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Movie Max
03-22-17, 02:43 PM
Police have called it a terrorist attack. I call it Wednesday in Europe.
Police have called it a terrorist attack. I call it Wednesday in Europe.
I know that.
Movie Max
03-22-17, 03:05 PM
Suspected attacker...
Four people have died police confirm, at least 20 injured
https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/gtgfgsd.jpg?w=748&h=392&crop=1
Movie Max
03-22-17, 03:18 PM
Insanity. WTH mkes people want to get in a vehicle and mow down innocent people minding their own business.
The fact that you still have to ask at this stage, speaks volumes.:tsk:
The fact that you still have to ask at this stage, speaks volumes.:tsk:
Wut? It was a rhetorical question. Jaysus.
Anyone who doesn't have an INSTANT 99% + idea of the ethnicity and beliefs of the person responsible is suffering from mental illness.
I assumed that but thought that Ashdoc was agreeing with the notion that the victims were not innocent.
Sorry, if I got that wrong.
What on earth is wrong with you, ash. I'm disappointed in myself for giving you another go hoping you would be sensible.
I assumed that but thought that Ashdoc was agreeing with the notion that the victims were not innocent.
Sorry, if I got that wrong.
i was being sarcastic .
i was being sarcastic .
I get that now. Apologies.
What on earth is wrong with you, ash. I'm disappointed in myself for giving you another go hoping you would be sensible.
OK , i have deleted the '72 virgins' post .
Captain Steel
03-22-17, 04:45 PM
Suspected attacker...
Four people have died police confirm, at least 20 injured
https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/gtgfgsd.jpg?w=748&h=392&crop=1
This must be the "Asian" man they've been describing. (Of course, most of what we call the "Middle East" is within Asia.)
Movie Max
03-22-17, 04:48 PM
EDIT:
Radical Muslim cleric mistakenly named as London attacker
http://nypost.com/2017/03/22/radical-muslim-cleric-mistakenly-named-as-london-attacker/
Captain Steel
03-22-17, 04:53 PM
Lovely. Maybe they just dont whip out their crystal ball but prefer to wait for, as I said, an official announcement rather than jump the gun. You know, like when NYT declared Breivik was a muslim.
Deary me.
I do have to agree with you, Dani.
I always say we should not jump to conclusions until all facts are in. I agree with former President Obama who told us not to jump to conclusions about Islamic Terrorism after the Fort Hood massacre in 2009 (yet he himself jumped to conclusions on multiple occasions regarding police & racial issues before facts were known - I guess his philosophy was "do as I say, not as I do.")
But he did advise us not to jump to conclusions regarding Fort Hood. And it turned out he was right! Nidal Hasan murdering over a dozen people while screaming "Allahu Akbar!" after he'd written essays on the rightness of Islamic supremacy and communicated with terrorist agitator Anwar al-Awlaki wasn't just another terror attack by an Islamic jihadist... it was simply "workplace violence!"
Movie Max
03-22-17, 04:54 PM
LOL. Wsnt it the NYP that broke the news of the world tht Breivik was an Islamic terrorist?
You know, like when NYT declared Breivik was a muslim.
So, have you picked one? NYP or NYT?
So, have you picked one? NYP or NYT?
Not my rags so no, why should I pick one? I prefer to read reuters and al jazeerah to get a cross section. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I do have to agree with you, Dani.
I always say we should not jump to conclusions until all facts are in. I agree with former President Obama who told us not to jump to conclusions about Islamic Terrorism after the Fort Hood massacre in 2009 (yet he himself jumped to conclusions on multiple occasions regarding police & racial issues before facts were known - I guess his philosophy was "do as I say, not as I do.")
But he did advise us not to jump to conclusions regarding Fort Hood. And it turned out he was right! Nidal Hasan murdering over a dozen people while screaming "Allahu Akbar!" after he'd written essays on the rightness of Islamic supremacy and communicated with terrorist agitator Anwar al-Awlaki wasn't just another terror attack by an Islamic jihadist... it was simply "workplace violence!"
We had the same situation here with the sydney siege. People automatically jumped to the conclusion the gunman was affiliated with Isis. He wasnt. He was a nutbag attention whore who knew the media would be on him 24/7 if he said he was. That guy was under the eye of task forces for previous activities so I have no idea how someone with mental health issues managed to buy guns in the strictest gun control country in the world. It's a shtty system but that's another topic.
Captain Steel
03-22-17, 05:09 PM
We had the same situation here with the sydney siege. People automatically jumped to the conclusion the gunman was affiliated with Isis. He wasnt. He was a nutbag attention whore who knew the media would be on him 24/7 if he said he was. That guy was under the eye of task forces for previous activities so I have no idea how someone with mental health issues managed to buy guns in the strictest gun control country in the world. It's a shtty system but that's another topic.
Not sure, Dani, but you may have missed my sarcasm - the Fort Hood massacre was indeed Islamic Terrorism but was "classified" as "workplace violence" by the B. Hussein Obama administration so they wouldn't have to pay the wounded and slain service people's families specific benefits they'd receive if they'd been wounded or died in a terrorist attack.
British Parliament attacker was radical Muslim cleric
http://nypost.com/2017/03/22/british-parliament-attacker-was-radical-muslim-cleric/
Deleted now. :eek:
Edit: Now it says mistaken. Kind of proving Dani's point :D
The guy mentioned was put in prison for 2 years in January 2016.
It might well be him but the story has been taken down.
At the time I assumed that it was highly likely that it was an Islamic fundamentalist but when Brexit is happening and an attack happens at Westminster then a political extremist could have been possible too.
Not sure, Dani, but you may have missed my sarcasm - the Fort Hood massacre was indeed Islamic Terrorism but was "classified" as "workplace violence" by the B. Hussein Obama administration so they wouldn't have to pay the wounded and slain service people's families specific benefits they'd receive if they'd been wounded or died in a terrorist attack.
Oh I caught your sarcasm but I derailed myself because I've been meaning to mention the sydney siege nutcase. Sorry, my caffeine hasnt kicked in yet. And I've got stuff happening all over my screen at the moment so I;m flitting around like a goldfish
Well the assailant wont be trying that again.
Movie Max
03-22-17, 05:56 PM
Not my rags so no, why should I pick one?
Which one did what you say? Both?
Which one did what you say? Both?
From memory it was NYT. Does it matter? The fact of the matter is the editor jumped the gun and printed misinformation. I;m not sure what you're even getting at or if you simply want a punch up. It might have been both for all I know. In this case newspapers are waiting for the facts before making hasty claims.
gandalf26
03-22-17, 07:00 PM
The reason this sort of attack is almost certain to be Islamic terrorism is the suicidal nature of the incident. Recent terrorist atrocities by Anders Brevik or the man who killed British MP Joe Cox for example didn't plan to die (although Brevik did walk toward Police with his gun before giving up at last moment).
Such a shame, a poor Policeman just doing his job and at least 3 other's just going about their day are now dead, just dead and gone having everything taken from them and for what?! because some ****ing idiot who believes we are the "kuffar" (unbeliever) therefore a lesser species deserving of slaughter.
Politicians are really responsible for this mess having preached "tolerance", "multiculturalism", "cultural enrichment" for the past 20 + years. Generally men from many countries in the middle east are simply stuck in a medieval mentality in a modern world and are not compatable with modern western civilisation. Even if only 1% of Muslims subscribe to the more extreme ideology and of those only 1% or less could be able to carry out an atrocity like this then we still have a huge problem.
Captain Steel
03-22-17, 07:14 PM
Plus - the attack mimics those that became popular in Israel (among jihadists of course, not among Israelis) and which were espoused by ISIS who encouraged all Muslims to carry out such attacks globally.
The same M.O. was used by Abdul Razak Ali Artan, the jihadist who attacked innocent people on the campus of Ohio State University less than 5 months ago. Hundreds of others worldwide follow the same exact tactics.
Such a shame, a poor Policeman just doing his job and at least 3 other's just going about their day are now dead, just dead and gone having everything taken from them and for what?! because some ****ing idiot who believes we are the "kuffar" (unbeliever) therefore a lesser species deserving of slaughter.
I agree about the innocent who died and were injured, but I;m not going to assume it's religiously motivated until more facts arise. The same thing happened the other day in this very thread. A man pulls out a knife, yells allah-u-akbar and slits a guy's throat. People assumed that because he was wearing particular ethnic carb is was an islamic terror attack. It was a domestic violence and mental health issue. I;m not saying that's any better but let's call a spade a spade until we know more. If I put on shalwar kameez and a pakol hat which I own, recite the islamic creed in arabic which I can do, pull out a knife and stab my cray cray christian neighbour, people will assume it's an isis related attack. No, it just means the police should shoot me in the head.
Movie Max
03-22-17, 07:27 PM
From memory it was NYT. Does it matter? The fact of the matter is the editor jumped the gun and printed misinformation.
Just thought you might know what you were talking about while trying to tell us about it. Sorry, my mistake.
Just thought you might know what you were talking about while trying to tell us about it. Sorry, my mistake.
Wow. You seem very angry at the world. No need to take that out on the board. Isnt there enough sht going on around the globe? Go hug your mum or something.
Movie Max
03-22-17, 07:31 PM
Yes, roaring anger.:rolleyes: Keep reading into things.
NYP-Conservative
NYT-Liberal
I was curious who made the boo-boo you've been blabbing about.
christine
03-22-17, 07:38 PM
Thoughts are with the family of the policeman and the three other as yet unnamed people. Also most probably the family of the man who caused this devastation as time after time the families of lone radicals are also made to suffer with the dreadful realisation that their son did this unspeakable act.
Great work by the emergency services and by MP Tobias Ellwood who worked so hard trying to save the policeman. Who was posting the other day condemning all politicians?
Edited
Yes, roaring anger.:rolleyes: Keep reading into things.
NYP-Conservative
NYT-Liberal
I was curious who made the boo-boo you've been blabbing about.
As I said not my rags. Why on earth would I know what their leanings are. Good grief. In the words of Yoda fear leads to anger anger leads to hate. If you want to lead your life that way that's yourcross to bear. Good luck with that.
christine
03-22-17, 08:04 PM
And I really think we want the Trumps to keep their idiotic tweets out of our faces.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/22/donald-trump-jr-tweet-london-mayor-sadiq-khan?CMP=twt_gu
Movie Max
03-22-17, 08:07 PM
As I said not my rags. Why on earth would I know what their leanings are. Good grief. In the words of Yoda fear leads to anger anger leads to hate. If you want to lead your life that way that's yourcross to bear. Good luck with that.
Alright, thanks. Didn't mean to interrupt your Breivik argument. I do try to factor in leanings when I read my news.
Movie Max
03-22-17, 08:19 PM
Four people have died police confirm, at least 20 injured
Now 5 dead and 40 wounded.
As I said not my rags. Why on earth would I know what their leanings are. Good grief. In the words of Yoda fear leads to anger anger leads to hate. If you want to lead your life that way that's yourcross to bear. Good luck with that.
Alright, thanks. Didn't mean to interrupt your Breivik argument. I do try to factor in leanings when I read my news.
I don't think you factor in anything except your tunnel vision but each to their own. Conversation over.
Movie Max
03-22-17, 08:34 PM
Conversation over.
No problem. Happy to leave it at your Breivik argument, accusing multiple sources.
And I really think we want the Trumps to keep their idiotic tweets out of our faces.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/22/donald-trump-jr-tweet-london-mayor-sadiq-khan?CMP=twt_gu
The apple sure didnt fall far from the tree.
Captain Steel
03-22-17, 08:47 PM
The apple sure didnt fall far from the tree.
I agree.
But, I hate to admit I was thinking of the same phrase in regards to Christine's sentiments of feeling sorrow for terrorist's families.
I'm not criticizing the sentiments, I too feel sad for people whose children decide to become murderers. But in the case of Islam; people willingly belong to a religion (that is also a political ideology) which literally commands devout followers to murder non-believers. They raise their kid with this belief system, then their kid murders non-believers and they're upset about it?
If someone is upset about their kid following exactly what their ideology says they should do or follows the example they are taught they are supposed to follow, why would they remain with such an ideology? Why not just adopt Buddhism or Confucianism, Taoism, etc.?
I agree.
But, I hate to admit I was thinking of the same phrase in regards to Christine's sentiments of feeling sorrow for terrorist's families.
I'm not criticizing the sentiments, I too feel sad for people whose children decide to become murderers. But in the case of Islam; people willingly belong to a religion (that is also a political ideology) which literally commands devout followers to murder non-believers. They raise their kid with this belief system, then their kid murders non-believers and they're upset about it?
If someone is upset about their kid following exactly what their ideology says they should do or follows the example they are taught they are supposed to follow, why would they remain with such an ideology? Why not just adopt Buddhism or Confucianism, Taoism, etc.?
Rubbish. They dont necessarily raise their kids to be extremists anymore than christians raise their kids to be crusaders or KKK nutbags. Disenfranchised people do stupid sht. Yes I do feel sorry for their grieving parents.
Captain Steel
03-22-17, 09:12 PM
Rubbish. They dont necessarily raise their kids to be extremists anymore than christians raise their kids to be crusaders or KKK nutbags. Disenfranchised people do stupid sht. Yes I do feel sorry for their grieving parents.
Probably true for most. But this brings us back to the basics...
There is nothing contained in the KKK philosophy existing within Christian doctrine. Yet the ISIS philosophy is direct, literal Islamic doctrine.
If a Christian is practicing charity, forgiveness, compassion and love, they are directly following the teachings and tenets of Jesus.
If a Muslim is practicing intolerance for other beliefs, taxing, enslaving or killing non-believers, or embracing the concept of genocide as a way to establish Islamic supremacy over the world, they are directly following the teachings and tenets of Muhammad.
