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Both are good films that didn't come close to making my list, whether due to where I rank them or if they are actually film noirs...but I guess they are, at least technically. It's going to be interesting to look at the finished list and what made it and the overall noirness of the list.
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"Don't be so gloomy. After all it's not that awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."