamic terrorism act. Good god. Has my keyboard switched itself to arabic? I never mentioned Rushdie nor have I read your article.
so without reading the article you raise doubts about NYP because it had formerly written something incorrect .
so without reading the article you raise doubts about NYP because it had formerly written something incorrect .
Que? I hvent got the faintest idea what you're talking about.
gandalf26
03-19-17, 04:37 PM
Am I the only one who isn't worried about middle-eastern terrorists and knows it's all overblown up crap like every other time in history?
Would you stand in front of victims families and say this?
can the mods or admin repost the answer i wrote to matt72582 ? i deleted that post but it can be brought back again by admin team .
Would you stand in front of victims families and say this?
That's a bit different to the current trend of horrible stuff happening in the world and some people and journos automatically assuming it's a radical islamic attack. That's how I took Matt's comment. You can see it in this thread. Terrorism - some people automatically jump to Islam. That's fear mongering and ignorant.
can the mods or admin repost the answer i wrote to matt72582 in this thread ? i deleted that post but it can be brought back again by admin team .
Captain Steel
03-19-17, 05:59 PM
can the mods or admin repost the answer i wrote to matt72582 in this thread ? i deleted that post but it can be brought back again by admin team .
Ash, you may have to send a P.M. to Yoda to make that request. (Not sure that's the correct protocol, but just guessing.)
Ash, you may have to send a P.M. to Yoda to make that request. (Not sure that's the correct protocol, but just guessing.)
If someone deletes their own posts why would yods still have access to it? I dont know what point he's trying to argue anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Captain Steel
03-19-17, 06:05 PM
If someone deletes their own posts why would yods still have access to it? I dont know what point he's trying to argue anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
We won't know Ash's point unless we see it. I don't know if a self-deleted post can be retrieved, but I think a self-deleted post is one wherein a request was made to moderation for it to be deleted (as you have to provide a reason for deleting it rather than just a one-touch button). And since we saw that John / Kendra was able to get a "self-deleted" removed thread put back on the board, maybe the same can be done with a post.
We won't know Ash's point unless we see it. I don't know if a self-deleted post can be retrieved, but I think a self-deleted post is one wherein a request was made to moderation for it to be deleted (as you have to provide a reason for deleting it rather than just a one-touch button). And since we saw that John / Kendra was able to get a "self-deleted" removed thread put back on the board, maybe the same can be done with a post.
it can be done . i have had it done once before .
I might be wrong, and wouldnt be the first time, but I think binned threads are different to self deleted posts. Ash said he deleted, not Yoda. And with all the self deleted and admin deleted posts, wouldnt it be a nightmare for Yoda or mods to find one? Why doesnt ash just repeat what he said if he thinks it pertains to a thread on terrorism.
I might be wrong, and wouldnt be the first time, but I think binned threads are different to self deleted posts. Ash said he deleted, not Yoda. And with all the self deleted and admin deleted posts, wouldnt it be a nightmare for Yoda or mods to find one? Why doesnt ash just repeat what he said if he thinks it pertains to a thread on terrorism.
it wasn't a nightmare for yoda last time i asked him .
Captain Steel
03-19-17, 06:18 PM
I may be wrong, but I think any alterations other than using the "Edit" function (which only apply to posts) go through moderation.
Anytime I've deleted a post I've had to make a "request" to delete it, and then it asks for a reason.
I've never had a deletion refused, but I've only requested them if I accidentally double-posted.
So the mods may have access to a board "history" from which they can restore anything they removed.
I probably shouldn't even be trying to discuss this because, unlike international Islamic terrorism, I have little knowledge of this stuff. ;)
let's not get worked up over this issue .
I asked Yoda about that when I first arrived because I thought it was pretty useless telling admin I was deleting for a duplicate. He said that's only when admin delete so it advises the poster.
let's not get worked up over this issue .
Who's getting worked up? Cap and I are just answering each other's questions ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Who's getting worked up? Cap and I are just answering each other's questions ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
can i ask you which country you belong to ?
can i ask you which country you belong to ?
