What would the debate be about? The thing you seem up in arms about is less the films themselves than the marketing and merchandising surrounding them, which it sounds fair to say is coloring your view of the movies themselves. Not that you'd like them otherwise, but if you're this mad about branded toothpaste it's hard to imagine that's not going to sit in the back of your mind watching the films.
That said, I have (and will continue to) generally defend the MCU and the significance of popular culture and entertainment, which I think people misunderstand the value of, trying to measure its value by the same standards they use to evaluate narrower and more challenging examples of the medium, even though they're doing entirely different things.
Granted. Instead of "debate," (which truth be told I wrote this on my way out the door today), I'm more apt to admit this is my own personal soap box rant about such films and curious if anyone shares this opinion(s), or don't... and perhaps if they don't they could care to explain their reasonings. But your right, I'm on a soap box right now as I do not understand their appeal.
As for the films themselves, again my issue is in the montage, (as I mentioned with exception to diegetics). When I've committed myself to these films I find their form rather sloppy. At times these sequences, especially in action, (which these films are full of), can become a collection of insert shots, edited quickly enough that they layman doesn't "catch on," but under the scrutiny of a critical eye they exhibit randomness. Even the Soviets montaged quickly, (as did Abel Gance), but there is "thought" and "reason" no matter the rhythm.
As for the marketing, yeah I get fumed. Being that, (as stated above), these films to me don't "try" at a higher cinematic "truth" or doing inasmuch as restating their own question over and over again with each "burgeoning" installment. So yeah I'm a little frosted and I think it doesn't do our society any favors to promote things that seek nothing else than to lower the intellectual, (and cinematic), standards of people.
I cannot begin to tell you what its like on my end to say I like films, and some person I met says:
"Oh, like da Mickey Mouse? Da Donald Ducks? Or da ya mean like da Spididerman and da Supuperman?"
Drives me up a wall.
Then you are literally living in a society where you are
surrounded by it. And, like the Grinch Who Stole Christmas, (who I feel I should be so lucky), "The noise, the noise, the noise!!!"
I agree that the MCU
is unique historically, and
historically important, (from a cinematic point of view), but so was
A Birth of a Nation... doesn't mean I have to like it.