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cat_sidhe
04-07-17, 03:47 PM
LOL sweden checking in
....
It was quite undramatic tbh.
cat_sidhe
04-07-17, 03:50 PM
BUT TO BE HONEST,I am officially butthurt that Dani8 didn't ask my safe status.
IT'S AS IF SHE KNEW I WAS A COCKROACH!
cat_sidhe
04-07-17, 03:51 PM
(yes, Sweden is already making jokes....to be fair....it could just be me)
cat_sidhe
04-07-17, 03:52 PM
Why YES, I AM THE WORST EVER....Pleased to meet you!!!!
coffeegod
04-07-17, 03:54 PM
Since the real world is going to hell in basket, here's a basket of piglets to take your mind off it.
http://justcuteanimals.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/little-piggies-miniature-pigs-piglets-cute-animals-pictures-pics-600x543.jpg
cat_sidhe
04-07-17, 03:54 PM
Oh heeeey hooooo it's a good thing I never posted in here before because I'd be banned in like...30 seconds.
BUT TO BE HONEST,I am officially butthurt that Dani8 didn't ask my safe status.
IT'S AS IF SHE KNEW I WAS A COCKROACH!
I'm sorry, cat, I was asleep. Is Sweden safe from Trump's terrorism? We arent. Looks like our moron PM is sniffing his bum right now and sending our defence forces in to assist the idiot, even though Commander Marmalade hung up on him.
I do like those piglets.
cat_sidhe
04-07-17, 04:12 PM
Dani8 We ARE safe. Would have been 3 people alive safer had Trump shut his BIG ****ing trap about Sweden. So when the dust settles I'll tell you how Greater Stockholm feels byt right now WE ARE ALL IN PUBS because we can't get home so thanks for the accidental drunk?????
Dani8 We ARE safe. Would have been 3 people alive safer had Trump shut his BIG ****ing trap about Sweden. So when the dust settles I'll tell you how Greater Stockholm feels byt right now WE ARE ALL IN PUBS because we can't get home so thanks for the accidental drunk?????
The world has gone to hell. Thanks Trumpty.
Stay safe, cat. Be happy with your friends in the pub.
cat_sidhe
04-07-17, 04:15 PM
Overheard in the pub: "Well that was a weird evening...."
cat_sidhe
04-07-17, 04:17 PM
I think they're gonna have to come at us with something heavier than a truck. The clock just struck 21.15 and we're drinking like nothing happened.
cat_sidhe
04-07-17, 04:17 PM
Ok Yoda you can temp ban me now...I know...I know.....
Overheard in the pub: "Well that was a weird evening...."
LOL. I'm just having this convo with my american nephew right now. The bromance between Putin and Trumpty is over?
However, my heart goes out to the families of the dead and injured in sweden due to that nutcase.
Captain Steel
04-07-17, 04:22 PM
I'm sorry, cat, I was asleep. Is Sweden safe from Trump's terrorism? We arent. Looks like our moron PM is sniffing his bum right now and sending our defence forces in to assist the idiot, even though Commander Marmalade hung up on him.
I do like those piglets.
I would've preferred if Trump's attack had been a "coalition" attack.
Remember the coalition to combat ISIS we heard about the last few years? 68 countries or something? (three to four times more than it took to defeat the Axis powers in WWII). Yet, ISIS still exists instead of having been wiped out within months of the alleged coalition's formation? (But I digress.)
I still want to know how we know the Assad regime committed the chemical attack? Why would he do this and why would Russia back it? Both ISIS and the rebels would love to frame his regime. I know it's based on "intelligence" but I recall something about rock-solid intelligence confirming that Saddam Hussein had WMD (enough solid intelligence that world leaders said they were convinced and that congress voted to allow G.W. Bush to invade Iraq), but then no one could find it.
Dani8 We ARE safe. Would have been 3 people alive safer had Trump shut his BIG ****ing trap about Sweden. So when the dust settles I'll tell you how Greater Stockholm feels byt right now WE ARE ALL IN PUBS because we can't get home so thanks for the accidental drunk?????
oooohh !! so trump is to blame , not the one who actually carried out the terror attack . he is the big boss who orders the terrorists to terrorise places is he ??
I would've preferred if Trump's attack had been a "coalition" attack.
Remember the coalition to combat ISIS we heard about the last few years? 68 countries or something? (three to four times more than it took to defeat the Axis powers in WWII). Yet, ISIS still exists instead of having been wiped out within months of the alleged coalition's formation? (But I digress.)
I still want to know how we know the Assad regime committed the chemical attack? Why would he do this and why would Russia back it? Both ISIS and the rebels would love to frame his regime. I know it's based on "intelligence" but I recall something about rock-solid intelligence confirming that Saddam Hussein had WMD (enough solid intelligence that world leaders said they were convinced and that congress voted to allow G.W. Bush to invade Iraq), but then no one could find it.
From what I saw Reuters was the first to claim it was a govt sanctioned terrorist attack. I dont think anyone knows who the ass holes were. Just lots of finger pointing and sabre rattling at this point.
Those poor little kids. Just utterly disgusting. I dont care who freaking did it but I hope they get karma.
Think I will join cat and get drunj. The world has gone to bloody hell.
cat_sidhe
04-07-17, 04:33 PM
Dani8 We ARE safe. Would have been 3 people alive safer had Trump shut his BIG ****ing trap about Sweden. So when the dust settles I'll tell you how Greater Stockholm feels byt right now WE ARE ALL IN PUBS because we can't get home so thanks for the accidental drunk?????
oooohh !! so trump is to blame , not the one who actually carried out the terror attack . he is the big boss who orders the terrorists to terrorise places is he ??
Yes. We had NO problem until we were forced to shout we had no problem. Not even you are stupid enough to notunderstand how that's a bullseye for ANYONE wishing to destabilise a society. Come on. And fair enough....we are easy targets. BUT GUESS WHAT. WE AREN'T DESTROYED. AT ALL.
Yes. We had NO problem until we were forced to shout we had no problem. Not even you are stupid enough to notunderstand how that's a bullseye for ANYONE wishing to destabilise a society. Come on. And fair enough....we are easy targets. BUT GUESS WHAT. WE AREN'T DESTROYED. AT ALL.
from times of india reporting on this news---
Friday's crash is near the site of a December 2010 attack in which Taimour Abdulwahab, a Swedish citizen who lived in Britain, detonated a suicide bomb, killing himself and injuring two others.
Abdulwahab rigged a car with explosives in the hope that the blast would drive people to Drottninggatan - the street hit Friday - where he would set off devices strapped to his chest and back. The car bomb never went off, and Abdulwahab died when one of his devices exploded among panicked Christmas shoppers.
cat_sidhe
04-07-17, 04:38 PM
You think Sweden is in ANY way cowed? You think we will change our PC way?
LOLOLOLOLLLOLOOL You gonna have to off a WHOLE lot more than 3 people with a ****ing lorry to kill the Swedish spirit. And if I'm wrong about that, I need to find PROPER gove zero ****s people.
cat_sidhe
04-07-17, 04:41 PM
Yes. We had NO problem until we were forced to shout we had no problem. Not even you are stupid enough to notunderstand how that's a bullseye for ANYONE wishing to destabilise a society. Come on. And fair enough....we are easy targets. BUT GUESS WHAT. WE AREN'T DESTROYED. AT ALL.
from times of india reporting on this news---
Friday's crash is near the site of a December 2010 attack in which Taimour Abdulwahab, a Swedish citizen who lived in Britain, detonated a suicide bomb, killing himself and injuring two others.
Abdulwahab rigged a car with explosives in the hope that the blast would drive people to Drottninggatan - the street hit Friday - where he would set off devices strapped to his chest and back. The car bomb never went off, and Abdulwahab died when one of his devices exploded among panicked Christmas shoppers.
Oh yes I was here for that...it was ****ing hilarious. WHAT A ****ING EPIC FAIL! It took Trump reminding them that they failed to try again. This time they took outv3 people and a back entrance of a shop. SUCCESS!!!!!
LOLOLOLOLLLOLOOL You gonna have to off a WHOLE lot more than 3 people with a ****ing lorry to kill the Swedish spirit
dont worry , that will come too . and not only swedish spirit , but all spirits will one day be banned in your and your neighbouring lands because it's against the law of muhammad to drink alcohol :D
dont worry , that will come too . and not only swedish spirit , but all spirits will one day be banned in your and your neighbouring lands because it's against the law of muhammad to drink alcohol :D
ash, you make absolutely no sense whatsoever. Cat is right there now so why dont you lay off with your diatribe. TIA.
cat_sidhe
04-07-17, 04:47 PM
I' give them this much...higher level of success than the idiot who blew himself up and....damaged a car a few years back. *thumbs up*
cat_sidhe
04-07-17, 04:50 PM
LOLOLOLOLLLOLOOL You gonna have to off a WHOLE lot more than 3 people with a ****ing lorry to kill the Swedish spirit
dont worry , that will come too . and not only swedish spirit , but all spirits will one day be banned in your and your neighbouring lands because it's against the law of muhammad to drink alcohol :D
Good luck with that.
A VERY hardcore Irish buddy of mine showed me a letter from **** kbows who by now....because Irish ppl twnd to be pro Palestine....and they said something about Ireland converting to Islam.
YEAH GOOD LUCK MAKING THEM GIVE UP BACON AND PREMARITAL SEX BRAH....
This time they took outv3 people
more than three probably....'several' ---
https://www.wsj.com/articles/several-dead-in-stockholm-truck-attack-1491574482
Why are you lecturing cat??? This is getting ridiculous. She LIVES in Sweden.
Maybe while we are at it we can get Trump blamed for the Kennedy assassination.
ash, you make absolutely no sense whatsoever. Cat is right there now so why dont you lay off with your diatribe. TIA.
wait till your iranian neighbour multiplies his brood while you hardly have any children ( compared to him at least ) . it will start making sense when their number multiplies .
cat_sidhe
04-07-17, 05:00 PM
This time they took outv3 people
more than three probably....'several' ---
https://www.wsj.com/articles/several-dead-in-stockholm-truck-attack-1491574482
3 confirmed dead. But hey don't believe someone "on the ground".
cat_sidhe
04-07-17, 05:02 PM
Why are you lecturing cat??? This is getting ridiculous. She LIVES in Sweden.
It doesn't matter. It's my fault for removing him from ignore. Just being shown how great a decision that was lol. WHAT A NICE GUY!!!!!
3 confirmed dead. But hey don't believe someone "on the ground".
four and counting , according to this news---
https://in.news.yahoo.com/truck-apos-crashes-crowd-people-131207412.html
wait till your iranian neighbour multiplies his brood while you hardly have any children ( compared to him at least ) . it will start making sense when their number multiplies .
Are you drunj? Gandhi would be rolling in his grave.
Are you drunj? Gandhi would be rolling in his grave.
you should read this book on gandhi called ' naked ambition' written by jad adams
read about the book here---
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/The-Mahatma-in-the-bedroom/articleshow/5879539.cms
cat_sidhe
04-07-17, 05:15 PM
3 confirmed dead. But hey don't believe someone "on the ground".
four and counting , according to this news---
https://in.news.yahoo.com/truck-apos-crashes-crowd-people-131207412.html
Ooooh 4 ok.
cat_sidhe
04-07-17, 05:19 PM
Sorryvif that sounds callous. I was raised in a countryvwhere everyone drives drunk so we lose more than Sweden's current attack PER DAY. I mean if we're talking about human life and terror let's talk about drunk driving.
cat_sidhe
04-07-17, 05:21 PM
I know it doesn't count since nobody said ALLAH AKBAR but hey...body count.
Captain Steel
04-07-17, 06:39 PM
Sorryvif that sounds callous. I was raised in a countryvwhere everyone drives drunk so we lose more than Sweden's current attack PER DAY. I mean if we're talking about human life and terror let's talk about drunk driving.
I've heard these kinds of arguments before and they are apples to oranges (unless the subject is just studying death and injury statistics).
Comparing numbers of terrorism victims to those killed in automobile accidents, by cancer, diabetes (you name the disease), smoking, drug overdoses, poisoning, drowning, accidents, falls, airplane crashes, animal attacks, old age, etc. may demonstrate that terrorism is not the leading cause of death among humans, but it doesn't minimize what terrorism is or what it does.
Drunk driving and terrorism are both caused by people and are both preventable - so they have that in common. But of all these different things that cause mass casualties, terrorism is one of the few perpetrated by organized groups of people, often sharing a single religion or ideology with the intent of murdering large numbers of innocent people.
Wplains
04-07-17, 07:56 PM
Drunk driving and terrorism are both caused by people and are both preventable - so they have that in common. But of all these different things that cause mass casualties, terrorism is one of the few perpetrated by organized groups of people, often sharing a single religion or ideology with the intent of murdering large numbers of innocent people.
I'm flabbergasted. How can anyone compare drunk driving do deliberate, premeditated, cold blooded terrorist attacks designed to hurt, kill and maim as many innocent people as possible?
Nowhere is safe now. It's just a matter of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. And some idiots are still calling for open borders in Europe... sheesh! :(
Good luck Sweden because you're sure gonna need it in the future.
MovieMeditation
04-07-17, 08:28 PM
Sweden... that's close now. I'm right next to it basically. Well, it's only a matter of time before they hit Strøget in Copenhagen here in Denmark... long, very long, straight, busy and popular walking street full of people shopping.
Captain Steel
04-07-17, 08:31 PM
Jesus christ :facepalm:
What?
Sweden... that's close now. I'm right next to it basically. Well, it's only a matter of time before they hit Strøget in Copenhagen here in Denmark... long, very long, straight, busy and popular walking street full of people shopping.
Denmark has decent mental health care, doesnt it, MM? It's the lunatics who are the worry.
Captain Steel
04-07-17, 08:37 PM
Denmark has decent mental health care, doesnt it, MM? It's the lunatics who are the worry.
That's true, Dani. Unfortunately most of the world's lunatic terrorists have a shared mental illness called fundamentalist Islamic ideology.
That's true, Dani. Unfortunately most of the world's lunatic terrorists have a shared mental illness called fundamentalist Islamic ideology.
And the other lunatics just assume every terrorist act on the globe is a political act caused by an invisible friend.
Captain Steel
04-07-17, 08:51 PM
And the other lunatics just assume every terrorist act on the globe is a political act caused by an invisible friend.
I have no idea what this means.
Wplains
04-07-17, 08:56 PM
Sweden... that's close now. I'm right next to it basically. Well, it's only a matter of time before they hit Strøget in Copenhagen here in Denmark... long, very long, straight, busy and popular walking street full of people shopping.
It's only a matter of time before they hit anywhere. I now look over my shoulder any time I'm in a busy airport (I live and travel a lot in Europe) and last time I was in Paris decided to avoid the Christmas market because I thought it might make a great target for trucks. Lo and behold, just a couple of days later the attack in the market in Germany happened.
Have you thought about an attack in a place like Oxford Street in London were you can barely move on the sidewalk because there are so many people? *shudder*
cat_sidhe
04-07-17, 09:23 PM
Sorryvif that sounds callous. I was raised in a countryvwhere everyone drives drunk so we lose more than Sweden's current attack PER DAY. I mean if we're talking about human life and terror let's talk about drunk driving.
I've heard these kinds of arguments before and they are apples to oranges (unless the subject is just studying death and injury statistics).
Comparing numbers of terrorism victims to those killed in automobile accidents, by cancer, diabetes (you name the disease), smoking, drug overdoses, poisoning, drowning, accidents, falls, airplane crashes, animal attacks, old age, etc. may demonstrate that terrorism is not the leading cause of death among humans, but it doesn't minimize what terrorism is or what it does.
Drunk driving and terrorism are both caused by people and are both preventable - so they have that in common. But of all these different things that cause mass casualties, terrorism is one of the few perpetrated by organized groups of people, often sharing a single religion or ideology with the intent of murdering large numbers of innocent people.
