Quote of the Day
1 - I maintain that it was condescending. You'd have to be hopelessly naive, or hopelessly immature, to not realize the things you say she "perhaps" does not realize.
2 - I find it a little hard to believe you don't know that "comrade" was the friend synonym of choice for communists and is often used as a slight in situations like these.
3 - If you want to argue about the war, post in one of the war threads again and you'll be met with much debate. But this thread serves another purpose.
4 - If you can't see how claiming that everyone who disagrees with you is just being fooled and manipulated is condescending, then there's no way I'll be able to explain it to you.
5 - Dubya does not carry Nixon's "legacy" in any way whatsoever. They're not similar, either. That's patently ridiculous and merely repeating it does not constitute a genuine "link."
2 - I find it a little hard to believe you don't know that "comrade" was the friend synonym of choice for communists and is often used as a slight in situations like these.
3 - If you want to argue about the war, post in one of the war threads again and you'll be met with much debate. But this thread serves another purpose.
4 - If you can't see how claiming that everyone who disagrees with you is just being fooled and manipulated is condescending, then there's no way I'll be able to explain it to you.
5 - Dubya does not carry Nixon's "legacy" in any way whatsoever. They're not similar, either. That's patently ridiculous and merely repeating it does not constitute a genuine "link."
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Originally posted by Django
Ah, Caitlyn, Caitlyn! It's not that I don't have the time or inclination! It's just that a message board is just not the place for that kind of a discussion.
Ah, Caitlyn, Caitlyn! It's not that I don't have the time or inclination! It's just that a message board is just not the place for that kind of a discussion.
-- Dale Carnegie
Originally posted by Django
If you ever drop by San Francisco, I'd be glad to take you out for a drink or dinner and explain it to you in depth, but it just wouldn't be the same on a message board!
If you ever drop by San Francisco, I'd be glad to take you out for a drink or dinner and explain it to you in depth, but it just wouldn't be the same on a message board!
-- Wayne Dyer
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"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." ~ John Stuart Mill
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"What distinguishes war, is not that man is slain, but that he is slain, spoiled, crushed by the cruelty, the injustice, the treachery, the murderous hand of man."
--William Ellery Channing
"A bad peace is even worse than war"
--Tacitus
--William Ellery Channing
"A bad peace is even worse than war"
--Tacitus
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I'm sorry I missed the Django-Caitlyn conflict here earlier, as I have disagreements with both of them & it would be interesting to watch them go at each others' throats. But I digress.
I like that even though you have firm allegiances to your party, you still recognize a tool when you see one. Nixon sucked, Nixon the movie sucked, and Henry Kissinger isn't in Bush's cabinet. Which makes me agree with you, 100%. Hooray.
Now, enough foreplay:
Fiat justitia - ruat caelum. "Let justice be done, though heaven falls."
Originally posted by Yoda
5 - Dubya does not carry Nixon's "legacy" in any way whatsoever. They're not similar, either. That's patently ridiculous and merely repeating it does not constitute a genuine "link."
5 - Dubya does not carry Nixon's "legacy" in any way whatsoever. They're not similar, either. That's patently ridiculous and merely repeating it does not constitute a genuine "link."
Now, enough foreplay:
Fiat justitia - ruat caelum. "Let justice be done, though heaven falls."
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*can't resist entering another float in the quote parade*
"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
-- GK Chesterton
(former signature of mine.)
"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
-- GK Chesterton
(former signature of mine.)
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I'm sorry, but I disagree with all of you. In my opinion, NOTHING justifies war--not "moral decay" or any of the other high-sounding rhetorical sound-bites you are flinging at me. Basically, it's easy enough for us to justify war when we are comfortably cushioned in our suburban homes far, far away from the war and watching it all on TV like some bad action movie. Dubya is out of is bloomin' mind, is all I can say. He is playing with human lives as if they were chess pieces and he is so obviously using the war against Iraq for his own personal political ends, it isn't funny. Again, it's easy enough to voice ideals and patriotic rhetoric to justify and rationalize a totally unjustified war when you are far away from the war itself--not so easy when you are in the thick of it, witnessing human brutality--the ugliness of war--firsthand. And believe me, it doesn't get much uglier than war, however "justifiable" that war may be or however expertly you may rationalize it. Sorry you folks disagree with me, but you obviously do not know what you are talking about!
Originally posted by Django
I'm sorry, but I disagree with all of you. In my opinion, NOTHING justifies war
I'm sorry, but I disagree with all of you. In my opinion, NOTHING justifies war
Originally posted by Django
Basically, it's easy enough for us to justify war when we are comfortably cushioned in our suburban homes far, far away from the war and watching it all on TV like some bad action movie.
