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It seems Yoda was saying he expected people to use neg rep a lot more than they did so it was equal to the positive repping. Bring it back and we all promise to much more neg. It will flow like blood.

This forum just won't be the same when we get the next Medusa or Film Expert if we can't neg.

Wirhout even reading the posts you see all that red you know they were bad dudes.
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So is using a gun and shooting Guaporense for doing that, but would you do it? Is it necessary? NO!
Wow. There is absolutely no way to respond to a post like this...except maybe to negative rep it. Man, I wish negative rep was still around.
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With neg rep this was a cool, edgy forum. Now it is like Walt Disney owns it.



Being nice to someone has inherent value; you don't really need a reason for it.
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I will kill your wishes with kindness.
Man, I wish negative rep was still around.

And on another note, to think that there aren't reasons behind people being nice is naive or idealistic - whichever, it's the same thing really.



Nobody ever talks about this. It's always how being nice is always evil! People are so obsessed with the evil.
Evil? Wow. There is absolutely no way to respond...



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Originally Posted by Yoda
Being nice to someone has inherent value; you don't really need a reason for it.


Being nice sucks.

Nice guys do finish last.

When you are nice other people walk all over you.



Actually, if you changed the "thumbs down" hand to a gun, and "-1" to "BANG!" -- that would be so much more fun!! I would want the neg rep system back, then. Screw gun control.
Actually that's not such a bad idea. It would solve the main problem of neg repping, because if you seperate the thumbs ups and the bangs in that way that the bangs have no influence on the reputation points, it will be used much more frequently and won't be taken as personally.



Being nice sucks.
No way Nice feels good

Nice guys do finish last.
Who says

When you are nice other people walk all over you.
You can be nice and stand up for yourself People only walk over me if I let them



Being nice does tend to make people walk over you... but they're the kind of people that do it to get a rise out of you.

If you just carry on being nice, they stop.



Guarpornese posted his top 25 list in the 90's list thread even though I had asked everyone not to. Negative rep useful.
You didn't need the negative rep to see that he'd done it, and several of us replied to it anyway. So what was done with the negative rep that wasn't easily done by other means?

And on another note, to think that there aren't reasons behind people being nice is naive or idealistic - whichever, it's the same thing really.
I said you don't need a reason, not that there aren't ever reasons. Though if thinking there aren't ever reasons is naive, then thinking there always are is paranoid. Fact is, lots of regulars have more rep than they need for any practical purpose, so they have no compelling reason--even if you want to reduce them all to purely self-interested rep hounds--to give it out for some kind of unstated quid pro quo, which is what I assume you're suggesting here.



I'd like to address a larger point that I think is getting in the way of what I've actually been asking. I've seen several users talk about "being nice to everyone," or some variant. I think this is revealing.

When I combine that sentiment with the fact that, in my opinion, nobody's presented any practical use for negative rep that actually works in reality, I think it's increasingly clear that the problem a few of you have with this is not the decision itself, but what you imagine it signals about the direction of the site. You think it signals some kind of happy-go-lucky, bumpers-on-the-bowling-lane, no-sharp-edges community where everyone wishes everyone happy birthday forever and forever and everyone gets milk and cookies until their parents come pick them up.

I'm exaggerating. A little.

But MoFo's never been like that. It wasn't like that before negative rep, and it won't be like that now that negative rep is gone. Give it a few weeks and see if people are suddenly holding hands and singing songs together. Betcha they aren't. I'll betcha the only change is that the percentage of actual fights about actual disagreements goes up while the percentage of pointless rep slap fights goes down.



I'd like to address a larger point that I think is getting in the way of what I've actually been asking. I've seen several users talk about "being nice to everyone," or some variant. I think this is revealing.

When I combine that sentiment with the fact that, in my opinion, nobody's presented any practical use for negative rep that actually works in reality, I think it's increasingly clear that the problem a few of you have with this is not the decision itself, but what you imagine it signals about the direction of the site. You think it signals some kind of happy-go-lucky, bumpers-on-the-bowling-lane, no-sharp-edges community where everyone wishes everyone happy birthday forever and forever and everyone gets milk and cookies until their parents come pick them up.

I'm exaggerating. A little.

But MoFo's never been like that. It wasn't like that before negative rep, and it won't be like that now that negative rep is gone. Give it a few weeks and see if people are suddenly holding hands and singing songs together. Betcha they aren't. I'll betcha the only change is that the percentage of actual fights about actual disagreements goes up while the percentage of pointless rep slap fights goes down.
I never thought that. I think I gave neg rep once or twice and probably in the first few months I was here. My percentage is 1% or something. If I'm genuinely displeased with something, I'll use my words since I knew if I handed out neg rep I'd just get some back and it'd be a whole thing.



I vote we ditch plus rep too. I know, this isn't a democracy, it's Yoda's dictatorship.
Yup! Which, lemme tell you, is super awesome for me. The dictator. Wheeeee!

However, it seems abundantly clear that a democracy would yield the same result in this case, given the response so far. Though you huddled masses might not like my plan to abolish all negative comments, followed by abolishing disagreement itself, followed by any fountain drinks larger than 16 oz. It's for your own good, MoFos.

Indeed, I won't stop until everyone is joined together into some formless mass of humanity, smiling and agreeing with itself about movies forever. Yes, the removal of neg rep is only the beginning.



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To that end it was even anonymous at first, if I remember correctly. But it really irked people to get negative rep and not know who gave it.
If I'm remembering this correctly, when I first joined 53 years ago, rep wasn't anonymous (but long time members had massive powers of rep, truly frightening ones ). Then it was, and people started ****ing around with it. Then it wasn't again.

Personally, I never saw the use for neg rep - As people have already said: If you don't agree with someone, tell them why. There are times I need to be convinced about the merits of + rep but, on the whole, I don't mind it.
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Being nice does tend to make people walk over you... but they're the kind of people that do it to get a rise out of you.

If you just carry on being nice, they stop.
They don't do it to get a rise out of you. They do it to take advantage of you. And they won't stop doing it until you stop being nice and say no when they ask you to do something for them, which isn't nice.