Vegetarian or Non vegetarian?

Oh, wow... I usually respect the stuff you say, honeykid, but that's taking ignorance to a whole new level.

How so? I'm talking about the moral and ethical reasons for eating meat, not the way the animals are treated. That's a whole different arguement and one that's particular to each animal/meat/farming method.

Well, now you put it that way honeykid. I thought those two things were bundled together. Of course I know there's no moral/ethical reasons for not actually eating the meat, but as long as you recognise there are behind the treatment of the animals, I guess I owe you an apology. The latter was what I was getting at.

That's ok, Skepsis, no apology needed.

It's already been proven it's an unhealthy practice. End of health debate

Steve Jobs was a pescatarian...

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If I thought about it much, I guess I would feel kind of bad eating beef because cows are such nice pleasant looking animals. But chickens? Horrible looking things. No problem. Except one time I saw this documentary and this guy had a chicken on his lap amd he was stroking it and the chicken was clearly enjoing it, which shows even those subhuman creatures had fellings and could show affection. Gusess what is in the oven right now?Chicken. But I didn't kill it. It came from the market without feathers so didn't remind me of the chicken getting petted. Also it was in parts already.

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I've been a vegetarian for about fourteen years now. Don't think I'll ever go back to meat.

Here's an anecdote to illustrate why. Beyond whatever moral issues I have with meat, back when I first went down this path, I was about three months in, but hadn't yet fully committed to it - I simply hadn't had any meat in a few months. So one day I got a craving for a bacon cheesburger. I went to Wendy's and gobbled one down. I became violently ill, both ends. All I know is that if you don't eat salad for three months but suddenly have one, your body doesn't reject it. What the fart does that tell you?

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This woman isn't a vegetarian.



Parole denied for woman who cooked, ate husband

Omaima Nelson says she is a changed woman, adding, 'I am not a monster.' The victim's daughter and an original prosecutor in the grisly 1991 killing speak against release.


Omaima Nelson told parole officials: “I swear to God I did not eat any part of him. I am not a monster.” (Diana Marcum/Los Angeles Times / October 5, 2011)

• D.A. to fight parole for ex-model who ate husband's body parts.

By Diana Marcum, Los Angeles Times October 6, 2011


Reporting from Chowchilla, Calif. -- A woman who killed, dismembered and cooked her husband was deemed a risk to society and denied parole Wednesday in a lengthy and at times emotional hearing.

Omaima Nelson, 43, a former nanny commonly compared to the fictional cannibal killer Hannibal Lecter at the time of the murder in 1991, held that she was a changed woman, eager to live the "good life God meant."

But first came the recounting of Nelson's earlier life: by her account, the victim of almost unimaginable abuse as a child in Egypt. Later, a beauty with cut-glass cheekbones, who by prosecution accounts, traded on her sexuality for rent and cars from a long, overlapping line of men — most of them older.

Orange County Senior Deputy Dist. Atty. Randy Pawloski, an original prosecutor in the case who took the unusual step of personally attending the hearing at the Central California Women's Facility in Chowchilla, said Nelson had a pattern of using sex as a con game, and that her games grew increasingly violent over the years.

In 1991 she met William Nelson in a bar playing pool, and within weeks they were married. Omaima Nelson says it was only then that her husband showed a violent side. She said he was trying to strangle her when she hit him with a lamp, stabbed him with scissors and killed him.

"If I didn't defend my life, I would have been dead. I'm sorry it happened, but I'm glad I lived," she said.

"I'm sorry I dismembered him."

The marriage lasted three weeks.

"The honeymoon ended as dramatically as any in American history," Pawloski told the two-person panel, echoing an opinion that appellate court Justice William Bedsworth wrote in 2000 upholding her murder conviction

In the earlier court trial, a psychiatrist testified that Nelson said she put on red shoes, a red hat and red lipstick before chopping up and cooking her husband's body. She said she prepared his ribs like in a restaurant and said aloud, "It's so sweet."

At the parole hearing, Nelson shook her head vehemently and grimaced as she denied eating her husband.

"I swear to God I did not eat any part of him. I am not a monster," she said.

Commissioner Cynthia Fritz then asked, "What was your purpose in cooking him?"

Nelson declined to answer.

Nelson, her straight, black hair hanging almost to her waist, her face only gently lined with age, said she was not the person she was 20 years ago, a woman who "refused to let go of any pain anyone had ever caused her."

She said she had "looked for love in all the wrong places ... but now I value my integrity and my journey.... I have a strong desire to help others."

She told the board that she was grateful for the grace of God and her family and if released would return to live with her mother in Egypt.

As evidence of change, she cited visits she shared with her deceased latest husband, a man in his 70s whom she married while in prison.