Basically, it's easy enough for us to justify war when we are comfortably cushioned in our suburban homes far, far away from the war and watching it all on TV like some bad action movie.
When you're dealing with a mass-murderer, more people die under peace than war. Why can't you understand that? It's simple logic.
Originally posted by Django
Sorry you folks disagree with me, but you obviously do not know what you are talking about!
Sorry you folks disagree with me, but you obviously do not know what you are talking about!
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My quotes are from people who haved lived and learned through war, making them wise enough for me to interpret their findings.
Django, you can't stop the consequences from happening now. It's too late. Please, take your passion and figure out how you can use that to mold the future. It's much too late to argue about things that are already in progress.
Django, you can't stop the consequences from happening now. It's too late. Please, take your passion and figure out how you can use that to mold the future. It's much too late to argue about things that are already in progress.
Originally posted by Yoda
Please tell me you're not advocating utter pacifism.
Please tell me you're not advocating utter pacifism.
Originally posted by Yoda
Not half as easy as preaching peace at all costs when YOU don't have a brutal dictator with a penchant for dipping your friends in acid living next door.
Not half as easy as preaching peace at all costs when YOU don't have a brutal dictator with a penchant for dipping your friends in acid living next door.
Originally posted by Yoda
When you're dealing with a mass-murderer, more people die under peace than war. Why can't you understand that? It's simple logic..
When you're dealing with a mass-murderer, more people die under peace than war. Why can't you understand that? It's simple logic..
Originally posted by Yoda
Nope, no condescenion there.
Nope, no condescenion there.
Originally posted by r3port3r66
My quotes are from people who haved lived and learned through war, making them wise enough for me to interpret their findings.
My quotes are from people who haved lived and learned through war, making them wise enough for me to interpret their findings.
Originally posted by r3port3r66
Django, you can't stop the consequences from happening now. It's too late. Please, take your passion and figure out how you can use that to mold the future. It's much too late to argue about things that are already in progress.
Django, you can't stop the consequences from happening now. It's too late. Please, take your passion and figure out how you can use that to mold the future. It's much too late to argue about things that are already in progress.
By the way, if you happen to be a fan of George W. Bush, do check out this link: http://www.whitehouse.org/administration/georgew.asp! That's especially for those of you so convinced about Bush's high moral idealism, etc. (Of course, this is intended to be tongue-in-cheek, so I hope I don't get lambasted by the hard-core Republicans in here!)
Otherwise, take it easy!
Last edited by Django; 03-31-03 at 10:09 PM.
No, I'm not advocating utter pacifism. War is, sometimes, a necessary evil, but nothing justifies war. You may rationalize the war you are fighting how you wish--every side does--but, in the end, nothing really justifies war.
"Living next door"? Like where? On the opposite side of the globe?
No, it's not simple logic. It's more hollow rhetoric.
I am never condescending towards anybody.
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Ahhh, as I said before, I'm so glad I started this thread.
When I said "Quote of the Day," I didn't mean for everyone to start quoting EACH OTHER.
Sheesh.
When I said "Quote of the Day," I didn't mean for everyone to start quoting EACH OTHER.
Sheesh.
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Originally posted by Yoda
You're contradicting yourself. By definition, if it cannot be justified, then it's not really necessary.
You're contradicting yourself. By definition, if it cannot be justified, then it's not really necessary.
Originally posted by Yoda
You're misunderstanding. You live in a country of peace and freedom. The Iraqi people do not. You say it's easy for us to sit and justify the war. I say it's easy for you to justify standing idle, because you're not the one being oppressed.
You're misunderstanding. You live in a country of peace and freedom. The Iraqi people do not. You say it's easy for us to sit and justify the war. I say it's easy for you to justify standing idle, because you're not the one being oppressed.
Originally posted by Yoda
Pot, kettle, black, etc. Cait asked you a direct question, you danced around it. I've asked you for evidence in the past, and you've failed to provide it. Your excuse of a lack of time doesn't appear to hold water, either.
Pot, kettle, black, etc. Cait asked you a direct question, you danced around it. I've asked you for evidence in the past, and you've failed to provide it. Your excuse of a lack of time doesn't appear to hold water, either.
Originally posted by Yoda
"Sorry you folks disagree with me, but you obviously do not know what you are talking about!"
"Sorry you folks disagree with me, but you obviously do not know what you are talking about!"
Last edited by Django; 03-31-03 at 10:26 PM.
Incidentally, I was going to post that picture of Bush myself! Brilliant expression!
...yes, I know that's what you're trying to point out. That's condescending. She'd have to be remarkably sheltered to be unaware of the fact that politicans are at times very self-interested.