I think she was obviously a spoiled brat. She was very high maintenance, very demanding, and lacked empathy. I think her personality and certain subtle details hinted that she came from a rich family and was used to being pampered, and she was also used to men serving her like slaves because she was pretty. She was narcissistic. I viewed her as a villain. The way she manipulated the young man who was clearly in love with her, had no sympathy for him, justified her own cruel behavior towards him, and would have killed him gladly and manipulated him further if not for his friend who actually saved his life when they left him behind (though he still lost his life later). What I liked was how she seemed charming and sympathetic at first, but you got to know her true character gradually. It was superb writing. I think The Shooting is my favorite on this list, and it will also place high on my Western Countdown list. I liked it more than my own submission.
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It's kinda hard to figure which of the noms will do good and which will come in towards the bottom. It seems every movie had it's fans and it's detractors, which means we had a great selection of noms to choose from
The questions I have are:
How highly did people rate The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly? Did a lot of people place it high, or did a lot of people choose less obvious choices over it and place it more in the middle?
Two that are obviously in the running for first place are The Shooting and Who Shot Liberty Vallance. So what are the other three?
It could be The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, Rio Bravo, The Ox-Bow Incident or The Great Silence. Of those four, only one isn't in the running based on what ahwell said. I'm really not sure which one though. But, I do think Ox-Bow is most likely in the running.
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...The questions I have are:
How highly did people rate The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly? Did a lot of people place it high, or did a lot of people choose less obvious choices over it and place it more in the middle?
How highly did people rate The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly? Did a lot of people place it high, or did a lot of people choose less obvious choices over it and place it more in the middle?
https://www.movieforums.com/reviews/...higher/429/any
Two that are obviously in the running for first place are The Shooting and Who Shot Liberty Vallance. So what are the other three?
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Ox bow, Liberty, the shooting and Silence seemed to be top reviewed.
My prediction is as follows:
8 The Cowboys (Zotis is correct in his summation of it being the weakest of the Wayne nominees
7. the salvation
6. the Good the Bad and The Ugly
5. Rio bravo
4. The great silence
3. The shooting
2. Liberty valance
1. Ox Bow
Please not this does not reflect my ballot
My prediction is as follows:
8 The Cowboys (Zotis is correct in his summation of it being the weakest of the Wayne nominees
7. the salvation
6. the Good the Bad and The Ugly
5. Rio bravo
4. The great silence
3. The shooting
2. Liberty valance
1. Ox Bow
Please not this does not reflect my ballot
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I think she was obviously a spoiled brat. She was very high maintenance, very demanding, and lacked empathy. I think her personality and certain subtle details hinted that she came from a rich family and was used to being pampered, and she was also used to men serving her like slaves because she was pretty. She was narcissistic. I viewed her as a villain. The way she manipulated the young man who was clearly in love with her, had no sympathy for him, justified her own cruel behavior towards him, and would have killed him gladly and manipulated him further if not for his friend who actually saved his life when they left him behind (though he still lost his life later). What I liked was how she seemed charming and sympathetic at first, but you got to know her true character gradually. It was superb writing. I think The Shooting is my favorite on this list, and it will also place high on my Western Countdown list. I liked it more than my own submission.
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Interesting reading erveryone’s predictions! No one has got it completely right yet (and of course evil Dr. Ed has yet to ruin the current placement with his ballot )
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Interesting reading erveryone’s predictions! No one has got it completely right yet (and of course evil Dr. Ed has yet to ruin the current placement with his ballot )
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Reading this makes me realize you’re more correct then I was
To execute such realistic characters you have to have three people with a lot of self-awareness and understanding of psychology, the writer, the director, and the actor. It's very rare that all three come together like this. But for me this sets the bar for the par excellence that I hold other movies to. Which is why I wasn't impressed with the drunk acting in Ox-Bow, even though Ox-Bow was still a very good movie.
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Well, ahwell said The Shooting could surpass the top 4, so I guess it's in 5th place, but it's very close.
My prediction:
8. The Salvation
7. The Cowboys
6. The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
5. Rio Bravo
4. The Great Silence
3. The Ox-Bow Incident
2. The Shooting
1. Liberty Valance
I basically copied and pasted Wyldesyde19's and swapped a few.
My prediction:
8. The Salvation
7. The Cowboys
6. The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
5. Rio Bravo
4. The Great Silence
3. The Ox-Bow Incident
2. The Shooting
1. Liberty Valance
I basically copied and pasted Wyldesyde19's and swapped a few.
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Interesting reading erveryone’s predictions! No one has got it completely right yet (and of course evil Dr. Ed has yet to ruin the current placement with his ballot )
Ha...I think I'll wait for evil Dr. Ed to send his nom, then I'll make a prediction.
though I gotta admit this will be the first time I'm seriously aware of how much my down to the wire turns everything into a roulette wheel. I'm actually a little nervous about it all.
Not a lot. Just a little.