"We had three-day conjugal visits," she said. "There were knives in the kitchen. He never felt threatened or endangered in any way. I loved him so much."

The last person to speak before deliberations was Nelson's 35-year-old daughter, Margaret.

It took her several moments to compose herself before she could read a written statement about not having her father at her wedding, or being able to introduce him to her 8-week-old daughter.

She revealed that her father had invited her to that fateful Thanksgiving dinner to meet his new wife. She had angrily refused, but she said he had remained kind and patient.

Margaret Nelson said the reason she was at the hearing was to "return some human dignity to the man who was my father."

Abandoning her written notes, she tearfully looked straight at the two-person board.

"I don't know the adequate punishment for a murderer who doesn't even leave a family a body to mourn over. But I do know you don't let her out," she said.

Nothing bad. 'Violently' ill and vomiting seems very strange especially after only 3 months, as long as you are sensible and come back onto any food a bit at a time and not all at once, really the only thing if something should happen is a dicky stomach/stomach related things with it getting back to normal.

My brother was a vegetarian for a year or so during his 30s, decided to go back to meat and all he got was mild upset stomach getting back use to the different food source - and nothing else. Parents were for a while during the 70s and 80s, bit of excess farting/dicky stomach... nothing else.

Meat for the majority of their lives - Brother in his 40s, still healthy, parents in their 60s, no health problems so far and all three have never been into hospital for related issues.

An Uncle who was a vegetarian for the majority of his life - died of cancer a few years back in his 40s.

All the above and what Doctors say, is all the proof I need that there is nothing wrong with eating meat moderately.

Yeah, but was it the meat's fault or was it the way Wendy's prepared the sandwich? Personally, I once became violently ill like that -- without having the flu or anything -- years ago after having ate at a new chinese buffet. God, that was unreal. Went home sick and the next day I was fine. I hadn't been off meat in three months, though. It just randomly happened. I just wonder ... what if you had ate meat prepared some other way -- would the same thing had happened?

Not discounting vegetarianism - I find it fascinating and I actually do think it's a gross thing to eat dead animals, but prepared as food, I usually never think about it. Vegetarian options just seem too bland and limiting to me. Every now and then, I don't mind eating a dish that contains only vegetables, but I find it pleasurable to bite into something such as hot, fried chicken. With sauces... honey mustard and buffalo. You can't get the same feeling from vegetables. Maybe it's best to sacrifice those feelings in order to stay healthy -- I've heard not eating meat is the best way to prevent a heart attack -- but I dunno, I would think I'd feel like I hadn't truly enjoyed life if I didn't eat meat. I understand that's probably a crazy thing to say, because I'm sure you can, but to always pass up the chance to eat meat....

I could go for an eggplant parmesan sub right now, though. I LOVE those.



I could possibly eat this meal for the rest of my life. Maybe. If forced to, I could handle it and still be moderately happy.

Well, maybe. I just remembered I love Italian subs too much -- and they have lots of salami and things.

I actually think chickens are very pretty. I feel kinda the opposite -- the cows seem less pleasant to me than chickens. But then again, cows have always deeply annoyed me for various reasons.

^ Not pretty when they chase you, they suddenly turn, TURN! I remember when I was little, didn't do anything to it, this little grey one chased me right across a farmer's field...

Never been chased by a cow. Cows are nice.

OH MY GOD.

The graduation ceremony -- they're about to become McNuggets!

Nausicaa, after seeing this picture, I think the chickens have every right to attack us.

Indeed, but not my one. They were only on the farm for eggs/and think the grey one was a pet, got to run around everywhere and lived out their days in comfort - well compared to that above. No right at all I say!

THIS is why I do not like cows!

I once trekked my way through a field in West Virginia where some cows lived and I had to literally jump across these. They were everywhere.

I had the same thing happen to me with gluten, a man-made protein found in all wheat and flour now. HOWEVER, that's the difference, gluten isn't natural, it's not supposed to be in my body. Humans were designed to eat meat and plants, and back when I could eat fast food I would get sick anyway regardless of how long it was out of my system. What the fart does that tell you? I've known other vegetarians quit and go back to meat at a steady pace, and they were fine.

I dunno man, Wendy's makes me violently ill and I eat meat pretty frequently.

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Not quite vegetarian, but I don't eat alot of red meat at all, maybe once or twice over the course of couple weeks.

Nothing to do with moral or ethical leanings, it just makes me feel kinda sluggish.

I don't eat at any of those fast food places at all, though. It makes me feel queasy for a couple days. I can't digest that stuff.

I don't get violently ill from Wendy's. Or anyplace else, really. Just that old chinese buffet -- and I actually dared to go back to that place more, too. Didn't have it happen to me again after that first time.

Is this something that happens in your 30's?