This sounds horrible, I know, but this is what these particular ideologies have written down in their scriptures.
Probably true for most. But this brings us back to the basics...
There is nothing contained in the KKK philosophy existing within Christian doctrine. Yet the ISIS philosophy is direct, literal Islamic doctrine.
If a Christian is practicing charity, forgiveness, compassion and love, they are directly following the teachings and tenets of Jesus.
If a Muslim is practicing intolerance for other beliefs, trying to establish earthly supremacy over others, taxing, enslaving or killing non-believers, or embracing the concept of genocide as a way to establish Islamic supremacy over the world, they are directly following the teachings and tenets of Muhammad.
This sounds horrible, I know, but this is what these particular ideologies have written down in their scriptures.
Wut? The Abrahamic religions are all saying the same thing. They're all bloody bad and leave it open for extremism, as all ideologies do. You just hate muslims and cherry pick. That's what extremists do - they cherry pick.
Dear sweet baby jesus whose father had you tortured and sacrificed. Where are you now...:rolleyes:
Captain Steel
03-22-17, 09:25 PM
Wut? The Abrahamic religions are all saying the same thing. They're all bloody bad and leave it open for extremism, as all ideologies do. You just hate muslims and cherry pick. That's what extremists do - they cherry pick.
Dear sweet baby jesus whose father had you tortured and sacrificed. Where are you now...:rolleyes:
That is absolutely not true. Islam is the only religion that calls for forced conversion by intimidation & violence (or for the "dhimmitude" of non-believers by forcing them into a caste system where they may be taxed or enslaved due to being "infidels"), the murder of other people for the "crime" of not believing in its religion, killing those who choose to leave the religion (apostates) and establishing earthy (i.e. political / governmental) supremacy over all others.
No other major religion advocates such things.
No other major religion advocates such things.
Yeah, they just kill people.
Freking hell, Yods, please stop putting drugs in the mofo water cooler.
Suspected terror attack in Antwerp ---
https://www.google.co.in/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/39369202
Movie Max
03-23-17, 11:50 AM
Police have called it a terrorist attack. I call it Wednesday in Europe.
I have to be fair and more specific in my statements.
Just another Thursday in Western Europe.
Movie Max
03-23-17, 12:19 PM
If a Muslim is practicing intolerance for other beliefs, taxing, enslaving or killing non-believers, or embracing the concept of genocide as a way to establish Islamic supremacy over the world, they are directly following the teachings and tenets of Muhammad.
We've had two translations go public recently. These are their religious leaders addressing the gullible masses.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/imam-sermon-montreal-mosque-1.4037397
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/liberal-jewish-and-muslim-mps-condemn-imams-who-called-for-the-death-of-jews
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-23/police-carry-out-raids-as-britain-mourns-london-attack/8381344
Captain Steel
03-23-17, 02:21 PM
Terrorist identified: Khalid Masood
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/23/europe/london-attack/
https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17426262_10211308263213989_998162635963636590_n.jpg?oh=1f93afba871e88883fe8fb22b6dc4c5b&oe=596AD643
That is absurd. There's zero context to that picture, we don't have a clue what was going on. For all we know 20 non-muslims walked by without helping before her. For all we know the people around the victim are his/her family and she didn't want to get involved. There could be a million things happening that aren't EVIL UNCARING MUSLIM. Christ.
It's about time he dropped the hate and stand in solidarity with the police officer and family, friends and witnesses. Getting way too mean spirited. I think ash has well and truly made his point of why he started this thread.
Lovely tributes all over social media to the UK authorities and how they dealt with it. I also think the British press - surprise surprise - did an outstanding job. The rest of the world press should take a leaf out of their book.
That picture is soooo dumb, i'm amazed that someone would post it no matter what their thoughts are on this. The only way that picture would have any meaning/relevance is if someone honestly believed that all muslims are inherently bad people. Because for the picture to work it has to be that she didn't care because she is muslim; not because she is just naturally callous it is because she is muslim that she doesn't care. Is there no problems with that Ashdoc or does that sound about right?
I agree, Cam.
I'm wrung out by ll this crap in the world. For now I'm reserving my energy for all the people affected by shtty acts like that. Burst into tears when I saw a headline that one of the murdered was on her way to pick up her daughters. Freaking senseless.
And a big thumbs up for how the Brits conducted themselves as well. Outstanding.
http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article6018014.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/london77bombingstributes.jpg
There was a bit of a collective meltdown in sydney when the siege happened nd people were too scared to leave their homes but then everyone basically said STUFF YOU, you're not winning by having us afraid, and got on with things.
Movie Max
03-23-17, 04:11 PM
Man arrested in Antwerp is French national, weapons found in car: prosecutors
A man who tried to drive at high speed into a shopping district in the Belgian city of Antwerp on Thursday was a French national living in France with knives and other weapons in his car, prosecutors said.http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-security-belgium-prosecutors-idUSKBN16U1WD
Man held for 'driving at crowd' in Antwerp, Belgium
A French national of North African origin has been arrested in the Belgian city of Antwerp on suspicion of driving at a crowd, officials say.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39369202
Captain Steel
03-23-17, 04:30 PM
There's a thin line between not being afraid and being oblivious. People who are oblivious are not afraid, and some who are oblivious are that way by choice - through denial, refusing to become informed, or believing if they just keep ignoring reality, it will go away.
Sadly, being afraid, oblivious or courageous has no real effect on the presence & actions of an ideology that has already set out to murder in a 1400 year old quest to establish supremacy under what it considers a mandate from God.
Bravery in the face of those willing to kill themselves in order to carry out mass murder is not an effective weapon or defense against the suicidal.
Radical Islam will murder the brave and the fearful alike - it is indiscriminate in killing, with it's only preference being to target the most defenseless = civilians. Islamic Terrorists will even indiscriminately kill any Muslims who happen to be caught in an attack, considering them involuntary martyrs for the cause of Islam.
The Mayor of London said that terrorist attacks are just a way of life in big cities. This is only recently true due to the irrational Politically Correct mindset that engages in ignoring, apologism and denial. It is attitudes like his and those who came before who MADE this true when rational minds warned on how to prevent it.
It's the mindset that has openly invited and wishes to further import those who overtly or covertly embrace Radical Islam into the midst of Western culture to continually attack from within like a spreading cancer, and which, despite attack after attack after attack refuses to acknowledge the reality, while it's adherents say they mourn for the victims at the same time they continue their denial.
Wow.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/22/minister-tobias-ellwood-hailed-for-attempting-to-save-officers-life?CMP=fb_gu
Champion!
I had no idea that many Brits died in the Bali bombing. :(
gandalf26
03-23-17, 07:09 PM
There's a thin line between not being afraid and being oblivious. People who are oblivious are not afraid, and some who are oblivious are that way by choice - through denial, refusing to become informed, or believing if they just keep ignoring reality, it will go away.
Sadly, being afraid, oblivious or courageous has no real effect on the presence & actions of an ideology that has already set out to murder in a 1400 year old quest to establish supremacy under what it considers a mandate from God.
Bravery in the face of those willing to kill themselves in order to carry out mass murder is not an effective weapon or defense against the suicidal.
Radical Islam will murder the brave and the fearful alike - it is indiscriminate in killing, with it's only preference being to target the most defenseless = civilians. Islamic Terrorists will even indiscriminately kill any Muslims who happen to be caught in an attack, considering them involuntary martyrs for the cause of Islam.
The Mayor of London said that terrorist attacks are just a way of life in big cities. This is only recently true due to the irrational Politically Correct mindset that engages in ignoring, apologism and denial. It is attitudes like his and those who came before who MADE this true when rational minds warned on how to prevent it.
It's the mindset that has openly invited and wishes to further import those who overtly or covertly embrace Radical Islam into the midst of Western culture to continually attack from within like a spreading cancer, and which, despite attack after attack after attack refuses to acknowledge the reality, while it's adherents say they mourn for the victims at the same time they continue their denial.
Well said, was coming to post something like this.
Saying "we are not afraid" isn't really true though, whether we admit it or not we are at least concerned, tourism will suffer now in London. Walking past a follower of Islam we are again reminded of terrorism, we are thinking "what do they really think in their head".
gandalf26
03-23-17, 07:23 PM
I agree about the innocent who died and were injured, but I;m not going to assume it's religiously motivated until more facts arise. The same thing happened the other day in this very thread. A man pulls out a knife, yells allah-u-akbar and slits a guy's throat. People assumed that because he was wearing particular ethnic carb is was an islamic terror attack. It was a domestic violence and mental health issue. I;m not saying that's any better but let's call a spade a spade until we know more. If I put on shalwar kameez and a pakol hat which I own, recite the islamic creed in arabic which I can do, pull out a knife and stab my cray cray christian neighbour, people will assume it's an isis related attack. No, it just means the police should shoot me in the head.
You're right, I suppose he could be angry at the Government for the recent 5p carrier bag charge. Lets wait for the facts to come out.
Isn't that what I suggested the entire time. Yet I was met with lame insults like apologist brainwashed and mental health issues. Go figure
christine
03-23-17, 07:59 PM
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That is an unacceptable way to promote some kind of anti Muslim point of view. I take great exception to that. It's context is unknown. That's a young girl who is probably phoning her mum to tell her she's ok. This is just point scoring Ashdoc and is unworthy of you.
This is how we are in the UK - we go about our business. We won't be scared by terrorist attacks on our democracy, we will support our democracy to the end. In the height of the IRA bombings when we lived in London, we would still wake up the next morning and still go to work on the tube, and it's no different now.
Captain Steel
03-23-17, 10:46 PM
You're right, I suppose he could be angry at the Government for the recent 5p carrier bag charge. Lets wait for the facts to come out.
Are you in the U.K., Gandalf?
Isn't that what I suggested the entire time. Yet I was met with lame insults like apologist brainwashed and mental health issues. Go figure
the fact that you support the pakistani allegation that indian soldiers are murdering kashmiris is not great , dani8 . it means you are taking the pakistani side of the whole issue . you go further and say that kashmiris are pakistanis . now here is a nation ( pakistan ) that harboured osama bin laden . is not ruled by liberal values unlike india which is . why on earth would you want to side with that nation ?
you also say you can recite the islamic creed in arabic . that means you are deeply interested in islam and a sympathiser .
d_chatterley
03-24-17, 02:41 AM
now here is a nation ( pakistan ) that harboured osama bin laden . is not ruled by liberal values unlike india which is . why on earth would you want to side with that nation ?
you also say you can recite the islamic creed in arabic . that means you are deeply interested in islam and a sympathiser .
Your islamophobia is palpable.
Your islamophobia is palpable.
He's also prone to imagining things. He could have asked why I know how to recite the Islamic creed but instead he did the usual and ASSumed. I also haggle in Swahili, Japanese, Spanish, Thai, Bahasa, Chinese, French, Italian and Polish. I can probably also drag out my latin from school. I wonder what he makes of that. And I'm a sympathiser now? Seriously, that's the sort of crap I thought I left behind on imdb. Yes I'm a sympathiser of human beings. My bad.
He's a troll, D.
Your islamophobia is palpable.
It is very easy to talk of islamophobia sitting in a nation that has not yet been scarred by Islamic separatism. India ( my country ) was torn apart by Muslims who created Pakistan and Bangladesh amidst great slaughter .Pakistan regularly sends terrorists to kill indians and has waged war on india several times.
Your islamophobia is palpable.
And I should also say, last time I was in India I was befriended by some Gandhian philosophers who invited me to stay with them in Haryana. They were NOTHING like that guy.
Oh Nooooessss. My quiet Iranian neighbour is suddenly being very noisy. I wonder what he could be up to. Fancy that...he's playing with his grandbaby.
And I should also say, last time I was in India I was befriended by some Gandhian philosophers who invited me to stay with them in Haryana. They were NOTHING like that guy.
Tell me why you support Pakistan politically? Why kashmiris are Pakistanis and indian soldiers are murderers. I am sure you have been to Pakistan and your experiences there have been better than those in India to take the Pakistani side.
gandalf26
03-24-17, 05:52 AM
Oh Nooooessss. My quiet Iranian neighbour is suddenly being very noisy. I wonder what he could be up to. Fancy that...he's playing with his grandbaby.
You've mentioned your Iranian neighbours before, Iran is one of the more civilised countries of the middle east. Right near the top of the list. If you are basing your opinion of Muslims and Islam on people from Iran then you are deluded.
Movie Max
03-24-17, 11:56 AM
Why was he unarmed? Was he not working at the time? No taser?
PC Keith Palmer, 48, was stabbed to death as he tried to stop Masood in a courtyard outside the Houses of Parliament.He was an unarmed member of the parliamentary and diplomatic protection squad, who had served for 15 years.http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39363933
EDIT:
There is an explanantion that makes little sense to me...
Explaining why Palmer was unarmed, Rowley said: “Our parliamentary protection team are a combination of armed and unarmed officers doing different roles and sadly the officer who lost his life today was unarmed. He was supported by armed colleagues, who shot and killed the attacker.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/23/mps-honour-the-memory-of-pc-keith-palmer
you are deluded.
Yeah you've told me that before. You seem to have really nice social skills.
How about you tell Trump how civilised Iranians are!
christine
03-24-17, 12:17 PM
Why was he unarmed? Was he not working at the time? No taser?
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39363933
EDIT:
There is an explanantion that makes little sense to me...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/23/mps-honour-the-memory-of-pc-keith-palmer
Well you know most police are unarmed here, but I think most British citizens thought that the police guarding Downing Street and the Houses of Parliament were armed. Particularly as there has been attacks in the past like when MP Airey Neave was killed when his car was blown up by the INLA in the underground car park there back in 1979. It's a mystery to me, but no doubt that will be part of the enquiry afterwards.
