Current State of the Film Industry (Hollywood)

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Hey guys, I’ve been looking around for a good forum for all things movie to post on and I came across this one. I was surprised at how active people here are and so I thought I’d try to post something here. It's my first time posting anything on any sort of forum so please go easy on me.

Since this is my first post I put a lot of thought into what it should be about. I considered doing a review on a movie but then I saw something recently that I felt like I just had to talk about.

As some of you might already know, on the 27th of March, Marvel did a 5 hour stream to reveal PART of the cast for the next Avengers movie Avengers Doomsday. Like many, after seeing the cast list I was initially also very excited, I grew up watching the Xmen movies from the 2000s so it's obvious to see why Sir Patrick Stewert and Sir Ian Mckellen alone would be enough to get me excited for this movie, but for us to also get James Marsden Cyclops, Rebecca Romijn Mystique, and Alan cumming NightCrawler as well just to name a few, is insane.

The cast list is already ridiculous and without even knowing the rest of the cast, its safe to say that Avengers Doomsday will easily become one of the most expensive movies ever. With a star studded cast like that, its enough to get even non-marvel-fans at the very least intrigued by the movie. Though initially excited, the more I thought about it, the more it made me concerned about the future of Hollywood.

Ever since Marel found their success with their big avenger cross over movies and the MCU as a whole, people have been trying to recreate their formula of success. Almost every movie nowadays has a budget of 200+ million, where just having 1 big name actor/actress is no longer enough to sell seats. We are spoilt with the likes of the Marvel movies, the DCU movies, and even movies like oppenheimer.

Now I’m aware that big cast movies isn’t something new, we’ve been having this type of movies, like The Hangover, The Expendables, or even as far back as movies like Ocean’s 11, Italian Job, Jurassic Park. But where back then it would be a treat to get a movie like that once in a while, I feel like these days thats what people expect but not what people want.

Megalopolis was a movie that came out in 2024, directed by Francis Ford Coppola, it sees Julius Caesar and Franklyn Cicero clash in an alternate 21st Centry New York version of New Rome. The movie's cast had Adam Driver as Julius Caesar and Giancarlo Esposito as Cicero, as well as Aubrey Plaza. Nathalie Emmanuel, Shaia Labeouf, Jon Voight, Jason Schwartzman, Dustin Hoofman and Laurence Fishburne just to name a few. The point is this movie had a lot of talent, when I heard about the movie I was genuinely excited. However, the movie was a box office flop, grossing only 14.3 million worldwide against their budget of 120 million. Similarly, Anora, an indie film that walked out of the oscars with 5 academy awards cost only 6 million to make and grossed a staggering 65 million with no real A list actor/actress headlining their movie.

Films like Anora shows that people don’t really care about the cast or who is in it, it certainly helps having big name actors but what really sells seats at the cinema is a quality original screenplay. I’m sick of movies now a days all end up feeling like the same movie because studios just keeps hiring the same people and pumping out formulaic movies with similar stories. At the recent cinema con, 21 movies were reveal to be released in 2026, out of the 21, only 3, as far as I know, were original IPs, all the rest were either cash grab sequels of previous franchises like shrek 5, moana 3, ice age 6, or toy story 5, existing ips that are now getting made into movies like street fighter, and masters of the universe, or big IP cinematic universe movies like Avengers doomsday, clay face from DC or Fast x.

Now I’m certainly not hating on any of these movies, as a matter of fact, I’ll probably watch most of them. But with streaming platforms being so prevalent now, people are already having less and less of a reason to go to the cinemas, at least for me, I recently found myself missing the feeling wanting to go to the cinemas to watch something instead of just waiting for it to be on netflix, or disney plus or whatever. There’s almost no point of going to the cinemas anymore when you know for certain that in a few months you can stream it.

I understand why studios keep pumping out movies that just sells nostalgia, or movies that makes use of certain IP’s existing fan base, like a new DC or Marvel movie, its easy and for them it’s all about meeting KPIs and making money, I get it. But it just seems like capitalism is ruining the film industry, surprise surprise. I want to see more original movies like The Lighthouse, Tenet, Isle of Dogs, Mickey 17, Conclave etc, even megalopolis which I hated, movies that regardless if it ends up being good or not, at least makes me interested and excited about going to watch it in the cinemas, and not just excited because I want to see characters I like on screen interacting like a marvel movie but genuinely excited to watch a movie because the trailer looks good and I want to see what happens and how it ends.



it just seems like capitalism is ruining the film industry, surprise surprise.
Capitalism is about seeking profit in a competitive environment. Corporatism is about eliminating competition in pursuit of collective control. Such control, however, comes at the cost of vitality. Flowing water stays fresh. Capture that water in a standing pool and it goes stagnant. The industry, it seems, has forgotten how to make money by competing to make superior products. Market control tempts one to be lazy, idiosyncratic, and preachy.