Is that relevant to this thread, ash?
Captain Steel
03-19-17, 06:28 PM
Islamic Terror organization Boko Haram continues attacks in Africa:
https://www.naij.com/1094510-update-boko-haram-bombers-kill-mother-kids-fresh-attack-ummarari.html
Nigerian Soldiers murdered in attack on military base:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/nigerian-soldiers-killed-boko-haram-attack-official-46179788
Boko Haram murders & beheads "spies":
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/boko-haram-releases-video-showing-killing-accused-spies-46164814
Boko Haram turns girls into suicide bombers:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/killed-nigeria-teenage-girls-detonate-explosives-46140152
And everyone knows they're every bit the lunatics Isis are. I dont like this word but they're psychotic tards.
I've restored ashdoc's post. Users can only "soft" delete posts, hiding them from view, so yes, we can always restore them.
Also, most mod removed posts are also "soft" deleted, if only so we can refer to them if we need to demonstrate why an action was necessary. It's very rare that any post is entirely deleted.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3r-aQnmgYeg/VX_F8LuKpnI/AAAAAAAAGxk/M_tHIFvZkdQ/s1600/Hindus%2Bin%2BPakistan.png
i will give you an example of my part of the world---south asia . before 1947 india was united under british rule . look at the chart above---it is from a pakistani website called haq's musings . once the british left , the muslims carved their own nation called pakistan out of british india . during british rule some hindus also lived in the future pakistan , forming 15/16 percent of the region that was going to be pakistan . but once the british left and pakistan was created in 1947 , all the hindus were exterminated .
the chart shows the percentage of hindu population in that region before and after 1947 . look at the sharp drop in hindu population after 1947 . once the muslims got their own state where they were in majority , they just annihilated the hindu population . the chart is only about hindus , but a similar fate was meted out to those belonging to the sikh religion .
terrorism is the weapon of the weak---it is being used because the muslims are weaker in military strength than the west and also weaker in numbers at least in the western countries . but once they become majority , the chart above shows what happens to the minorities .
this is the post .
I've restored ashdoc's post. Users can only "soft" delete posts, hiding them from view, so yes, we can always restore them.
Also, most mod removed posts are also "soft" deleted, if only so we can refer to them if we need to demonstrate why an action was necessary. It's very rare that any post is entirely deleted.
thanks yoda .
Captain Steel
03-19-17, 06:43 PM
And everyone knows they're every bit the lunatics Isis are. I dont like this word but they're psychotic tards.
Hey, finally we agree on something regarding this subject. Yes, all terrorists who murder innocent people in the name of an ideology are psychotic.
Hey, finally we agree on something regarding this subject. Yes, all terrorists who murder innocent people in the name of an ideology are psychotic.
I always agree when I agree, Cap, regardless of previous biffs.
They certainly are psychotic. Extremists of any ideology having something not quite right going on upstairs.
Ash I know about India. I've been a few times.
Ash I know about India. I've been a few times.
do you know about the annihilation in numbers of minorities in india's neighbours---annihilation from pakistan , bangladesh , kashmir ? that's what happens to places which become muslim majority .
Captain Steel
03-19-17, 06:59 PM
this is the post .
And the horrifying thing is this is not the first holocaust experienced by Hindus at the hands of Islam.
The greatest holocaust in the history of mankind occurred beginning around 1000 A.D. as Islam slaughtered an estimated 100 million Hindus in India. This would not be the last time India was threatened with genocide by Islam as attacks on Hindus have continued virtually non-stop since the inception of Islam.
http://www.hinduwebsite.com/history/holocaust.asp
And what a lot of people don't realize is similar comparisons could be made to Islamic attacks on Christians, Jews and Buddhists ranging from Europe to the far east that date back to the first Islamic attack / mass murder in 624 A.D. (and now, in modern times, in the "New World.")