It's really sad cos our Bobbies are seen as approachable, not like in some countries.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/24/last-picture-pc-keith-palmer-taken-just-45-minutes-westminster/
Movie Max
03-24-17, 12:26 PM
You can have non-lethal arms like tasers, pepper spray or batons and still be approachable. How do you protect others, when you're not given the means to protect yourself from a knife?
Movie Max
03-24-17, 12:39 PM
Wow!:eek: London, the liberal utopia...
A Blunder for the Books: Why Did Westminster Use Unarmed Guards?
The police constables are sometimes (but not always) assisted by yet more unarmed security guards from the Metropolitan Police P Division (Parliamentary Police). Behind the scenes, Metropolitan Police D Division (Diplomatic Protection) provide firearms support, although a cursory look at the weapons shows some of them aren’t even loaded.
Today the attacker simply had to overpower two unarmed police officers and he was in the heart of British government. Those officers could call for backup—but why weren’t the firearms officers at the gate in the first place?http://observer.com/2017/03/westminster-palace-terrorist-attack-unarmed-police-guards/
d_chatterley
03-24-17, 12:42 PM
You've mentioned your Iranian neighbours before, Iran is one of the more civilised countries of the middle east. Right near the top of the list. If you are basing your opinion of Muslims and Islam on people from Iran then you are deluded.
She is most likely basing her opinions on extensive traveling she has done to all over the world and many different people she met, including Muslims, along the way. Also, I believe she mentioned quite a few sources she reads to get her news that are very diverse.
One thing she is not doing is passing judgement on the world from an armchair stuck in her living room constantly watching one source of news like most people at least here in the USA are.
It's really sad cos our Bobbies are seen as approachable, not like in some countries.
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Your Bobbies are lovely, Christine. Once again, I think your guys and gals handled this all so well.
Movie Max
03-24-17, 01:09 PM
Palmer should be alive, today. That would be lovely.
Captain Steel
03-24-17, 01:21 PM
She is most likely basing her opinions on extensive traveling she has done to all over the world and many different people she met, including Muslims, along the way. Also, I believe she mentioned quite a few sources she reads to get her news that are very diverse.
One thing she is not doing is passing judgement on the world from an armchair stuck in her living room constantly watching one source of news like most people at least here in the USA are.
Here's the same exact logical fallacy used in two different directions:
1. Because there is so much Islamic Terrorism in the world, all Muslims must be terrorists.
2. Because I know and have met so many nice Muslims throughout the world, there can't be any such thing as Islamic Terrorism (and if there is, it's not a big deal).
Both are wrong.
Here's the same exact logical fallacy used in two different directions:
1. Because there is so much Islamic Terrorism in the world, all Muslims must be terrorists.
2. Because I know and have met nice Muslims throughout the world, there can't be any such thing as Islamic Terrorism (and if there is, it's not a big deal).
Both are wrong.
#2 that's garbage, Cap, and you know it. Point out to me where I ever said there is no extremist nutbags being terrorists in the world and I will pay you a million dollars, give you my first born, and the deeds to my house. Pull your head in and stop being so obtuse. I know you're not stupid so stop misrepresenting what I;m saying for christ's ske!
Movie Max
03-24-17, 01:29 PM
Some .au news...
British Metropolitan police asked for more weapons two months ago
THE BRITISH PUBLIC WANT THEIR POLICE ARMED
But there is no doubt that the spate of terrorist attacks, and in particular lone wolf attacks that have plagued Europe — so many of them inspired by the Islamic State — in recent years has resulted in a change in attitudes within the force.
The MBF survey carried out in January showed 26 per cent of Metropolitan police now want to be routinely armed — a jump of six per cent over the previous year.
The British public, however, have long called for their police to be more weaponised. A 2004 national poll on terrorism found 47 per cent supported arming all police, compared to 48 per cent against.
And in 2007, a survey of 2,156 people by think tank Policy Exchange found 72 per cent wanted to see more armed police patrols.
This morning’s attack has renewed public calls for all British police to carry guns — particularly in London and particularly for those officers guarding sensitive landmarks like the Palace of Westminster.
A scathing article by political staffer turned journalist Andre Walker published in the Observer online poured scorn on the practice of using unarmed guards to protect Parliament.
https://twitter.com/damygeebo/status/844715781724262400
http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/british-metropolitan-police-asked-for-more-weapons-two-months-ago/news-story/29a4c0e203263c28555a44d439b2ef6e
Captain Steel
03-24-17, 01:38 PM
#2 that's garbage, Cap, and you know it. Point out to me where I ever said there is no extremist nutbags being terrorists in the world and I will pay you a million dollars, give you my first born, and the deeds to my house. Pull your head in and stop being so obtuse. I know you're not stupid so stop misrepresenting what I;m saying for christ's ske!
I didn't say you said it. I said, here's the same logical fallacy used in two different directions.
I didn't say you said it. I said, here's the same logical fallacy used in two different directions.
Thank god. I thought I had to pay you a million bucks, give you my house and push out a baby.
OK back to the issue of media and terrorism, I just saw something trending on social media about criticism levelled at UK journalists for how they handled the matter. I dont understand the criticism. As far as I'm concerned they did the best job so far at laying low until facts came to hand.
Movie Max
03-24-17, 01:50 PM
OK back to the issue of media and terrorism, I just saw something trending on social media about criticism levelled at UK journalists for how they handled the matter. I dont understand the criticism. As far as I'm concerned they did the best job so far at laying low until facts came to hand.
Who do you think NYP quoted in their story? It was Channel 4.:rolleyes:
The UK’s Channel 4 News and The Independent initially named Izaadeen as the suspect, but several sources told BBC News that the radical Muslim cleric is still in jail and not responsible for the attack.https://nypost.com/2017/03/22/radical-muslim-cleric-mistakenly-named-as-london-attacker/
Captain Steel
03-24-17, 02:09 PM
Thank god. I thought I had to pay you a million bucks, give you my house and push out a baby.
OK back to the issue of media and terrorism, I just saw something trending on social media about criticism levelled at UK journalists for how they handled the matter. I dont understand the criticism. As far as I'm concerned they did the best job so far at laying low until facts came to hand.
But don't you realize when you or others call people "Islamophobes" you are accusing THEM of engaging in the first logical fallacy I outlined?
You've called me that multiple times, but I do not say that "all Muslims are terrorists."
I only have a rational fear (not a phobia) of the fascist political ideology of Islam that drives many Muslims to become terrorists and those that carry out terrorism.
But don't you realize when you or others call people "Islamophobes" you are accusing THEM of engaging in the first logical fallacy I outlined?
You've called me that multiple times, but I do not say that "all Muslims are terrorists."
I only have a rational fear (not a phobia) of the fascist political ideology of Islam that drives many Muslims to become terrorists and those that carry out terrorism.
What are you on about? You quoted me talking about the UK media reporting but now you're on this rant? Jesus christ, Cap. Put down the goon or just stop your blatant baiting,
gandalf26
03-24-17, 07:04 PM
She is most likely basing her opinions on extensive traveling she has done to all over the world and many different people she met, including Muslims, along the way. Also, I believe she mentioned quite a few sources she reads to get her news that are very diverse.
One thing she is not doing is passing judgement on the world from an armchair stuck in her living room constantly watching one source of news like most people at least here in the USA are.
You ve just passed judgement on me in the same way you lambast me for doing so against Dani.
I dont think D is lambasting you. She's a very laid back poster from what I've seen over the years I've known her. That second comment was a general comment about people, not you as an individual.
Time we all shared a peace pipe and think of the people who were murdered and their grieving loved ones.
d_chatterley
03-24-17, 10:50 PM
You ve just passed judgement on me in the same way you lambast me for doing so against Dani.
I definitely did not. I was simply voicing my frustration about the people around me where I live. Nobody specific. I actually thought you were from the UK.
Your accusation of Dani being deluded was very specific. I just gave you some reasons as to why I think you are wrong regarding her.
I definitely did not. I was simply voicing my frustration about the people around me where I live. Nobody specific. I actually thought you were from the UK.
Your accusation of Dani being deluded was very specific. I just gave you some reasons as to why I think you are wrong regarding her.
Dont worry, D. According to few people in this thread I'm delusional, brainwashed, an apologist, have mental health issues, and even a terrorist sympathiser. You know the funny thing is, when I broke down and cried at the 9/11 memorial museum helping an older lady who freaked out because her firefighter son died there, who helped me walk her outside? 3 middle eastern women. That lovely woman wasnt upset by what ever invisible friend she thought those women prayed to.
Captain Steel
03-24-17, 11:08 PM
Well, since we're all talking about (and accusing / defending) each other... ;)
I have to address Dani's assertion a few posts back that ashdoc is a troll.
The reason Ashdoc made this thread was because I kept posting individual threads about terror attacks (that's right, me = Captain Islamotroll Steel). I posted one after the San Bernardino attack and another after the Paris attack.
https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=43758
https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=43571
My guess is that Ashdoc was trying to establish one thread so people like me wouldn't keep posting new threads (on a movie forum) every time there was another Islamic Terrorist attack, because soon, that many threads would consume the board as the Islamic Terror attacks just keep happening.
Another reason Ashdoc is not a troll is because he engages in movie discussions and has started movie threads (unfortunately, most westerners on the MoFo are unfamiliar with a lot of Bollywood and / or "foreign" films.) I can certainly relate to people not responding to threads someone starts (I've got about 57 of them)! ;)
I have no idea what you posted before I came here. I'm going by posts since I've been here!
Citizen Rules
03-24-17, 11:17 PM
I don't always agree with Ashdoc, but he's a good guy and a good MoFo! And entitled to have any opinion he wants:) as we all are.
And let's cut the crap talk of calling people names when we disagree with them. Ashdoc is no Troll.
d_chatterley
03-24-17, 11:46 PM
But don't you realize when you or others call people "Islamophobes" you are accusing THEM of engaging in the first logical fallacy I outlined?
You've called me that multiple times, but I do not say that "all Muslims are terrorists."
I only have a rational fear (not a phobia) of the fascist political ideology of Islam that drives many Muslims to become terrorists and those that carry out terrorism.
As far as I am concerned, I don't call "people" islamophobes. I am very specific about who I direct that term at. When you make derogatory posts such as ashdoc, I will certainly call you on it. He seems like one and the fact he did not argue about it is very telling. If the shoe fits, wear it.
Also, if you really think fascist muslim ideology is the only or even the dominant force that is driving the radicalization of muslims, you are much more naive than I thought. I'm not going to get deeper into it but let's just say a person walked into your living room and told you you needed to go to middle east and eradicate all muslims in a certain town. You would probably laugh or think they are crazy, kick them out or worse.
Now imagine next day you come home from work and half of your family is hurt, maimed or killed. Upon some investigating, it turns out they were killed by a muslim person. Next thing, the same person from the day before asks and repeats the same thing to you. All of a sudden you might feel a bit more inclined if not completely inclined to go over there.
See, the text is the same, but your circumstance changed dramatically. In fact, the text has been the same for many, many, many years. It's the circumstance that has changed but we just don't want to talk about that because there is a lot of blame to go around for the circumstance and that is a lot more complex issue. It's much easier to just say "the hateful text made them do it" and leave it at that.
As far as I am concerned, I don't call "people" islamophobes. I am very specific about who I direct that term at. When you make derogatory posts such as ashdoc, I will certainly call you on it. He seems like one and the fact he did not argue about it is very telling. If the shoe fits, wear it.
Also, if you really think fascist muslim ideology is the only or even the dominant force that is driving the radicalization of muslims, you are much more naive than I thought. I'm not going to get deeper into it but let's just say a person walked into your living room and told you you needed to go to middle east and eradicate all muslims in a certain town. You would probably laugh or think they are crazy, kick them out or worse.
Now imagine next day you come home from work and half of your family is hurt, maimed or killed. Upon some investigating, it turns out they were killed by a muslim person. Next thing, the same person from the day before asks and repeats the same thing to you. All of a sudden you might feel a bit more inclined if not completely inclined to go over there.
See, the text is the same, but your circumstance changed dramatically. In fact, the text has been the same for many, many, many years. It's the circumstance that has changed but we just don't want to talk about that because there is a lot of blame to go around for the circumstance and that is a lot more complex issue. It's much easier to just say "the hateful text made them do it" and leave it at that.
He'll now call you an apologist, and ash will call you a terrorist sympathiser, and that other guy will call you delusional. Bloody hell. Wall.Head.Smack.
the fact he did not argue about it is very telling.
i have answered your islamophobia accusation in a post on page 16 of this thread .
d_chatterley
03-25-17, 12:12 AM
He'll now call you an apologist, and ash will call you a terrorist sympathiser, and that other guy will call you delusional. Bloody hell. Wall.Head.Smack.
It's ok. In all honesty, I would not be surprised at all. If only people new half of what is going on in middle east or even a tenth, they might have a different view. The war is such a terrible thing and seeing innocent people hurt in any country is devastating. But it is always the civilians who pay the biggest price, isn't it?
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ae/10/96/ae1096d4f18a40a73f71675ceb8b5846.jpg
Captain Steel
03-25-17, 12:15 AM
As far as I am concerned, I don't call "people" islamophobes. I am very specific about who I direct that term at. When you make derogatory posts such as ashdoc, I will certainly call you on it. He seems like one and the fact he did not argue about it is very telling. If the shoe fits, wear it.
Also, if you really think fascist muslim ideology is the only or even the dominant force that is driving the radicalization of muslims, you are much more naive than I thought. I'm not going to get deeper into it but let's just say a person walked into your living room and told you you needed to go to middle east and eradicate all muslims in a certain town. You would probably laugh or think they are crazy, kick them out or worse.
