Raised by Wolves (Ridley Scott, HBO)
 

Well this looks...interesting? Weird? Both.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAg6RTQEfeM

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Not a sci-fi fan, but might take a look at this. What is the actress’s name? I don’t recognize her.

That's just weird, man.
I blame Terry Gilliam for my childhood. Not that he's my father, mind you. More, my adopted televised nanny-man.

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This looks fascinating. And is this really a "fledgling" streaming service, though? It's just HBO GO rebranding itself somewhat. Will definitely give this a watch.

It’s not weird unless you make eye contact with him.....

IT's FLEDGLING!!!!! K?!?










:D:D:D

Well, okely dokely then! :D

I say "fledgling" because it has nowhere near the penetration rate as Netflix, Hulu or Amazon. I get that it's still HBO, but it's nowhere close to the big boys yet. All reports indicate that people aren't gravitating towards it like having 8 standard HBO channels to browse on a cable service.

Ah, okay. Makes sense. Yeah, I see the streaming services such as HBO Max, Starz, and Showtime as just offshoots from their broadcast counterparts and don't really compare them in my mind to larger services such as Netflix, Prime, or Hulu.

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HBO MAX sounds like the bigger bottle of liquor you get at a Costco.

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Looks like this starts today!

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I watched the first episode just now. It's easily understood -- you're given the information about the story world as you need it, even though you're dropped into the story with both feet. You start at the logical beginning, though, so it's a smooth transition into its world. It has great potential to be really terrific, but I have a few tiny concerns that they could end up branching off into tropes. Cautiously optimistic. I won't say any more at this stage...

Definitely seems binge-able. In fact, I know I'll be watching at least one more episode today/tonight.

Weird huh? Three episodes are already available. Didn't this start tonight?

Yeah, I saw something that said the "premiere" would be the first three episodes and then a new episode every Thursday.

This is so TRIPPY!!

My assumption is that they decided that three episodes is enough of a binge to get you hooked on the series so you'll wait each Thursday for a new episode.

But honestly, weekly episodes is how HBO always works (Game of Thrones, Westworld, all previous shows before bingeing became a thing). It's that three-episode "premiere" that's different. And probably smart, as you say, because of the Netflix genie that's been let out of its bottle.

THANK YOU! I kept seeing this:



<shudder> Very unintentionally creepy.

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I've watched all three available episodes. I'm not sure what to think.
I'll keep watching. It could still fall into being nothing but tropes and bad plot choices. We'll see... the jury is still out for me.

I'm loving this. The odd is consistently odd. I was incredibly concerned with the 50's sci-fi design and stilted acting in the first few minutes but that very quickly faded and I've been completely enveloped by this absurbly stylized future.


I'd normally be cautiously optimistic but for what these three episodes have created, I'm good with what i have and I'm eager for more.

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I guess I've been burned enough by shows that just drove themselves off a cliff that I'm slightly more cautious than optimistic. But, if there had been more episodes available, I definitely would have kept watching. I just worry. :D

Yeah. I guess I'm drawing a line with myself lol. To not get involved with speculation as I did with GoT or expectations as i did with The Outsider. So far I THINK I'm enjoying this one more partly for that. One episode at a time. But I do think this has been pretty great sci-fi fantasy. I am totally believing Amanda Collin's performance and facial ticks as she slips in and out of her mental states.

It's like a weird future Gone Girl thing.

:D

That's hilarious. :D And so true!

I try not to overthink plots too. And it definitely helps in my enjoyment of entertainment like this. So I'm not speculating. I'm just hoping it continues to draw me in. Yes, Amanda Collin is definitely a draw. I haven't figured out whether I love or hate her character, and that's largely due to her great, subtle facial expressions.

What did I forget already? Lube Man? The prisoner? Or someone else?

When we saw the prisoner, though, I admit that I kept seeing this ("'Tis but a scratch!"):

^lol.


