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@Dani8Yeah, Japanese girls often look much younger, but I very often can tell the difference between a girl who just looks young and an actually young girl (experience, I guess ).
some did can be tricky (af), but overall it's easy to tell xD since im asian
I'd say Japanese girls look way younger on average than Chinese girls. This might also be connected with the overall kawaii culture of Japan. Although, it's extreme generalization, I'd say Japanese girls are cuter, while Chinese girls are more elegantly beautiful, if that makes any sense. Korean are kind of inbetween.
yeah, that's how i thought, it's probably also involving how most jap girl usually act/behave, like the vid said above, psychological neotany

Out of these three, it's without a doubt Japanese that are the craziest about pseudo-
or actually underaged girls, a theme quite prevalent throughout manga (lolicon), porn to even mainstream films/shows to the point it became a (often shameful) part of their culture. The distinction between, lolicon and paedophilia is pretty confusing as well (not to mention the former basically means pedophilia in Japanese).
it's not lke there isnt law or regulations, like owning child porn for example , but it's still vivid i suppose, as there contradiction. lot doujinshi actually depicted and sexualize underaged -and to tell eveybody , it's totally disturbing- but hardly view as same category as child porn. it just often seen as parts of taboo culture, often justified, excuse as "to each of their own, as long they keep it to themselves" , "it's fiction, not reality/real people" such as , as long there arent crime involved.

Even more confusing is the age of consent in Japan, that allegedly is 13 years old yet apparently even a 15 years old male can be tried for having sex with a 12 years old female.
it's weird actually, as a developed country but again it's not like it socially acceptable either, by norm, never also heard the news regard. many perfectures actually already implemented their own age consent(around 18) so i guess it's already on their concern
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some did can be tricky (af), but overall it's easy to tell xD since im asian
yeah, that's how i thought, it's probably also involving how most jap girl usually act/behave, like the vid said above, psychological neotany

it's not lke there isnt law or regulations, like owning child porn for example , but it's still vivid i suppose, as there contradiction. lot doujinshi actually depicted and sexualize underaged -and to tell eveybody , it's totally disturbing- but hardly view as same category as child porn. it just often seen as parts of taboo culture, often justified, excuse as "to each of their own, as long they keep it to themselves" , "it's fiction, not reality/real people" such as , as long there arent crime involved.

it's weird actually, as a developed country but again it's not like it socially acceptable either, by norm, never also heard the news regard. many perfectures actually already implemented their own age consent(around 18) so i guess it's already on their concern
No it's not on them and their own age consent, it's the culture. C'mon, yes it's a developed country with an undeveloped country attitude towards women. Do they still have bars decked out like a train carriage with waitresses dressed as school girls and they have to stand there while a man gropes them? Hideous. I saw it myself when I lived there. Everyone turns a blind eye to schoolgirls being groped by bastards. The only people who would do anything about it were gaijin and some university aged student. Expats would get together and talk about how horrifying this aspect of the culture was for a developed country.

And this topic really deserves it's own thread. Its interesting, plus it's a hijack.



No it's not on them and their own age consent, it's the culture. C'mon, yes it's a developed country with an undeveloped country attitude towards women.
their attitude, that age consent, was indirect reflection of their culture

Do they still have bars decked out like a train carriage with waitresses dressed as school girls and they have to stand there while a man gropes them? Hideous.
i never heard this -except porn i guess xD , but i guess there lot weird, specific bars there, probably with yakuza bts . did being groped was parts of their job description then , still poor gal -or you mean in specific case like hostess bars- . this problem not only in japan , tho'

in otherside , general japan lot offer varieties for -beside the heavy sexualize one- for fetishes customers. there maid cafe, cat cafe, yankee cafe etc and i think beside how pathetic it sound for fetish fulfilness but never borderline exploitative like that bars

I saw it myself when I lived there. Everyone turns a blind eye to schoolgirls being groped by bastards. The only people who would do anything about it were gaijin and some university aged student. Expats would get together and talk about how horrifying this aspect of the culture was for a developed country.
there these reclusive nature(of them society) encompass many aspect of their social life, like the story you just told, like every foreigners will always has "this" story. it the part that already often criticized, even among themselves. think those ppl should've been encouraged to be more reactive and participative, not just for show condescending attitude about who was the superhero at the end, that a lose



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yeah I really think this needs its own thread, reso. It's hijacking.