True. But judging by the city tonight, then HUGE fail. The only thing they did was inconvenience a few people.
cat_sidhe
04-07-17, 09:25 PM
Drunk driving and terrorism are both caused by people and are both preventable - so they have that in common. But of all these different things that cause mass casualties, terrorism is one of the few perpetrated by organized groups of people, often sharing a single religion or ideology with the intent of murdering large numbers of innocent people.
I'm flabbergasted. How can anyone compare drunk driving do deliberate, premeditated, cold blooded terrorist attacks designed to hurt, kill and maim as many innocent people as possible?
Nowhere is safe now. It's just a matter of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. And some idiots are still calling for open borders in Europe... sheesh! :(
Good luck Sweden because you're sure gonna need it in the future.
lol...well thanks!! Sweden will be fine!
I love the comment by the Australian that the truck driver didn't look out of control. He was just swerving all over the place
Captain Steel
04-07-17, 09:28 PM
True. But judging by the city tonight, then HUGE fail. The only thing they did was inconvenience a few people.
Everything they do is a fail. If they understood anything about Karma then they'd know that attempting to hurt innocent people is always a fail (of course, in Islam, no non-believer is "innocent" but is deserving of death at the hands of believers).
True. But judging by the city tonight, then HUGE fail. The only thing they did was inconvenience a few people.
Everything they do is a fail. If they understood anything about Karma then they'd know that attempting to hurt innocent people is always a fail (of course, in Islam, no non-believer is "innocent" but is deserving of death at the hands of believers).
Hey take that up with state sanctioned slaughter but you won't. WTF was this thread not called I hate every muzzie.
cat_sidhe
04-07-17, 09:32 PM
I couldn't give less of a **** what religioys text is quoted at me. (not you, Cap
..just in general)
All you need in life to get by....is to not be a major ********.
cat_sidhe
04-07-17, 09:33 PM
True. But judging by the city tonight, then HUGE fail. The only thing they did was inconvenience a few people.
Everything they do is a fail. If they understood anything about Karma then they'd know that attempting to hurt innocent people is always a fail (of course, in Islam, no non-believer is "innocent" but is deserving of death at the hands of believers).
Hey take that up with state sanctioned slaughter but you won't. WTF was this thread not called I hate every muzzie.
MUZZIE?
wtf lol
Captain Steel
04-07-17, 09:38 PM
Hey take that up with state sanctioned slaughter but you won't. WTF was this thread not called I hate every muzzie.
Probably because no one here feels that way (or they don't want to insult Muslims with derogatory slurs). :)
There are some Muslim anti-terrorism activists, reformists, truth speakers and those seeking equal rights for women that I adore because they are educating the world on the reality of Islam, its history, what it teaches, what it does and what really needs to change.
Wplains
04-07-17, 09:42 PM
lol...well thanks!! Sweden will be fine!
I doubt it as they seem to be self-destructing. I'm surprised you seem to be making fun of the innocent people killed in Sweden today but hey, to each his own eh?
Oh and please ignore the +1 thingie I gave your post -- I pressed it by mistake. Hard to type on a virtual keyboard.
Hey take that up with state sanctioned slaughter but you won't. WTF was this thread not called I hate every muzzie.
Probably because no one here feels that way (or they don't want to insult Muslims with derogatory slurs). :)
There are some Muslim anti-terrorism activists, reformists, truth speakers and those seeking equal rights for women that I adore because they are educating the world on the reality of Islam, its history, what it teaches, what it does and what really needs to change.
Ayy yeah because you hide your slurs with emoji. Clever not clever
Captain Steel
04-07-17, 09:53 PM
Ayy yeah because you hide your slurs with emoji. Clever not clever
I don't make slurs. I differentiate "all Muslims" from the ideology of Islam. One is a group of individuals and the other is a way of thinking and acting - which different individuals and groups embrace (or reject) to different extents.
cat_sidhe
04-07-17, 10:11 PM
lol...well thanks!! Sweden will be fine!
I doubt it as they seem to be self-destructing. I'm surprised you seem to be making fun of the innocent people killed in Sweden today but hey, to each his own eh?
Oh and please ignore the +1 thingie I gave your post -- I pressed it by mistake. Hard to type on a virtual keyboard.
"They seem to be self destructing". Spoken to many people in Stockholm today did you?
And yes. Got a problem with how some people handle things? :lol:
Wplains
04-07-17, 10:20 PM
"They seem to be self destructing". Spoken to many people in Stockholm today did you?
And yes. Got a problem with how some people handle things? :lol:
Yes you are making fun of the people who died today? Sorry, you don't seem to make much sense.
And I have several Swedish friends who live in Stockholm.
I don't make slurs. I differentiate "all Muslims" from the ideology of Islam. One is a group of individuals and the other is a way of thinking and acting - which different individuals and groups embrace (or reject) to different extents.
Are you the guy on FB who gave me a like yesterday for calling him a cretin and then cried because he thinks the qur'an forces women to wear a head covering?
cat_sidhe
04-07-17, 10:21 PM
Show me where I did.
And I am willing to bet my arse I have more Stockholm friends and how we chooose to express ourselves has ****all to do wih you.
Show me where I did.
And I am willing to bet my arse I have more Stockholm friends and how we chooose to express ourselves has ****all to do wih you.
LOL. Amazing isnt it. Someone in another country can tell you what's happening. Magic.
cat_sidhe
04-07-17, 10:33 PM
Show me where I did.
And I am willing to bet my arse I have more Stockholm friends and how we chooose to express ourselves has ****all to do wih you.
LOL. Amazing isnt it. Someone in another country can tell you what's happening. Magic.
Actually I'm not going to tell him/her how to feel. We all feel and react in our own fashion. He/she doesn't understand mine and that's all fine too. It's these differences that makes fine art. :)
Wplains
04-07-17, 10:33 PM
Show me where I did.
And I am willing to bet my arse I have more Stockholm friends and how we chooose to express ourselves has ****all to do wih you.
I'm sure you do. What does that have to do with anything? This is not a pissing contest as far as I know. I only said I had friends in Stockholm and I have no idea what you are on about about as to "expressing yourselves". Expressing yourselves about what? Again, you make no sense - you just seem to be very defensive. Why is that?
cat_sidhe
04-07-17, 10:39 PM
Because you're coming at me bro. Or trying to. You don't understand me and that's ok. I'm actually not mad... I didnt mean it to sound like I was. I drop f bombs all the time. I shouldn't but I do.
I can tell you Swedes reacted in many different ways. Not one that I met was afraid or felt differently about the refugees. I am POSITIVE some do, which is why I escape Sweden anout twice a year if I can... I am not anything like a Swede, unfortunately.
Wplains
04-07-17, 10:50 PM
Because you're coming at me bro. Or trying to. You don't understand me and that's ok. I'm actually not mad... I didnt mean it to sound like I was. I drop f bombs all the time. I shouldn't but I do.
I can tell you Swedes reacted in many different ways. Not one that I met was afraid or felt differently about the refugees. I am POSITIVE some do, which is why I escape Sweden anout twice a year if I can... I am not anything like a Swede, unfortunately.
You think I'm upset over the F word? Lol, what are you? 12? I couldn't care less about "understanding" you. And just where did I say anything about anyone being afraid or even talked about refugees? I am just curious as to how someone from Sweden could be making fun of the death of nnocent people who died in a cowardly attack perpretrated by a cold blooded murderer. But if you're not Swedish, I guess that explains it.
(Oh and btw, I'm not a bro.)
cat_sidhe
04-07-17, 10:53 PM
Ok. I read you well and clear
Captain Steel
04-07-17, 11:22 PM
Are you the guy on FB who gave me a like yesterday for calling him a cretin and then cried because he thinks the qur'an forces women to wear a head covering?
It wasn't me because I don't go on FB.
I know it doesn't count since nobody said ALLAH AKBAR but hey...body count.
here the muzzies are singing 'allahu akbar' ( god is great ) in a bollywood movie . look at the way they go in a trance while singing and in the end walk over burning coals . their god is indeed great !!
https://youtu.be/RDTL9qrP03k
I feel like I've walked into a nightmarish bollyweed set.
Movie Max
04-08-17, 10:40 AM
What an article.:tsk: No worries, this was just Swedes killing Swedes or Europeans killing Europeans, nothing to see here...:rolleyes:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/stockholm-attack-reaction-shock-1.4062070
"That it happens in Sweden should not come as a big surprise," he explains. "The security service has been warning that it's just a matter of time."...at least 300 Swedes went to Syria and Iraq to join Islamist groups in recent years — and as many as 140 foreign fighters may have returned to Sweden."We have had Swedes involved in terror attacks across Europe," says Youcefi, "and we have had a lot of radical Islamists travelling to join ISIS.":facepalm:
"I don't know how things like this can happen in a peaceful county that was always neutral."Yeah, me neither.
"Because this is Sweden. We're so peaceful. It can't happen here," she says, wiping her tears away.Total surprise. I have no idea how this could have happened or who and what may have caused this, aside from Swedes themselves.:rolleyes: That peaceful Swedish mentality must be deteriorating.:(
Wplains
04-08-17, 12:00 PM
What an article.:tsk: No worries, this was just Swedes killing Swedes or Europeans killing Europeans, nothing to see here...:rolleyes:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/stockholm-attack-reaction-shock-1.4062070
:facepalm:
Yeah, me neither.
Total surprise. I have no idea how this could have happened or who and what may have caused this, aside from Swedes themselves.:rolleyes: That peaceful Swedish mentality must be deteriorating.:(
They sound as thick as planks these people who thought "it can't happen here". It can, it did and it will continue no matter how virtuous and superior the Swedes feel. They were total idiots to accept nearly 200,000 people posing as refugees whom no one has any idea where they come from as they all destroyed their documents on reaching the European mainland. Real refugees do not tramp through dozens of countries on their way to find the ones that will give them the most benefits (such as Germany, Sweden and the UK). They are quite happy to escape the war zones and ask for asylum in the first peaceful country they come to.
A city of almost one million that should be bustling and partying on a moonlit Friday night is spookily silent – except for the buzz of a helicopter and the wail of a distant police siren.
Really? But I thought Cat from Sweden yesterday told us how this was "just an inconvenience" and how Swedes were all out drinking, laughing and making jokes about the victims. Guess the reporter was in a different city from her....
Oh and Uzbequistan is now a part of Sweden? Well, what a surprise! :homealone:
cat_sidhe
04-08-17, 12:30 PM
Really? But I thought Cat from Sweden yesterday told us how this was "just an inconvenience" and how Swedes were all out drinking, laughing and making jokes about the victims. Guess the reporter was in a different city from her....
Nobody made jokes about the victims. And yes, many Swedes were out last night, drinking.
Movie Max
04-08-17, 12:50 PM
Trivializing the one recent successful attack does not alter the facts, unless this is just fake news...
Last month the anti-immigrant Sweden Democrats overtook the centre-right Moderates and the government-leading Social Democrats to become, in one YouGov poll, the country's most popular party.That so many Swedes now support the Democrats shows how many Swedes want to tap the brakes on liberal and multicultural policies, and most especially immigration.http://www.smh.com.au/world/sweden-truck-attack-tests-ideas-of-inclusion-and-openness-20170408-gvgs5m.html
Movie Max
04-08-17, 12:57 PM
This sums up the approach...
"We have probably just thought it will fix itself, that people will want to get integrated – which I think they actually do – by themselves," he said. "So we haven't really done anything, no specific plans for integration, and that maybe was a mistake."
Movie Max
04-08-17, 01:21 PM
Two contrasting views from two individuals speaking for all of Sweden...
(yes, Sweden is already making jokes....to be fair....it could just be me)
Prime Minister Stefan Lofven also visited the site and struck a defiant tone: "All of us feel anger over what has happened, I also feel the same anger, but we also need to use that anger for something constructive and go forward."
With over a quarter of the population now being of foreign descent and the Sweden Democrats surging in polls, I have a feeling both are wrong.
christine
04-08-17, 01:21 PM
no one is trivialising terrorists attacks in their own countries. I never saw Cat saying anything of the sort. The fact is that unless you live in that country you have no right to comment on how their citizens feel. You can comment on the attack, but don't assume you know how those citizens feel. Don't read random press, and random polls and assume to understand the politics of that country or the outlook of those citizens. Lots of people in Europe feel that immigration needs to be given more thought, but that doesn't mean we've all become right wing anti immigration fascists, or that we don't believe that multiculturalism works.
That so many Swedes now support the Democrats shows how many Swedes want to tap the brakes on liberal and multicultural policies, and most especially immigration.
Don't we all know that people say things on voxpops and for polls that don't translate into who they want to actually lead them when it comes to the crunch. Look at the Netherlands general election last month where far right Geert Wilders (who was running on a "de-Islamisation of the Netherlands" platform) was running high in the polls to actually win the most seats, actually got knocked back pretty badly. In the UK, UKIP's supposed massive amount of support only won them one MP and even he has defected to become an Independant. We await the general election in France in the next few weeks to see how Marine LePen does.
no one is trivialising terrorists attacks in their own countries. I never saw Cat saying anything of the sort. .
I never saw any such thing either. Some people just like to fabricate or hallucinate. Stefan Lofven said exactly the same thing as cat. We are not afraid. Living in fear of terror acts is excctly what the nutcases want.
Sorryvif that sounds callous. I was raised in a countryvwhere everyone drives drunk so we lose more than Sweden's current attack PER DAY. I mean if we're talking about human life and terror let's talk about drunk driving.
you want to just drink and make merry isn't it ? don't want to produce children and no responsibility towards the future.....
so who will take care of you when old ? yeah , the grand plan is that the refugees will....that's why you people want more and more of these refugees . they are supposed to run your country when you grow old without children....
well , let me tell you that the refugees got other plans for your country and it is the same as for every country they are confronted with---to convert it to their religion .
you want to just drink and make merry isn't it ? don't want to produce children and no responsibility towards the future.....
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What on earth???
Movie Max
04-08-17, 01:34 PM
no one is trivialising terrorists attacks in their own countries. I never saw Cat saying anything of the sort.
Oh, my mistake.:rolleyes:
I think they're gonna have to come at us with something heavier than a truck. The clock just struck 21.15 and we're drinking like nothing happened.
True. But judging by the city tonight, then HUGE fail. The only thing they did was inconvenience a few people.
Glad the inconvenience to a few people didn't disrupt the oblivious drinking. Carry on.
Captain Steel
04-08-17, 01:40 PM
Lots of people in Europe feel that immigration needs to be given more thought, but that doesn't mean we've all become right wing anti immigration fascists, or that we don't believe that multiculturalism works.
Multiculturalism works just fine... AS LONG AS... it does not include cultures that hold to a political-religious ideology that advocates terrorism and genocide.
The ideas of death to the infidels, "kill them wherever ye find them", establishing supremacy, stealth jihad, Sharia law, taqqiya, misogyny, slavery, rape, pedophilia, and death to apostates don't jive too well inside societies where people are attempting to live together, tolerant of each other's diversity, in equality and peace.
cat_sidhe
04-08-17, 01:41 PM
I never saw any such thing either. Some people just like to fabricate or hallucinate. Stefan Lofven said exactly the same thing as cat. We are not afraid. Living in fear of terror acts is excctly what the nutcases want.
To be fair, he said it with a lot less....whatever I did it with, than I. I get a bit inapproriate/dark in the face of horrible things. I'm not sure why. Possibly my only coping mechanism. It shouldn't really be let loose on decent people, and in that I failed. I do apologise for having offended anyone.
people are attempting to live together, tolerant of each other's diversity, in equality and peace.
Oh the irony.
cat_sidhe
04-08-17, 01:43 PM
Glad the inconvenience to a few people didn't disrupt the oblivious drinking. Carry on.
Full marks for identifying bravado.
T Possibly my only coping mechanism.