Now imagine next day you come home from work and half of your family is hurt, maimed or killed. Upon some investigating, it turns out they were killed by a muslim person. Next thing, the same person from the day before asks and repeats the same thing to you. All of a sudden you might feel a bit more inclined if not completely inclined to go over there.
See, the text is the same, but your circumstance changed dramatically. In fact, the text has been the same for many, many, many years. It's the circumstance that has changed but we just don't want to talk about that because there is a lot of blame to go around for the circumstance and that is a lot more complex issue. It's much easier to just say "the hateful text made them do it" and leave it at that.
There is much truth in what you say. And after being attacked I think every person naturally wants someone to pay - and the worst thing anyone can do is go off half-cocked at someone who just happens to be near them, because if they can't pinpoint the person responsible, then they just want to unload their rage on some stranger (who may be completely innocent).
And I will agree that sure there are many causes of radicalization in the modern world, there are combinations of oppression, economic invalidation, suppression, poverty, lack of education, unemployment, seducing the disenfranchised with tales of glory as a warrior of Allah. Tempting them with killings and revenge that their creator won't hold them accountable for and promising them all the sex they could desire with anybody... no age too young. These and many others are factors that can push someone into a life of Islamic Fundamentalism.
But for the most part these things apply to our current time. Most of these factors weren't really necessary centuries ago when the motivation was more guided toward joining the baddest dudes around who slaughter anyone who gets in their way, who will take and use any women they want, who will take and use little girls (even the Prophet is into that). And if anyone gives us any guff we slaughter their village, hang their mens' heads on pikes as we rape their daughters in front of the family. Then we gather up the gold and move to the next town where we tell them THIS we do for the new god, the one god, the Prophet's god.. so submit now to Allah (ie. submit to us) or die. And if we meet any resistance, we Leave piles of severed heads behind us to teach them who's side Allah is on.
Point is, Islam has a long historical basis in barbarity, in utilizing overwhelming numbers, in intimidation through savagery, using sexual assault and the most unspeakable tortures - it has these things as a foundation and those earlier things we mentioned were simply some modern tools (or prods, it you will) to coax Muslim men back to this fundamental foundation.
He'll now call you an apologist, and ash will call you a terrorist sympathiser, and that other guy will call you delusional. Bloody hell. Wall.Head.Smack.
no , it is just that you people live in regions that are largely nonmuslim and are pretty naive about your assumptions of islam . i live in a country that has many muslims and have had the opportunity to study them closely for years . i know better because my experiences have been more close and for a prolonged period , not just on some trip or vacation .
secondly , the liberals have got a hold on western media and they simply sanitise the news ; that is they prevent any act of violence by muslims from getting into the news . of course , something as major as a terrorist attack cant be hidden . but other acts are suppressed . this allows you people to live in a world of your own , oblivious to the rising tide of islamism . even the census reports do not show the full extent of increasing muslim population .
various tricks are used by the liberal media to prevent a backlash of christians on muslims . for example , the pakistanis any act of violence in UK are simply called asians in order not to stigmatise a religion or nation .
so i wont call d chatterley as anything . i wont call him names .
actually the same thing appiles to you , but your support for pakistani causes is something that you have not explained as yet .
It's ok. In all honesty, I would not be surprised at all. If only people new half of what is going on in middle east or even a tenth, they might have a different view. The war is such a terrible thing and seeing innocent people hurt in any country is devastating. But it is always the civilians who pay the biggest price, isn't it?
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ae/10/96/ae1096d4f18a40a73f71675ceb8b5846.jpg
I know. I saw it myself when I was in a war zone. Dreadful stuff.
d_chatterley
03-25-17, 02:26 AM
I dont think D is lambasting you. She's a very laid back poster from what I've seen over the years I've known her. That second comment was a general comment about people, not you as an individual.
Time we all shared a peace pipe and think of the people who were murdered and their grieving loved ones.
I agree with all you said except one thing. I'm a guy. :D
I guess I never really let it be known over on the AHS board.
I agree with all you said except one thing. I'm a guy. :D
I guess I never really let it be known over on the AHS board.
Secretive little devil. That's cool 👍 I luv ya.
Movie Max
03-25-17, 09:31 AM
I'm a guy. :D
ASSumptions?
:yup:
Movie Max
03-25-17, 02:10 PM
I'm just glad this problem is not specific in nature, just general.:rolleyes:
U.S., U.K. begin electronics ban on flights from several Muslim-majority countries
(http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/laptops-tablets-electronics-banned-us-uk-flights-middle-east-1.4041101)http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/laptops-tablets-electronics-banned-us-uk-flights-middle-east-1.4041101
Oh, and while victims are important, let's not forget to specify religion of person who clicked to start crowdfunding campaign.:facepalm:
London attack: Muslim raises over $30,000 for victims
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/03/london-attack-muslim-raises-30000-victims-170325094004245.html
d_chatterley
03-25-17, 04:44 PM
i have answered your islamophobia accusation in a post on page 16 of this thread .
You basically said your islamophobia is justified. I don't think that counts as a denial. I understand that from where you are coming from, the Muslims have committed plenty of atrocities. But what I don't agree with you is that you painting all Muslims as such. There are Muslims In the USA, Nigeria, Indonesia, Bosnia, and all over the world who are vastly different from each other on a cultural basis. A lot of them are more liberal than others and saying they are all barbaric and violent is incorrect.
I could have done the same thing and said all Muslims are peaceful and loving people. They are not and that is the difference in our arguments.
The bigger problem I have is you trying to perpetrate hatred using a photo of a young Muslim girl. That is a very blatant and inflammatory attempt in trying to incite hatred and propagandizing the stereotypes about Muslims that you have.
Statements like that are very dangerous and could cause harm to innocent people such as the girl you mentioned as pointed out in the article in the second link by the @Movie Max (https://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=91533) poster bellow:
I'm just glad this problem is not specific in nature, just general.:rolleyes:
U.S., U.K. begin electronics ban on flights from several Muslim-majority countries
(http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/laptops-tablets-electronics-banned-us-uk-flights-middle-east-1.4041101)http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/laptops-tablets-electronics-banned-us-uk-flights-middle-east-1.4041101
Oh, and while victims are important, let's not forget to specify religion of person who clicked to start crowdfunding campaign.:facepalm:
London attack: Muslim raises over $30,000 for victims
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/03/london-attack-muslim-raises-30000-victims-170325094004245.html
The bigger problem I have is you trying to perpetrate hatred using a photo of a young Muslim girl. That is a very blatant and inflammatory attempt in trying to incite hatred and propagandizing the stereotypes about Muslims that you have.
The vilification and ASSumptions that young woman received because of what she was wearing was mind boggling, but no surprise in this current state. People are so quick to judge without having the facts.
You basically said your islamophobia is justified. I don't think that counts as a denial. I understand that from where you are coming from, the Muslims have committed plenty of atrocities. But what I don't agree with you is that you painting all Muslims as such. There are Muslims In the USA, Nigeria, Indonesia, Bosnia, and all over the world who are vastly different from each other on a cultural basis. A lot of them are more liberal than others and saying they are all barbaric and violent is incorrect.
I could have done the same thing and said all Muslims are peaceful and loving people. They are not and that is the difference in our arguments.
The bigger problem I have is you trying to perpetrate hatred using a photo of a young Muslim girl. That is a very blatant and inflammatory attempt in trying to incite hatred and propagandizing the stereotypes about Muslims that you have.
Statements like that are very dangerous and could cause harm to innocent people such as the girl you mentioned as pointed out in the article in the second link by the @Movie Max (https://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=91533) poster bellow:
amazing that you mentioned nigerian muslims in your list of liberals . nigeria has been plagued by the boko haram terrorist group which is same as the ISIS and has created havoc in that country .
indonesia---do you know that indonesia was a hindu ( my religion ) country once ? except in the island of bali , that hindu religion was destroyed by muslims completely in the indonesian archepelago . today hindu majority bali is the most liberal place in indonesia , which is why foreigners prefer that place for vacations .
muslims in USA are less than one percent and not in such numbers as to make an impact . as for as where they are gathering in numbers ( like in europe ) , we are seeing what is happening .
islamophobia is a term invented by the muslim appeasement lobby in order to crush the voice of anyone who tries to warn about islamic terrorism . people like you ( who live in safer places ) now fling that accusation at anyone who raises his voice against islamic terror . as your mentioning nigeria in the list of liberal muslim places shows , much of the flinging of accusations comes from half knowledge .
read about nigeria's boko haram group to correct your half knowledge .
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-13809501
Captain Steel
03-25-17, 06:19 PM
The vilification and ASSumptions that young woman received because of what she was wearing was mind boggling, but no surprise in this current state. People are so quick to judge without having the facts.
Biased, yes. Mind boggling, no - considering what London and Europe have endured.
"but no surprise in this current state" is a correct observation after all the attacks and exposed terror plots in Great Britain, France, Belgium, Germany, Denmark, Spain, Italy, Sweden, Russia, and elsewhere as the increasing separation between Muslims and the countries that many of them refuse to assimilate into grows.
While at the same time Muslim populations within Europe increase geometrically, the number of Islamic controlled zones where non-Muslims are unwelcome and law-enforcement & emergency responders are too intimidated to enter grow in number and size, where mass rapes of European women by Muslim men continue to rise, and the influx of Islamists & radicalized Muslims (be they immigrants, refugees or those seeking asylum) who want to attack the inhabitants of the new places they call "home" grows.
I'm not defending the assumptions made about the photo - I agree with those who say it is pure bias because it has no context (one could easily comment that the western-European-looking white guy on the left is just standing with his hands in his pockets and thus white European-looking people were unwilling to help).
d_chatterley
03-25-17, 07:11 PM
amazing that you mentioned nigerian muslims in your list of liberals . nigeria has been plagued by the boko haram terrorist group which is same as the ISIS and has created havoc in that country .
Excuse me, I never said the list of countries were liberal. I just picked them because of cultural differences. Nowhere did I mention that one is more or less liberal than the other.
islamophobia is a term invented by the muslim appeasement lobby in order to crush the voice of anyone who tries to warn about islamic terrorism .
Oh really??:facepalm:
people like you ( who live in safer places ) now fling that accusation at anyone who raises his voice against islamic terror .
Wow, now you are really pulling facts out of your a$$. Nowhere did I condone islamic terror by accusing you or anyone speaking against it.
I accused you based on the inflamatory photo of the Muslim girl that you posted, a post you still fail to address because you know you were wrong.
read about nigeria's boko haram group to correct your half knowledge .
Really? Now you are going to bring up this one Islamic extremist group which should be eradicated and identify it with the whole country? You do realize Nigeria is a very diverse country with many different Muslim, Christian, Hindu and other groups, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nigeria
Boko Haram is weakening and will hopefully cease to exist soon. But of course, your focus was never on the extreme islamists only, was it?
Speaking of extremists, how would you like if someone based their opinion of your whole country on some Hindu minority extremist group? Apparently you have some similar problems in your country as well.
https://news.vice.com/article/christian-and-muslims-are-facing-more-and-more-persecution-by-hindu-extremists-in-india
I would never paint with such a wide brush, but you go ahead.
Captain Steel
03-25-17, 07:50 PM
d_chatterley,
Not sure if you were referring to one of Boko Haram's leaders or its founder, but you referred to the group as "him" and "his group" a couple times.
Just a point of fact for anyone's info, the name of the group isn't a proper name, but in English it means "Western education is forbidden".
"The group's official name is Wilayat Gharb Afriqiya, to designate it as a branch or "province" of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL).[15][33] Prior to Abubakar Shekau's pledge of allegiance to ISIL, the group's official name was Jamā'atu Ahli is-Sunnah lid-Da'wati wal-Jihād جماعة أهل السنة للدعوة والجهاد, meaning "People Committed to the Prophet's Teachings for Propagation and Jihad".[34]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boko_Haram
Wow, now you are really pulling facts out of your a$$. Nowhere did I condone islamic terror by accusing you or anyone speaking against it. .
So it's happening to you as well, D? I find that extremely freaking offensive and put him on ignore after he called me a terrorist sympathiser. I have never been called such a thing in the real world and wont take it from a stranger on the net.
d_chatterley
03-25-17, 08:02 PM
d_chatterley,
Not sure if you were referring to one of Boko Haram's leaders or its founder, but you referred to the group as "him" and "his group" a couple times.
Just a point of fact for anyone's info, the name of the group isn't a proper name, but in English it means "Western education is forbidden".
"The group's official name is Wilayat Gharb Afriqiya, to designate it as a branch or "province" of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL).[15][33] Prior to Abubakar Shekau's pledge of allegiance to ISIL, the group's official name was Jamā'atu Ahli is-Sunnah lid-Da'wati wal-Jihād جماعة أهل السنة للدعوة والجهاد, meaning "People Committed to the Prophet's Teachings for Propagation and Jihad".[34]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boko_Haram
You are correct. Boko Haram is a group and not a person and I should have referred to it as "it" instead. I will correct my post.
d_chatterley
03-25-17, 08:07 PM
So it's happening to you as well, D? I find that extremely freaking offensive and put him on ignore after he called me a terrorist sympathiser. I have never been called such a thing in the real world and wont take it from a stranger on the net.
Yeah it is. I will move on from this thread since it is just too much.
Captain Steel
03-25-17, 08:13 PM
Yeah it is. I will move on from this thread since it is just too much.
Oh, you guys!
christine
03-25-17, 08:14 PM
Ashdoc isn't a troll. He's been here a number of years and has done loads of interesting reviews on Bollywood films and also posted lots of photos of his beautiful country. I stand up for the right for him to post as many opinions as he likes on the situation in India, including his views on Muslims in his own country. We can all take views on what life is like in other countries from holidays or travelling, but we are not at the end of the day part of that culture or have any family history from there.
