President Trump
So was LBJ.
Irrelevant. The fact that this wasn't really in private is the whole point. I have no doubt that Presidents say scathing, vulgar things all the time. Just not usually in these settings.
Also, it would be a blatant mischaracterization (easily worse than whatever you're accusing "the media" of this time) to pretend this was about the word itself. It's not. It's about the absurdly glib sentiment behind it, too. It's an awful idea, expressed with vulgarity, in an inappropriate setting. You don't have to think Presidents don't swear to see this as a departure from Presidential decorum.
Also, it would be a blatant mischaracterization (easily worse than whatever you're accusing "the media" of this time) to pretend this was about the word itself. It's not. It's about the absurdly glib sentiment behind it, too. It's an awful idea, expressed with vulgarity, in an inappropriate setting. You don't have to think Presidents don't swear to see this as a departure from Presidential decorum.
X
Favorite Movies
X
User Lists
P.S. What is so bad about calling countries that people are desperate to leave "s-holes"?
So hang on, did he say it or did the media make it up?
As for you saying the same thing about where you live, I'm pretty sure you're not a statesman under scrutiny on the world stage
Also, LBJ is probably going down in history as our pettiest, most ruthlessly ambitious, most vindictive President, so it's not actually much of a defense or normalization to be using him as a baseline.
X
Favorite Movies
X
User Lists
So hang on, did he say it or did the media make it up?
As for you saying the same thing about where you live, I'm pretty sure you're not a statesman under scrutiny on the world stage
As for you saying the same thing about where you live, I'm pretty sure you're not a statesman under scrutiny on the world stage
X
Favorite Movies
Think of the country man!
I suspect the man who uses the greatest adjectives will win in 2020.
X
Favorite Movies
X
User Lists
Also, LBJ is probably going down in history as our pettiest, most ruthlessly ambitious, most vindictive President, so it's not actually much of a defense or normalization to be using him as a baseline.
How could such an obviously flawed (some would say "evil") person do anything that resulted in good for anyone?
X
Favorite Movies
Thank you for your non answer.
So did he say it or did the media spin it?
So did he say it or did the media spin it?
X
Favorite Movies
How would I know?
Already addressed this false equivalence:
Anyway that's obviously a deflection so if we all agree LBJ was awful then we can eliminate that as a defence. I for one think LBJ was awful, had some pretty solid policies but Vietnam was a disaster and he sounded like an awful person from the stories about him if they are true of course.
X
Favorite Movies
Also, LBJ is probably going down in history as our pettiest, most ruthlessly ambitious, most vindictive President, so it's not actually much of a defense or normalization to be using him as a baseline.
X
Favorite Movies
I dont know but you seem to chop and change a bit. Either you think he said it or you dont.
My point is not about whether he said it or not (Presidents have been known to say all sorts of awful, colorful or downright nasty things in the worst language imaginable in closed-door meetings), but about the way the media reported this information as if Trump made it to the world - where it's the media telling it to the world. That's a very important (and potentially dangerous) differentiation.
X
Favorite Movies
I'm not making any point of yours. I'm asking a question because I dont know what happened. Missed it on the news and first saw it discussed here You said he said it and you also said the media spun it. I;m curious which it is.
I'm not making any point of yours. I'm asking a question because I dont know what happened. Missed it on the news and first saw it discussed here You said he said it and you also said the media spun it. I;m curious which it is.
They based the report on hearsay of someone that was in the private meeting, then went on with hours of coverage and talking-head discussions as if the report was undisputed fact: as if Trump got in front of cameras and stated these words (giving the public the impression that Trump had done just that). With the meeting being private, that means that whatever said was not intended for public consumption, just as issues of national security are not meant to be leaked for the safety of the country.
Today, others in the meeting say they never heard the term (while others say they did) and Trump denies that he used it.
There now the news (with my own add ons - just like CNN does but with a bit more reservation regarding the actual facts, and you can listen to me without paying a cable company or watching commercials)!
X
Favorite Movies
Well I guess now he'll really push for his new libel laws he wants to shut down freedom of speech, hey?
Well I guess now he'll really push for his new libel laws he wants to shut down freedom of speech, hey?
If he's really calling to engage in cancelling the freedom of protected speech, then I'll have to prove Yoda wrong and not defend Trump simply because I'm on his "side" no matter what he does.
X
Favorite Movies
Probably. (I'm not up on that story - so don't know the context.)
If he's really calling to engage in cancelling the freedom of protected speech, then I'll have to prove Yoda wrong and not defend Trump simply because I'm on his "side" no matter what he does.
If he's really calling to engage in cancelling the freedom of protected speech, then I'll have to prove Yoda wrong and not defend Trump simply because I'm on his "side" no matter what he does.
X
Favorite Movies
You commented on his altering libel laws speech, you know what she is talking about.
X