That's normal human nature. After the sydney siege people were taking selfies at the shrine while crying. Not what someone removed from the situation would think was appropriate but everyone reacts differently to a crisis.
http://www.smh.com.au/content/dam/images/1/2/9/t/s/i/image.related.articleLeadwide.620x349.12az08.png/1420685076765.jpg
cat_sidhe
04-08-17, 01:46 PM
That's still a more acceptable response.
christine
04-08-17, 01:47 PM
Oh, my mistake.:rolleyes:
Glad the inconvenience to a few people didn't disrupt the oblivious drinking. Carry on.
look, I think you misunderstand this concept. Carrying on drinking is what we do in the UK too in the face of bad times. It's a staying out on the streets mindset, it's a standing up for your country, it's a not giving in to terrorists, it's about not being scared. Joking about terrorism is black humour, it's sarcasm, it's how we deal with stuff. It's our way.
Captain Steel
04-08-17, 01:48 PM
Oh the irony.
What's the irony?
You can't have tolerance, equality and diversity in a group when one contingent is intolerant of the beliefs of others (and wants to kill them over it), believes in supremacy instead of equality and wants everyone thinking, believing and behaving in the exact same way (or else, have their head cut off).
How can I prove that such crazy sounding things are actually true? Easy - non-stop, global Islamic Terrorism - it shows that a fundamentalist genocidal ideology cannot be included within diverse cultures if those cultures wish to maintain tolerance, equality and peace... like Sweden (and dozens of others that have been victimized by the blight of Islamic fundamentalism).
You really have to ask what the irony is when you are so intolerant of muslims? You probably wouldnt recognise one if you fell over a head scarf.
Captain Steel
04-08-17, 01:57 PM
You really have to ask what the irony is when you are so intolerant of muslims? You probably wouldnt recognise one if you fell over a head scarf.
Look - if you were on an island with a bunch of people and you all agreed you were going to get along, share everything equally and be tolerant of each other - but there was one guy who tried to slit everyone's throats in their sleep so he could be in charge, do you think the rest of the group that is being tolerant of each other should tolerate this guy? Would they?
Or would they find a way to restrain, imprison or exile him (or even eliminate him) to protect themselves?
And please don't misconstrue the analogy and say, "Oh, so you want to imprison or eliminate all Muslims now?" The analogy pertains to the threat of terrorism within peaceful societies - which some wish to deny completely because they don't know of any way to address it.
christine
04-08-17, 01:58 PM
Multiculturalism works just fine... AS LONG AS... it does not include cultures that hold to a political-religious ideology that advocates terrorism and genocide.
The ideas of death to the infidels, "kill them wherever ye find them", establishing supremacy, stealth jihad, Sharia law, taqqiya, misogyny, slavery, rape, pedophilia, and death to apostates don't jive too well inside societies where people are attempting to live together, tolerant of each other's diversity, in equality and peace.
Looks like multiculturalism in the big cosmopolitan inner city where I live, and we have a fair sized muslim population. Everyone just seems to want to get on with their lives.
Look - if you were on an island with a bunch of people and you all agreed you were going to get along, share everything equally and be tolerant of each other - but there was one guy who tried to slit everyone's throats in their sleep so he could be in charge, do you think the rest of the group that is being tolerant of each other should tolerate this guy? Would they?
Or would they find a way to restrain, imprison or exile him (or even eliminate him) to protect themselves?
And please don't misconstrue the analogy and say, "Oh, so you want to imprison or eliminate all Muslims now?" The analogy pertains to the threat of terrorism within peaceful societies - which some wish to deny completely because they don't know of any way to address it.
I do live on an island where people just want to get along, and some times they dont. What does that have to do with your intolerance of diversity in society?
Never mind. I;m getting sucked in again. My bad.
Movie Max
04-08-17, 02:09 PM
look, I think you misunderstand this concept. Carrying on drinking is what we do in the UK too in the face of bad times. It's a staying out on the streets mindset, it's a standing up for your country, it's a not giving in to terrorists, it's about not being scared. Joking about terrorism is black humour, it's sarcasm, it's how we deal with stuff. It's our way.
The trivialization was evident to me.
I get the jokes and the drinking, just that this "carrying on" should show a tiny bit of conideration for the families who now have 4 dead and many still in hospital.
I am certain that all of Europe will need to keep its spirits high for the foreseeable future.
https://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/keep-calm-and-keep-your-spirits-high-3.png
Captain Steel
04-08-17, 02:12 PM
Looks like multiculturalism in the big cosmopolitan inner city where I live, and we have a fair sized muslim population. Everyone just seems to want to get on with their lives.
Yeah. I don't claim to have an answer - but part of the problem is that the greater Muslim community is the Trojan Horse for Islamic Terrorism. It also serves as the unintentional sanctuary, network, and support structure for Jihadists.
Terrorists don't always just manifest out of some vacuum (like the bad gunman who wonders into a western town to challenge the sheriff to a gunfight), but rather, are almost always produced within a community or family structure (be they an established one or one of refugees), have multiple points of contact within the greater Muslim community, are associated with mosques, etc.
You know the idea of "Six Degrees of Separation"? Well, the degrees are much less in Islam between moderation and terrorism because there are so many (both overt and covert) who embrace the concepts of Jihad to different extremes - some want to carry it out personally, some only support it, some are tacit about it, and some oppose it. But for those who oppose it, they are surrounded by a community that may take action against them if it is found out that they oppose the fundamental Islamic thinking.
Wplains
04-08-17, 02:14 PM
Nobody made jokes about the victims. And yes, many Swedes were out last night, drinking.
Well sorry if I misunderstood but that's the gist of what I got from your posts last night, that you and your friends were busy drinking and making jokes about the attack and that life went on as usua. the media reports I read of the night life in Stockholm yesterday said it was all very quiet and that there were few people about.
But for those who oppose it, they are surrounded by a community that may take action against them if it is found out that they oppose the fundamental Islamic thinking.
Oh really. Name all the Imams who have been stoned or beheaded for publicly condemning acts of terror and radicalisation.
cat_sidhe
04-08-17, 02:34 PM
Well sorry if I misunderstood but that's the gist of what I got from your posts last night, that you and your friends were busy drinking and making jokes about the attack and that life went on as usua. the media reports I read of the night life in Stockholm yesterday said it was all very quiet and that there were few people about.
You got the wrong gist, but that probably had everything to do with my delivery. But people do respond in all kinds of different ways, and Christine hit the nail on the head when it comes to what happened in a lot of pubs last night. People did go in, looking for comfort and to have fear shaken out of them. That was provided.
I can't depict adequately what the vibe was, and how it's possible to be dark yet supportive. I do understand it's unfair to force you to be exposed to my coping mechanism. So fot that, I apologise. But not for how I cope. That's up to each individual.
The absolute state of this thread :facepalm:
Some people with some good points but others just seem to regurgitate what they read in the papers.
One of the biggest problems with society in general is the seemingly increased inability of people to disagree well. Many seem to get angry that others dare to disagree with their point of view and others seem to get offended.
If you have an opinion and wish to state it, then it always helps to have some kind of logic or reasoning for it. You obviously don't have to, you can just state an opinion and ignore the requests from others to give reasons for it, but then you just come across as a bit foolish.
Anyway, I think you are all great and of equal value.
As you were.
christine
04-08-17, 02:49 PM
Well sorry if I misunderstood but that's the gist of what I got from your posts last night, that you and your friends were busy drinking and making jokes about the attack and that life went on as usua. the media reports I read of the night life in Stockholm yesterday said it was all very quiet and that there were few people about.
The trivialization was evident to me.
I get the jokes and the drinking, just that this "carrying on" should show a tiny bit of conideration for the families who now have 4 dead and many still in hospital.
I am certain that all of Europe will need to keep its spirits high for the foreseeable future.
https://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/keep-calm-and-keep-your-spirits-high-3.png
Life does go on as usual, and of course people consider the families of the dead, and even the families of the killers. Remember I said that after the UK atrocity outside the house of commons. A few days later the poor mother of the killer who btw hadn't seen her son for 20 years talked of her absolute shock and numbness. Imagine living with being the mother of someone who does something like that.
These two pages of posts have been a storm in a teacup. People jumped on Cat who was trying to express a coping mechanism we have. The Northern European stoical mentality must be hard to understand for some, but it's bred from being in far worse situations than terrorists mowing people down in a car - I'm not trivialising before you all jump on me too - but it comes from long history. Most recently in living memory from living under Nazi rule for some of us like the Dutch and the French, and like us in the UK cities being bombed every night and not knowing whether you're going to live to see the next day. Sweden trying to remain neutral while being a refuge for Jews and other refugees from all over Europe. So you see all this history goes into the mentality of the country even though you might be too young to know first hand these events. So don't presume to know that how we feel precludes any sorrow we feel for the victims whatever country they come from.
I feel like I've walked into a nightmarish bollyweed set.
yeah , the film was made by a director who was closely connected with the drug mafia . his whole family is dug addicted too .
the whole film seems to be made to promote drugs . here is one more song from the film--
https://youtu.be/dcEgdXOLc9s
Movie Max
04-08-17, 04:32 PM
People jumped on Cat...
I'm still not surprised, based on what I read.
Wplains
04-08-17, 05:05 PM
Don't we all know that people say things on voxpops and for polls that don't translate into who they want to actually lead them when it comes to the crunch. Look at the Netherlands general election last month where far right Geert Wilders (who was running on a "de-Islamisation of the Netherlands" platform) was running high in the polls to actually win the most seats, actually got knocked back pretty badly. In the UK, UKIP's supposed massive amount of support only won them one MP and even he has defected to become an Independant. We await the general election in France in the next few weeks to see how Marine LePen does.
The fact is that unless you live in that country you have no right to comment on how their citizens feel.
Oh good! So now all those non British nd non American people who call Brexiters "moronic", "idiots" and "racists and all Americans who voted for Trump "ignorant", "fascists" and "dumb" should just keep their mouths shut because - you know - they don 't have the right to comment on how they feel....right? :D
You do realize WIldeers didn't win but came in second and that the socialist party practically disappeared from Holland? And that that the candidate who did win parroted many of Wildeers' ideas about controlled immigration? He didn't win this time but he may very well come in first the next time if the politicians continue with this idiotic approach to uncontrolled immigration in Europe. Even the Swedes with their government controlled press are starting to vote for alternative parties.
cat_sidhe
04-08-17, 05:51 PM
People jumped on Cat...
I'm still not surprised, based on what I read.
And I don't mind! Jump away! ;)
Movie Max
04-08-17, 05:53 PM
And I don't mind! Jump away! ;)
There is no need, anymore. Your more recent posts explain everything.
Oh good! So now all those non British nd non American people who call Brexiters "moronic", "idiots" and "racists and all Americans who voted for Trump "ignorant", "fascists" and "dumb" should just keep their mouths shut because - you know - they don 't have the right to comment on how they feel....right? :D
You do realize WIldeers didn't win but came in second and that the socialist party practically disappeared from Holland? And that that the candidate who did win parroted many of Wildeers' ideas about controlled immigration? He didn't win this time but he may very well come in first the next time if the politicians continue with this idiotic approach to uncontrolled immigration in Europe. Even the Swedes with their government controlled press are starting to vote for alternative parties.
What on earth does this have to do with a thread on terrorism?
Oh tht's right. Silly question.
christine
04-08-17, 06:59 PM
Oh good! So now all those non British nd non American people who call Brexiters "moronic", "idiots" and "racists and all Americans who voted for Trump "ignorant", "fascists" and "dumb" should just keep their mouths shut because - you know - they don 't have the right to comment on how they feel....right? :D
You do realize WIldeers didn't win but came in second and that the socialist party practically disappeared from Holland? And that that the candidate who did win parroted many of Wildeers' ideas about controlled immigration? He didn't win this time but he may very well come in first the next time if the politicians continue with this idiotic approach to uncontrolled immigration in Europe. Even the Swedes with their government controlled press are starting to vote for alternative parties.
I didnt say they should keep their mouths shut, I said they have no right to comment that they know how that country's people feel.
I know Wilders came second. My point is that he was predicated to win by a big margin and he didn't . You can't predict where he will come next time.
What on earth does this have to do with a thread on terrorism?
Oh tht's right. Silly question.
the immigrants are committing terrorism and uncontrolled immigration will lead to uncontrolled terrorism .
Of course, non Muslim immigrants are not committing terrorism . Multiculturalism should be limited to them only .
Of course, non Muslim immigrants are not committing terrorism . Multiculturalism should be limited to them only .
Oh yeah, ash - like there's no such thing as domestic terrorism and state sanctioned terrorism. I dont think you even know what the term means, mate.
Oh yeah, ash - like there's no such thing as domestic terrorism and state sanctioned terrorism. I dont think you even know what the term means, mate.
That's the usual ******** spewed by libtards---about Indian government unleashing terror on kashmiris ( whom you call Pakistanis ) .
You still haven't told me how many times you visited Pakistan and what they fed you that you accept their version of the truth . Their kebabs were too irresistible were they ? Wonder what they were laced with---some truth changing potion ?
That's the usual ******** spewed by libtards---about Indian government unleashing terror on kashmiris ( whom you call Pakistanis ) .
You still haven't told me how many times you visited Pakistan and what they fed you that you accept their version of the truth . Their kebabs were too irresistible were they ? Wonder what they were laced with---some truth changing potion ?
Are you hitting the bhang lassis? Seriously, dude. You need to get a grip. I've really tried to get your PoV but your hatred is a turn off. Tally ho.
Are you hitting the bhang lassis? Seriously, dude. You need to get a grip. I've really tried to get your PoV but your hatred is a turn off. Tally ho.
my hatred !!?? muslims divided my country out of sheer hatred for hindus and created pakistan . that division was accompanied by ferocious massacres instigated by their sheer hatred . even after separating pakistan ( which could have maintained normal relations with my country ) spews hate at my country and has waged war several times .
so it's not my hatred . i am merely speaking out of my nation's experience . but that experience neatly tallies with what the west is experiencing with islam right now . so i am adding the two experiences together and coming to a conclusion about islam .
I don't appreciate your filthy language that was censored or your constant comprehension problem. Goodbye.
Captain Steel
04-09-17, 01:32 AM
The absolute state of this thread :facepalm:
Some people with some good points but others just seem to regurgitate what they read in the papers.
One of the biggest problems with society in general is the seemingly increased inability of people to disagree well. Many seem to get angry that others dare to disagree with their point of view and others seem to get offended.
If you have an opinion and wish to state it then it always helps to have some kind of logic or reasoning for it. You obviously don't have to, you can just state an opinion and ignore the requests from others to give reasons for it, but then you just come across as a bit foolish.
Anyway, I think you are all great and of equal value.
As you were.
Just bumping Sarge's post because I love it!
It's got a message of balance that everyone needs to keep in mind.
Just bumping Sarge's post because I love it!
It's got a message of balance that everyone needs to keep in mind.
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii155/macabreVjoyride/caturday/oh-the-ironing.jpg
Wplains
04-09-17, 05:38 AM
I didnt say they should keep their mouths shut, I said they have no right to comment that they know how that country's people feel.
I know Wilders came second. My point is that he was predicated to win by a big margin and he didn't . You can't predict where he will come next time.
And I replied if they have no right to comment on how that country's people feel about terrorist attacks then It's equally that you cannot comment on how people "feel" when they vote for things you don't like. Because you know, all I'm hearing from from other nationalities is how stupid and dumb (let's not even get into the more insulting "racist" and "fascist") the British voters who voted for Brexit are with the same being applied to Americans who voted for Trump.
The point is that Wildeers did not "lose" as was widely reported. He won quite a lot - it may not be the top job...yet but he has the potencial to get there the next time around. Let these attacks in Europe continue and governments be seen to be doing nothing, and we'll see what happens In the next elections.
It will be quite interesting to see what happens next in France with LePen.
Wplains
04-09-17, 05:59 AM
well , let me tell you that the refugees got other plans for your country and it is the same as for every country they are confronted with---to convert it to their religion .
What refugees? People who enter Europe (after paying traffickers substantial amounts of money), who abandon and destroy their documents and then proceed to cherry pick their way across Europe trying to reach the rich Northern countries where they think they will receive the most benefits are not "refugees" by any definition of the word. They are economic migrants, pure and simple. And as an European taxpayer, I seriously resent this and don't see why I should be obliged to fork out for them.