What I don't like is the transfer of views from people who live elsewhere or are from other other cultures superimposed onto my own country.
I just didn't like that photo you posted Ashdoc, it doesn't represent the lives of people in this country. We are not as divisive as that. We live together in this small island pretty well. We manage to keep our extremists under control, probably better than most European countries maybe? - even our only UKIP MP has just quit UKIP (yay)
Anyway, just saying :)
So it's happening to you as well, D? I find that extremely freaking offensive and put him on ignore after he called me a terrorist sympathiser. I have never been called such a thing in the real world and wont take it from a stranger on the net.
Yeah it is. I will move on from this thread since it is just too much.
I agree. It was obviously started with an agenda. See you in the film threads. Cheers.
Captain Steel
03-25-17, 08:27 PM
I agree. It was obviously started with an agenda. See you in the film threads. Cheers.
What do you surmise the agenda to be?
Movie Max
03-25-17, 08:32 PM
We live in the age of the muslim infomercial, and some poeple just can't handle reading the consumer reports.:( C'est la vie.
Excuse me, I never said the list of countries were liberal. I just picked them because of cultural differences. Nowhere did I mention that one is more or less liberal than the other.
Oh really??:facepalm:
Wow, now you are really pulling facts out of your a$$. Nowhere did I condone islamic terror by accusing you or anyone speaking against it.
I accused you based on the inflamatory photo of the Muslim girl that you posted, a post you still fail to address because you know you were wrong.
Really? Now you are going to bring up this one Islamic extremist and his group which should be eradicated and identify them with the whole country? You do realize Nigeria is a very diverse country with many different Muslim, Christian, Hindu and other groups, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nigeria
Boko Haram is weakening and hopefully him and his supporters will cease to exist soon. But of course, your focus was never on the extreme islamists only, was it?
Speaking of extremists, how would you like if someone based their opinion of your whole country on some Hindu minority extremist group? Apparently you have some similar problems in your country as well.
https://news.vice.com/article/christian-and-muslims-are-facing-more-and-more-persecution-by-hindu-extremists-in-india
I would never paint with such a wide brush, but you go ahead.
if that photo is so obviously inflammatory , there is no need for you to complain . no one will be fooled and the person posting it will be castigated for it . you are complaining because the photo somewhere shows the truth and puts people like you ( who want to pretend that islamic terror is not a problem ) on the backfoot . the muslim woman walking casually probably is an immigrant from a islamic nation that has endemic violence and is probably callous to the sight of a few persons killed in violence because she so used to it . doesn't care much....
amazingly , you call boko haram as ' him' and talk of 'his' group thinking that it is a person . once again exposes your lack of knowledge . you should call boko haram as 'it' because it is a terror group and not a person . and not knowing anything about a major terror group like boko haram also exposes you as a person with very little knowledge about islamic terrorism . it is africa's ISIS . but you are obviously ignorant about it . now i know where all the accusations of islamophobia are coming from---out of ignorance of true facts .
no hindu extremist group has created havoc in india comparable to the havoc that boko haram has created in nigeria .
now that you are exposed as a person with very little knowledge about the topic you are arguing about , i dont wish to waste my time arguing any further . i will rest my case .
but before that let me tell you that if this forum exists after 20 years and we both are present on it at that time , you will be forced to admit your fallacy . the native population of europeans is dwindling day by day and even schools and entire villages are emptying out . the present generation of europeans dont want to produce children and just want to enjoy . in america the same problem exists . but the ones coming to replace the existing american population are not muslims and america will not see any major outbreak of violence in 20 years or even later . but the ones replacing the dwindling european population are muslims , and once their population crosses the thirty percent mark in 20 years there will be a major outbreak of violence in europe . todays terror attacks will be pinpricks in front of it . muslims will try to impose the sharia ( islamic ) law in europe and the native europeans will resist , leading to full scale violence . you eyes will be opened to the truth at that time . beyond that i have nothing to say at present . i will post again only after another terror attack happens---and it will , judging from the way things are going .
d_chatterley
03-25-17, 08:45 PM
Oh, you guys!
You tend to trivialize someone's posts somewhat often on here Cap.
I admire it too, but I wouldn't cut my balls off for the cause. But that's just me.
Even though you apologized the fact you said it was telling.
Captain Steel
03-25-17, 08:58 PM
You tend to trivialize someone's posts somewhat often on here Cap.
Even though you apologized the fact you said it was telling.
I trivialize trivial posts. Saying you have to leave the thread because it's too much (and I take it you were not referring to the actual reports of terrorism which might indeed be too much for some, but to the responses of other posters) seems a bit trivial.
d_chatterley
03-25-17, 09:18 PM
..I take it you were not referring to the actual reports of terrorism which might indeed be too much for some, but to the responses of other posters...
Actually neither, but I will leave it at that.
Captain Steel
03-25-17, 09:43 PM
Actually neither, but I will leave it at that.
Now this cryptic, enigmatic, mystery as to what you actually were referring to is too much for me. (I may have to leave this thread and go outside for a walk or something to try to cope with the too-muchedness of it all).
Sorry for trivializing another response... again. ;)
FromBeyond
03-26-17, 07:46 AM
We live together in this small island pretty well. We manage to keep our extremists under control, probably better than most European countries maybe? - even our only UKIP MP has just quit UKIP (yay)
yay the MP for the political party trying to restore democracy to Britain has quit UKIP yaaaaaay
christine
03-26-17, 02:39 PM
yay the MP for the political party trying to restore democracy to Britain has quit UKIP yaaaaaay
Restore democracy to the UK? We have been a full democracy since 1928.
FromBeyond
03-26-17, 05:51 PM
Restore democracy to the UK? We have been a full democracy since 1928.
The British people have consistently opposed immigration since 1945, 4.3 million of us voted for UKIP and we only had one MP, there are two examples of how democracy has failed us.
christine
03-26-17, 06:29 PM
The British people have consistently opposed immigration since 1945, 4.3 million of us voted for UKIP and we only had one MP, there are two examples of how democracy has failed us.
A massively sweeping statement .
This is our system of democracy, like it or not. We had a referendum in 2011 to ask the British people if we wanted an alternative system and we voted 68% to 32% to stay with the system we have. This gives us a strong government (whether you agree with the present holders or not) not the weak coalitions that many European countries have.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/muslim-women-stand-solidarity-london-terror-attack-victims-westminster-bridge-khalid-masood-a7651361.html
christine
03-27-17, 07:44 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/muslim-women-stand-solidarity-london-terror-attack-victims-westminster-bridge-khalid-masood-a7651361.html
A good news report.
Information emerging shows that the man Kahlid Masood was a violent man who had been in prison several times for grevious bodily harm, assault and possession of weapons, and this is years before he converted to Islam. There's reports from a friend saying he even held a knife against his friends throat. He's already hurt people before he became a Muslim, and no doubt he would've carried on his violent anger even if he hadn't been converted.
The worry is the radicalisation of people inside prison. We need to do more research and deal with this problem as jihadists can radicalise already unstable people who being inside prison cannot have a counterbalance. In the UK the prisons are underfunded and short staffed, it's not only radicalisation that needs to be monitored, it's bullying and watching out for mental health problems, but that's anoher story.
I saw a quote in the Indie which points out that
Experts have also warned that Muslim converts are more susceptible to radicalisation as they lack moderate voices among friends and relatives and do not have the Islamic knowledge to counter Salafist (ultra conservative, fundamentalist Sunni) teachings.
A good news report.
Information emerging shows that the man Kahlid Masood was a violent man who had been in prison several times for grevious bodily harm, assault and possession of weapons, and this is years before he converted to Islam. There's reports from a friend saying he even held a knife against his friends throat. He's already hurt people before he became a Muslim, and no doubt he would've carried on his violent anger even if he hadn't been converted.
The worry is the radicalisation of people inside prison. We need to do more research and deal with this problem as jihadists can radicalise already unstable people who being inside prison cannot have a counterbalance. In the UK the prisons are underfunded and short staffed, it's not only radicalisation that needs to be monitored, it's bullying and watching out for mental health problems, but that's anoher story.
I saw a quote in the Indie which points out that
Experts have also warned that Muslim converts are more susceptible to radicalisation as they lack moderate voices among friends and relatives and do not have the Islamic knowledge to counter Salafist (ultra conservative, fundamentalist Sunni) teachings.
Yes, same with Omar Mateen in Orlando Florida and Man Haron Monis in the Sydney siege to name just two more examples.
A good news report.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/why-the-women-who-held-hands-on-westminster-bridge-were-wearing-blue-134731937.html
according to this report and also the link provided by dani8 , some of the women standing on the bridge were ahmadiya women---which means they are victims of pakistani fundamentalism themselves . the ahmadi sect to which they belong has been declared as non muslim by pakistan , which means they have been declared outcastes by pakistan . ahmadis are persecuted in pakistan .
pakistan does not even acknowledge its only winner of the nobel prize---because he is an ahmadi .
http://www.dw.com/en/pakistan-refuses-to-own-its-heretic-scientist/a-16133301
christine
03-27-17, 05:50 PM
That may be the case Ashdoc, but in British eyes people will not know that and will see Muslim women taking a stand. It's a good thing for morale and for solidarity.
I just saw on fb that photo of the young woman walking by was photoshopped. Unbelievable...but no surprises.
Captain Steel
03-27-17, 06:00 PM
I just saw on fb that photo of the young woman walking by was photoshopped. Unbelievable...but no surprises.
That's interesting because in the article that was posted (I believe by Matt), if I remember correctly, it had quotes from the woman explaining that she was there and how the photo was taken out of context. Now someone is saying it's photoshopped - which means she wasn't even there. She was either there or she wasn't. If she wasn't, then perhaps the stories about her being there aren't true - and if they're not true, then how do we know if the claims of harassment she's experienced are true?
I'm not saying it was photoshopped. If you're going to quote me then actually read what I wrote rather than misrepresent me - as usual!. :facepalm:
Captain Steel
03-27-17, 06:44 PM
I'm not saying it was photoshopped. If you're going to quote me then actually read what I wrote rather than misrepresent me - as usual!. :facepalm:
To correct I'll change my post to "Now someone is saying."
It's probably be a good idea to provide a link to things claimed like that.
Doesn't change anything I said, if it was indeed Photoshopped it would still change the original claims made by the alleged woman (that she was there) and bring up further questions as to if anyone even identified themselves as the person in the photo whether it was actual or Photoshopped.
There isnt a link. I asked the guys how they knew it was photoshopped so maybe stop jumping to conclusions like the OP.
Captain Steel
03-27-17, 07:00 PM
There isnt a link. I asked the guys how they knew it was photoshopped so maybe stop jumping to conclusions like the OP.
Fair enough. Until we learn otherwise, I'm going to go by the article (where she claimed she was there and thus the photo itself is real) hoping that, as a news outlet, they checked their sources.
That may be the case Ashdoc, but in British eyes people will not know that and will see Muslim women taking a stand. It's a good thing for morale and for solidarity.
the question before us non muslims is---should we consider the ahmadis as muslims or not . after all , the majority of the islamic world has kicked them out of islam and consider them as non muslim .
now these ahmadis were at the forefront of the pakistan movement . so they were partially responsible for the creation of pakistan . now there is a move by indian muslims too to declare ahmadis as non muslim . so far the indian government has refused to declare them as nonmuslim . in my opinion they should be allowed to remain as muslim in india so that they realise how much india is a better place and they are safer in india and start regretting the creation of pakistan ,
Captain Steel
03-27-17, 11:08 PM
the question before us non muslims is---should we consider the ahmadis as muslims or not . after all , the majority of the islamic world has kicked them out of islam and consider them as non muslim .
now these ahmadis were at the forefront of the pakistan movement . so they were partially responsible for the creation of pakistan . now there is a move by indian muslims too to declare ahmadis as non muslim . so far the indian government has refused to declare them as nonmuslim . in my opinion they should be allowed to remain as muslim in india so that they realise how much india is a better place and they are safer in india and start regretting the creation of pakistan ,
That's a tough one, Ashdoc, considering that one of the hallmarks of Islamic history is each sect declaring the others as "non-Muslims" (and then slaughtering each other as part of the overall ideology's mandate to eliminate infidels and apostates).
Oh look at that. I was lying when I said Muslims condemn killing people. What on earth was I thinking...
https://www.facebook.com/georgehtakei/videos/1444741952215257/
Oh look at that. I was lying when I said Muslims condemn killing people. What on earth was I thinking...
https://www.facebook.com/georgehtakei/videos/1444741952215257/
you first stop calling kashmiris as pakistanis and indian soldiers as their killers . as of now i count you as a supporter of the kashmir jehad launched by pakistan .
donniedarko
03-28-17, 02:08 AM
Yes, same with Omar Mateen in Orlando Florida and Man Haron Monis in the Sydney siege to name just two more examples.
Im sure most top Nazis werent great people before Hitler enabled them.
Doesnt make the ideology any less evil
Im sure most top Nazis werent great people before Hitler enabled them.
Doesnt make the ideology any less evil
Oh god, Godwin's law already? Your post doesnt even compute but good try.
donniedarko
03-28-17, 02:12 AM
https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17426262_10211308263213989_998162635963636590_n.jpg?oh=1f93afba871e88883fe8fb22b6dc4c5b&oe=596AD643
:rotfl:
Ashdoc youre a great MoFo, but come on man
donniedarko
03-28-17, 02:13 AM
Oh god, Godwin's law already? Your post doesnt even compute but good try.
Throwing away any Nazi analogy with Godwins Law has become the new internet shrug off.
