Off to Spain tomorrow...
Originally Posted by adidasss
although you have a point to a certain extent, the last sentence is simply not true, if you go arround italy and ask people from different parts of it who they are they will undoubtedly say they are italians, just because they speak with different dialects it doesn't make them different nationalities.....or countries for that matter....regions yes, countries no.....
and also, that map is not entirely correct, i see that certain parts of croatia are marked as hungarian, it's a map of minorities, just because there are a few hungarians living in a certain part of my country , doesn't make them a majority in that part or that part of my country hungary.....
and also, that map is not entirely correct, i see that certain parts of croatia are marked as hungarian, it's a map of minorities, just because there are a few hungarians living in a certain part of my country , doesn't make them a majority in that part or that part of my country hungary.....
Which will it be?
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Originally Posted by adidasss
although you have a point to a certain extent, the last sentence is simply not true, if you go arround italy and ask people from different parts of it who they are they will undoubtedly say they are italians, just because they speak with different dialects it doesn't make them different nationalities.....or countries for that matter....regions yes, countries no.....
and also, that map is not entirely correct, i see that certain parts of croatia are marked as hungarian, it's a map of minorities, just because there are a few hungarians living in a certain part of my country , doesn't make them a majority in that part or that part of my country hungary.....
and also, that map is not entirely correct, i see that certain parts of croatia are marked as hungarian, it's a map of minorities, just because there are a few hungarians living in a certain part of my country , doesn't make them a majority in that part or that part of my country hungary.....
There's a huge difference between Regionalism and Nationality...
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You've said the same as I have: that countries are defined by legal boundaries, not linguistic or cultural groupings.
if you had dedicated 10 minutes of your life to the subject, you would know it's all the conceptual concept here in Europe. but then again, you're just an ignorant new-worlder. so you should shut up, like i would on atom energy.
also, despite the fact that croatian and serbian are essentially one language, we are two very different nations....2 nations,
you're right. like Swiss and Germany? yes, not only language defines a "nation" (can brainwashed colonialists - anti-Bush but still defending the same view of the world - get such nuances?) but all nations with a language are a nation, which doesn't mean (unfortunately) a (yet independent - but i fought with them and we won in the Baltic countries and Slovakia, wait for Tchechenia! and so many others) state.
although you have a point to a certain extent, the last sentence is simply not true, if you go arround italy and ask people from different parts of it who they are they will undoubtedly say they are italians, just because they speak with different dialects
2) you say "dialect", inquire! a dialect is historically a development from one language. Venetian "fogo", Genovese "feugo", Lombardese "foeugh" don't come from Italian "fuoco" (English "fire"), they all come from Latin "focus", thus, are all developments from Latin into independent languages, like Spanish, Catalan, French, Occitan, Portuguese... or is Spanish a dialect of French?
(now as a linguist i can learn from you guys specialized in Atom energy, or football or cars or mathematics, so be humble and learn too where it's not your specialty)
Perhaps I'm overly sensitive but being called unimaginative, heartless and ignorant seems pretty mean.
is it the MoFo here? ever heard about parallel realities (movies? comics? Matrix etc...) that makes the world oh-so much richer? so, there are (at least) two ways of seeing things nationality-wise (you live/se that every single day in countries rich in culture, like here in the old world), the official version, so well known you just needa buy a guidebook to know it, and the other one, for those few deserving. less known (Criss knows it for example, well she's from Galicia.. - but Native Americans can understand the concept too i'm sure, since tis the same thing goin' on) but all the more worth knowing. as someone i appreciate, i thought you could have some sensibility for it, is all. if you don't, well is a shame since i like to share. if you do, that'd be nice.
hahaha....you're funny.....
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Originally Posted by chicagofrog
oh yeah?, so it's all about following what the official version tells you? now that's exactly the point. you should vote Republicans if you're so logical. now that's inspiration, poetry and originality of thinking...
if you had dedicated 10 minutes of your life to the subject, you would know it's all the conceptual concept here in Europe. but then again, you're just an ignorant new-worlder. so you should shut up, like i would on atom energy.