We need an Australian type solution asap. One which will also stop the deaths in the Med which will only increase as the weather improves and migrants are sent to sea in ever flimsier and rickety boats.
Iroquois
04-09-17, 06:04 AM
Nah, Australia's solution is also terrible.
Wplains
04-09-17, 07:17 AM
Nah, Australia's solution is also terrible.
It's stopped the deaths of people in the sea. What's terrible about that? What the NGO's are doing in Europe is encouraging traffickers to send out people in ever flimsier amd unsafe boats because they know these rescue vessels are practically picking them up off the coast of Lybia. They are, in fact, encouraging, aiding and abetting the people traffickers. Then they are ferried to Italy where they are dumped for the Italian taxpayer to pay for because most of the routes to the rest of Europe are now shut and no one wants them.
Iroquois
04-09-17, 08:01 AM
Yeah, well, being stuck indefinitely in government-sanctioned detention centres where you are subject to abuse and conditions so horrible that doctors aren't permitted to publicly report on them isn't exactly my idea of a picnic.
christine
04-09-17, 10:49 AM
And I replied if they have no right to comment on how that country's people feel about terrorist attacks then It's equally that you cannot comment on how people "feel" when they vote for things you don't like. Because you know, all I'm hearing from from other nationalities is how stupid and dumb (let's not even get into the more insulting "racist" and "fascist") the British voters who voted for Brexit are with the same being applied to Americans who voted for Trump.
.
I didn't vote for Brexit, but there are nuanced reasons why people did vote for it which may not be understood outside the UK. Being called stupid and dumb or even racist and fascist is just useless name calling which helps nobody. This is a democracy, this is how we voted so we made our bed and now we have to lie in it. Same goes for the Americans.
Yeah, well, being stuck indefinitely in government-sanctioned detention centres where you are subject to abuse and conditions so horrible that doctors aren't permitted to publicly report on them isn't exactly my idea of a picnic.
Oh yes, because hailing a leaky boat to trundle through shark infested waters to a tropical island surrounded by razor wire for years without access to medical and mental health professionals sounds like such a fun holiday, then to be left stranded in PNG for their efforts. Silly economic refugees. Why dont they just buy a first class ticket and arrive in luxury at Kingsford Smith with all the other queue jumpers who overstay their visas.
Appalling! Manus is being closed by the end of the year. Then what. Just release them into one of the crime capitals of the world so they can continue living in fear. Dutton is an absolute joke. Any wonder people become disenfranchised and radicalised.
Wplains
04-09-17, 03:28 PM
Yeah, well, being stuck indefinitely in government-sanctioned detention centres where you are subject to abuse and conditions so horrible that doctors aren't permitted to publicly report on them isn't exactly my idea of a picnic.
I agree. But the fact is, Europe cannot possibly be expected to take in every migrant who decides to leave Africa, Asia and the ME for a better life in our small continent all expecting to be fed, clothed, housed and given free healthcare and education for themselves and their 18 extended family members. It is simply not feasible and the European taxpayer is getting sick to death of it - hence the rapid rise of parties who are promising to put a stop to it. Most European economies are not doing well - there are hundreds of thousands of unemployed young Europeans, hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of elderly who live
on or below the poverty line. Most healthcare systems are overstretched and can barely cope with the native population as it is and definitely almost every single country in Europe (with the possible exception of Germany) has massive national debt.
There are 50 countries in Europe, most with their own language, culture, food, history and customs. We are as diverse as it's possible to be and are a very multi cultural continent so I don't really see why the hell we need to import people from other continents. We are multicultural enough as it is!
Wplains
04-09-17, 03:38 PM
I didn't vote for Brexit, but there are nuanced reasons why people did vote for it which may not be understood outside the UK. Being called stupid and dumb or even racist and fascist is just useless name calling which helps nobody. This is a democracy, this is how we voted so we made our bed and now we have to lie in it. Same goes for the Americans.
I totally agree with you. The fact was if we believe in democracy we have to accept the outcome of a popular vote even if we don'tt agree with it. That's how democracy works. I've been appalled at the reaction of the media and certain establishment who are seriously undermining democracy (IMO) by suggesting the Brexit vote be ignored or Trump removed from office by any means available. Huh? When did someone decide to shut down the democratic process? Don't like Trump? Great, wait until the next elections and vote him out. That is the only we should accept he will be removed from office. Because any other way is opening up a hugely dangerous precedent.
Movie Max
04-09-17, 05:48 PM
Sweden identifies Stockholm truck attack suspect as rejected asylum-seeker from Uzbekistan
The Stockholm truck attack suspect was a rejected asylum-seeker from Uzbekistan who eluded authorities’ attempts to deport him by giving police a wrong address, Swedish police said Sunday while announcing the arrest of a second suspect.
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/sweden-identifies-stockholm-truck-attack-suspect-as-uzbekistan-native-known-to-police
No one is talking about the ISIS attacks in Egypt on Palm Sunday?
Hppy easter, barbarians.
Or more state sanctioned terrorism?
In recent years, Thai authorities have targeted many activists, human rights defenders, journalists, and other members of Thailand’s civil society as part of a systematic crackdown on government critics.
More barbarians.
https://www.amnesty.org.au/good-news-thailand-drops-case-human-rights-activists/?utm_source=FBPAGE&utm_medium=social&utm_content=20170409103000&utm_campaign=-20170409&Post_ID=854109734
And 'domestic' terrorism?
http://www.sbs.com.au/topics/life/feature/brutal-history-killing-wubanchi-asfaw
I dont like to think of what that animal will probably be served up in Long bay.
Wplains
04-09-17, 08:26 PM
Sweden identifies Stockholm truck attack suspect as rejected asylum-seeker from Uzbekistan
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/sweden-identifies-stockholm-truck-attack-suspect-as-uzbekistan-native-known-to-police
Yeah, the dangers of uncontrolled immigration and the madness of PC governments who reject asylum claims and then expect the claimants to leave the country voluntarily. Common sense has gone out the window. If this man had been detained while his claim was being assessed and then immediately deported when it was rejected, those victims killed in Stockholm would still be alive.... :(
Captain Steel
04-09-17, 10:37 PM
I'm responding here because this thread is in danger of being permanently censored.
Everyone participating on this thread may disagree with each other, but I think we'd all be united in the idea that we are free to come to this thread and argue our brains out if we so choose. If anyone didn't enjoy that freedom to debate this topic, then no one would be here.
As with all the other recent talk of various types of censorship (ignore buttons & what-have-you) it is quite easy for anyone to simply bypass any post, any member or any thread just by skipping it if it doesn't interest them or if they don't like the subject matter.
For the record, if you censor one thread for not pertaining to the site's topic, then it's only fair to remove all that aren't movie related (and even the classification of "movie-related" becomes debatable.)
I'm sure such a radical reduction would not happen and if it did, it would drive most members away. That leaves a choice - let threads stay as they are and have their popularity or failure decided by member participation or start censoring some threads and leaving others - which means the entire site will be based on someone's opinion as to what they like to talk about & what topics they personally believe are worthy enough to remain, which means this is no longer an open forum but a very limited and single-minded blog.
Wrong thread, cap. No one here is calling for it to go away, and the forum owner has never threatened to perma censor it. Yes I know the other thread is closed because it was all done and dusted, but you're late to the party, champ. No point bringing that issue in here.
Carry on.
Yoda said he's not locking it because he feels it's better than having new terrorism threads made whenever something happens. All he is going to do is take it out of the Now Playing section, and not just this but all the off-topic threads. You'll still be able to post in here it just won't show up in Now Playing.
Captain Steel
04-09-17, 10:55 PM
Wrong thread, cap. No one here is calling for it to go away, and the forum owner has never threatened to perma censor it. Yes I know the other thread is closed because it was all done and dusted, but you're late to the party, champ. No point bringing that issue in here.
Carry on.
It was clever of Rules to unify us by making a poll about the thread being closed and taking away our right to debate the issue. The way to unite opposing parties is to provide a common enemy - in this case censorship.
It was clever of Rules to unify us by making a poll about the thread being closed and taking away our right to debate the issue. The way to unite opposing parties is to provide a common enemy - in this case censorship.
Nahh. I think he was clever to start the thread to push this thread off the page. It worked for a while. I dont think he was calling for censorship but what cam said. Just remove it from the now playing list.
As much as you and I disagree in here, I think we can join hands and send thoughts to the families of the innocents who are being killed by lunatics and morons, especially at this time of year. It's really depressing.
Hugs cap, and have a safe easter.
Captain Steel
04-09-17, 11:03 PM
Nahh. I think he was clever to start the thread to push this thread off the page. It worked for a while. I dont think he was calling for censorship but what cam said. Just remove it from the now playing list.
As much as you and I disagree in here, I think we can join hands and send thoughts to the families of the innocents who are being killed by lunatics and morons, especially at this time of year. It's really depressing.
Hugs cap, and have a safe easter.
Back atcha' Dani.
(Told ya that Rules is clever - he's bringing people together already). ;)
I have no problem with the thread not appearing in the now playing list - I never look at that anyway (I click on "New Posts").
Back atcha' Dani.
(Told ya that Rules is clever - he's bringing people together already). ;)
I have no problem with the thread not appearing in the now playing list - I never look at that anyway (I click on "New Posts").
Rules was very clever.
Mate, I'm sick of the fighting. I lay down the olive branch. We've got to come together at times like this, not bicker. Hugs. I was talking to Yods about how in this place we can have different PoVs and get all steamy, but then we can go to another thread and have laugh. Lov ya, man.
Oh and by the way, most of the posts deleted from the other thread were attacking me for absolutely no reason per the thread, including the mean spirited post about me not having children, and not the first time he has done that lately. He did the same to cat. I dont have children because I had cancer and chemo face plants women into early onset menopause. Thanks ash. Your verbal terrorism is noted.
See? terrorism comes in many guises.
Wplains
04-10-17, 04:06 AM
It was clever of Rules to unify us by making a poll about the thread being closed and taking away our right to debate the issue. The way to unite opposing parties is to provide a common enemy - in this case censorship.
I'm kind of bewildered here, who tried to censor what? What poll? And who is Rules?
Sorry, no idea what you are referring to Captain, did I miss something? :D
Wplains
04-10-17, 07:04 AM
PS- I am wondering why this thread is deemed unworthy of being on the Now Playing section but the Donald Trump thread is not? People seem to be fighting there much worse than here. I must be missing the logic of that...
You know......I did vote on Citizens thread to do away with this one, but the problem with this thread is really just the title. Its like a question being asked, and years later the sucker keeps getting bumped like there never has been an answer. I say just change the title to Current Terrorist Attack, and be done with it.
Wplains
04-10-17, 10:20 AM
You know......I did vote on Citizens thread to do away with this one, but the problem with this thread is really just the title. Its like a question being asked, and years later the sucker keeps getting bumped like there never has been an answer. I say just change the title to Current Terrorist Attack, and be done with it.
Don't really understand why the title would bother anyone but to each his own. I'd say if you don't like it just ignore it.
:confusedwhite:
I don't care that it's not on the 'now playing' section but I do struggle to see why.
I like the thread and although there are some points of view that I find odd, I would prefer it to be in the now playing section. People need to learn to disagree well, and if you are prepared to state your opinion on an internet forum about terrorism, films, biscuits, why dogs are better than cats or anything else then you should be prepared to have somebody that disagrees with you are asks that you qualify your views.
I enjoy reading the different opinions on the thread, whether I agree with them or not, I value each equally.
I think the argument for it is that, when it's going rapid fire, it dominates that section. It's not just a political objection: we had the same thing come up with the Ongoing Tournaments and Brackets sub-forum.
Anyway, as discussed, I've removed all Intermission threads (not just this one) from Now Playing. Still plenty easy to find for people who want it, but those who just want movies and not the political/controversial stuff can more easily ignore it, too. Hope this makes for a suitable compromise.
Captain Steel
04-10-17, 11:56 AM
I think the argument for it is that, when it's going rapid fire, it dominates that section. It's not just a political objection: we had the same thing come up with the Ongoing Tournaments and Brackets sub-forum.
Anyway, as discussed, I've removed all Intermission threads (not just this one) from Now Playing. Still plenty easy to find for people who want it, but those who just want movies and not the political/controversial stuff can more easily ignore it, too. Hope this makes for a suitable compromise.
The compromise is fine. And I don't mind Tongo's suggestion either as the title suggests a site action be done (which it appears has been decided won't be done, i.e. making it "sticky") and it is a long title & somewhat unwieldy. Perhaps consult with ashdoc (the thread OP) on altering the title.
My 2 cents. Thanks.
Yeah, I think I'll edit the thread title, too, since it contains a mod request and that's kind of unnecessary at this point. :laugh:
Movie Max
04-10-17, 12:29 PM
Still plenty easy to find for people who want it, but those who just want movies and not the political/controversial stuff can more easily ignore it, too. Hope this makes for a suitable compromise.
Can you make it so that some people who found it forget they found it?:D
Wplains
04-10-17, 01:30 PM
I think the argument for it is that, when it's going rapid fire, it dominates that section. It's not just a political objection: we had the same thing come up with the Ongoing Tournaments and Brackets sub-forum.
Anyway, as discussed, I've removed all Intermission threads (not just this one) from Now Playing. Still plenty easy to find for people who want it, but those who just want movies and not the political/controversial stuff can more easily ignore it, too. Hope this makes for a suitable compromise.
That's fine with me. I asked about the Trump thread because it was still there this mornign (my time zone) though it seemed to me this one had been removed.
I also agree people need to stop having kittens because someone disagrees with them. It doesn't mean people hate each other just that they have different opinions which should be fine with everyone. And we should also try not to call each other fascist or idiots because of differing viewpoints. Far too much of that going around as it is what with Universities cancelling talks because the snowflakes feel "threatened" or just plain don't like the speaker. Frightening!
Can you make it so that some people who found it forget they found it?
Arghh, you know what I wish I could forget I found? A couple of Russian videos about an homunculus on a thread entitled "The everything paranormal/unexplained/bizarre/mysterious" thread. Jeez, my stomach is still trying to recover from that one, yechh......:sick:
For a minute when i saw the name of this thread i thought Yoda had closed it and this was a new one that was immediately started after it :laugh:
gandalf26
04-10-17, 08:30 PM
Can you make it so that some people who found it forget they found it?:D
Eternal Sunshine of the Liberal Mind.
Captain Steel
04-10-17, 10:01 PM
For a minute when i saw the name of this thread i thought Yoda had closed it and this was a new one that was immediately started after it :laugh:
Ha-ha! Yes, and that would have been me, no doubt!
Yeah, I think I'll edit the thread title, too, since it contains a mod request and that's kind of unnecessary at this point. :laugh:
Han Solo aproves this decision.
http://screencrush.com/442/files/2013/03/Hansoloprofilethumb.jpg?w=630&cdnnode=1
SeeingisBelieving
04-11-17, 10:06 AM
Yeah, I think I'll edit the thread title, too, since it contains a mod request and that's kind of unnecessary at this point. :laugh:
I think that's sound reasoning :).
gandalf26
04-11-17, 03:28 PM
Breaking: Borussia Dortmund team bus hit by an explosion en route to Champions League game. One player injured, not many details yet.
Movie Max
04-11-17, 03:50 PM
Those Australian and Greek camps are looking more and more logical by the day. They truly have no idea what they're welcoming with the open door policy.
France migrants: Huge fire guts Grande-Synthe Dunkirk camp
A camp housing 1,500 migrants in northern France has been destroyed in a fire that officials said began during a fight between Afghans and Kurds.
The arrival of more Afghans increased tensions with Kurds living in the camp, AFP news agency reports, citing witnesses and officials.
There have been several violent incidents at the Grande-Synthe camp, which was built by the charity MSF (Doctors Without Borders) and opened in March 2016.
Six people were left injured with knife wounds after the fight that started the blaze.