Trust me i comprehend your point. Im just saying radical islam getting thrown in with the other issues these people have, does contribute to them commiting mass murder
donniedarko
03-28-17, 02:15 AM
Wut? The Abrahamic religions are all saying the same thing. They're all bloody bad and leave it open for extremism, as all ideologies do. You just hate muslims and cherry pick. That's what extremists do - they cherry pick.
Dear sweet baby jesus whose father had you tortured and sacrificed. Where are you now...:rolleyes:
Jews and Christians have moved on from killing infidels thoigh....
Also Jesus wasnt a pedophile :shrug:
so there are some differnences after all
Use your words then, mate. And maybe contain your anger for the British and the Maharajas that caused the problem decades ago rather than the Pakistanis your government tries to control. And Hindus have NOT been cleansed out of Jammu Kashmir - you've probably never been there You're as bad as gutter press with your fake news. As for your security forces not slaughtering innocent people, give me a break. It's no different to what the Chinese do in Tibet and the allied forces in afghanistan, Syria or Iraq. A dead innocent is still a dead innocent. :rolleyes: It doesnt get a hall pass because the murderers are soldiers. Terrorism is terrorism.
so in your opinion everyone else is bad . british , maharajas , chinese , allied forces in afghanistan syria iraq , indian security forces . and soldiers are terrorists .
what a worldview you have....
donniedarko
03-28-17, 02:18 AM
Oh Nooooessss. My quiet Iranian neighbour is suddenly being very noisy. I wonder what he could be up to. Fancy that...he's playing with his grandbaby.
For someone so "cultured" Im sure you'd know those from Iran are referred to as Persians
Throwing away any Nazi analogy with Godwins Law has become the new internet shrug off.
Yeah much like
Apologist
Terrorist Sympathiser
Delusional
and every other shrug off I've seen in this thread.
For someone so "cultured" Im sure you'd know those from Iran are referred to as Persians
Really? Really??? Well blow me over with a freaking feather. And that lil point of yours has to do with a thread about terrorism in what way?
:facepalm:
donniedarko
03-28-17, 02:23 AM
Really? Really??? Well blow me over with a freaking feather. And that lil point of yours has to do with a thread about terrorism in what way?
:facepalm:
I think you might be bull sh*tting about your qualifications...
donniedarko
03-28-17, 02:25 AM
Where in the Middle East hsve you traveled to?
I think you might be bull sh*tting about your qualifications...
What qualifications did I claim I have?
I think you might be drinking bhang lassi
Captain Steel
03-28-17, 02:30 AM
Jews and Christians have moved on from killing infidels thoigh....
Also Jesus wasnt a pedophile :shrug:
so there are some differnences after all
Jews have no history of killing infidels (other territorial reasons, yes). There is no mandate in Judaism to convert others or gain adherents. Judaism is not concerned with conquest, establishing a ruling global religion or in what anyone else decides they want to believe.
The only time Christianity killed people for being non-believers was during the dark ages when Jesus' true teachings were kept from the masses and replaced with corrupt church politics and pagan superstitions.
Christianity seeks to convert others in order to save them - on an individual bases - from an eternity of damnation.
Islam seeks to convert others to gain more soldiers to destroy the infidels here on earth and have more people for the Caliphate to subjugate.
I kind of sum it up as Judaism is concerned with living a good earthly life to be a better person.
Christianity is concerned with getting others to adopt a certain way (an entity) to ensure salvation in the afterlife.
Islam is concerned with establishing power in this earthly life, dominating the world and killing anyone who stands in its way.
And there are a whole lot more differences.
donniedarko
03-28-17, 02:33 AM
And since those like Dani8 are strutting around like religious findamentalism isnt a muslim problem, heres some fun stats
Pew Global: 68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
13% of Indonesian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
12% of Jordanian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
7% of Muslim Israelis say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
http://cnsnews.com/node/53865 (Pew Global Attitudes Project September, 2009)
Center for Social Cohesion: One Third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam (Wikileaks cable)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/WikiLeaks-1-3-British-Muslim-students-killing-Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html
Policy Exchange: One third of British Muslims believe anyone who leaves Islam should be killed
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf
NOP Research: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY
84% of Egyptian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
86% of Jordanian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
30% of Indonesian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
76% of Pakistanis support death the penalty for leaving Islam
51% of Nigerian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah
NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY
MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory)
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/strong-support-for-shariah-in-canada
http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good-news-and-some-worrying-results-in-new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/
Islam, Human Rights and Public Opinion (Durie refers to 2006 poll): 58% of Indonesians believe adulterers should be stoned to death.
https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2016/08/slaughter-silence-open-secret/
BBC (2007): 28% of Muslims in the UK prefer Sharia (37% for those younger).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6309983.stm
World Public Opinion: 81% of Egyptians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
76% of Pakistanis want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
49% (plurality) of Indonesians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
76% of Moroccans want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf
World Public Opinion: 64% of Egyptians said it was “very important for the government” to “apply traditional punishments for crimes such as stoning adulterers.”
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf
And since those like Dani8 are strutting around like religious findamentalism isnt a muslim problem, heres some fun stats
What's a findmentalist? Sounds a bit weird to me but I'll give it a go. I'm not religious though, so if it's about bashing a tambourine I'm out.
donniedarko
03-28-17, 02:36 AM
What's a findmentalist? Sounds a bit weird to me but I'll give it a go. I'm not religious though, so if it's about bashing a tambourine I'm out.
Fundamentalist-
a person who believes in the strict, literal interpretation of scripture in a religion.
I have no religious beliefs. How does that make me a findamentalist/fundamentalist?
Maybe learn to read. That would be a good start. TIA.
donniedarko
03-28-17, 02:51 AM
Youre the one who needs to learn to read.
The implication was that youre posting in this thread with comments suggesting religious extremism/fundamenstalism is no more of a Muslim problem than Christian. When the fact is, about half (give or take) of the worlds muslims are extremists
donniedarko
03-28-17, 02:51 AM
But your "Iranian" neighbors arent, so i guess the Pew research is irrelevant
donniedarko
03-28-17, 02:53 AM
:yawn:
Ive been trying to be more apolitical these days, just never am able too though
Youre the one who needs to learn to read.
The implication was that youre posting in this thread with comments suggesting religious extremism/fundamenstalism is no more of a Muslim problem than Christian. When the fact is, about half (give or take) of the worlds muslims are extremists
Do you smoke mushrooms on a daily basis?
donniedarko
03-28-17, 02:55 AM
Very innefficent way of taking Shrooms my friend
Captain Steel
03-28-17, 02:57 AM
Gobble them shrooms!
donniedarko
03-28-17, 02:58 AM
What i am doing is paying attention to your posts
Rubbish. They dont necessarily raise their kids to be extremists anymore than christians raise their kids to be crusaders or KKK nutbags. Disenfranchised people do stupid sht. Yes I do feel sorry for their grieving parents.
Youre saying those raised in Islamic households arent more likely to be raised with extremist beliefs than Christians.
But when you look at how many are extremists, even in the west, that doesnt add up
donniedarko
03-28-17, 03:00 AM
These IMDB kids need to grow some hair on their chest
Most sensitive lot to grace this forum, they love the ignore list though
;)
These IMDB kids need to grow some hair on their chest
Most sensitive lot to grace this forum, they love the ignore list though
;)
Oh look at that. How intelligent.
Yoda
this incessant imdb bashing is becoming about as thrilling as a Plasmodium falciparum
donniedarko
03-28-17, 03:17 AM
Well you dont respond to any of the posts about the topic, seems like my "Iranian" and IMDB comments are the only ones that warrant one despite those having the least depth
donniedarko
03-28-17, 03:18 AM
Im sure i will be on the ignore list soon enough though
5 years here and i havent even considered putting someone on mine
Captain Steel
03-28-17, 03:19 AM
What i am doing is paying attention to your posts
Youre saying those raised in Islamic households arent more likely to be raised with extremist beliefs than Christians.
But when you look at how many are extremists, even in the west, that doesnt add up
I will agree those Extremist Christians are nuts:
After winning the lottery, one pays their taxes then gives all the rest to charity!
One walks around freezing all winter because they gave their only coat to a person they saw was cold.
One ends up in the hospital when they refused to fight back against the person that picked a fight with them.
One family goes to the prison to tell the drunk driver that killed their child that they forgive him.
One family goes broke because they'd rather spend their time volunteering at a hospital.
One family brings every holiday meal, for holidays of different religions to a shelter to eat with the homeless.
Christian youth groups provide medical aid to Muslims in war torn countries (and one such group in Afghanistan ends up slaughtered by the Taliban in return for their kindness).
Coptic families in Egypt provide food, shelter and medical aid to the Muslim Brotherhood jihadists that a few years ago slaughtered their families.
christine
03-28-17, 07:20 AM
For the record, there's extremists in every religion and in no religion.
I can also take you out at night in my city and show you a group of Muslims who are walking the streets feeding homeless people of any belief. Another group opened a kitchen on Christmas Day and cooked Christmas dinner for homeless people, so Christians don't have the morale upper ground on philanthropic acts.
Anyway, all this entrenched talk is just divisive. Batting around a load of statistics doesn't mean anything to me, specially when they're quotes from the Daily Mail.
Movie Max
03-28-17, 01:34 PM
I can also take you out at night in my city and show you a group of Muslims who are walking the streets feeding homeless people of any belief. Another group opened a kitchen on Christmas Day and cooked Christmas dinner for homeless people, so Christians don't have the morale upper ground on philanthropic acts.
Anyway, all this entrenched talk is just divisive.
I think the situation isn't helped any by stories of demands they place on what is being offered for free. I can't relate to this mentality of constantly seeking some form of accommodation or appeasement. My manners are not compatible with this attitude, especially when I am a guest.
These demands are divisive. It is the liberal media that reports these incidents.
Some refugees turning down housing options in Ottawa, centre says
...families are turning down the housing that's being offered.http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/refugees-turning-down-housing-ottawa-1.3434746
As demographics change, food banks struggle to meet users’ tastes
And the food bank Mr. Syed runs was created in February specifically to address Syrian refugees, who make up about 95 per cent of the user base.http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/as-demographics-change-food-banks-struggle-to-meet-users-tastes/article32846528/
Surrey Food Bank struggles to serve Syrian refugees
But some families have specific diets that the food bank just can’t cater to, she said, and they are working with the Muslim Food Bank to try to bridge that gap.http://www.thenownewspaper.com/news/376437811.html
donniedarko
03-28-17, 02:47 PM
Theres also something to be said about how many Muslim refugees claim government services
Muslims have highest claimed disability rates in the UK (24% of men, 21% of women)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/WikiLeaks-1-3-British-Muslim-students-killing-Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html
Pakistani Muslims in the UK are four times more likely to be unemployed than Hindus. Indian Muslims are twice as likely to be unemployed as Indian Hindus.
http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/feb/20/race.immigrationpolicy&date=2012-12-05
Captain Steel
03-28-17, 03:13 PM
For the record, there's extremists in every religion and in no religion.
I can also take you out at night in my city and show you a group of Muslims who are walking the streets feeding homeless people of any belief. Another group opened a kitchen on Christmas Day and cooked Christmas dinner for homeless people, so Christians don't have the morale upper ground on philanthropic acts.
Anyway, all this entrenched talk is just divisive. Batting around a load of statistics doesn't mean anything to me, specially when they're quotes from the Daily Mail.
I think the Christian philosophy (if not all Christians themselves) does have the moral higher ground (as Matt's last post helps demonstrate). I don't think there's any religion on Earth that does not have a moral high ground over Islam since none of them advocate genocide as a basic part of their belief.
And, again, you have to look at the basis for the morality.
One philosophy states as it's basic tenets: love your enemy, forgive, show compassion, love each other, treat others the way you'd want to be treated, practice repentance & redemption.
The other philosophy states: submit to the will of God, [which is to] establish religious supremacy on Earth over all others, copy the example of a mass-murdering pedophile rapist, kill the infidel.
It's kind of obvious which philosophy is more bound to produce altruism and which is more likely to produce terrorism.
I don't think there's any religion on Earth that does not have a moral high ground over Islam since none of them advocate genocide as a basic part of their belief.
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Where are you getting this stuff from? You keep saying it and it;s blatantly incorrect. All the abrahamic religions advocate violence. Just not everyone who believes in their imaginary friend interprets those verses to suit their own violent and unhinged agendas.
Captain Steel
03-28-17, 03:25 PM
Where are you getting this stuff from? You keep saying it and it;s blatantly incorrect. All the abrahamic religions advocate violence. Just not everyone who believes in their imaginary friend interprets those verses to suit their own violent and unhinged agendas.
Please link me to any passage in the New Testament gospels of Jesus Christ that advocate violence.
The bible is both testaments. You know that.
Captain Steel
03-28-17, 03:38 PM
The bible is both testaments. You know that.
Yes, I know that. So, in other words, you can't quote any gospels of Jesus (the personage upon which the religion of Christianity is based) that advocate violence and that's because there aren't any.
Thank you.
So, again, where is terrorism more likely to stem from - a religion that does not advocate violence or one with over 190 versus that instruct its followers that they have a duty to attack, harm & kill non-believers, and which was founded by a man who orchestrated mass-murders, had people assassinated for insulting him, took the women of his victims as sex slaves, raped little girls and claimed that some god commands that he, the guy who committed all these atrocities, is the "perfect man" and the example all believers should follow?
Wut? I dont even know what you're saying.
Look if you want to cherry pick the verses that help you be a non violent, loving person, that's flipping awesome. More kudos to you. But why you so stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that moderate muslims do the same thing is mind boggling. Why do you think so many muslims in the world say Islam is a religion of peace, have a month of giving charity to the less privileged while cleansing their mind of sin, and never refuse lodging and food to 'travellers'?