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Do they still have bars decked out like a train carriage with waitresses dressed as school girls and they have to stand there while a man gropes them?
Is the man "supposed to" grope them, though? Do these waitresses work as an escort, or something, or just plain waitresses in a restaurant? If the latter, then it's one crappy behaviour from customers. I can see how many would turn a blind eye, given the "customer is more important than our employees" mindset. Of course, groping real schoolgirls on the train is even worse. But groping is kind of popular in Japan. I've seen some, ekhm, films involving it...

I used to think that Japan is a country of many fetishes, but turns out it's one big fetish. I guess we need to draw a thick line between sexual fetishes, and realizing them with a person that agrees (be it a prostitute, or your wife), and actual causes of abuse. A building profiled as a train with girls wearing schoolgirl suits seems like a typical place where you can fulfill your fetishes. That being said these girls agree to be groped (and are paid for it). That's only my interpretation of the place you're talking about, though.

how about new thread "the negative side of japan" lol
Would gladly participate in such thread.

Messaged @Yoda asking to move the posts to a new thread.
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Personally I'd prefer the title to be more general, so that we could talk about everything Japan (and not just the negative sides), or maybe even other Asian countries, like Korea and China.



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Personally I'd prefer the title to be more general, so that we could talk about everything Japan (and not just the negative sides), or maybe even other Asian countries, like Korea and China.
Me too. A thread just about negativity is pretty negative and depressing, and I think for lurkers checking out the site would not be a good thing. Plus, there is so much beauty in the culture as well. I loved my time there but I also had a very hard time with some aspects. It's a very complex culture and even japanese will say the more they know of it the less they know of it.

Yeah, it's up to reso because he is the OP but first and foremost, if a lurker was flicking through the titles to get an idea of the forum culture to see if they want to sign up which is what I do, it's pretty bad and i would join just for nefarious purposes in that thread then leave. Maybe, not sure If I would leave. I dont want to tell you how to do your job, though. It's your forum, Yods.



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@Minio, it's young teen schoolgirls I was talking about where people in the carriage turn a blind eye, not the bar. They're probably escorts.

I will say, however, that I know someone who works in a pedo taskforce in my country and she knows all about those fetishes in japan because the rock spiders she is watching frequently have this stuff that reso is talking about in their libraries. It's the attitude that that kind of thing is OK. it really sickens me. Hell, there might be underground fetish bars here that have it- who am I to know, so I'm not just singling out japan. Someone who was on here sent me a nasty private message that I was full of sht when I brought this up once before. Well I can only reportn stuff I've seen or retell what someone else has told me, or what Ive seen. I saw men touching up schoolgirls and went apesht as well. I've seen it in other countries as well where people turn a blind eye. Well I'm not about to take advice from some kid who has probably never been out of his own town so I didnt reply.

Some pretty sick sht happens in underground bars in Thailand, and I mean really sick. I read an interview with Eli Roth or one of the other writers years ago and according to him Hostel was based on a real bar he w went to, if you can believe that, but I also hung out with a dutch guy who was a bouncer in the redlight district in amsterdam while I was backpacking through south east asia - the guy knew some pretty shady characters. One showed him a doco that was made with a hidden camera that had at that stage never been released (I dont know why or he told me and I cant remember)and what he told me curled my hair. I've been traumatised ever since.



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So you've been to Japan, eh? Lived there for long? Or just vacation?

My proposition for thread's title: East Asia Corner
I lived in north Kyoto and worked in Osaka. I vacationed there when I was 8 and my dad told me off for looking at a shelf of books with things like covers of a woman shackled in a B&D dungeon and having her nipples burnt off. This was in the lobby of a 5 star hotel. Yep. I still remember it. My traumatised 8 year old self still remembers that.Jaysus cheristi. Im short and it was right at my 8 year old's eye level.

edit to add i really like your idea for a title.

oh and sitting in waiting rooms of banks, hospitals, or on tables in coffee shops etc hoping to suck up the aircon before the official date of summer is announced no one turns it on it's very curious looking at the magazines left for clients, patients to browse through. Reso can explain this one - the official date for summer. Salary men will not wear short sleeve shirts until it;s announced and no one turns on the aircon. What the hell???