Kashmir didnt become muslim majority. And you know, goes both ways. How many innocent women and children have been slaughtered by indian soldiers? That's terrorism but because it's sanctioned by the government no one talks about it.
See, so it seem pretty obvious to me you didnt want to create a thread for terrorism around the world. You hate Islam which is understandable because you live in a conflict zone, and see 'terrorism' = 'Islam'. That is what I object to, the same as I would object to the same opinion about christianity because of nutbags like Westboro Church and KKK.
Captain Steel
03-19-17, 07:26 PM
Kashmir didnt become muslim majority. And you know, goes both ways. How many innocent women and children have been slaughtered by indian soldiers? That's terrorism but because it's sanctioned by the government no one talks about it.
See, so it seem pretty obvious to me you didnt want to create a thread for terrorism around the world. You hate Islam which is understandable because you live in a conflict zone, and see 'terrorism' = 'Islam'. That is what I object to, the same as I would object to the same opinion about christianity because of nutbags like Westboro Church and KKK.
I have no problem if you want to talk about other terrorist movements or individuals Dani.
But you can't realistically talk about terrorism, especially global terrorism, without talking about "Radical Islam" since it is the only terrorist movement that is united within the shared precepts of an almost 2 billion-strong, worldwide religion and spans almost every inhabited country.
And not just a religion, but a socio-cultural political ideology with literally hundreds of international terror organizations engaged in continuous recruiting of new and willing members, untold numbers of overt violent jihadists estimated to be in the hundreds of thousands to millions, and unknown numbers of covert supporters: ranging from those who fully endorse the concept of global Sharia law established by force to those who tacitly support terrorism (i.e., they wouldn't engage in it themselves, but are happy that other warriors for Allah are carrying out the scriptural tenets of the Koran).
I have at no stage said or even implied people cant or should not discuss radical islam, cap. This thread isnt titled Radical Islm. If ash wanted it to be about specific terrorism, which was his obvious intent, he should have made that clear. Until he changes the thread title I will continue to point out islamop[hobia, xenophobia, generalisations and ignorance
Yods must be putting something in the Mofo watercooler. I feel like instead he should be handing out mofo straightjackets. All the lost in translation moments lately make me want one.
Captain Steel
03-19-17, 07:52 PM
I have at no stage said or even implied people cant or should not discuss radical islam, cap. This thread isnt titled Radical Islm. If ash wanted it to be about specific terrorism, which was his obvious intent, he should have made that clear. Until he changes the thread title I will continue to point out islamop[hobia, xenophobia, generalisations and ignorance
Yods must be putting something in the Mofo watercooler. I feel like instead he should be handing out mofo straightjackets. All the lost in translation moments lately make me want one.
Okay, let me know when you start pointing out the "ignorance" as I haven't seen any refutation of any facts anyone has provided regarding terrorism.
The people making points about terrorism have been providing stats, history articles, news reports and links, while those who want to engage in apologism just say that those providing facts are "passive aggressive," "dumb," "insolent," or suffering from some kind of irrational phobia ;)
, while those who want to engage in apologism just say that those providing facts are "passive aggressive," "dumb," "insolent," or suffering from some kind of irrational phobia ;)
There you go again. That's passive aggressive, dumb insolence and inflammatory.
I speak about islam from personal experience travelling through muslim majority and non muslim majority countries ever since I was a kid, not dr google and sensational gutter press. If that makes me an apologist in your eyes, knock yourself out. Not much I can do about it except convince myself I hallucinated all of my travel experiences.
And by the way, giving me a wink does not make your claims any less offensive and patronising. ;) See how that works!
Kashmir didnt become muslim majority
kashmir is certainly muslim majority ; has been for centuries . but it is even more muslim majority now with all the hindus ethnically cleansed out .
indian security forces are not slaughtering kashmiris but only defending against their separatism .
kashmir is certainly muslim majority ; has been for centuries . but it is even more muslim majority now with all the hindus ethnically cleansed out .
indian security forces are not slaughtering kashmiris but only defending against their separatism .