Adidass,
you're right. like Swiss and Germany? yes, not only language defines a "nation" (can brainwashed colonialists - anti-Bush but still defending the same view of the world - get such nuances?) but all nations with a language are a nation, which doesn't mean (unfortunately) a (yet independent - but i fought with them and we won in the Baltic countries and Slovakia, wait for Tchechenia! and so many others) state.
1) what they were taught to think (i know how education is there, and what they tell you and not) doesn't mean it is true, you can find examples every-f.uckin'-where
2) you say "dialect", inquire! a dialect is historically a development from one language. Venetian "fogo", Genovese "feugo", Lombardese "foeugh" don't come from Italian "fuoco" (English "fire"), they all come from Latin "focus", thus, are all developments from Latin into independent languages, like Spanish, Catalan, French, Occitan, Portuguese... or is Spanish a dialect of French?
(now as a linguist i can learn from you guys specialized in Atom energy, or football or cars or mathematics, so be humble and learn too where it's not your specialty)
like i said Ash Lee, twas not addressed to you. i like you, whatever that matters for, and i do know Barcelona is in Spain (haha) (officially), like some ignorant aggressive put-the-word-you-want-here keeps repeating.
is it the MoFo here? ever heard about parallel realities (movies? comics? Matrix etc...) that makes the world oh-so much richer? so, there are (at least) two ways of seeing things nationality-wise (you live/se that every single day in countries rich in culture, like here in the old world), the official version, so well known you just needa buy a guidebook to know it, and the other one, for those few deserving. less known (Criss knows it for example, well she's from Galicia.. - but Native Americans can understand the concept too i'm sure, since tis the same thing goin' on) but all the more worth knowing. as someone i appreciate, i thought you could have some sensibility for it, is all. if you don't, well is a shame since i like to share. if you do, that'd be nice.
yeah, i'll give her that. i even guess she could be nice if she stopped being the bitter frustrated person who takes it on on people with other opinions than hers, and spent some months/years self-analyzing herself. she's such a repetitive... cliché feminist (=female-centered) bigot.
if you had dedicated 10 minutes of your life to the subject, you would know it's all the conceptual concept here in Europe. but then again, you're just an ignorant new-worlder. so you should shut up, like i would on atom energy.
Adidass,
you're right. like Swiss and Germany? yes, not only language defines a "nation" (can brainwashed colonialists - anti-Bush but still defending the same view of the world - get such nuances?) but all nations with a language are a nation, which doesn't mean (unfortunately) a (yet independent - but i fought with them and we won in the Baltic countries and Slovakia, wait for Tchechenia! and so many others) state.
1) what they were taught to think (i know how education is there, and what they tell you and not) doesn't mean it is true, you can find examples every-f.uckin'-where
2) you say "dialect", inquire! a dialect is historically a development from one language. Venetian "fogo", Genovese "feugo", Lombardese "foeugh" don't come from Italian "fuoco" (English "fire"), they all come from Latin "focus", thus, are all developments from Latin into independent languages, like Spanish, Catalan, French, Occitan, Portuguese... or is Spanish a dialect of French?
(now as a linguist i can learn from you guys specialized in Atom energy, or football or cars or mathematics, so be humble and learn too where it's not your specialty)
like i said Ash Lee, twas not addressed to you. i like you, whatever that matters for, and i do know Barcelona is in Spain (haha) (officially), like some ignorant aggressive put-the-word-you-want-here keeps repeating.
is it the MoFo here? ever heard about parallel realities (movies? comics? Matrix etc...) that makes the world oh-so much richer? so, there are (at least) two ways of seeing things nationality-wise (you live/se that every single day in countries rich in culture, like here in the old world), the official version, so well known you just needa buy a guidebook to know it, and the other one, for those few deserving. less known (Criss knows it for example, well she's from Galicia.. - but Native Americans can understand the concept too i'm sure, since tis the same thing goin' on) but all the more worth knowing. as someone i appreciate, i thought you could have some sensibility for it, is all. if you don't, well is a shame since i like to share. if you do, that'd be nice.
yeah, i'll give her that. i even guess she could be nice if she stopped being the bitter frustrated person who takes it on on people with other opinions than hers, and spent some months/years self-analyzing herself. she's such a repetitive... cliché feminist (=female-centered) bigot.
