Vote on the next countdown (Oct. 2023)

Do what you wish, but I like the idea of the actual points that each film gets are ranked in order. For an example, technically classic noir could consist of the whole top 5, or vice versa, if that makes sense. But still representation of 50 each.

I'll wait until tomorrow just to make sure people get a chance to volunteer/nobody objects (I will be very surprised if anybody objects), and then I'll be in touch.

Start thinking about how you wanna handle eligibility and all that. I have opinions, of course, if you want them, but ultimately it's all up to you.

Sounds good.
I pretty much have that fleshed out. I've done some serious checking on noir and neo noir movies at all the various movie sites and have something worked out. I was just going to go back over my notes this morning.

Going to have to sustain from the next countdown. Don't think I've even watched more than a couple of dozen noir films.

I'll keep tabs on this for future learning.

I haven't seen Lost Highway, and it's been a while since I saw Blue Velvet. Mulholland Drive is a whole different beast. It sure has neo-noir vibes, but there's so much going on in it that I wouldn't peg it as neo-noir.

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Think of it as a Crime Thriller countdown, I know you've seen alot of those right? As long as a movie was made from 1960 to present and is tagged Neo-Noir at Wikipedia, it is in! All of these movies are tagged Neo Noir and there's a lot more too, this is just a sample.

52 Pick-Up (1986)
A Simple Plan (1998)
Absence of Malice (1981)
After Dark, My Sweet (1990)
Against All Odds (1984)
Agnes of God (1985)
Alphaville (1965)
American Gigolo (1980)
Angel Heart (1987)
Bad Times at the El Royale (2018)
Badlands (1973)
Basic Instinct (1992)
Black Widow (1987)
Blade Runner (1982) (sort of)
Blade Runner 2049 (2017)
Blast of Silence (1961)
Blood and Wine (1996)
Blood Simple (1984)
Blow Out (1981)
Blue Velvet (1986)
Body Double (1984)
Body Heat (1981)
Bound (1996)
Brick (2005)
Bullitt (1968)
Cape Fear (1962)
Cape Fear (1991) not marked but in as it's a remake of an earlier neo noir
Chinatown (1974)
Collateral (2004)
Croupier (1998)
Cutter's Way (1981)
D.O.A. (1988)
Dark City (1998)
Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid (1982)
Defiance (1980)
Devil in a Blue Dress (1995)
Dirty Harry (1971)
Fallen Angels (1995)
Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Following (1998)
Ghost in the Shell (1995)
Gloria (1980)
Gone Baby Gone (2007)
Hammett (1982)
I Walk the Line (1970)
In Cold Blood (1967)
Inherent Vice (2014)
John Wick (2014) (sort of)
Kill Me Again (1989)
King of New York (1990)
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang (2005)
Kiss of Death (1995)
Klute (1971)
L.A. Confidential (1997)
Lady in Cement (1968)
Le Samouraï (1967)
Lone Star (1996)
Lost Highway (1997)
Magical Girl (2014)
Magnum Force (1973)
Man-Trap (1961)
Marlowe (1969)
Memento (2000)
Miller's Crossing (1990)
Mother (2009)
Motherless Brooklyn (2019)
Mulholland Drive (2001)
Mystic River (2003)
Narc (2002)
Narrow Margin (1990)
Night and the City (1992)
Night Moves (1975)
Nightcrawler (2014)
Nightmare Alley (2021)
No Country for Old Men (2007)
Nocturnal Animals (2016)
Obsession (1976)
Oldboy (2003)
Out of Bounds (1986)
Palmetto (1998)
Point Blank (1967) (sort of)
Portrait in Black (1960)
Prince of the City (1981)
Red Rock West (1993)
Reservoir Dogs (1992)
Sea of Love (1989)
Shutter Island (2010)
Sin City (2005)
Sharky's Machine (1981)
Stormy Monday (1998)
Strange Days (1995) (sort of)
Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance (2002)
Taxi Driver (1976)
The Aura (2005)
The Big Easy (1986)
The Big Sleep (1978)
The Black Dahlia (2006)
The Champ (1979)
The Dead Pool (1988)
The Executioner (1970)
The French Connection (1971)
The Friends of Eddie Coyle (1973)
The Grifters (1990)
The Hot Spot (1990)
The Incident (1967)
The Killers (1964)
The Killing of a Chinese Bookie (1976)
The Last Seduction (1994)
The Late Show (1977)
The Long Goodbye (1973)
The Man from Nowhere (2010)
The Man Who Wasn't There (2001)
The Manchurian Candidate (2004)
The Naked Kiss (1964)
The Ninth Gate (1999)
The Onion Field (1979)
The Outfit (1973)
The Postman Always Rings Twice (1981)
The Running Man (1963)
The Salton Sea (2002)
The Two Jakes (1990)
The Usual Suspects (1995)
The Yakuza (1974)
The Yakuza (1974)
Thief (1981)
Tightrope (1984)
To Live and Die in L.A. (1985)
Trouble in Mind (1985)
True Confessions (1981)
Twilight (1998)
U Turn (1997)
Under the Silver Lake (2018)
Underworld U.S.A. (1961)
Walking Tall (1973)
White Line Fever (1975)
Wild Things (1998)
Witness (1985)
Year of the Dragon (1985)
You Were Never Really Here (2017)
Zodiac (2007)