Police intervened last month after five men were injured in a fight, and another man was stabbed in November, AFP reported.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39562742
ScarletLion
04-11-17, 03:56 PM
Breaking: Borussia Dortmund team bus hit by an explosion en route to Champions League game. One player injured, not many details yet.
3 explosions.
Movie Max
04-11-17, 03:59 PM
Bus damaged in 2 places, match called off.
Wplains
04-11-17, 05:18 PM
Those Australian and Greek camps are looking more and more logical by the day. They truly have no idea what they're welcoming with the open door policy.
France migrants: Huge fire guts Grande-Synthe Dunkirk camp
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39562742
Unbelievable, the migrants from one country fought migrants from another and then they set fire to the camp. This is what we are importing to Europe: centuries old feuds by people who don't set much value on human life. I'd shut down all the camps and just deport them all.
And now bombs in the football team bus. Not sure what that is all about yet but I doubt it's a random accident.
Movie Max
04-11-17, 05:56 PM
A hand injury shouldn't affect his career.
LIVE: Police believe explosions near Dortmund bus were 'an attack'
Dortmund chief executive Hans-Joachim Watzke said Marc Bartra, 26, suffered a hand injury and was being treated in hospital.
https://www.thelocal.de/20170411/breaking-three-explosions-near-dortmund-football-team-bus
This is what we are importing to Europe: centuries old feuds by people who don't set much value on human life. .
Que?
Wplains
04-11-17, 08:50 PM
A hand injury shouldn't affect his career.
LIVE: Police believe explosions near Dortmund bus were 'an attack'
https://www.thelocal.de/20170411/breaking-three-explosions-near-dortmund-football-team-bus
Seems like we are now up to an attack a day....:rolleyes:
Captain Steel
04-11-17, 11:27 PM
Unbelievable, the migrants from one country fought migrants from another and then they set fire to the camp. This is what we are importing to Europe: centuries old feuds by people who don't set much value on human life. I'd shut down all the camps and just deport them all.
And now bombs in the football team bus. Not sure what that is all about yet but I doubt it's a random accident.
I hate to be a "religion-ist," but it seems most religions come around after a few hundred years and stop acting like temper-tantrum toddlers. You really don't hear much of sectarian violence among other religions nowadays (you only hear about Islam attacking every other religion, including fellow Muslims.)
And now, as we move even further into the age of science and technology, other religions seem to keep up somehow, being able to progress intellectually and emotionally with the reality that science reveals, maturing with ever increasing tolerance for other beliefs & lifestyles.
I know Islam is a relatively young religion compared to others, but heck, it's 2017 - there are a whole lot of younger and even "New Age" religions that are getting along peacefully with everybody else, so "youth" as a religion is no excuse.
Islam has had 1400 years to catch up, they are a religion existing with the same science as others. I don't need to repeat the many reasons why Islam can't grow up (as I've outlined in upteen past posts), but here's an interesting article on the subject:
https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2016/08/01/how-muslims-justify-killing-other-muslims/
I had to be a "religion-ist," but it seems most religions come around after a few hundred years and stop acting like temper-tantrum toddlers. You really don't hear much of sectarian violence among other religions nowadays (you only hear about Islam attacking every other religion, including fellow Muslims.)
And now, as we move even further into the age of science and technology, other religions seem to keep up somehow, being able to progress intellectually and emotionally with the reality that science reveals, maturing with ever increasing tolerance for other beliefs & lifestyles.
I know Islam is a relatively young religion compared to others, but heck, it's 2017 - there are a whole lot of younger and even "New Age" religions that are getting along peacefully with everybody else, so "youth" as a religion is no excuse.
Islam has had 1400 years to catch up, they are a religion existing with the same science as others. I don't need to repeat the many reasons why Islam can't grow up (as I've outlined in upteen past posts), but here's an interesting article on the subject:
https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2016/08/01/how-muslims-justify-killing-other-muslims/
Eh? She made a comment about centuries old conflict in relation to what happened at the camp. The centuries old conflict involving Kurds was with the Ottoman Empire. Nothing to do with what happened in the camp. That was about Kurds pushing newly arrived Afghans into the kitchens to live, then tempers flared during a football match when someone got hit in the face with a football. This has got nothing to do with religion but disenfranchised people living in a shtty environment fter escaping a shtty environment. Why is this so hard to understand? Maybe all soccer thugs causing riots should just be deported as well. Freaking home grown spree killers with guns as well Good grief.
Captain Steel
04-12-17, 12:13 AM
Eh? She made a comment about centuries old conflict in relation to what happened at the camp. The centuries old conflict involving Kurds was with the Ottoman Empire. Nothing to do with what happened in the camp. That was about Kurds pushing newly arrived Afghans into the kitchens to live, then tempers flared during a football match when someone got hit in the face with a football. This has got nothing to do with religion but disenfranchised people living in a shtty environment fter escaping a shtty environment. Why is this so hard to understand? Maybe all soccer thugs causing riots should just be deported as well. Freaking home grown spree killers with guns as well Good grief.
I was speaking more in general about Muslim on Muslim violence and the fact that for 1400 years, Islam has never gotten along with its neighbors for long (whatever religion they may be) and that the sectarian violence within Islam has been part of it from the beginning.
Read the article (I know the format is awful with the ads every few paragraphs, but if you can get past that...)
As always, it is inherently an ideology that literally worships violence and bases it's continuance on the next thing to be offended by and retaliate against. Muhammad set it up that way (it's in the Koran which is abrogated so that more and more things become offensive and more and more people must be declared as enemies). Thus it's no surprise that Islam has always been and continues to be a religion of intolerance and violence.
As Ayaan Hirsi Ali said, "Islam NEEDS enemies" - unlike other religions, Islam literally singles out and continually creates enemies as part of its vicious cycle of illogical zealotry (which ends up being everybody except those who think exactly like you - even if they belong to a different sect of the same ideology.) Without enemies, Islam as an ideology would cease to exist as it's only purpose is to punish others for not submitting or believing.
I was speaking more in general about Muslim on Muslim violence and the fact that for 1400 years, Islam has never gotten along with its neighbors for long (whatever religion they may be) and that the sectarian violence within Islam has been part of it from the beginning.
Yet I get continually assaulted on here by living next door to an Iranian couple who happen to be AUSTRALIAN and that's OK? Oh by the way, the husband is the administrator for the Seventh Day Adventist hospital I go to. I dont see anyone in my city complaining about him because of where he was born! Yet in this thread it's rampant. Bloody disgusting.
Yet I get continually assaulted on here by living next door to an Iranian couple who happen to be AUSTRALIAN and that's OK? Oh by the way, the husband is the administrator for the Seventh Day Adventist hospital I go to. I dont see anyone in my city complaining about him because of where he was born! Yet in this thread it's rampant. Bloody disgusting.
Wait till their number grows and they will start demanding islamisation .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_QMgMY22sQ
This thread is so polluted by fear and misinformation it needs a little joy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHwtxCJ4iwo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_QMgMY22sQ
Nice to see some Afghan girls unveiled . They are good looking aren't they ? Unfortunately most Afghan women are trapped inside the veil courtesy the barbaric Taliban.
gandalf26
04-12-17, 05:32 AM
Yet I get continually assaulted on here by living next door to an Iranian couple who happen to be AUSTRALIAN and that's OK? Oh by the way, the husband is the administrator for the Seventh Day Adventist hospital I go to. I dont see anyone in my city complaining about him because of where he was born! Yet in this thread it's rampant. Bloody disgusting.
You might be trolling now.
Can you link quotes from other members that prove the above?
No one is "Assaulting" you for living next to Muslims, they have criticised you for basing your entire opinion on Muslims based on your neighbours.
I don't think anyone has complained about your neighbours because of where they were born. I even said that Iran is a somewhat more enlightened country compared to many in the region.
We need to import doctors from all over the world. I don't think anyone would say otherwise.
[QUOTE=gandalf26;1686478] they have criticised you for basing your entire opinion on Muslims based on your neighbours./QUOTE]
When did that happen? My opinion of PEOPLE is certainly not just based on people who live next door. Keep thinking that, though. It's pretty ignorant.
Calling me a troll is also pretty gobsmacking, but no surprises, gandalf.
You might be trolling now.
Can you link quotes from other members that prove the above?
No one is "Assaulting" you for living next to Muslims, they have criticised you for basing your entire opinion on Muslims based on your neighbours.
I don't think anyone has complained about your neighbours because of where they were born. I even said that Iran is a somewhat more enlightened country compared to many in the region.
We need to import doctors from all over the world. I don't think anyone would say otherwise.
Yet others base their entire opinion on Muslims on the actions of Islamic fundamentalists.
No doubt some of the terrorists will be convinced that their actions are what their god wants them to do.
Others though are no more convinced than I am that god wants them to kill people.
My own dealings with Muslim people have been mixed as have my dealings with Christians, Jews, Atheists, Agnostics etc.
I would consider myself to be a Christian, but throughout history, many people have been killed, tortured, raped etc in the name of Christianity, I however, have never once felt compelled to do the same because of my faith or what the Bible says.
I feel that if I was so inclined I could take verses in the Bible and use them to justify such things, see Westboro Baptist church.
Religion is not to blame for any of this. Mankind is the common denominator in every war, act of terrorism, rape, murder etc throughout history.
Although not comparable, the principal is the same. I have been all over the world watching football and have seen grown men fighting, punching, kicking, throwing bricks, carrying knives, bottles bats etc and causing violence and people have been seriously injured and even killed.
I have never once felt compelled to blame the sport of football for this.
gandalf26
04-12-17, 07:52 AM
Yet others base their entire opinion on Muslims on the actions of Islamic fundamentalists.
I don't think that's true for the vast majority of reasonable people.
But as you say Yes a small minority base their entire opinion around that.
gandalf26
04-12-17, 08:00 AM
No doubt some of the terrorists will be convinced that their actions are what their god wants them to do.
Others though are no more convinced than I am that god wants them to kill people.
My own dealings with Muslim people have been mixed as have my dealings with Christians, Jews, Atheists, Agnostics etc.
I would consider myself to be a Christian, but throughout history, many people have been killed, tortured, raped etc in the name of Christianity, I however, have never once felt compelled to do the same because of my faith or what the Bible says.
I feel that if I was so inclined I could take verses in the Bible and use them to justify such things, see Westboro Baptist church.
Religion is not to blame for any of this. Mankind is the common denominator in every war, act of terrorism, rape, murder etc throughout history.
Although not comparable, the principal is the same. I have been all over the world watching football and have seen grown men fighting, punching, kicking, throwing bricks, carrying knives, bottles bats etc and causing violence and people have been seriously injured and even killed.
I have never once felt compelled to blame the sport of football for this.
We in the west have evolved and become civilised and are starting to turn our backs on Religion, but Muslims who follow Islam are like we were hundreds of years ago, stuck in a barbaric mindset that has no place in the modern world hence why I personally do not want immigration from the middle east until they "grow up" if you like.
Religion is absolutely to blame for the weekly occurrence of terrorism in Europe at the moment, Religion and being 100's of years behind in terms of civilisation/enlightenment etc. Other factors too of course like our own failed recent wars resulting in possibly millions dead and displaced, and entire counties destabilised.
We in the west have evolved and become civilised and are starting to turn our backs on Religion, but Muslims who follow Islam are like we were hundreds of years ago, stuck in a barbaric mindset that has no place in the modern world hence why I personally do not want immigration from the middle east until they "grow up" if you like.
Religion is absolutely to blame for the weekly occurrence of terrorism in Europe at the moment, Religion and being 100's of years behind in terms of civilisation/enlightenment etc. Other factors too of course like our own failed recent wars resulting in possibly millions dead and displaced, and entire counties destabilised.
This is where we disagree. Millions of Muslims, Christians etc can 'practice' their religion/faith and not kill people. Others feel as though that fulfils it. People are the problem and we can't just do away with all of the people.
Would you stop German people from coming into your country because of what the Nazi party did?
No. Because it is possible to be a German without being a Nazi, as it is possible to be a Muslim without being a terrorist.
I would deport all hate preachers, would not entertain any suggestion of Sharia law in the UK.
A difficulty is that there are genuinely people that are fleeing their countries through fear of their lives. There are genuine refugees. Others are seeking to utilise this to their advantage as a way into Europe with the intent to do harm.
How do you discern between the two effectively?
My faith and beliefs will not let me ignore people who are suffering, simply because they happen to be born in a different country to me.
Movie Max
04-12-17, 08:17 AM
Yet others base their entire opinion on Muslims on the actions of Islamic fundamentalists.
Others still, make a huge deal out of every post in this thread, pretending these posts apply to all muslims, always. Go figure.:shrug:
I have never once felt compelled to blame the sport of football for this.
Hooligans are frequently profiled, identified by country and banned from visiting other countries based on their reputation. I expect the same to apply to any group of monsters, especially while trying to prevent murder against soft targets.
Picking out those least likely to create problems and not allowing entry to those who display mental issues, hatred, intolerance, inflexibility, negative attitude towards women, ridiculous demands, etc. is part of a responsible immigration policy. I've seen it done many times in multicultural countries. Those countries that are selective and have not overwhelmed their resources, seem to have the least amount of problems.
Others still, make a huge deal out of every post in this thread, pretending these posts apply to all muslims, always. Go figure.:shrug:
Hooligans are frequently profiled, identified by country and banned from visiting other countries based on their reputation. I expect the same to apply to any group of monsters, especially while trying to prevent murder against soft targets.
Picking out those least likely to create problems and not allowing entry to those who display mental issues, hatred, intolerance, inflexibility, negative attitude towards women, ridiculous demands, etc. is part of a responsible immigration policy. I've seen it done many times in multicultural countries. Those countries that are selective and have not overwhelmed their resources, seem to have the least amount of problems.
Good post :up:
Movie Max
04-12-17, 08:23 AM
Thanks ash. Your verbal terrorism is noted.
See? terrorism comes in many guises.
Verbal terrorism? In that case, I'd like to include your many thread hijackings and spam-like post count in that category. Only fair.:yup:
Wplains
04-12-17, 08:51 AM
I hate to be a "religion-ist," but it seems most religions come around after a few hundred years and stop acting like temper-tantrum toddlers. You really don't hear much of sectarian violence among other religions nowadays (you only hear about Islam attacking every other religion, including fellow Muslims.)
And now, as we move even further into the age of science and technology, other religions seem to keep up somehow, being able to progress intellectually and emotionally with the reality that science reveals, maturing with ever increasing tolerance for other beliefs & lifestyles.
I know Islam is a relatively young religion compared to others, but heck, it's 2017 - there are a whole lot of younger and even "New Age" religions that are getting along peacefully with everybody else, so "youth" as a religion is no excuse.
Islam has had 1400 years to catch up, they are a religion existing with the same science as others. I don't need to repeat the many reasons why Islam can't grow up (as I've outlined in upteen past posts), but here's an interesting article on the subject:
https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2016/08/01/how-muslims-justify-killing-other-muslims/
I totally agree with you. No other religion seems to have a problem integrating in the West No problems with Hindus or Buddists or Taoists or whatever. Only one religion ever causes problems and demands special treatment. Ever heard of any other religion killing people over cartoons? Funny how anything that makes fun of Islam is now considered "racist" or "Islamophobia" or whatever other ridiculous term they invent. During one of the Pope's visits to the UK, I remember seeing a cartoon of him in the press with a condom hanging off his nose. But, since he's only a Catholic there is no problem with that, no one considered it "racist" or "Catholicphobic" - they only all had a good laugh. I will never understand why the Left and the radical women's movement is so defensive of Islam - an ideology which would make them the first to be slaughtered if they ever managed to gain the upper hand.
Wplains
04-12-17, 08:59 AM
I was speaking more in general about Muslim on Muslim violence and the fact that for 1400 years, Islam has never gotten along with its neighbors for long (whatever religion they may be) and that the sectarian violence within Islam has been part of it from the beginning.