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I think she was obviously a spoiled brat. She was very high maintenance, very demanding, and lacked empathy. I think her personality and certain subtle details hinted that she came from a rich family and was used to being pampered, and she was also used to men serving her like slaves because she was pretty. She was narcissistic. I viewed her as a villain. The way she manipulated the young man who was clearly in love with her, had no sympathy for him, justified her own cruel behavior towards him, and would have killed him gladly and manipulated him further if not for his friend who actually saved his life when they left him behind (though he still lost his life later). What I liked was how she seemed charming and sympathetic at first, but you got to know her true character gradually. It was superb writing. I think The Shooting is my favorite on this list, and it will also place high on my Western Countdown list. I liked it more than my own submission.
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Ox bow, Liberty, the shooting and Silence seemed to be top reviewed.
My prediction is as follows:
8 The Cowboys (Zotis is correct in his summation of it being the weakest of the Wayne nominees
7. the salvation
6. the Good the Bad and The Ugly
5. Rio bravo
4. The great silence
3. The shooting
2. Liberty valance
1. Ox Bow
Please not this does not reflect my ballot
My prediction is as follows:
8 The Cowboys (Zotis is correct in his summation of it being the weakest of the Wayne nominees
7. the salvation
6. the Good the Bad and The Ugly
5. Rio bravo
4. The great silence
3. The shooting
2. Liberty valance
1. Ox Bow
Please not this does not reflect my ballot
Oh well, that's how the prairie biscuit crumbles. . .
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Reading this makes me realize you’re more correct then I was
To execute such realistic characters you have to have three people with a lot of self-awareness and understanding of psychology, the writer, the director, and the actor. It's very rare that all three come together like this. But for me this sets the bar for the par excellence that I hold other movies to. Which is why I wasn't impressed with the drunk acting in Ox-Bow, even though Ox-Bow was still a very good movie.
This is definitely a movie I need to rewatch. It deserves it.
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I can't take anyone serious who thinks this is a good movie.
Your criticism centers around all the little details you found unrealistic, but spaghetti westerns were rarely concerned with realism. They're fantasies of the Old West with superheroes who wear cowboy hats and six-shooters instead of capes or cowls. Everything's exaggerated. Everything's operatic. Style reigns supreme. Obviously that cinematic approach clashes with what you typically seek from the medium, but that's just a matter of taste.
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Then you can't take seriously an overwhelming majority of celebrated filmmakers, respected critics or even fellow MoFos, like Mr Minio, whose taste you seem to admire.
It's fine that you don't think it's a good movie, but this elitist attitude and dismissiveness toward anyone whose opinion differs from your own is what people find so consistently off-putting about you.
Your criticism centers around all the little details you found unrealistic, but spaghetti westerns were rarely concerned with realism.
They're fantasies of the Old West with superheroes who wear cowboy hats and six-shooters instead of capes or cowls. Everything's exaggerated. Everything's operatic. Style reigns supreme. Obviously that cinematic approach clashes with what you typically seek from the medium, but that's just a matter of taste.
If you like the movie that's fine, but it's not fair or right to slander me by calling me elitist without demonstrating that I am, and actually addressing any of the criticisms I made, and I made a lot. It's fine to enjoy the style, melodrama, and cheesy comedy of the movie, but it's not grounds for saying it's a great movie. You may find it to be a very entertaining movie, but it's not quality art. It's superficial and cliche.
No hard feelings, Captain Spaulding. You're a great guy. We can agree to disagree, but I wouldn't mind if you actually looked at the criticisms I made of The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, and tried to address some of them. I just want to make sure there aren't any hurt feelings though. I didn't take offense to anything you said, and please don't take offense to what I'm saying. I like a good debate.
They're fantasies of the Old West with superheroes who wear cowboy hats and six-shooters instead of capes or cowls. Everything's exaggerated. Everything's operatic. Style reigns supreme. Obviously that cinematic approach clashes with what you typically seek from the medium, but that's just a matter of taste.
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I can concede that for the type of film that The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly is, it's probably the best. Other similar films I would say are the old Django films and They Call Me Hallelujah. Where the protagonist is unashamedly a Mary Sue, cliches are fully embraced, and realism is thrown out the window in favor of dramatic effect. I did like the closeup shots in the cinematography. But for a good Wetsern it's the furthest thing from what I want and look for, and for cinema it's a style that I don't enjoy at all.
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To be fair, it isn’t slander. If it’s anything, It’s libel. 😏
Libel: a published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation; a written defamation.
Slander: the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.
Well, it's not spoken, and it's not published either. But it's spoken in the sense that you call what someone wrote in a post, "You said this, or that." I'd say it's slander, since libel is more of a publication issue.
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The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly is pure fantasy, heavily exaggerated, operatic, stylistic, and takes a cinematic approach that clashes with what I typically seek from the medium. I don't like these type of films, just like I don't like most superhero movies. I like movies with substance, and art, because I consider cinema a medium of art first and foremost. I'm not interested in superficial entertainment.
Remember your response to Citizens review of Soldier Blue? You didn’t like it. Think back to how you felt over a mere review, before you feel the need to denounce people over their preference in movies.
I’m not interested in a debate, over this, really. Just something to think on.
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To be fair, it isn’t slander. If it’s anything, It’s libel. 😏
Libel: a published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation; a written defamation.
Slander: the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.
Well, it's not spoken, and it's not published either. But it's spoken in the sense that you call what someone wrote in a post, "You said this, or that." I'd say it's slander, since libel is more of a publication issue.
It isn’t spoken in any context, no matter how you try to frame it.
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