Use your words then, mate. And maybe contain your anger for the British and the Maharajas that caused the problem decades ago rather than the Pakistanis your government tries to control. And Hindus have NOT been cleansed out of Jammu Kashmir - you've probably never been there You're as bad as gutter press with your fake news. As for your security forces not slaughtering innocent people, give me a break. It's no different to what the Chinese do in Tibet and the allied forces in afghanistan, Syria or Iraq. A dead innocent is still a dead innocent. :rolleyes: It doesnt get a hall pass because the murderers are soldiers. Terrorism is terrorism.
Captain Steel
03-20-17, 12:52 AM
This is interesting and uplifting: Amal Clooney, the Muslim wife of actor George Clooney criticizing the U.N. for not doing what is necessary to stop the genocide committed by ISIS.
What is truly ironic is that most Muslims have no problem identifying the reality of global Islamic Terrorism and genocide, while there is this left-leaning, liberal camp of non-Muslims who, for some unknown reason, like to engage in apologism and denial of global Islamic Terrorism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRp3frSxmFk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf7GOEhK1WI
What is truly ironic is that most Muslims have no problem identifying the reality of global Islamic Terrorism and genocide, while there is this left-leaning, liberal camp of non-Muslims who, for some unknown reason, like to engage in apologism and denial of global Islamic Terrorism.]
Who? You keep saying this but I've never seen anyone deny radical islamic terrorism. Looks to me like you just keep trying to flame bait the thread for your own agenda.
Use your words then, mate. And maybe contain your anger for the British and the Maharajas that caused the problem decades ago rather than the Pakistanis your government tries to control. And Hindus have NOT been cleansed out of Jammu Kashmir - you've probably never been there You're as bad as gutter press with your fake news. As for your security forces not slaughtering innocent people, give me a break. It's no different to what the Chinese do in Tibet and the allied forces in afghanistan, Syria or Iraq. A dead innocent is still a dead innocent. :rolleyes: It doesnt get a hall pass because the murderers are soldiers. Terrorism is terrorism.
you are actually calling the kashmiris as pakistanis :D
you are calling the indian soldiers as terrorists :D
man , you are brainwashed beyond recall and there is no point in arguing with you . i would advise captain steel also to stop arguing with you as the degree to which you are brainwashed means that you will never see reason .
hindus have been ethnically cleansed out of all muslim majority areas of kashmir except two districts where they are majority---jammu and udhampur . all of kashmir valley is denuded of hindus . they stay in refugee camps in other parts of the country .
anyway , i am quitting this argument . if i continue further you will probably try to prove that all terrorism in the world is done by nonmuslims like hindus christians jews buddhists etc .
you are actually calling the kashmiris as pakistanis :D
you are calling the indian soldiers as terrorists :D
man , you are brainwashed beyond recall and there is no point in arguing with you . i would advise captain steel also to stop arguing with you as the degree to which you are brainwashed means that you will never see reason .
hindus have been ethnically cleansed out of all muslim majority areas of kashmir except two districts where they are majority---jammu and udhampur . all of kashmir valley is denuded of hindus . they stay in refugee camps in other parts of the country .
anyway , i am quitting this argument . if i continue further you will probably try to prove that all terrorism in the world is done by nonmuslims like hindus christians jews buddhists etc .
You seem to have a comprehension problem. English is the second official language of India so I'm not sure why. Keep spreading your narrow minded hatred though, ash, and I will keep responding.
Captain Steel
03-20-17, 02:59 AM
Who? You keep saying this but I've never seen anyone deny radical islamic terrorism. Looks to me like you just keep trying to flame bait the thread for your own agenda.
Well, I had this friend who denied it. And I mean he denied it completely. At one point he said that there has never been any type of violence committed by anyone in the entire history of Islam since its inception, and any stories to the contrary were made up by "white people."