You know I have to say on a lighter note that someone mentioned to me recently that it's pretty funny that someone who admits to being fearful of immigrants has an illegal immigrant who saved Murica as his avatar. I laughed as well.
Now if only you realised that all those abrhamic religions all have the same imaginary friend up in the clouds surrounded by angels and harps things might be right with the world according to captain steel.
Captain Steel
03-28-17, 03:59 PM
Wut? I dont even know what you're saying.
Look if you want to cherry pick the verses that help you be a non violent, loving person, that's flipping awesome. More kudos to you. But why you so stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that moderate muslims do the same thing is mind boggling. Why do you think so many muslims in the world say Islam is a religion of peace, have a month of giving charity to the less privileged while cleansing their mind of sin, and never refuse lodging and food to 'travellers'?
You know I have to say on a lighter note that someone mentioned to me recently that it's pretty funny that someone who admits to being fearful of immigrants has an illegal immigrant who saved Murica as his avatar. I laughed as well.
Now if only you realised that all those abrhamic religions all have the same imaginary friend up in the clouds surrounded by angels and harps things might be right with the world according to captain steel.
Now you're making me laugh. Superman is a comic book character (i.e. he's not real) and Chris Reeve is a deceased American actor.
Back to taking the topic seriously: I've never claimed that moderate Muslims cannot, do not, or will not ignore the violent aspects of their religion whether it's written in the Koran, the Hadiths or passed down by Imams in religious teaching. Obviously, many do not take the teachings or instructions to follow the example of Muhammad literally.
But the problem is there are those who do - all over the world - and in such numbers, networks and groups to make terrorist attacks an ongoing part of reality in over 60 nations - thus, global Islamic Terrorism.
I posed the question: which philosophy is more likely to produce terrorism, one that does not advocate violence or one that does. Obviously the one that does would be more likely to produce terrorism and that theory is proven in reality by global Islamic Terrorism.
I said nothing about the actor, or that it's a comic book character. It was funny. The ironing was delicious.
On that note, this is getting nowhere. If you want to live your life with a mote in your eye that's your business but it's too exhausting for me. Just stop spreading this constant misinformation and I'll leave you alone to be as fearful as you like.
Happy Nyepi
http://ceninganresort.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/g085-nyepi-2015_ogoh-ogoh.jpg
Movie Max
03-28-17, 04:08 PM
What's a findmentalist?
Very petty.:(
Typos happen...:idea:
abrhamic religions
Can you stop tagging me. TIA. And I have a misbehving keyboard which I've mentioned frequently.
Movie Max
03-28-17, 04:33 PM
No. There was no tagging, just quotes.
Max, you might want to avail yourself of the proposed forum changes thread. You've contributed nothing to this thread except to follow me around, try to bait, call me delusional, and everything else you've lobbed at me since you waltzed in here. Cheerio and Happy Nyepi.
donniedarko
03-28-17, 04:37 PM
Wut? I dont even know what you're saying.
Look if you want to cherry pick the verses that help you be a non violent, loving person, that's flipping awesome. More kudos to you. But why you so stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that moderate muslims do the same thing is mind boggling. Why do you think so many muslims in the world say Islam is a religion of peace, have a month of giving charity to the less privileged while cleansing their mind of sin, and never refuse lodging and food to 'travellers'?
The fact remains, there are more Islamic extremists than there are those any other religion. Even in the west
Have I ever said otherwise?
donniedarko
03-28-17, 04:39 PM
I said nothing about the actor, or that it's a comic book character. It was funny. The ironing was delicious.
On that note, this is getting nowhere. If you want to live your life with a mote in your eye that's your business but it's too exhausting for me. Just stop spreading this constant misinformation and I'll leave you alone to be as fearful as you like.
Happy Nyepi
Useless debating with you, you haven't bothered addressing a single point.
I havent seen you debating. You've behaved no differently to Max with your assumptions misrepresentations and accusations. I had never engaged with you before yesterday and then all of a sudden BANG. I have no idea who you are or what you want but it's getting very tedious.
donniedarko
03-28-17, 06:53 PM
I havent seen you debating. You've behaved no differently to Max with your assumptions misrepresentations and accusations. I had never engaged with you before yesterday and then all of a sudden BANG. I have no idea who you are or what you want but it's getting very tedious.
Just a discusision, thats usually what these threads are for...
I didnt realize you were posting without wanting to discuss the topic at hand
https://www.amnesty.org.au/families-killed-by-airstrikes-in-their-homes-after-being-told-not-to-flee/
Captain Steel
03-29-17, 05:39 PM
https://www.amnesty.org.au/families-killed-by-airstrikes-in-their-homes-after-being-told-not-to-flee/
Dani, just checking - are you posting without wanting to discuss again? ;)
Either way, I'll just make a statement for general consumption:
This is horrible. Personally, I do not condone airstrikes against terrorists if there is even the slightest chance that civilians could be hurt or killed. Unfortunately, in war, it's virtually unavoidable (unless you avoid war). And with Islamic Terrorists they make it a point to imbed themselves within civilian areas and use the innocent as human shields.
I commend the Obama administration for its aggressive use of drones and airstrikes over the last 8 years, but at the same time I condemn it because his administration's air campaign cost the lives of untold numbers of innocents in Afghanistan and throughout the Middle East.
Our technology has made us much better at pinpointing enemy targets and minimizing civilian casualties, but as said earlier, there is no way to completely avoid it in war.
The big difference between western forces and Terrorists - we seek to avoid civilian casualties while Terrorists seek to inflict them.
gandalf26
03-29-17, 06:06 PM
I can totally sympathise with the propaganda used by so called terrorist or jihadi groups but at the same time still absolutely not want immigration from these parts of the world.
In Iraq for example there literally cannot be anyone who has not lost a relative or friend as a direct result of the US and UK's ridiculous invasion and subsequent disastrous occupation leading to even now 14 years later a totally destabilised country. Whether those lives were lost by "collateral damage" from military action or by insurgent forces and later ISIS the anger is rightly directed towards the West for a complete catastrophe that we created. I don't think anyone would dare argue now that the removal of Saddam was a good thing, I think you need a brutal dictator sometimes to stop the Shia and Sunni tearing each other to pieces, the brutal dictator clearly being preferable to utter chaos.
Afghanistan too, how many soldiers or Afghani lives lost and for what? The Taliban has already taken back great swathes of territory, from the useless pack of junky Policeman/Soldiers that we left in charge, a great number of those being infiltrators from the Taliban.
We've been going around bombing, torturing, letting our intelligence community go around installing pro western government and the people of the Middle East rightly hate the west for it, and after 15 years of a war on terror things have gotten way way worse.
Despite the above the reason I still don't want immigration from many muslim countries is that they simply aren't civilised yet and capable of integration in a modern western country, their religion literally preaches death to the unbeliever, they view woman as second class citizens, keep them dressed in full body veil, many of the men go around molesting other women and children. Here in the UK we accepted a load of Libyan officers for training and they went on a raping rampage through the city in their free time, this was supposed to be the "officer class". They are too religious for my liking, want animals slaughtered in a cruel way because it is in line with their faith, cannot socialise with the unbeliever, secretly wish us death and destruction and preach this in their mosques despite enjoying the benefits of living here.
Captain Steel
03-29-17, 06:11 PM
Wow, Gandalf - excellent, excellent point!
It's a point that not even the "Bring them all here" crowd could argue with (although, I'm sure some will anyway).
gandalf26
03-29-17, 06:19 PM
I mean it must be terrible living in place like Syria, super hot, no infrastructure due to civil war, rival factions all over the place, you could die any second because the Russian airforce or a US drone has identified your neighbour as a target and they will risk killing you to get to them, if you are gay you must hide it or be thrown off a building, music forbidden etc.
If I lived in a such a place I would do anything to escape to Europe, totally understandable.
gandalf26
03-29-17, 06:32 PM
Wow, Gandalf - excellent, excellent point!
It's a point that not even the "Bring them all here" crowd could argue with (although, I'm sure some will anyway).
Just reading some earlier comments you get a sense of "you don't understand the muslims" or "you don't understand what's been going on in the world" coming from the liberals, not just in the forum but everywhere. My position is that I understand perfectly but still don't want immigration from those parts of the world.
I sincerely hope one day in the future there will come a time when we can truly live together in peace and happiness but that time maybe hundreds of years away.
Cap what's with the snide don't you want to discuss it again
Jab with a smarmy winky. This is becoming most unpleasant.
Captain Steel
03-29-17, 08:48 PM
Cap what's with the snide don't you want to discuss it again
Jab with a smarmy winky. This is becoming most unpleasant.
A winky face just makes everything okay! ;)
To be blunt - I was following up on Donniedarko's comment where he said your continuing to post gave the indication that you wanted to continue engaging in discussion - but you kind of scolded him for continuing to discuss with you as you continued to post.
P.S. Winky face! ;)
Que...he never discussed the issue with me. He was trying to troll me and you know it.
Captain Steel
03-29-17, 09:07 PM
Que...he never discussed the issue with me. He was trying to troll me and you know it.
If someone never starts discussing something with you, then how are they supposed to discuss anything with you?
If darko comes back, then you can say he already discussed this with you, so now he can continue(???)
I'm just trying to figure out these prerequisite discussion rules. (winky-face!)
Captain Steel
03-29-17, 09:17 PM
What... You are the most obtuse person I have ever come across on the net. Shaking my head.
I know this isn't my "Communicate only with lines from movies" thread...
https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=45325
...but I can't resist:
"Nothing stops. Nothing... or you will do the hardest time there is. No more protection from the guards. I'll pull you out of that one-bunk Hilton and cast you down with the Sodomites. You'll think you've been ***** by a train! And the library? Gone... sealed off, brick-by-brick. We'll have us a little book barbecue in the yard. They'll see the flames for miles. We'll dance around it like wild Injuns! You understand me? Catching my drift?... Or am I being obtuse? "
- Warden Norton (Shawshank Redemption)
;)
donniedarko
03-30-17, 01:52 AM
Que...he never discussed the issue with me. He was trying to troll me and you know it.
No trolling here, except the IMDb post. Rest were my real opinions.
Of course it's easier to blow off others opinions, as just trolls.
donniedarko
03-30-17, 01:54 AM
I haven't smoked my daily shrooms yet though, so hold your thoughts
https://media.giphy.com/media/PHwbMHMRtcpSU/giphy.gif
Yoda. Sorry champ, this guy who I had never seen before yesterday is not a master baiter? Even after you told him to pipe down he still keeps going for it. This is getting bizarre.
Movie Max
03-30-17, 08:31 AM
Here in the UK we accepted a load of Libyan officers for training and they went on a raping rampage through the city in their free time, this was supposed to be the "officer class".
At least your BBC showed their pictures and exposed them. We are faced with a whole other set of obstacles in our mainstream media.
It's fine to report when a refugee's been charged with a crime
What is equally problematic, however, is the way this story was covered in the mainstream media – many of whom were primarily concerned about possible backlash that would come from identifying the alleged perpetrator.
Take, for example, the CBC. In its story (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/west-edmonton-mall-wem-water-park-sexual-assault-1.3972344) about the incident, the CBC interviewed Mohamed Huque, a spokesman for an Islamic Association that works with Syrian refugees.
Huque was very upset. But no, he wasn’t quoted as being upset that a member of his community is an alleged predator. He wasn’t quoted as being upset that girls and young women were said to have been violated and abused. Instead, Huque was quoted as being upset that the man charged was identified as a Syrian refugee.
The CBC article muses about leaving this information out of future stories, to prevent an “unfair” reaction from Canadians.
In a follow-up story (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/syrian-refugee-west-edmonton-mall-sexual-assault-reaction-racism-1.3973831), the CBC included a sub-headline that quotes Huque saying the man’s nationality and status are “not relevant to the story.”
http://www.torontosun.com/2017/02/13/its-fine-to-report-when-a-refugees-been-charged-with-a-crime
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/foreign-affairs/isis-kills-aussie-baby-as-revenge/news-story/13b8dc3c86799fd84cf084ed00aafcc5
I hope these nutcases are all extradited and smacked down with the full force of the law. Imbeciles.
Captain Steel
03-30-17, 10:08 PM
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/foreign-affairs/isis-kills-aussie-baby-as-revenge/news-story/13b8dc3c86799fd84cf084ed00aafcc5
I hope these nutcases are all extradited and smacked down with the full force of the law. Imbeciles.
Hi Dani. Unfortunately your link only takes me to a subscription page for the "Australian."
I'd like to hear about nutcases!
Movie Max
03-30-17, 11:18 PM
Hi Dani. Unfortunately your link only takes me to a subscription page for the "Australian."
Same here. I think she was linking to this news...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3219095/australian-baby-executed-isis/
http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/an-australian-baby-has-been-killed-by-the-islamic-state-in-brutal-revenge-act/news-story/e6340e1d555526e7bfc54d7468b1f0bf
what is all this ?---
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/01/airports-nuclear-power-stations-terror-alert-government-officials/
Hi Dani. Unfortunately your link only takes me to a subscription page for the "Australian."
I'd like to hear about nutcases!
Sorry I only just saw your post, and I didnt realise The Australian did that. Not my usual paper. It was about the radicalised morons from Australia going over and with KIDS. jesus christ.
Captain Steel
04-02-17, 10:14 PM
Sorry I only just saw your post, and I didnt realise The Australian did that. Not my usual paper. It was about the radicalised morons from Australia going over and with KIDS. jesus christ.
Where are they going?
They're in Syria. It's where their baby was killed. Unbelievable
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/03/europe/st-petersburg-russia-explosion/index.html
blasts in metro in st petersburg ( formerly known as leningrad ) . terror groups from caucasius suspected behind blasts according to russia today TV channel experts .