As obviously, was I. People from these countries are used to using violence to settle every little dispute. There have been hundreds of reports of migrants setting fire to their shelters in Germany, in Sweden, in France, etc. because they don't like someting about it or they got involved in disputes with other migrants who come from countries - or are of a sect - they hate. I don't know (and I don't care) what the dispure in the migrant camp was about - all I know is that they set fire to something which cost money and effort to set up and they destroyed it mindlessly. No doubt they will now demand someone else pay for their new accomodation and will again set themselves up as poor little victims who cannot possibly be held responsible for their own actions.
dortmund is terror attack . suspects from 'islamist spectrum'---
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/12/europe/dortmund-explosion-germany/index.html
Captain Steel
04-12-17, 11:54 AM
This is where we disagree. Millions of Muslims, Christians etc can 'practice' their religion/faith and not kill people. Others feel as though that fulfils it. People are the problem and we can't just do away with all of the people.
Would you stop German people from coming into your country because of what the Nazi party did?
No. Because it is possible to be a German without being a Nazi, as it is possible to be a Muslim without being a terrorist.
I would deport all hate preachers, would not entertain any suggestion of Sharia law in the UK.
A difficulty is that there are genuinely people that are fleeing their countries through fear of their lives. There are genuine refugees. Others are seeking to utilise this to their advantage as a way into Europe with the intent to do harm.
How do you discern between the two effectively?
My faith and beliefs will not let me ignore people who are suffering, simply because they happen to be born in a different country to me.
Sarge, you seem to have a very balanced approach.
You defined the problem succinctly: How do you discern between the two effectively?
And that question can apply to a lot of areas not just refugees;
Like... how do you discern from peaceful Muslims and the covert jihadist, or a young man from a moderate Muslim family with a good education who suddenly becomes triggered to be a terrorist, or terrorist cells lying in wait for a command, or the head of the family who publicly extols freedom and democracy while funnelling money overseas to fund Wahhabist organizations of Islamic terrorism, or the hard-working, devoted dad who suddenly "honor kills" his daughters in the name of Islam for being "too western," or Mosques that seem progressive, but then preach extremism to inspire young jihadists behind closed doors?
And all of these can be existing within the greater moderate Muslim community and appearing as perfectly passive parts of that community.
This may sound like James Bond stuff, but each scenario is based on multiple, real occurrences.
I don't have an answer to the question, but I do know that political correctness, appeasement, denial, or just ignoring that these problems exist is no way to start.
On the refugees, it would be one thing if the concern was based only on wild theories of "Islamophobes," but on this we have the word of ISIS themselves that their intention is to use the refugees as a Trojan Horse. And it's not just word, but deed, as that mission has been carried out multiple times in Europe already.
Wplains
04-12-17, 12:21 PM
dortmund is terror attack . suspects from 'islamist spectrum'---
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/12/europe/dortmund-explosion-germany/index.html
I never really expected it to be anything else. Sadly, it's become the norm....
On the refugees, it would be one thing if the concern was based only on wild theories of "Islamophobes," but on this we have the word of ISIS themselves that their intention is to use the refugees as a Trojan Horse. And it's not just word, but deed, as that mission has been carried out multiple times in Europe already.
Which is why we absolutely need to stop letting in every person who claims to be a refugee. Sweden and Germany have already said that the madness we saw in 2015 of nearly a million men (yes men, not women and children) tramping through Europe like a conquering army on their way to the wealthy countries of the north expecting to be supported by them will never happen again. We must have a system in in place where each and every claimant is checked and identified and seen to be telling the truth about being a refugee. And if that takes a long time, tough that's life. I'm sure the wait in a camp in a Western country will be infinitely preferable to their hellholes of a country in which they themselves claim is impossible to live (though curiously, most left their most vulnerable member behind mainly their women, children and elderly).
Another things which is not addressed is that every single person who is in the migrant camp in the North of France is illegally trying to enter the U.K. which basically makes them criminals. They are already in a safe country; they can already claim asylum in a wealthy, civilized country. But that, apparently is not enoug for them, as they demand the right to enter the U.K. regardless of whether the Brits want them or not and regardless of any laws they might be breaking. And that get them absolutely no sympathy from me at all.
Verbal terrorism? In that case, I'd like to include your many thread hijackings and spam-like post count in that category. Only fair.:yup:
How surprising you're still contributing nothing to the thread except to follow my posts all because I refuse to make assumptions and generalisations about people based on what faith they may or may not have, or have an instant knee jerk reaction to breaking news before facts come to light.
Ever hear about pots and kettles?
Sarge, you seem to have a very balanced approach.
You defined the problem succinctly: How do you discern between the two effectively?
And that question can apply to a lot of areas not just refugees;
Like... how do you discern from peaceful Muslims and the covert jihadist, or a young man from a moderate Muslim family with a good education who suddenly becomes triggered to be a terrorist, or terrorist cells lying in wait for a command, or the head of the family who publicly extols freedom and democracy while funnelling money overseas to fund Wahhabist organizations of Islamic terrorism, or the hard-working, devoted dad who suddenly "honor kills" his daughters in the name of Islam for being "too western," or Mosques that seem progressive, but then preach extremism to inspire young jihadists behind closed doors?
And all of these can be existing within the greater moderate Muslim community and appearing as perfectly passive parts of that community.
This may sound like James Bond stuff, but each scenario is based on multiple, real occurrences.
I don't have an answer to the question, but I do know that political correctness, appeasement, denial, or just ignoring that these problems exist is no way to start.
On the refugees, it would be one thing if the concern was based only on wild theories of "Islamophobes," but on this we have the word of ISIS themselves that their intention is to use the refugees as a Trojan Horse. And it's not just word, but deed, as that mission has been carried out multiple times in Europe already.
I try. I make my own mind up about things and try not to be too influenced by the opinions of others, the media etc.
I also always try to see the viewpoints of others and empathise with the people holding them.
Captain Steel
04-12-17, 03:21 PM
I never really expected it to be anything else. Sadly, it's become the norm....
Which is why we absolutely need to stop letting in every person who claims to be a refugee. Sweden and Germany have already said that the madness we saw in 2015 of nearly a million men (yes men, not women and children) tramping through Europe like a conquering army on their way to the wealthy countries of the north expecting to be supported by them will never happen again. We must have a system in in place where each and every claimant is checked and identified and seen to be telling the truth about being a refugee. And if that takes a long time, tough that's life. I'm sure the wait in a camp in a Western country will be infinitely preferable to their hellholes of a country in which they themselves claim is impossible to live (though curiously, most left their most vulnerable member behind mainly their women, children and elderly).
Another things which is not addressed is that every single person who is in the migrant camp in the North of France is illegally trying to enter the U.K. which basically makes them criminals. They are already in a safe country; they can already claim asylum in a wealthy, civilized country. But that, apparently is not enoug for them, as they demand the right to enter the U.K. regardless of whether the Brits want them or not and regardless of any laws they might be breaking. And that get them absolutely no sympathy from me at all.
And also - a point I've made before - a refugee doesn't have to be an ISIS operative to become a terrorist once they find themselves in a western country. Syria is a fundamentalist Islamic nation that hates the US and the west. Citizens are taught this hatred from birth by their families, by their government, in their mosques and in their schools. It's part of the Syrian culture.
A refugee from Syria could conceivably find sanctuary for his family in the US, but then begin to observe the equality of women, the freedoms of expression, the tolerance for other religions, not to mention our qualities of sexual permissiveness, exploitation, open consumption of pork and alcohol, commercialism & acceptance for alternate lifestyles. Simply observing these things could make any fundamentalist-indoctrinated Muslim remember their lifelong religious training that it is their holy duty commanded by Muhammad in the Koran to eliminate the infidels that practice, promote or engage in these "forbidden" behaviors.
We have American-born Muslims who are wealthy, educated and enjoying the freedoms of the U.S. who suddenly get inspired to go on jihadist killing sprees for Islam. So, how much more likely is such a reaction from among thousands of immigrants who've been indoctrinated in fundamentalist / extremist Islam and conditioned to hate America, the west, all Christians, Jews and other religions?
Wplains
04-12-17, 08:41 PM
And also - a point I've made before - a refugee doesn't have to be an ISIS operative to become a terrorist once they find themselves in a western country. Syria is a fundamentalist Islamic nation that hates the US and the west. Citizens are taught this hatred from birth by their families, by their government, in their mosques and in their schools. It's part of the Syrian culture.
A refugee from Syria could conceivably find sanctuary for his family in the US, but then begin to observe the equality of women, the freedoms of expression, the tolerance for other religions, not to mention our qualities of sexual permissiveness, exploitation, open consumption of pork and alcohol, commercialism & acceptance for alternate lifestyles. Simply observing these things could make any fundamentalist-indoctrinated Muslim remember their lifelong religious training that it is their holy duty commanded by
Muhammad in the Koran to eliminate the infidels that practice, promote or engage in these
"forbidden" behaviors.
We have American-born Muslims who are wealthy, educated and enjoying the freedoms of the U.S. who suddenly get inspired to go on jihadist killing sprees for Islam. So, how much more likely is such a reaction from among thousands of immigrants who've been indoctrinated in fundamentalist / extremist Islam and conditioned to hate America, the west, all Christians, Jews and other religions?
Also, more than half of the so-called "moderate" Muslims in the U.K. do not approve of gay rights or of gay marriage. What does that tell you? I've seen videos of Muslim women totally educated and brought up in Germany who still believe their close male relatives have a right to regulate their lives in every aspect and phase of it. What does that tell you?
As this lady says, "the peaceful majority are irrelevant" in the face of extremism:
https://youtu.be/YnOF7y-KuHE
Also, more than half of the so-called "moderate" Muslims in the U.K. do not approve of gay rights or of gay marriage.
Can i see your sources for this please?
I'm from the UK, Scotland-Glasgow, don't think it matters but you guys seem to be trying to one up each other. Whatever.
Also, more than half of the so-called "moderate" Muslims in the U.K. do not approve of gay rights or of gay marriage.
Can i see your sources for this please?
I'm from the UK, Scotland-Glasgow, don't think it matters but you guys seem to be trying to one up each other. Whatever.
A lot of Christians and other denom8nations don't approve of gay marriage either so not sure what she's getting at.
Captain Steel
04-12-17, 11:21 PM
C'mon, maybe earlier but i don't think they've been unreasonable in the last few posts; you haven't either you've been offering Captain advice. If i've misunderstood, and both of you have been awful to each other then that's why.
Basically neither of you have been generous enough to the other for me to be impressed. The tooth fairy doesn't even ask for you to allow your teeth to fall out as far as i'm aware. Pretty sure MoFo isn't Utopic yet so i'm probably out too early.
I'm afraid I don't understand this post.
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I'm afraid I don't understand this post.
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Sorry, i'll delete it. I was summoned here for some reason and i decided to not take any side and instead make an unrelated post that would maybe... whatever, didn't work.
Captain Steel
04-12-17, 11:39 PM
A lot of Christians and other denom8nations don't approve of gay marriage either so not sure what she's getting at.
What I think Wplains was getting at is how homosexuality is not only viewed but treated in modern Islam.
There's no denying that gays have been mistreated, discriminated against and even killed by various religions throughout history, but Islam demands death for homosexuals in its teachings and in many Muslim-dominated countries right now.
In Iran, homosexuals are summarily executed as a matter of Islamic Law. This is government sanctioned murder, not for any crime, but over a person's private orientation. And several other Islamic nations practice severe punishments for people simply accused of being homosexual, including imprisonment, torture, castration, dismemberment and death.
Islamic Fundamentalist groups torture and murder gays as a way to adhere to their religion. The Islamic State (among others) has taken to dismembering gays and throwing them to their deaths from buildings.
As with so many other atrocities and violence against innocent others, killing gays is yet another basic tradition of Islamic teaching & law.
Under no other religion in current times is the murder of gays advocated or condoned.
No western, secular or democratic nations practice such heinous actions against gays as a matter of law, only nations that are controlled by Islamic Law.
Captain Steel
04-12-17, 11:40 PM
Sorry, i'll delete it. I was summoned here for some reason and i decided to not take any side and instead make an unrelated post that would maybe... whatever, didn't work.
You don't have to delete, I just couldn't understand who, specifically, you were referring to or what exactly you were trying to say.
I've know Wp for several years on social media. I know exactly her stance on refos in her own NIMBY country and people who do not accept gay marriage. Drawing a long bow here asking 'what does that say about them'. This is getting ridiculous.
Captain Steel
04-12-17, 11:48 PM
I've know Wp for several years on social media. I know exactly her stance on refos in her own NIMBY country and people who do not accept gay marriage. Drawing a long bow here asking 'what does that say about them'. This is getting ridiculous.
I don't know anything about Wp.
But not accepting gay marriage is a far cry from state-sanctioned murders of people over their orientation - all based on a genocidal ideology that calls itself a religion of peace.
This got ridiculous when Saudi Arabia wasn't immediately annexed after 9/11. ;)
Wplains
04-13-17, 06:21 AM
Can i see your sources for this please?
Half of all British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal, poll finds
Extensive polling conducted by ICM suggests that in most cases attitudes held by the British Muslim population do not broadly differ from those held by the population at large, but there are significant differences when it comes to some issues such as homosexuality and women’s rights.
Trevor Phillips, the former head of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, said the findings were “extremely worrying” as they suggested on many issues Muslims were “nation within a nation”.
He called for a more “muscular approach” to integration.
Illegal, they think it should be illegal, they don,t think it's just immoral. Illegal means against the law. It means they think people should be prosecuted for being gay.... What does that tell you?
Almost half (47%) said they did not agree that it was acceptable for a gay person to become a teacher, compared with 14% of the general population.
Half? Wow....
Nearly a quarter (23%) supported the introduction of sharia law in some areas of Britain, and 39% agreed that “wives should always obey their husbands”, compared with 5% of the country as a whole.
This in modern Britain.
Two-thirds (66%) said they completely condemned people who took part in stoning adulterers, and a further 13% condemned them to some extent.
Well, thank heavens for small mercies.... ;)
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law
I'm from the UK, Scotland-Glasgow,
Yes, so?
don't think it matters but you guys seem to be trying to one up each other. Whatever.
If it doesn't matter, why are you mentioning it, then? :shrug:
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/11/europe/britain-muslims-survey/index.html
I won't bother highlighting the CNN article as regards anti-semitism, read it for yourself and draw your own conclusions.
Wplains
04-13-17, 06:32 AM
I don't know anything about Wp.
But not accepting gay marriage is a far cry from state-sanctioned murders of people over their orientation - all based on a genocidal ideology that calls itself a religion of peace.
This got ridiculous when Saudi Arabia wasn't immediately annexed after 9/11. ;)
Gay marriage is legal in my (very conservative, Catholic country) and has been for several years. For what it's worth, there was a national referendum on the subject and both my husband and I very much voted for legalization. I don't see why gay people shouldn't have the right to marry just because they choose someone of the same gender. Love is love in my book. And for people who say homosexuality isn't normal I very much disagree. Yeah, it's normal since about 10% of the population is estimated to be gay at any one time. It's just not the majority, that's all.
What I think Wplains was getting at is how homosexuality is not only viewed but treated in modern Islam.
Thanks, of course that was exactly it. Add to modern Islam the fact that the poll I posted is about the supposedly enlightened British Muslim population some of which have been there for two generations. The fact that they still hold these views after so many years is truly worrisome (not to say frightening).
Anyway, as discussed, I've removed all Intermission threads (not just this one) from Now Playing. Still plenty easy to find for people who want it, but those who just want movies and not the political/controversial stuff can more easily ignore it, too. Hope this makes for a suitable compromise.
https://media2.giphy.com/media/JUEKek7t2bqYE/200_s.gif
I absolutely miss the miscellaneous threads not being in the Now Playing section. Makes miscellaneous posting seem unimportant, and it shouldnt be as it shows a members interests outside of tv & movies.
Movie Max
04-14-17, 10:02 PM
This should give you a good idea of who is currently trying to leave the US and what kind of numbers we are seeing at just one border crossing.
