MoFo Lists

Sight and Sound just released their Best Documentaries of All-Time list. Could be a good one for MoFo.

Doesn't have American Movie on it, so I vote no.

Or The King of Kong but hey

And yet it does have Man With A Movie Camera and at #1. Void.

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Add this list please.

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Add this list too please.

It's final! If Harry Lime wants it, we must have it.

I still vote for a MoFo animated list over that mess.

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I'd love an animated list as well. Maybe some one can head this like Rodent did with comics.

These are really good suggestions--gimme a day or two to finish up some stuff and I'll see if I can get a couple of these up later in the week.

I think I agree that we should do our own Animated list, though.

That animated list isn't bad. The order is terrible, but I like what is in it.

My problem with that list is that there are several films in there that I wouldn't classify as animated. There was already a discussion about it (that was culled from this thread and moved here) but that list has movies like King Kong, Jason and the Argonauts, and Who Framed Roger Rabbit, which have animated scenes/characters but are not fully or even mostly animated.

Very few though, and only ones considered breakthroughs in how they used certain types of animation.

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Damn straight.

I read (skimmed) the thread, too much this belongs or that doesn't belong going on. We need order.

You've got the wrong year for The River on the Ebert list - should be 1951.

Gracias. Correcting now.

Thanks. Also, I'm not sure why it's listed as if it started with the letter L but it's not a big deal.

More obscure? These are the most well known animated films in the west, basically. Would be nice if Gunbuster, Trust and Betrayal or some LOGH movie showed up, it would show that these critics are aware of Japanese animation besides Miyazaki and Kon (and I wouldn't consider Gunbuster and LOGH obscure stuff at all). Though I noticed that the people who made up the list are not animation critics but live action film critics.

All the more famous Disney movies, the more famous Ghibli/Miyazaki films, the more famous Pixar and Dreamworks films. There are about a half dozen movies there which I haven't watched yet though but they are all quite well known in the west. Most of these guys probably haven't watched much non-western animation as well, which is expected from American critics (notice the only-non western films are Miyazaki, Takahata, GitS, Akira, Night in the Galactic Railroad and Kon's, which are the only ones they probably know, even though Japan makes 100 animated films a year, the US makes 15 and France makes 10). Also note the typical bias of American critics towards personal family friendly films (Miyazaki's personal films show up in 3rd and 2nd place while his epics show up in the 90's and 80's, even though his epics are not considered inferior to his personal films by animation specialists). The only Japanese films that showed up are the most famous ones in the US (such as Kon's films) while even quite mainstream films in Japan such as Patlabor 2 and that Utena movie I nominated for the Hall of Fame, were excluded.

It's a pretty bland and uninteresting list even if about 40 of these movies show up in my own top 100 animated films list (the other 60 films that do not show up in my list are children's movies which is a genre I don't like and Waltz with Bashir which I liked but not enough to put into my top 100 list).

I know a few good top animated films lists.

1. Pick out the feature films using the IMDB tools from tis top 150 animations list (including shorts and TV series) as compiled in a pool of 140 animators in the Laputa animation festival in 2003:

http://www.imdb.com/list/ls000050035/

Though it doesn't include the new stuff and has a bias torwards olders films since it was made up of top 20 lists from these 140 animators and hence include the animations which influenced their work the most.

2. A good top Japanese animated films list is this (http://www.japanprobe.com/2007/06/22...anime-ranking/), pick out the films from the TV series and you got an excellent list:

Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
Castle in the Sky
Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro
My Neighbor Totoro
Ghost in the Shell
Princess Mononoke
AKIRA
Spirited Away
Doraemon
Fullmetal Alchemist-Conqueror of Shamballa
Porco Rosso
Gundam: Char’s Counterattack
Patlabor 2: The Movie
Voices of a Distant Star
Galaxy Express 999
Crayon Shin-chan: Arashi wo Yobu Appare! Sengoku Daikassen (movie)
Grave of the Fireflies
Howl’s Moving Castle
Wings of Honneamise
Gunbuster
Doraemon (Movie Series)

Only 20 movies but mostly great ones (most of these show up on that list you posted but without the children's movies mixed in: if they included Toy Story there why not the One Piece and Dragonball movies?).

3. The top 10 domestic and foreign animated films list compiled by animation critics for
Kinema Junpo:

http://letterboxd.com/sharkbait/list...n-anime-films/
http://letterboxd.com/sharkbait/list...nimated-films/

Interesting. I only have 3 Disney/Pixar movies in my top 100 list (3 Pixar, I didn't like any Disney movie enough to crack my top 100 though Pinnochio, Fantasia, Dumbo and Bambi.are very good movies). Try watching the movies you haven't watched from my top 100 list (I guess you have watched about 8 out of the 100 films there).

I personally would be hard pressed to do a top 25 western animated films list though because I generally dislike children's films, but I can do I decent list:

1. The Old Man and the Sea
2. The Man who Planted Trees
3. Tale of Tales
4. Up
5. Gandahar
6. Fantastic Planet
7. The Illusionist
8. Ratatouille
9. Time Masters
10. Plague Gods
11. Wall-E
12. Heavy Metal
13. The Triplets of Bellenville
14. Persepolis
15. How to Train Your Dragon
16. The secret of NIMH
17. South Park: The Movie
18. Futurama: Bender's Big Score
19. Pinnochio
20. South Park: Imaginationland
21. Fantasia
22. Bambi
23. Dumbo
24. The Wrong Trousers
25. The Simpsons: Movie.

A good list.

Indeed. Most hollywood blockbusters today use a lot of computer animation mixed with live action footage. That's why for my top 100 animated films list I only included 100% animated films.