***There will also be a separate optional ballot for Classic Noirs made from 1940-1959 and tagged noir at IMDB or Wikipedia, if you don't dig those you don't have to do them.

How open would you be to try a couple ones before whenever we get to the voting deadline?

They shoot pictures Don't They? has a pretty good section they just started about a year ago on their site. Something to check out for references.

So will we be submitting two lists, one for classic noir and neo- noir?

I've been holding off voting to give noir a late boost if needed but looks like it's not needed. So it's going to be two top 50 lists if CR hosts? That works. And then are we going to be submitting a top 25 for each noir/neonoir or like a top 10 or 15 for each since they're only 50 films for each countdown list?

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Yes there will be two voting ballots this time. But if someone hasn't seen enough classic noir they can submit just the one ballot for Neo Noir. It's up to the individual if they submit both ballots or just one.

The ballots will have the usual 25 movie spots (25 on the Noir ballot and also 25 on the Neo Noir ballot) and as usual people can submit ballots with as little as 10 movies per ballot.

It will be a Top 100 countdown with the top 50 Noir films and the top 50 Neo Noir films. The idea is to be able to create two list for the MoFo list section. A classic Noir list and a Neo Noir list as both are different enough from each other to not really be the same thing.

After going through Citizen Rules list of Neo Noir films and finding lots of movies I like, I realized I will participate in this countdown. Then I looked at Wikipedia's list of Neo Noirs and found more movies I like. Some of those I judged to be not really Neo Noirs, while some seem questionable- are the following films Neo Noir?:

True Romance (1993)
Heat (1995)
Jackie Brown (1997)
Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels (1998)
Watchmen (2009)
Drive (2011)

No, none of those qualify. I decided the fairest way to determine with the least amount of turmoil is to use the 'neo-noir' genre tag at Wikipedia. It must say 'neo noir' in the first section at Wiki that describes the movies, and none of those do.

If further down the page it says something like, 'such and such critic called the film an edgy noir' or 'the film exhibits noir styling' etc, that won't count as it's someone else opinion being sited. ***That's for films for the neo noir countdown.

Just a reminder that, while you can decide whatever you want for ballots, criteria, et cetera, the software as constructed allows for one ballot per person per list. So if you wanna do something unusual there's a pretty good chance that also means calculating things the old way, with a spreadsheet.

I also think that having two lists would make both of them very small, certainly to the point of requiring they each be less than 100, but that's more speculative, of course. I don't follow how they'd be merged; they'd just have to be two lists, ultimately, yeah?

Let's put it all together! And may the best noirs win!

Oh, I just know I'm going to be very persnickety about these "definitions"

I thought I saw those listed on the Wikipedia page, it's has a decade by decade breakdown. I dunno.

Bummer, I didn't know that the software won't work for two ballots with one countdown....So I'll do it the old fashion way and have people mail me their ballots (like I did for the 1930s countdown), unless there's another work around?

Yes, two separate list when the countdown is over. So you would be adding two different list to the MoFo list section, one would be The Top 50 Film Noirs...and the other list would be The Top 50 Neo Noirs.

@Yoda I just had an idea. I don't really want to have to hand calculate the ballots the old fashion way...I like your new software much better! So a solution would be to run two countdowns of Top 50 each back to back. That way there's two countdowns and so two ballots (one ballot for each countdown). Seeing how the two countdowns would be only Top 50 the total time of presentation would be the same as a Top 100...and their 'watch periods' can run at the same time too so that this idea doesn't take one more day longer than any other countdown. Would that work?

@Citizen Rules - Why not just make it a Crime Thriller countdown, that's what noir and neo noir is pretty much about right? I think it would make it simpler other than just have 2 lists.

I would like to see a Crime Thriller countdown btw and you would make a good host for it.

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