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so my soul is lost and i have to do the same infantile thing. they female will never learn...
but i'm such a nice guy...
but i'm such a nice guy...
oh i love this thread
the funniest is that none of you (us,i include myself) will change your mind
the funniest is that none of you (us,i include myself) will change your mind
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Originally Posted by chicagofrog
like i said Ash Lee, twas not addressed to you. i like you, whatever that matters for, and i do know Barcelona is in Spain (haha) (officially), like some ignorant aggressive put-the-word-you-want-
here keeps repeating.
Originally Posted by chicagofrog
is it the MoFo here? ever heard about parallel realities (movies? comics? Matrix etc...) that makes the world oh-so much richer? so, there are (at least) two ways of seeing things nationality-wise (you live/se that every single day in countries rich in culture, like here in the old world), the official version, so well known you just needa buy a guidebook to know it, and the other one, for those few deserving. less known (Criss knows it for example, well she's from Galicia.. - but Native Americans can understand the concept too i'm sure, since tis the same thing goin' on) but all the more worth knowing. as someone i appreciate, i thought you could have some sensibility for it, is all. if you don't, well is a shame since i like to share. if you do, that'd be nice..
Originally Posted by criss
yes, officially
yes i know and im really happy about it, but i also understand those who cant understand all this, most societies are not educated in this way of thiking, it is even hard to understand living here, just respect each other
yes i know and im really happy about it, but i also understand those who cant understand all this, most societies are not educated in this way of thiking, it is even hard to understand living here, just respect each other
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Originally Posted by chicagofrog
1) what they were taught to think (i know how education is there, and what they tell you and not) doesn't mean it is true, you can find examples every-f.uckin'-where
2) you say "dialect", inquire! a dialect is historically a development from one language. Venetian "fogo", Genovese "feugo", Lombardese "foeugh" don't come from Italian "fuoco" (English "fire"), they all come from Latin "focus", thus, are all developments from Latin into independent languages, like Spanish, Catalan, French, Occitan, Portuguese... or is Spanish a dialect of French?
2) you say "dialect", inquire! a dialect is historically a development from one language. Venetian "fogo", Genovese "feugo", Lombardese "foeugh" don't come from Italian "fuoco" (English "fire"), they all come from Latin "focus", thus, are all developments from Latin into independent languages, like Spanish, Catalan, French, Occitan, Portuguese... or is Spanish a dialect of French?
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Originally Posted by SamsoniteDelilah
BIGOTRY
plus she never discusses anything deeply (see other threads) with anyone that doesn't accept her principles first, those of feminism included, or whatever else she has a gender-based obsession with, which as a matter of fact should be the reason why people discuss, cuz they don't agree. no, she "discusses" with you if you agree, if not she tears her hair like the powerless witch she is repeating insults and "i'm NOT haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaving an aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargument".
and she's so dumb she proves me right with every action she takes. read the examples i gave about infantile reactions like bad-repping, so-called progressiveness that doesn't apply to all aspects and people(s), lack of principles, and bigotry, read her posts, analyze her acts, and it all becomes clear.
do your brains have their menopause too, Cindy?
Originally Posted by adidasss
hmm...but aren't all italian languages derivatives from vulgar Latin? Italian too?
the difference between them being that in spain catalans and basks and other nations have a distinct awareness of their nationality, whilst there is no such thing in italy
plus a nation is not only the political parties you have or even the conscience of the people that are being constantly influenced by the powers that be, especially during education and by the medias. so nation takes other forms too? you know the production of books in Venetan every year? and in Neapolitan, which is much bigger? or in Sicilian or Genovese? you know the first dictionary i found in Chicago was an English-Sicilian one? you know there's a Sicilian grammar in German? not necessarily political parties do all the work that's to be done.
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