He was a conspiracy theorist and fan of Noam Chomsky. He said Bush and Cheney carried out the 9/11 attacks, and when Al Qaida in Iraq was filming themselves beheading multiple people (in 2004), this guy claimed that those wearing the black masks & doing the beheading in the videos were American CIA operatives! He basically thought that all Islamic terrorism, every single act of violence everywhere in the world, was carried out by the U.S. government. His basic stance was that all Islamic Terrorism was done by others to "frame" Islam so that western forces would have excuses to invade Muslim lands to take their oil.
The odd thing is, he had a lot of friends and communicated with large groups of people who provided and encouraged these ideas.
Well, I had this friend who denied it. And I mean he denied it completely. At one point he said that there has never been any type of violence committed by anyone in the entire history of Islam since its inception, and any stories to the contrary were made up by "white people."
He was a conspiracy theorist and fan of Noam Chomsky. He said Bush and Cheney carried out the 9/11 attacks, and when Al Qaida in Iraq was filming themselves beheading multiple people (in 2004), this guy claimed that those wearing the black masks & doing the beheading in the videos were American CIA operatives! He basically thought that all Islamic terrorism, every single act of violence everywhere in the world, was carried out by the U.S. government. His basic stance was that all Islamic Terrorism was done by others to "frame" Islam so that western forces would have excuses to invade Muslim lands to take their oil.
The odd thing is, he had a lot of friends and communicated with large groups of people who provided and encouraged these ideas.
Yeh great. So you had one friend who is a moron and you want to keep calling anyone else who disagrees with an apologist. That sure makes sense. Mind Blowing.
Captain Steel
03-20-17, 04:12 AM
Yeh great. So you had one friend who is a moron and you want to keep calling anyone else who disagrees with an apologist. That sure makes sense. Mind Blowing.
Heh! No. It's just that of all people I've engaged in discussing this topic over the last couple decades I've encountered a few different types.
The first are average, mostly rational people who acknowledge Islamic Terrorism. They feel a balanced approach is best, we shouldn't engage in denial or appeasement, at the same time we should defend ourselves from threats while maintaining the levelheaded practice of not condemning all Muslims over the actions of sub groups of fundamentalists or extremists. They find it a rather uncomfortable topic to dwell on or discuss honestly & in depth with others since it often triggers some other types (see below) and since the conversation usually involves politics, the discussions can quickly degrade. This group would like it all to end quickly & decisively with all the world pitching in together so that all people could get along peacefully.
Then there's the militant, bigoted extremists who want revenge upon all Muslims - they feel all Muslims are sleeper cell operatives, they're all responsible for attacks based only on their affiliation, and they all need to be eliminated. This group's reasoning is that only psychotic or completely mind-controlled murderers could follow genocidal teachings founded by a mass-murdering rapist pedophile who established a 1400 year pattern of death, destruction and conquest that is growing today. These folks who see no shades of grey are practically the counterparts of the terrorists themselves as they perceive only an "us or them" struggle for ultimate survival.
There is the "blame someone else" conspiracy crowd - this is the group that the guy I knew belonged to. They don't deny Islamic Terrorism exists, they just deny that it has anything to do with Islam. They think all the terrorism in the world is arranged by Americans (and various underground forces or entities) for the sole purpose of making Islam "look" bad, thus turning Muslims (who are apparently all some kind of superior, sinless beings who are incapable of malice or wrongdoing) into scapegoats.
Then there's the progressive liberal denier and apologist - they deny most of the Islamic Terror itself. They don't want to believe it's occurring, or acknowledge any threat. And when faced with irrefutable data, they say it must be fake and then call anyone presenting it to them a derogatory name (yet they can never provide any proof of their own claims that what they deny does not exist or hasn't occurred).