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They're probably escorts
That's different, then. Whether they should be doing such things at such age, and whether their pimps are abusive towards them is a question for another discussion.

I will say, however, that I know someone who works in a pedo taskforce in my country and she knows all about those fetishes in japan because the rock spiders she is watching frequently have this stuff that reso is talking about in their libraries.
A controversial opinion, maybe, but I don't think such stuff is inherently wrong, if it's all acted, like the porn films that have pedophilia themes, but actually are performed by adults who only make themselves look like children (which mostly ends up in looking like adolescents, because an adult can't really look 10, now that's f*cked up). I guess such kind of legal, but edgy stuff is actually pretty good, because it's better for a pedophile to jerk off to a 20 years old girl who pretends to be 14 than to an actual 14 years old girl in pedophilia video, OR even worse in real life. I'd say it's better for the pedo to watch a real pedo video than to hurt a girl in real life. Of course, to make such video somebody had to commit such act, too, hence my condemnation of it.

But with animated characters it's a different thing. A cartoon character does not have an age. It may look like a little girl, but it actually isn't one, and by drawing such character the creator does not hurt anybody. By watching such stuff the watcher does not hurt anybody either. If watching such contents should stop a pedo from molesting real life girls, or watching pr0ns with real life underaged girls, I support it. I'm not into lolicon myself, so I'm not going to try and defend it as "not quite pedophilia" (I've seen enough defences from other people who like this stuff to know most arguments), though.

and what he told me curled my hair. I've been traumatised ever since.
You had my curiosity, but now you have my attention.



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I lived in north Kyoto and worked in Osaka. I vacationed there when I was 8 and my dad told me off for looking at a shelf of books with things like covers of a woman shackled in a B&D dungeon and having her nipples burnt off.
Burnt off? By hot, red candle wax? Well, I remember seeing some skin magazines as a kid that were there casually next to newspapers and science magazines. These were pretty vanilla stuff, though.



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Burnt off? By hot, red candle wax? Well, I remember seeing some skin magazines as a kid that were there casually next to newspapers and science magazines. These were pretty vanilla stuff, though.
With one of those burner gun thingies you get from a DIY store. Bloody hell. Such a fancy hotel built on 5 acres of gardens in the middle of Tokyo and there this magazine style animated book was. I must have been like this My dad was very angry with the salesman.

He also got very angry when he visited me in Japan and they wouldnt turn on the aircon in the hotel. It was the bellboy. I told my Dad he shouldnt get angry at him because the first day of summer hadnt been announced.



.]But with animated characters it's a different thing. A cartoon character does not have an age. It may look like a little girl, but it actually isn't one, and by drawing such character the creator does not hurt anybody. By watching such stuff the watcher does not hurt anybody either. If watching such contents should stop a pedo from molesting real life girls, or watching pr0ns with real life underaged girls, I support it. I'm not into lolicon myself, so I'm not going to try and defend it as "not quite pedophilia" (I've seen enough defences from other people who like this stuff to know most arguments), though.
i personally found this arguments too hard too swallow, i mean for that had seen it horrible as it is. but it's hard to argue "to each of their own, as long it's not harmless anyone" .
lolicon itself (i think) could be define as fetish for petit or chidllike physical attribute, not with age-open to interpretation- while pedo itself obviously attracted to prepubescent. actually the term of pedo is just for person with disorder not for the crime. even lot of it related crime not involved an actual pedo



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Too kinky for me.

So how many years have you spent in Japan?

a bit over a year. I was funding another year of backpacking.

oh and you said you were curious about that doco - it's very disturbing


WARNING: spoilers below
was a pedo bar, going down to 4 year olds, and they paid more for murdering them and disposing of them after.


just posting about it has me shaking