Movie Max
04-03-17, 10:08 AM
St.Petersburg ...???
St.Petersburg ...???
yeah
People on fb are calling that fake news because it's on CNN. Wut? I have fb friends in St Petersburg. It's definitely not fake.
I havent seen the video and wont watch it, and I dont know how credible news.com is, but this is sickening, whoever did it. Insane cowards.
http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/dozens-including-children-suffocate-to-death-in-chemical-attack/news-story/9b58d2ef84a57c0153e94ada92cc1266
Captain Steel
04-04-17, 06:05 PM
Current reports say the suicide bomber is a Russian-born Muslim named Akbarzhon Jalilov with "radical" Islamist ties.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/st-petersburg-bombing-suspect_us_58e3497ee4b0d0b7e16417e6
That's strange, I thought for sure it would be a guy named something like Francis Matthew Christianson or Irving Goldstein because we've been told that the real terrorists we need to worry about are from Christian militias and Jewish "zionists." [/sarcasm]
Bizarre. That vid is geoblocked.
Captain Steel
04-04-17, 06:12 PM
Bizarre. That vid is geoblocked.
Apparently, Arianna Huffington doesn't like Islam or Australia!
Apparently, Arianna Huffington doesn't like Islam or Australia!
Well she should love us. We have Pauline Hanson, the Trump wannabee. She hates Islam so much she wouldnt even accept a free halal pack from her fellow politician. She probably thought he hid a bomb in it.
Urghh that's a bit too soon. No offence to anyone who has friends in St Petersberg.
Movie Max
04-04-17, 06:51 PM
They must be close to running out of underage boy and girl virgin first cousins in paradise, right?
Captain Steel
04-04-17, 07:03 PM
They must be close to running out of underage boy and girl virgin first cousins in paradise, right?
I'm sure you've seen this before...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqqK4ft7kZ8
Movie Max
04-04-17, 07:07 PM
No, I'm very behind on Family Guy. One day I'll get to it. Thanks for the laugh.:)
yeah thanks for confirming this is nothing but a veiled bash a muzzie thread, not that it needed confirmation.
Movie Max
04-04-17, 07:27 PM
yeah thanks for confirming this is nothing but a veiled bash a muzzie thread, not that it needed confirmation.
1. I don't think sane muslims believe in the paradise rewards and they certainly do not seem to be in a hurry to get to paradise. Like you, I have neighbours of various faiths and backgrounds.
2. You seem to be the one making this thread about all muslims.
3. The term "muzzie" is offensive and derogatory.
How is muzzie offensive and derogatory any more than aussie or kiwi! It;s an abbreviation. Deary me, it's a bit late to be PC in this thread, isnt it? I'm sure I would no longer be alive if my muslim friends were so outraged by the nickname. And how in god's name am I the one making it about muslims? This thread is as bigoted as the islam bashers and anti semites on imdb and fb.
Movie Max
04-04-17, 07:38 PM
:facepalm: Too many of your posts and questions remind me of something OdumC said...
https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=1674676#post1674676
I dont even know what you're on about. Must be some faux outrage there. Not much I can do about that.
Captain Steel
04-04-17, 07:49 PM
How is muzzie offensive and derogatory any more than aussie or kiwi! It;s an abbreviation. Deary me, it's a bit late to be PC in this thread, isnt it? I'm sure I would no longer be alive if my muslim friends were so outraged by the nickname. And how in god's name am I the one making it about muslims? This thread is as bigoted as the islam bashers and anti semites on imdb and fb.
I'm far from being PC (I say call people whatever you like ;)), but Max is correct - Muslims view the term "Muzzies" as extremely offensive. Same with English-speakers pronouncing it "Moose-lum" on purpose. Basically, anything that can be perceived as insulting Islam perpetrated by a non-believer is an offense to be punished (that's part of the problem with Islam - no tolerance) and the mandated punishment in the Koran for insults or for just being a non-believer is death.
Saying Islam is violent is also taken as an insult that is so blasphemous to the religion's self-label as one of peace that its most devout followers will kill you for saying that to prove how wrong such an idea is and that Islam is non-violent. What a vicious circle of illogic.
Do you even know any Muslims? Muzzie is certainly not a slur here. It;s a nickname, like Skippy. Where do you get all of your 'illogic' on Islam from? The mind boggles. As I said to that other guy, a bit late to be getting super sensitive PC feels in this thread.
Movie Max
04-04-17, 07:53 PM
The search features on MoFo are weak, so, I'm not 100% certain, but, a quick search of this entire thread shows me that only Dani8 has used the term "muzzie".:tsk:
Captain Steel
04-04-17, 07:58 PM
Do you even know any Muslims? Muzzie is certainly not a slur here. It;s a nickname, like Skippy. Where do you get all of your 'illogic' on Islam from? The mind boggles. As I said to that other guy, a bit late to be getting super sensitive PC feels in this thread.
From radical Islamists getting so angry at being called "violent" that they kill hundreds of people to show the world how wrong such an accusation is. (see the cartoon riots and Charlie Hebdo massacre)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting
The search features on MoFo are weak, so, I'm not 100% certain, but, a quick search of this entire thread shows me that only Dani8 has used the term "muzzie".:tsk:
And? I use it in day to day interactions with muslims (not Moose-Lums as Cap described. I've never heard that anywhere in the world so it must just be used in his town). I'm not the one bashing people because of what they wear on their head or on the beach, or for praying 5 times a day, which brings me to another point
Observant muslims are in and out of mosques or prayer rooms 5 times a day so if you smack some sense into yourselves you'll realise that terrorists who hide behind the veil of a book are NOT observant muslims. How hard is this to understand???
From radical Islamists getting so angry at being called "violent" that they kill hundreds of people to show the world how wrong such an accusation is. (see the cartoon riots and Charlie Hebdo massacre)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting
I saw them at the time. Far out.
Captain Steel
04-04-17, 08:12 PM
And? I use it in day to day interactions with muslims (not Moose-Lums as Cap described. I've never heard that anywhere in the world so it must just be used in his town). I'm not the one bashing people because of what they wear on their head or on the beach, or for praying 5 times a day, which brings me to another point
Observant muslims are in and out of mosques or prayer rooms 5 times a day so if you smack some sense into yourselves you'll realise that terrorists who hide behind the veil of a book are NOT observant muslims. How hard is this to understand???
Just curious, where do you get the idea that Islamic terrorists are not also observant Muslims who pray 5 times a day?
Now, I'm sure there are a lot of terrorists who don't (just like there are a lot of non-terrorist Muslims and people of all religions who do not adhere to their religion's disciplines or protocols for various reasons), but why do you think Islamic terrorists are not observant? They are often among the most literal adherents to Islam.
Among all Islamic terrorists, it's most probably fairly diverse, religious-observance-wise.
Some are devoutly observant (we know that), some are observant and really love killing, even if it's other Muslims they can label as apostates, and some are probably attracted to the whole thing because they are psychos who just love all the violence, raping and killing that Islam justifies (and they could care less about praying).
(and they could care less about praying).
Holy batman...which means they are not Muslims but are using it as an excuse to enjoy being radicalised.
Just shaking my head.
Now excuse me while I go and have tea with my butcher's apprentice who happens to be muslim to ask her what part of the word Muzzie hurts her feels and whether it makes her want to stab me with the cleaver, and if she has ever heard the word Moose-Lum.
Captain Steel
04-04-17, 08:19 PM
Holy batman...which means they are not Muslims but are using it as an excuse to enjoy being radicalised.
Just shaking my head.
Yes, I agree!
There is definitely a part of the population that becomes radicalized or converts to Islam because the ideology justifies and encourages their desire to rape and murder.
This is why conversions in prisons have become such a widespread phenomenon around the world.
What rapist or murderer would not want to join a religion that tells them "you can murder anyone you want as long as you call them an infidel and God will reward you for homicide in heaven by letting you rape 72 virgins"?
It's like a homicidal, mass-murdering rapist's dream religion!
Movie Max
04-04-17, 08:32 PM
How is muzzie offensive and derogatory any more than aussie or kiwi! It;s an abbreviation.
And yet, both ("muzzie" and muslim) have two syllables, six letters and require the same effort to write.:D
This is why conversions in prisons have become such a widespread phenomenon around the world.
Eh? That's because radicalisers know that the 'confessional' is sacrosanct. Oh C'mon, please dont tell me you are not aware of this. And what you are describing is a mental health issue, not a religious issues. You also continue to fail to acknowledge the abrahamic religious all promote the same crap. If I decide to become a nutcase serial killer, which is highly unlikely, I would extrapolate all the passages in the bible promoting slaughter of non believers and rape of women.
You want to use animated shows to bolster your arguments as a joke so here you go
Stewie (reading the Bible)" My my, what a thumping good read, lions eating Christians, people nailing each other to two by fours. I'll say, you won't find that in Winnie the Pooh.
Blaming it on - because god told me to do it - is about as rational as - he became a whackjob murderer because he watched Dexter, listened to death metal and played grand theft auto.
Oh and Azi, my muzzie friend, burst out laughing when I asked if she was offended by the word. Azi the Muzzie Aussie thought that was 'PC nonsense'. She also doesnt wear a hijab because she simply doesnt feel like it.
Captain Steel
04-04-17, 09:22 PM
Eh? That's because radicalisers know that the 'confessional' is sacrosanct. Oh C'mon, please dont tell me you are not aware of this. And what you are describing is a mental health issue, not a religious issues. You also continue to fail to acknowledge the abrahamic religious all promote the same crap. If I decide to become a nutcase serial killer, which is highly unlikely, I would extrapolate all the passages in the bible promoting slaughter of non believers and rape of women.
I've refuted this scores of times now.
One doesn't need to be an expert in religion to know this is not true.
There is no standing order in Judaism from Jehovah to eliminate all non-believers, nor to rape women (there is violence, but it is in the context of ancient individual incidents usually dealing with territory - but no eternal tenets for Jews to force conversions, murder infidels or establish global religious supremacy via conquest or terrorism as there is in Islam).
We don't even need to talk about Christianity since last time you weren't able to back up your argument that this Abrahamic religion in any way advocates killing non-believers or engaging in misogyny as Islam does.
The point about prison conversions demonstrates that it is the ideology of Islam itself that is evil (not Muslims) in that it appeals to criminals and terrorists and would-be dictators because it directly promotes, orders, justifies and promises to reward evil behaviors committed to spread the religion and establish it as a ruling fascist government across the globe. Thus, global Islamic Terrorism is no surprise considering the ideology it is based upon.
If there's any doubt to the inherent evil in Islam, listen to one of the highest ranking Imams in Islam and an expert on Islamic Jurisprudence, the late Ayatollah Khomeini -
"A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate vaginally, but sodomizing the child is acceptable.
If a man does penetrate and damage the child then, he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl will not count as one of his four permanent wives and the man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister.
It is better for a girl to marry at such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband’s house, rather than her father’s home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven." ["Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth edition, Qom, Iran, 1990]
Yes you do need to keep it in context when discussing the abrahamic religions! As I said before, you just cherry pick to bolster your own agenda. And I dont listen to any religious leaders discussing their interpretation of what their imaginary friends supposedly taught these days. I got enough of that indoctrinating crap at school, and by the anglican archbishop who is my sister in law's uncle. I talk to people who are observant religious people.
And once again, why do you keep bringing a thread on 'terrorism' back to islam -v- christianity? Never mind. This will just keep going round and round.
Captain Steel
04-04-17, 09:43 PM
Yes you do need to keep it in context when discussing the abrahamic religions! As I said before, you just cherry pick to bolster your own agenda. And I dont listen to any religious leaders discussing their interpretation of what their imaginary friends supposedly taught these days. I got enough of that indoctrinating crap at school, and by the anglican archbishop who is my sister in law's uncle. I talk to people who are observant religious people.
And once again, why do you keep bringing a thread on 'terrorism' back to islam -v- christianity? Never mind. This will just keep going round and round.
Um... maybe because of the phenomenon of non-stop global Islamic Terrorism that is the eternal mandate of the religion's founder, and is increasing in occurrences, numbers and scope worldwide? And the fact that you keep saying all Abrahamic religions mandate the same thing.
I'd talk about the global Christian Terrorism, but there is no global movement of Christian Terrorism (probably because the religion, unlike Islam, does not say its followers have to kill all non-believers to establish a ruling Christian Caliphate on Earth, nor did its founder mandate genocide as a basic tenet).
I'd talk about the global Christian Terrorism, but there is no global movement of Christian Terrorism
:facepalm:
I dont know why I allow myself to keep getting dragged back into your myopia. It's a wormhole. Keep talking to your imaginary friend, Cap, and I'll go back to movie threads.
Captain Steel
04-04-17, 11:30 PM
:facepalm:
I dont know why I allow myself to keep getting dragged back into your myopia. It's a wormhole. Keep talking to your imaginary friend, Cap, and I'll go back to movie threads.
You obviously want to learn more.
And here on this thread you will get quite the education indeed, one of a kind that many people are too frightened to even think about undertaking. Just remember, when you enter this thread, all that is inside is what you take with you.
You may not be afraid now, but... you will be... you will be...
gandalf26
04-05-17, 03:55 AM
They must be close to running out of underage boy and girl virgin first cousins in paradise, right?
I heard they've had to reduce it from 72 to 48, there is of course outrage over this. Suicide bombers have threatened a jihad.
Movie Max
04-07-17, 11:10 AM
Sweden ...???
Terror reaches sweden
https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/07/truck-crashes-in-central-stockholm-sweden
Sweden has celebrated 200 years of peace
http://one-europe.net/swedens-200-year-path-of-peace
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