If the smarter of them gets pushed into a corner where simple name calling doesn't work, then they can try to revert to the tactics of apologism:
To rationalize Islamic terrorism: (the victims some how deserved it, they were in the wrong place at the wrong time, their xenophobia brought it on themselves, or they're paying for something their ancestors or government may have done);
To justify it (these jihadists are just revolutionaries fighting back against poverty & imperial oppression the same way colonial Americans rebelled against the British - if we'd only give them jobs!);
To defend it (the terrorists are only doing to us what was done to them during the Crusades. I'd fight back too if the world started calling me a terrorist even if I did just blow a bus full of innocent people up for Allah!);
And attempts to draw parallels of moral equivalence (Christians are really bad people too - look at their history, so Muslims demanding genocide is no worse. Christian fundamentalists are more dangerous than Islamic Extremists! - thank you Rose O'Donnell).
thank you Rose O'Donnell).
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I dont even know who that is. What does that have to do with the thread? Oh yeh that's right...
I think I'll watch Idiocracy.
Captain Steel
03-20-17, 04:35 AM
I dont even know who that is. What does that have to do with the thread? Oh yeh that's right...
I think I'll watch Idiocracy.
She's a liberal American actress / comedian / talk-show host who stated that "radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam."
Heh! No. It's just that of all people I've engaged in discussing this topic over the last couple decades I've encountered a few different types.
The first are average, mostly rational people who acknowledge Islamic Terrorism. They feel a balanced approach is best, we shouldn't engage in denial or appeasement, at the same time we should defend ourselves from threats while maintaining the levelheaded practice of not condemning all Muslims over the actions of sub groups of fundamentalists or extremists. They find it a rather uncomfortable topic to dwell on or discuss honestly & in depth with others since it often triggers some other types (see below) and since the conversation usually involves politics, the discussions can quickly degrade. This group would like it all to end quickly & decisively with all the world pitching in together so that all people could get along peacefully.
Then there's the militant, bigoted extremists who want revenge upon all Muslims - they feel all Muslims are sleeper cell operatives, they're all responsible for attacks based only on their affiliation, and they all need to be eliminated. This group's reasoning is that only psychotic or completely mind-controlled murderers could follow genocidal teachings founded by a mass-murdering rapist pedophile who established a 1400 year pattern of death, destruction and conquest that is growing today. These folks who see no shades of grey are practically the counterparts of the terrorists themselves as they perceive only an "us or them" struggle for ultimate survival.
There is the "blame someone else" conspiracy crowd - this is the group that the guy I knew belonged to. They don't deny Islamic Terrorism exists, they just deny that it has anything to do with Islam. They think all the terrorism in the world is arranged by Americans (and various underground forces or entities) for the sole purpose of making Islam "look" bad, thus turning Muslims (who are apparently all some kind of superior, sinless beings who are incapable of malice or wrongdoing) into scapegoats.
Then there's the progressive liberal denier and apologist - they deny most of the Islamic Terror itself. They don't want to believe it's occurring, or acknowledge any threat. And when faced with irrefutable data, they say it must be fake and then call anyone presenting it to them a derogatory name (yet they can never provide any proof of their own claims that what they deny does not exist or hasn't occurred).
If the smarter of them gets pushed into a corner where simple name calling doesn't work, then they can try to revert to the tactics of apologism:
To rationalize Islamic terrorism: (the victims some how deserved it, they were in the wrong place at the wrong time, their xenophobia brought it on themselves, or they're paying for something their ancestors or government may have done);
To justify it (these jihadists are just revolutionaries fighting back against poverty & imperial oppression the same way colonial Americans rebelled against the British - if we'd only give them jobs!);
To defend it (the terrorists are only doing to us what was done to them during the Crusades. I'd fight back too if the world started calling me a terrorist even if I did just blow a bus full of innocent people up for Allah!);
And attempts to draw parallels of moral equivalence (Christians are really bad people too - look at their history, so Muslims demanding genocide is no worse. Christian fundamentalists are more dangerous than Islamic Extremists! - thank you Rose O'Donnell).
I would mostly classify as #1 in that list but, while I'd like that extremism to magically dissolve away, I'm also a realist and honestly don't see it ever going away no matter what. It's been around for many centuries--you can't just purge that out altogether. It's impossible. No matter what--there will ALWAYS be Muslim extremists. Why? Because it is one of several products of racism and xenophobia.