I think that they've been running things for so long as to take it all for granted. They've lost sight of the product. They're hacks. They have a low view of their audience, so they have a low view of their product, and then they panic when they find that the product does not sell. And so, they can only attempt to "do that thing again" because they've lost the sight of "good things," because they killed their ecosystem. They are the stagnant pool of water. They can only reflect what was, they are detached from the moving stream. Success ruined the industry. Too big to fail eventually becomes too big to get our of your own way.



They are the stagnant pool of water. They can only reflect what was, they are detached from the moving stream.
Damn man that was a really good analogy, really well said and I can't agree more. Its so true that they keep trying to recreate, or as you said reflect what was. Those studio executtives are so detacted from the audiances they're trying to sell to, and even the product themselves, they only want the result of big box offices but no longer knows how to. Maybe its not so much that they don't know how to but just that originality is more risky, so they're more likely to green light another batman remake or shrek 5 than a "midsommer", thats why i like A24, or at least more likely to watch something from A24 because its something new, something fresh, instead of something that's been chewed up and spat out 5 times thats being regurgitated again for a 6th time.



>I’m sick of movies now a days all end up feeling like the same movie because studios just keeps hiring the same people and pumping out formulaic movies with similar stories.

Has little to do with the actors and everything to do with the writers. And, in the case of Megalopolis's actors, there are plenty who would jump to work with a legend like Coppola...his reputation attracts the talent in itself. Same with guys like Woody Allen who always attract stars who just want to work with him.

>But it just seems like capitalism is ruining the film industry,

But it always has. Go back to the 30s and movies were being sold based on certain actors or pairings. But, just like now, there were smaller and independent movies that were coming out. If anything, it's easier than ever to access these smaller movies via streaming...so one hopes this is putting more eyeballs on smaller stuff now.



One of the main issues that plagues the film industry (as it does pretty much every industry) is that those who have a particular talent for rising to power, are rarely also the people who are best suited to make good decisions while in power. This has always been an issue with Hollywood, but now that the potential for even more profit has come into play, you are just getting more and more terrible candidates who are good at the seizing power part, and absolutely bankrupt on the cultivating talent element of their job.


And the problem with this is nothing will fix it, besides either getting extremely lucky with people who are both bulls when it comes to rising up the corporate ladder, as well as creatively intuitive. Or just waiting until the massive profitability element of film dies out, and you get to build the industry back up from the ground, hopefully with the leadership of people who are more likely to have an interest in making quality products.


Personally, I'm opting for the burn Hollywood burn option.



One of the main issues that plagues the film industry (as it does pretty much every industry) is that those who have a particular talent for rising to power, are rarely also the people who are best suited to make good decisions while in power. This has always been an issue with Hollywood, but now that the potential for even more profit has come into play, you are just getting more and more terrible candidates who are good at the seizing power part, and absolutely bankrupt on the cultivating talent element of their job.


And the problem with this is nothing will fix it, besides either getting extremely lucky with people who are both bulls when it comes to rising up the corporate ladder, as well as creatively intuitive. Or just waiting until the massive profitability element of film dies out, and you get to build the industry back up from the ground, hopefully with the leadership of people who are more likely to have an interest in making quality products.


Personally, I'm opting for the burn Hollywood burn option.
Honestly, thats so true, I can't agree more. I am also keen on the burn hollywood burn option, just not sure how long we'd have to wait for that to happen.



The Guy Who Sees Movies
I understand why studios keep pumping out movies that just sells nostalgia, or movies that makes use of certain IP’s existing fan base, like a new DC or Marvel movie, its easy and for them it’s all about meeting KPIs and making money, I get it. But it just seems like capitalism is ruining the film industry, surprise surprise. I want to see more original movies like The Lighthouse, Tenet, Isle of Dogs, Mickey 17, Conclave etc, even megalopolis which I hated, movies that regardless if it ends up being good or not, at least makes me interested and excited about going to watch it in the cinemas, and not just excited because I want to see characters I like on screen interacting like a marvel movie but genuinely excited to watch a movie because the trailer looks good and I want to see what happens and how it ends.
You have to acknowledge that, after all, movies are as much investment as art. Somebody's got to pay the bills, come up with millions up front, and then people that run the studios are in the position of coming up with story and execution, based on a market, a couple years before the movie actually hits the street. Sometimes, it doesn't work, and sometimes they hit it out of the park, but it's an expensive and mercenary line of work with a lot of decisions made by accountants, demographics and marketing folks.

Considering the nature of the business, I'm actually amazed that so much of what comes out really is well done.