This is from a Liberal, government sponsored, mainstream news source. The illegal migration north is ongoing. If the CBC and the CBSA can't be trusted to honestly admit such facts, no one can.
Border services officer assaulted by asylum seeker who was detained for criminal past
Nearly half of the asylum seekers crossing the Manitoba border illegally in the last few weeks are being detained because of serious criminal records, suggesting the profile of would-be refugee claimants is changing, according to the union representing border patrol officers.The RCMP confirms a 37-year-old man had illegally crossed the border at about 1 a.m. on Apr. 8. He was apprehended by RCMP officers before being searched, identified and screened. The man was taken to file his refugee claim at the CBSA office at Emerson.
As he was being sent to a cell, he threatened to harm CBSA officers, then physically assaulted one of them. He also damaged the fire sprinkler inside his cell.
Ahmed Aden Ali, from Minneapolis, was charged with two counts of Uttering Threats, Mischief Over $5,000 and Assault Peace Officer. He is being held in custody.http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/illegal-border-crossers-criminal-records-cbsa-union-1.4069820
The Number Of Migrants Walking Across the Border In Emerson Continues to Rise
The number of asylum seekers or migrants walking across the border in Emerson from the US continues to rise. Ten migrants were just picked up Friday Morning walking along a train track located near the corner of Dennis Ave and 6th Street in the South East Corner of the community, carrying several suitcases.
More than 450 people have illegally entered Manitoba into Emerson since the start of 2017 according to Reeve Greg Janzen.
https://www.pembinavalleyonline.com/local/the-number-of-migrants-walking-across-the-border-in-emerson-continues-to-rise
Wplains
04-15-17, 08:47 PM
This should give you a good idea of who is currently trying to leave the US and what kind of numbers we are seeing at just one border crossing.
This is from a Liberal, government sponsored, mainstream news source. The illegal migration north is ongoing. If the CBC and the CBSA can't be trusted to honestly admit such facts, no one can.
Border services officer assaulted by asylum seeker who was detained for criminal past
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/illegal-border-crossers-criminal-records-cbsa-union-1.4069820
The Number Of Migrants Walking Across the Border In Emerson Continues to Rise
https://www.pembinavalleyonline.com/local/the-number-of-migrants-walking-across-the-border-in-emerson-continues-to-rise
The operative word here is "illegal". They were illegal in the US and they continue to be illegal in Canada. Notice how there are no news of anyone trying to "illegally" cross into Mexico? Wonder why.....(I think I can take a wild guess though, lol). ;)
Half of all British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal, poll finds
Extensive polling conducted by ICM suggests that in most cases attitudes held by the British Muslim population do not broadly differ from those held by the population at large, but there are significant differences when it comes to some issues such as homosexuality and women’s rights.
Trevor Phillips, the former head of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, said the findings were “extremely worrying” as they suggested on many issues Muslims were “nation within a nation”.
He called for a more “muscular approach” to integration.
Illegal, they think it should be illegal, they don,t think it's just immoral. Illegal means against the law. It means they think people should be prosecuted for being gay.... What does that tell you?
Almost half (47%) said they did not agree that it was acceptable for a gay person to become a teacher, compared with 14% of the general population.
Half? Wow....
Nearly a quarter (23%) supported the introduction of sharia law in some areas of Britain, and 39% agreed that “wives should always obey their husbands”, compared with 5% of the country as a whole.
This in modern Britain.
Two-thirds (66%) said they completely condemned people who took part in stoning adulterers, and a further 13% condemned them to some extent.
Well, thank heavens for small mercies.... ;)
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law
Yes, so?
If it doesn't matter, why are you mentioning it, then? :shrug:
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/11/europe/britain-muslims-survey/index.html
I won't bother highlighting the CNN article as regards anti-semitism, read it for yourself and draw your own conclusions.
Can you please show me a single source in this - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law
An article is not a source, an article containing claims is not a source. Like please, thanks.
Captain Steel
04-15-17, 11:25 PM
There are tons of polls and statistics out there and they all read relatively the same.
There are moderate Muslims, but there is no moderate Islam. Muslims that are devout or adherent support the majority of the unpleasant stuff we've been talking about even if they appear to have a tolerant, democratic or progressive exterior. It's all part of the plan. They may not be the ones to carry all the awful stuff out, but they believe in it. Many just wait or hope for the balance of power to shift or the numbers to become overwhelming so they can jump on the supremacy bandwagon.
As always, the majority of Muslims don't openly practice fundamentalism (i.e. radicalism, extremism, violent jihadism) but the percentages of those among the "moderate" community who covertly believe in it and support it is alarming.
Wplains
04-16-17, 08:16 PM
Can you please show me a single source in this - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law
An article is not a source, an article containing claims is not a source. Like please, thanks.
Lol, sure: not a source. I'm sure THE GUARDIAN (The Guardian, not the bleeding Daily Mail!) invented that poll....yup, uh-huh!
Look it up yourself - I know your type - no matter how much evidence is presented it's "not true", "it comes from the wrong source", or "I refuse to accept it at all". Frankly, what do I care what you think? :rolleyes:
gandalf26
04-17-17, 04:12 AM
Can you please show me a single source in this - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law
An article is not a source, an article containing claims is not a source. Like please, thanks.
Newspapers like the Guardian are a professional information gathering organization, info gathered from sources or polls they conduct themselves.
Head in the sand much?
christine
04-17-17, 01:07 PM
Newspapers like the Guardian are a professional information gathering organization, info gathered from sources or polls they conduct themselves.
Head in the sand much?
Actually that Guardian article was about a Channel 4 documentary called What British Muslims Really Think. The poll was conducted on behalf of Channel 4. Now call me cynical if you like, but you make a programme which is interesting to an audience it has to take a stand one way or another. A poll of 1000 Muslims was taken out of a 2.8 million population of Muslims in the UK. The poll was only taken in parts of the country where the Muslim population is more than 20% due to cost considerations, so no I don't think Camo has his head in the sand, I always question polls that somehow self fulfil the line taken by the newpaper, tv etc..
I'm a bit fed up of reading about Muslims in this thread as if they all follow the religion to the letter. Of course they don't. Just as Catholics don't all abide by the Pope's rulings on birth control. People pick and choose bits of their religions and then get on with their lives. If you want to read an interesting set of polls have a look at the American non partisan Pew Research Center's survey called the Religious Landscape Study. I'm linking you here to the Social and Religious Attitudes part of the study. You'll see in this study taken over all the states in America that the views on social issues by Muslims are pretty much akin to thpse taken by Protestants for example.
http://www.pewforum.org/2015/11/03/chapter-4-social-and-political-attitudes/
Captain Steel
04-17-17, 02:05 PM
I'm a bit fed up of reading about Muslims in this thread as if they all follow the religion to the letter. Of course they don't. Just as Catholics don't all abide by the Pope's rulings on birth control. People pick and choose bits of their religions and then get on with their lives. If you want to read an interesting set of polls have a look at the American non partisan Pew Research Center's survey called the Religious Landscape Study. I'm linking you here to the Social and Religious Attitudes part of the study. You'll see in this study taken over all the states in America that the views on social issues by Muslims are pretty much akin to thpse taken by Protestants for example.
http://www.pewforum.org/2015/11/03/chapter-4-social-and-political-attitudes/
Why are you fed up with that, Christine, since no one has really said any such thing? In fact, all the polls indicate the numbers of overt & covert fundamentalists are only a percentage of the overall Muslim population. (The problem of course being that among a population of almost 2 billion worldwide, a small percent is still a whole lot of people and, as we saw in Paris, it only takes a few fundamentalists to murder hundreds.)
Movie Max
04-17-17, 03:09 PM
Too many attacks/attempts to count, this past weekend. I did learn something new about a "beautiful blessing" from the Australian media.:indifferent:
I'm a bit fed up of reading about Muslims in this thread as if they all follow the religion to the letter. Of course they don't. Just as Catholics don't all abide by the Pope's rulings on birth control. People pick and choose bits of their religions and then get on with their lives. If you want to read an interesting set of polls have a look at the American non partisan Pew Research Center's survey called the Religious Landscape Study. I'm linking you here to the Social and Religious Attitudes part of the study. You'll see in this study taken over all the states in America that the views on social issues by Muslims are pretty much akin to thpse taken by Protestants for example.
http://www.pewforum.org/2015/11/03/chapter-4-social-and-political-attitudes/
I agree, christine.
How is it no one is discussing Steve Stephens and the 15 alleged kills he has done to attention whore on social media this holiday weekend to terrorise. Tht poor elderly gentleman just minding his own business.
Captain Steel
04-17-17, 03:56 PM
I agree, christine.
How is it no one is discussing Steve Stephens and the 15 alleged kills he has done to attention whore on social media this holiday weekend to terrorise. Tht poor elderly gentleman just minding his own business.
Without looking him up is he a terrorist or a serial killer? One could certainly be both.
On that note: we also need to define exactly what terrorism is - it's a word that can be used in a very generalized fashion or to represent something more specific. If a person gets robbed at gun or knife-point on the street they could certainly say the robber "terrorized" them, and striking terror in the victim was certainly the intent of the criminal in order to ensure a compliant victim, but obviously we wouldn't refer to a robber as a "terrorist."
The Fort Hood attack is a good example of disagreement over what qualifies as terrorism. We now know the only reason the Obama administration classified it as "workplace violence" was so they wouldn't have to pay specific benefits to soldiers or their families wounded or killed in the attack.
The Fort Hood attack is a good example of disagreement over what qualifies as terrorism. We now know the only reason the Obama administration classified it as "workplace violence" was so they wouldn't have to pay specific benefits to soldiers or their families wounded or killed in the attack.
Oh you're kidding. I havent read about him calling it that and for that reason. Disgraceful.
He's a maniac that streamed a kill for FB, copycatting a stream of other people who have been doing it lately, and all because his girlfriend dumped him from what I can gather. Just mindblowing. I would link the article but it contains the video and I dont want to put that on here because it gives the insane attention whore what he wants. I'm actually disgusted the media are showing the stream. That poor man's family.
Captain Steel
04-17-17, 04:08 PM
Oh you're kidding. I havent read about him calling it that and for that reason. Disgraceful.
He's a maniac that streamed a kill for FB, copycatting a stream of other people who have been doing it lately, and all because his girlfriend dumped him from what I can gather. Just mindblowing. I would link the article but it contains the video and I dont want to put that on here because it gives the insane attention whore what he wants. I'm actually disgusted the media are showing the stream. That poor man's family.
Interesting. I'll look him up now. From your description it doesn't sound like he's a "terrorist" (motivated by a religious or political ideology to intimidate, alter the behaviors of others, or to promote or draw attention to the cause or goals of such ideologies via acts of violence, often against random civilians.)
Interesting. I'll look him up now. From your description it doesn't sound like he's a "terrorist" (motivated by a religious or political ideology to intimidate or promote the cause or goals of such ideologies via acts of violence, often against random civilians.)
It doesnt need to be motivated by religion or political gain. Countries with massive rape cultures showcase terrorism, but no one ever discusses it for long.
OMG I wish I hdnt seen the video. I;m so distressed for Robert Godwin Snr who had just left an Easter service!!!
Sorry for the explanation marks. Really wound up.
Captain Steel
04-17-17, 04:31 PM
It doesnt need to be motivated by religion or political gain. Countries with massive rape cultures showcase terrorism, but no one ever discusses it for long.
OMG I wish I hdnt seen the video. I;m so distressed for Robert Godwin Snr who had just left an Easter service!!!
Sorry for the explanation marks. Really wound up.
To fit the typical classification of "terrorism" used in its traditional, specific sense, then religion or politics (or certain other ways of thinking we'd call ideologies) need to somehow be involved, otherwise it could just be random acts of violence by a homicidal individual, a mentally disturbed person, etc. who has no other motivation than personal revenge, derangement, or acting on violent impulses.
The reason countries with massive rape cultures showcase terrorism is because such rape cultures are an inherent part of the Islamic ideology - the largest producer of global terrorism.
The reason countries with massive rape cultures showcase terrorism is because such rape cultures are an inherent part of the Islamic ideology - the largest producer of global terrorism.
Oh you had to go and spoil our civil discussion. Always bringing terrorism back to one group of people. Bashing my head against a brick wall, Cap. Careful, your agenda keeps showing.
And you're wrong about the definition. Political agendas are a big part of it but doesnt not have to contain that element.
Anyway, goodluck reading Steve Stephens 'escapades'. Mindboggling to think that psycho is a mental health worker for kids. Well he's just murdered a grandfather who was picking up cans on his way home. Why? To terrorise a community, and he claims he;s not stopping until the police catch him. Yeah, not a terrorist. For all you or I know, he might be a muslim. Would that make you happier to call him a terrorist? And you question why Christine is bothered by the incessant drag back to one religion.
Never mind.
Movie Max
04-17-17, 04:50 PM
I've heard of curiosity killing a cat before, but never a muslim.
Pakistan 'blasphemy killing': murdered student 'devoted to Islam'
Those who knew a Pakistani student who was accused of blasphemy and beaten to death say he was intellectually curious and asked many questions, but openly professed devotion to Islam.
A mob in the northern city of Mardan severely tortured and killed Mashal Khan following a heated debate over religion, witnesses claim. It attracted a crowd of hundreds.
Images of Khan’s university room show posters of communist leaders Che Guevara and Karl Marx hanging on the walls.
http://www.euronews.com/2017/04/14/pakistan-blasphemy-killing-murdered-student-devoted-to-islam
Captain Steel
04-17-17, 05:00 PM
Oh you had to go and spoil our civil discussion. Always bringing terrorism back to one group of people. Bashing my head against a brick wall, Cap. Careful, your agenda keeps showing.
And you're wrong about the definition. Political agendas are a big part of it but doesnt not have to contain that element.
Anyway, goodluck reading Steve Stephens 'escapades'. Mindboggling to think that psycho is a mental health worker for kids. Well he's just murdered a grandfather who was picking up cans on his way home. Why? To terrorise a community, and he claims he;s not stopping until the police catch him. Yeah, not a terrorist. For all you or I know, he might be a muslim. Would that make you happier to call him a terrorist? And you question why Christine is bothered by the incessant drag back to one religion.
Never mind.
You're giving me a lot to respond to in just 3 short paragraphs. I would plead guilty to having an "agenda" or at least an interest in exposing Islam. And I think I'm in fairly good company as there is a growing group of practicing and former Muslims (apostates) who also want to educate the world as to what Islam actually believes and does, and to counter the rampant apologism that seeks to whitewash Islam and disregard the constantly growing global terrorism it inflicts upon the peace-loving people of the world.
You seem bothered by facts. The rampant rape epidemic in Europe (that is what we were referring to, isn't it?) has been carried out by one group - there were no "rape epidemics" committed by Christians, Jews or others in these areas in recent times. It's been in the news because it is a phenomenon that has developed with the greater increase of Muslim men in these countries' populations. It's the same group out of which increasing Islamic Terrorists are appearing to wreak havoc. If Islam had not reached numbers of "critical mass" in Europe, I doubt there would be news stories about the "rape epidemic" as mass rape is not part of other religions' beliefs (whereas we can quote the scriptures, history, teachings and examples of the Prophet that promote misogyny, abuse of women, sex slavery, rape and pedophilia committed on female children.)
Your second paragraph pertains to what I mentioned before - the definition of terrorism. It's got a broad general definition that would apply to any bully or criminal who seeks to intimidate, but its more common, yet more specific definition pertains not to personal motivations, but those based in shared ideologies.
I wasnt referring to europe at all. Not sure why you thought I was. I was referring to the rape capitals of the world.
Anyway, this is getting too much after the video I had shoved in my face this morning.
Captain Steel
04-17-17, 05:07 PM
I wasnt referring to europe at all. Not sure why you thought I was. I was referring to the rape capitals of the world.
Anyway, this is getting too much after the video I had shoved in my face this morning.
Okay, you'll have to educate me on the rape capitals of the world. (Is North Korea one? I don't know, I just imagine that rape goes along with the whole fascist dictatorship gulag-nation thing.)
