. Really good film. Bergman's films all deal with extremely heavy,existential themes and they are rather cold.They are excellent films, but ones that take some warming up to. The same applies to this one.
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. Really good film. Bergman's films all deal with extremely heavy,existential themes and they are rather cold.They are excellent films, but ones that take some warming up to. The same applies to this one.
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I am not offended by its existence. But it's just a pretentious film, like the two other Kaufman films I've seen (Adaptation and Eternal Sunshine). As one person on criticker said, "Although he's grown as a writer, Kaufman's script carries this irritating underlying current of distress and self-centeredness that's quite tiresome". Couldn't have said it better myself. Nothing is special about his scripts, or his films. They're not that weird either. Original? Yes, but that doesn't make them good.
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Might have to give it a shot. So far the Bergman movies I have liked the most have been The Seventh Seal and Persona.
Same here man. Those are my favorites as well, I wasn't a fan of Wild Strawberries.
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You still haven't presented an idea to back up what you said. "Distress" isn't inherently bad, and "self-centeredness" can apply to everyone who creates something, since art is made for the artist not the audience. What is the problem exactly?
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The problem is that you love Kaufman.
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If you're going to watch your first or another Bergman after disappointment (or not), I'd recommend The Magician, The Virgin Spring or Shame.
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Fanny and Alexander is my favourite, but it's 3/5 hours depending on which version you see. I have seen that, Persona and The Seventh Seal, I think they are great too.
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I am not offended by its existence. But it's just a pretentious film, like the two other Kaufman films I've seen (Adaptation and Eternal Sunshine). As one person on criticker said, "Although he's grown as a writer, Kaufman's script carries this irritating underlying current of distress and self-centeredness that's quite tiresome". Couldn't have said it better myself. Nothing is special about his scripts, or his films. They're not that weird either. Original? Yes, but that doesn't make them good.
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Why so low?
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I never really get what people mean when they're talking about a 'pretentious' film. What makes a film pretentious? When it's more original, intelligent and daring than other mainstream films? Well, then I want more pretentious films right this instant!
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Films are pretentious when they pretend to be deep or try to give that illusion that they are, when in fact they are not.
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Then that doesn't apply to Charlie Kaufman, in my opinion.
For me a film like Pierrot le Fou was very pretentious. At least Being John Malkovich had a coherent story. I did not like it, but it was there.
The Matrix sequels were VERY pretentious.
It it's own way, Spring Breakers was pretentious. With certain religious imagery, a character named faith, and certain lines repeated over and over again the movie tried to trick me into thinking there was a point. There was none. It was nothing more then an excuse to see half naked and or topless chicks on the beach, random violence and profanity, and James Franco high off his ass. It was a complete waste of 90 minutes.
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OH! Before I forget, On Deadly Ground with Steven Segal is GIGANTICALLY prententious! Especially the last five or so minutes when he literally gives us a lecture at the end of the damn movie! Also, and environmental message in an action movie? Wrong vehicle buddy!
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.... What the **** did I just watch? I like movies that are weird, and David Lynch is one of my all time favorite directors. But Lynch's weird and surreal movies are interesting and mysterious while this feels more like it was written on a mad lib ( - SC). People want to **** in Malkovich's head, who cares?!?!?
I will stick to REAL weird and silly film writers like LLOYD Kaufman, thank you very much!
I haven't seen this particular movie in years and years. I liked it, though, but for the most part, I like Charlie Kaufman. You should watch Adaptation.
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And Charlie Kaufman's S... (goes to Google to see how to spell this) ... Synecdoche, New York ... I'm not recommending it (it has Philip Seymour Hoffman in it) but that movie is FAR MORE difficult to understand and enjoy than something like Being John Malkovich.
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Films are pretentious when they pretend to be deep or try to give that illusion that they are, when in fact they are not.
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