Just look at the world nowadays--Racism and Xenophobia is as strong as ever.
Ignorance and lust for control are two strongly overriding attributes of humanity as a whole (not individual, mind you) and you can't just expunge nature.
Some may call me a pessimist but I prefer to see it as realism: you can't just expunge that Islamic extremist mentality from the world. It would be nice if we could but I don't see it happening. It's a cancer. It's impossible to remove every last cancer cell in this case.
Such is life, unfortunately. In all honesty, I'm currently far more worried about the fact that I have an immigrant wife while racism and hate crimes are on the rise again because of the current administration. I'm too worried about someone trying to harm her. Hatred, racism, xenophobia--all products of ignorance, lust for controlling "the machine" and irrational anger...all attributes of Islamic terrorism and all attributes of racism in general.
What's truly frightening is how EASY it is for people to become extremist in their views. From Islamic extremists to Christian extremists and so forth...all it takes is a fragile and hate-filled mind yearning for "the answer" and they latch onto it. Extremism is, in and of itself, an exercise of brainwashing--of giving a lost soul "a path" to walk through. It's so easy--SO easy for people to become brainwashed. That's why Islamic extremism and other forms of it will never truly be defeated. I don't see how. I truly don't.
jews running away from france as they are targeted by terrorists
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/jews-are-leaving-france-in-record-numbers-amid-rising-anti-semitism-and-fears-of-more-isis-inspired-a6832391.html
jews running away from france as they are targeted by terrorists
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/jews-are-leaving-france-in-record-numbers-amid-rising-anti-semitism-and-fears-of-more-isis-inspired-a6832391.html
In 2015. I'm not sure what the relevance is with today. :facepalm: I should have taken notice of the posters at the beginning of the thread.
OK, I cant take anymore of you salivating over anything you can find on the net to bombard with your islamophobia. Whilst ever the angry, narrow minded xenophobes exist, extremism on both sides is never going away, as dteam said. Enjoy yourself.
What is this now---
http://m.timesofindia.com/world/uk/reports-of-shooting-outside-uk-parliament/articleshow/57777496.cms
What is this now---
http://m.timesofindia.com/world/uk/reports-of-shooting-outside-uk-parliament/articleshow/57777496.cms
Police man stabbed and between 4 and 12 people mown down by a car on the bridge.
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Police man stabbed and between 4 and 12 people mown down by a car on the bridge.
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Insanity. WTH mkes people want to get in a vehicle and mow down innocent people minding their own business.
Insanity. WTH mkes people want to get in a vehicle and mow down innocent people minding their own business.
Innocent people? They are believing in the false Gods !!!!!!
Insanity. WTH mkes people want to get in a vehicle and mow down innocent people minding their own business.
It depends who you ask :mad:
It's just so sad.
It depends who you ask :mad:
It's just so sad.
I'd be asking a panel of Psychiatrists.
Innocent people? They are believing in the false Gods !!!!!!
How do you know? :mad: It was indiscriminate killings
How do you know? :mad: It was indiscriminate killings
He doesnt know. He just loves to assume as a knee jerk reaction rather than wait for an official announcement.
He doesnt know. He just loves to assume as a knee jerk reaction rather than wait for an official announcement.
it's brussels anniversary .
gandalf26
03-22-17, 02:37 PM
He doesnt know. He just loves to assume as a knee jerk reaction rather than wait for an official announcement.
Anyone who doesn't have an INSTANT 99% + idea of the ethnicity and beliefs of the person responsible is suffering from mental illness.
Anyone who doesn't have an INSTANT 99% + idea of the ethnicity and beliefs of the person responsible is suffering from mental illness.
Lovely. Maybe they just dont whip out their crystal ball but prefer to wait for, as I said, an official announcement rather than jump the gun. You know, like when NYT declared Breivik was a muslim.
Deary me.
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