Captain Steel
04-17-17, 05:13 PM
Oh you had to go and spoil our civil discussion. Always bringing terrorism back to one group of people. Bashing my head against a brick wall, Cap. Careful, your agenda keeps showing.
One more thing to say on this comment - It seems the group I'm guilty of continuing to discuss does a pretty good job of always bringing terrorism back to themselves by continuously inflicting it on the rest of the world!
So get mad at Islam for constantly making their ideology the center of any terrorism discussion - I'd love for them to stop committing terrorism and giving us no reason to ever mention Islam in any discussion about non-stop global terrorism (of course, if not for Islam, there would be no non-stop global terrorism).
Wplains
04-18-17, 06:45 AM
Without looking him up is he a terrorist or a serial killer? One could certainly be both.
On that note: we also need to define exactly what terrorism is - it's a word that can be used in a very generalized fashion or to represent something more specific. If a person gets robbed at gun or knife-point on the street they could certainly say the robber "terrorized" them, and striking terror in the victim was certainly the intent of the criminal in order to ensure a compliant victim, but obviously we wouldn't refer to a robber as a "terrorist."
The Fort Hood attack is a good example of disagreement over what qualifies as terrorism. We now know the only reason the Obama administration classified it as "workplace violence" was so they wouldn't have to pay specific benefits to soldiers or their families wounded or killed in the attack.
No idea who this guy is. However, trying to link murderers or serial killers with all out terrorists is ridículous. We all know Islamic terrorists have an agenda based on their mysoginist, deep hatred of Western lifestyle because of their belief in a vengeful, hate filled god. And to think most moderate Muslims don't believe in punishing people for apostasy or that women should be submissive to men (else why cover women in shrouds?) is really trying to bury your head in the sand. YouTube is filled with videos of documentaries where these beliefs are held by Muslims brought up in Western countries.
And please, spare me the argument every documentary is made by racists. One: Islam is not a race but an ideology (and a horrible one at that) and Islamophbia mean "fear of Islam" and gee, I think they have given us every reason to fear it, don't you think?
Captain Steel
04-18-17, 10:44 PM
Kori Ali Muhammad = Suspect in Fresno shooting spree that killed 3 shouts 'Allahu Akbar' when arrested.
http://www.yourcentralvalley.com/news/suspect-in-fresno-shooting-spree-that-killed-3-shouts-allahu-akbar-when-arrested/693838151
Terrorism? Who knows - he certainly yelled out what has become the standard Terrorist war cry, but based on reports it seems this murderous scumbag was more concerned with race hatred than religious terrorism.
Wplains
04-19-17, 04:55 AM
Kori Ali Muhammad = Suspect in Fresno shooting spree that killed 3 shouts 'Allahu Akbar' when arrested.
http://www.yourcentralvalley.com/news/suspect-in-fresno-shooting-spree-that-killed-3-shouts-allahu-akbar-when-arrested/693838151
Terrorism? Who knows - he certainly yelled out what has become the standard Terrorist war cry, but based on reports it seems this murderous scumbag was more concerned with race hatred than religious terrorism.
Isn't it funny how when you hear about attacks like these nowadays the perpetrators all seem to be called Mohammed or Ali?
Captain Steel
04-19-17, 04:53 PM
Isn't it funny how when you hear about attacks like these nowadays the perpetrators all seem to be called Mohammed or Ali?
One of the more interesting points coming forward in the news stories about the Fresno shooting is how the AP changed the killer's war cry from "Allahu Akbar" to "God is Great" thus taking any reference off of Islam and potentially inferring that the killer was on a rampage in the name of Christianity or Judaism.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/18/ap-changes-fresno-shooters-words-from-allahu-akbar-removes-islam-reference/
It's not hard to understand how there are so many uninformed & uneducated apologists out there when our own media alters facts and outright lies to try to whitewash Islam at every opportunity.
Wplains
04-20-17, 10:27 AM
One of the more interesting points coming forward in the news stories about the Fresno shooting is how the AP changed the killer's war cry from "Allahu Akbar" to "God is Great" thus taking any reference off of Islam and potentially inferring that the killer was on a rampage in the name of Christianity or Judaism.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/18/ap-changes-fresno-shooters-words-from-allahu-akbar-removes-islam-reference/
It's not hard to understand how there are so many uninformed & uneducated apologists out there when our own media alters facts and outright lies to try to whitewash Islam at every opportunity.
It certainly give the press a ......very bad press. Getting to be like Sweden where the press reported a woman was raped by several (the numbers vary) "Swedish men" who then actually all turned out to be Somalian. But at least there they have an excuse: the press is controlled by the government.
https://www.nyatider.nu/disclosure-the-four-swedes-in-custody-for-gang-rape-are-somali-citizens/
Movie Max
04-20-17, 05:01 PM
jeudi...
A police source also said there had been two assailants, and a witness told Reuters that one man got out of a car at the scene and began shooting with a machine gun.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-shooting-idUSKBN17M2I8
According to Jean-Paul Gourévitch, there were 7.7 million Muslims( about 11 percent of the population) in metropolitan France in 2011.
Movie Max
04-20-17, 06:40 PM
Gotta love Australia!
Turnbull government ministers defend tough new changes to citizenship test
Dutton says Citizenship test changes are not directed at Muslims
‘IT’S NOT ABOUT MUSLIMS’
Mr Dutton has denied the changes are pointed at Muslim migrants amid concerns about violent extremism stirred up by terrorist group Islamic State.
The Immigration Minister said 99 per cent of Australia’s Muslim community were law abiding citizens who would find domestic violence abhorrent.http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/turnbull-government-ministers-defend-tough-new-changes-to-citizenship-test/news-story/170d06e44d12363f31112edd21070c32
Wplains
04-20-17, 06:57 PM
jeudi...
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-shooting-idUSKBN17M2I8
Another day, another terrorist attack. The TV news stations in my part of the world are saying Daesh has claimed responsibility....quelle surprise!! :rolleyes:
I read today that most cops in France are saying they are going to vote for LePen (French elections are in a few days) since she is the only one who seems to promise security. The PC politicians have a lot to answer for.
cat_sidhe
04-20-17, 07:50 PM
"promises security". lol
cat_sidhe
04-20-17, 07:53 PM
btw don't look at me for any sanity. I would wipe out anyone with any religious inclinations whatsoever.
:)
Wplains
04-20-17, 08:13 PM
"promises security". lol
Yeah but she obviously convinced some people. I interpret that as "will abandon PC policies". If I am not mistaken, France's borders are already closed and have been since the Paris attacks. I doubt they will reopen any time soon.
btw don't look at me for any sanity. I would wipe out anyone with any religious inclinations whatsoever.
:)
What a ridiculous thing to say :mad:
Movie Max
04-20-17, 09:12 PM
btw don't look at me for any sanity. I would wipe out anyone with any religious inclinations whatsoever.
:)
https://i.giphy.com/3o6UBiAQ9Ws8UWdmqA.gif
cat_sidhe
04-21-17, 07:56 AM
Guys, I wasn't serious... ;)
I'm more the "let people do what they want as long as they don't force it on me and it doesn't hurt anyone" type.
gandalf26
04-21-17, 09:24 AM
Guys, I wasn't serious... ;)
I'm more the "let people do what they want as long as they don't force it on me and it doesn't hurt anyone" type.
Which is the opposite of Islam :)
christine
04-21-17, 09:36 AM
so all was not as it seems in the football coach attack. So much for jumping to conclusions. You couldn't make this one up
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39664212
Wplains
04-21-17, 04:13 PM
so all was not as it seems in the football coach attack. So much for jumping to conclusions. You couldn't make this one up
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39664212
Police initially treated the blast as a terrorist attack.
Blame the cops then.
I dropped this thread because the agenda was so strong but curious now that the OP hasnt mentioned this. Well?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/04/chhattisgarh-suspected-maoist-rebels-kill-12-soldiers-170424124924656.html
Captain Steel
04-24-17, 05:08 PM
I dropped this thread because the agenda was so strong but curious now that the OP hasnt mentioned this. Well?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/04/chhattisgarh-suspected-maoist-rebels-kill-12-soldiers-170424124924656.html
I didn't know India had "Maoist" rebels.
I didn't know India had "Maoist" rebels.
I'm not surprised. Maybe some more research needed , Cap.
Captain Steel
04-24-17, 05:31 PM
I'm not surprised. Maybe some more research needed , Cap.
I'm glad you're not surprised. I guess it comes as no surprise since I never claimed to track every subversive underground political group of every Asian nation.
I put "Maoist" in quotation marks because it is a little surprising that Indians would adopt the name of a Chinaman. And I don't often associate India with the politics of China.
Coincidentally, I was just watching a documentary about Mao - he is still regarded as the single worst dictator in the modern era based on numbers as he was responsible for the deaths of more of his own people than those dictators we consider the worst of the worst and the body counts they racked up through both war and genocide (of their enemies and of their own citizens).
Yet, in China, Mao is still regarded as a great nation builder - and the truth of his atrocities is ignored only because addressing it would be an open admission to the faults, corruption and failure of Communism.
'Chinaman'? Good grief.
Any wonder the world is in such a state.
Captain Steel
04-24-17, 06:26 PM
'Chinaman'? Good grief.
Any wonder the world is in such a state.
LOL! You call Muslims "Muzzies" and get upset over me calling Mao a Chinaman? What should he be called, a "Chinese man"? Is that more politically correct?
LOL! You call Muslims "Muzzies" and get upset over me calling Mao a Chinaman? What should he be called, a "Chinese man"? Is that more politically correct?
There you go again.
Jesus christ, talk about deflecting. 25 cops killed by insurgents but they're not believers of a book you hate so you carry on rather than address the issue. Tells me everything I needed to know. Unbelievable. Not 'Muslim' so it can't be terrorism. Yeah much the same as the rape capitals of the world. Bring in your tag team, Cap.
so all was not as it seems in the football coach attack. So much for jumping to conclusions. You couldn't make this one up
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39664212
Fancy that, yet some of us were called delusional, apologists, the disgusting 'terrorist sympathisers' and ridiculous amongst other things earlier when we said we'd wait for announcements rather than jump to conclusions.
Captain Steel
04-24-17, 07:43 PM
There you go again.
Jesus christ, talk about deflecting. 25 cops killed by insurgents but they're not believers of a book you hate so you carry on rather than address the issue. Tells me everything I needed to know. Unbelievable. Not 'Muslim' so it can't be terrorism. Yeah much the same as the rape capitals of the world. Bring in your tag team, Cap.
What deflecting? I didn't say it was not terrorism. I've said many times that Islamic Terrorism may be the most pervasive, widespread & overwhelming type of terrorism as it's the only type that exists on a global level and unified around a single ideology, but I never said it is the only type of terrorism.
I began discussing it, saying I didn't know there were Maoists in India (not just communists, but specifically Maoists). You say I'm deflecting, but concentrate your response on calling a man from China a Chinaman? Is that a big deal? If so, have you told your Muslim friends that you refer to them as "Muzzies"? ;)
I dropped this thread because the agenda was so strong but curious now that the OP hasnt mentioned this. Well?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/04/chhattisgarh-suspected-maoist-rebels-kill-12-soldiers-170424124924656.html
Since most of the members here are westerners i am not posting about terrorist attacks in the non western world . I am also not posting about Islamic terror attacks in the nonwestern world.
What deflecting? I didn't say it was not terrorism. I've said many times that Islamic Terrorism may be the most pervasive, widespread & overwhelming type of terrorism as it's the only type that exists on a global level and unified around a single ideology, but I never said it is the only type of terrorism.
I began discussing it, saying I didn't know there were Maoists in India (not just communists, but specifically Maoists). You say I'm deflecting, but concentrate your response on calling a man from China a Chinaman? Is that a big deal? If so, have you told your Muslim friends that you refer to them as "Muzzies"? ;)
Read my review of the movie 'chakravyuh' which is based on the Maoist / communist rebellion in central India. Review in in my Bollywood thread.
Review of 'Chakravyuh' ( The maze of war ) ---
This movie is a fictional story based on a real life communist rebellion in central India
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eyuuHTz7dgk/UIj4tZ58kLI/AAAAAAAAANE/1MfGWdrtMWw/s1600/chakravyuh+2012+watch+online+free.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-B20Oy1MdYAA/UDgD0PBWglI/AAAAAAAAKKc/DLPfTv-rkgc/s1600/chakravyuh-wallpaper-05-12x9.jpg
While newspapers and television blare out visions of ' India shining ' and people like me go to watch movies like Chakravyuh in posh multiplexes eating chicken sandwiches along with cappuccino coffee , there's a rebellion smoldering in the heart of rustic India....Its the cry of the havenots who are demanding their share of the pie which has been unjustly taken over by haves like me....
....And director Prakash Jha is the person fittingly capable of giving voice to this cry---for he among all the film makers of Bollywood is the one who knows the rustic heart of India too well , having filmed it brilliantly in films like Gangajal and Apaharan and many others....
.....And as the communist rebels run amok in central India under their leader Rajan ( played by Manoj Bajpai ),police officer Adil Khan ( played by Arjun Rampal ) is posted in their area to try to curb the problem.... The reason for this---big industrialists have one more plan to loot the mineral resources of the rebels' region in the name of development ; but they cant do it unless the rebellion is crushed....
Arjun's maverick friend ( played by Abhay Deol ) has a brainwave---he volunteers to become a Trojan horse among the rebels who will bring the maoist leader played by Manoj Bajpai into police custody.
But predictably he develops a sympathy for the maoist cause when he sees the terrible conditions under which the people whom the maoists protect are living and the way they are being exploited by the rich....and he thinks he has begun to find love for a woman among them....
But he does not change sides until a terrible incident involving the woman he likes forces him to....
So does Arjun Rampal's plan to catch Manoj Bajpai succeed ?? And how will Abhay's decision to change sides affect their friendship ?? Go and watch the movie for that....
To those who have a yen for romance---Prakash Jha is at his best when he is showing the understated and never-to-be-fulfilled romance between Abhay and his love interest ( played by Anjali Patil ). Its a romance that springs up while playing with death together and is shown in subtle undercurrents rather than moments of passion or expression . And newcomer Anjali Patil puts up an authentic performance as the girl who joins the maoist rebellion to escape the lustfilled clutches of landlords---but only to tragically suffer the same fate that she wanted to escape....
And to those who have a tilt towards action---the action scenes are well executed too , with hordes of communists and policemen attacking each other with a hailstorm of automatic rifle gunfire in several well crafted sequences....INSAS rifles , Kalashnikovs and self loading rifles fire in tandem with latest guns having laser dot markers....
But why does Arjun's wife Esha Gupta hang about half naked in sexy clothes in the middle of rebel country in a couple of scenes?? Does she think its a metropolis like Mumbai or Delhi ?? And do even maoist leaders have time to watch Item dances by hotties like Sameera Reddy ?? In reality these was no need to bring such aspects of commercialism in the film .
Manoj Bajpai's role is not that big and he is his usual self but it is not his film really....The film belongs to Arjun Rampal and Abhay Deol but their acting cannot be called fantastic...Om Puri is just about okay....
These glitches should not take away from the commendable performance of the director who seems to have recovered from the debacle of his earlier film .
Verdict---I would give it a thumbs up...
scenes from the movie 'chakravyuh'
https://youtu.be/y5JK0oFLhoo
https://youtu.be/hPzZzw2tSDk
https://youtu.be/XWZMEdtkyh4
https://youtu.be/vxlqHZU_0ok
Movie Max
04-25-17, 03:26 PM
Sydney man Omarjan Azari spoke of plan to kill seven random Australians a month
A Sydney man who was in regular communication with senior Islamic State recruiter Mohammed Ali Baryalei, spoke about a plan to kill six or seven random Australians per month in the name of Islamic State, a jury has been told.http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sydney-man-omarjan-azari-spoke-of-plan-to-kill-seven-random-australians-a-month-terrorism-trial-told-20170424-gvrbpk.html
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