I'm loving this show. For me, at least, it may be some of the greatest T.V. sci-fi I've seen. Not THE greatest, mind you, but it's up with the first season of Battlestar Galactica (reboot) and Dr. Who. I'm feeling as much enjoyment as I did season 1 of Game of Thrones. More, in fact, as I prefer sci-fi over fantasy so it gets a bump up.


I can also see how it can turn a lot of people off though. There are weird bits all over the place that risk pulling a viewer right out. I think the Python reference is a perfect t example of thqt. So far for me, I've committed to this world and everything (even the weird/goofy stuff) makes sense in it.

I'm following the story fairly easily, which doesn't always happen for me with sci-fi or fantasy, so that's a big plus. I'm not walking away from these episodes thinking, "WTF?" :D (I don't mind a LITTLE of that, but shows like, ohhhh, Westworld and Dark often have me throwing my hands up in frustration these days.)

Having said that, though, I still don't see much of this that feels compellingly unique in the story. Like, I'm not thinking, "Wow! What a great twist! I didn't see that development coming!" It feels almost too smooth. For instance...

I think that's a totally fair criticism.


For me...


Westworld, season 1 was great. I didn't care much for the over-complexity of season 2 and only made it two episodes into season 3 I think before bailing. Totally throwing my hands up too, there.

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All valid stuff, yes! Good points about watching this for that hard-line dichotomy between "faith" and faith. Will either side come to realize the irony of their situations?

Oh, and despite my sometimes thinking we're not getting enough twists, I'm still *fully* compelled to keep watching. Something irrefutably fascinating about the whole package here.

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What's this? Theon Greyjoy prequel?

Rofl.
That's all I can reply. I deleted the rest. Thanks for clarifying!!

Haven't kept up with any of the Watchmen stuff. My bad! :D

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We used to live next door but one to the zoo when i was small - so although strictly speaking not wolves, I was virtually raised by tigers, lions and a jackal :)

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Two more episodes on deck!!! It's not been addressed, I don't think, but the title audio track is a perfect pairing for the weird aesthetics of this series.

Well now. This one jumps right into the deep end of the ....ocean. Weird, interesting (but kinda weird) stuff!

This better not go the way of Carnivale.

Which episode are you referring to? Somehow I either missed one last week or they let us watch two because two episodes were waiting for me (6 and 7, I think). And now I'm not sure where it's headed... again.

And I still don't quite know who I'm supposed to be rooting for.

Oh, mentioning Carnivale is almost a trigger for me. Ugh. If only that series had ended literally about FIVE MINUTES before it did, I could have lived with it being snuffed out like that.

Looks like they added two. I think they did last week too. I was referring to her recent simulation pod experience.


The only thing I'm having issue with is the casting of Travis Fimmel. He has the same eye flutter head twists in every character he plays. And his speech patterns I feel are too much of our language instead of belonging to his time. Too much American slang. "You betcha!" Of all the quirkiness of this series, it's that that risks pulling me out the most.


Right there with you on Carnivale. I watched it again a year or two back and really enjoyed it. I even thought they had edited the ending removing the cut in question. I was excited! Then bloop, my memory was off on the timing and there he was. They really should consider a name change to HBOMG.

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WAY off topic, but still on HBO, if any of you enjoy dry humor with a good bit of slapstick sprinkled in, do check out Avenue 5. I started it out of boredom when it first aired. I admit to not liking the first episode but maybe halfway into the second, I was rolling with laughter. It's just so absurd! I don't imagine they will continue it with another season, and that's a shame really as it was pleasantly mild and silly.

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Yeah, I'm not a fan of Fimmel, out of the whole cast. His acting is very... meh. I just don't believe what he's trying to convey (because it just doesn't feel like he's actually TRYING very hard). Too bad he's such a pivotal character.

One of the things that keeps pulling me out of the story world isn't Marcus's colloquialisms. It's actually that I never know how vulnerable Mother and Father really are. I mean, I realize Mother's eye-switches change everything, but why did SOME bullets knock Father to the ground where they could subdue him, when other bullets a minute earlier barely did anything at all? Same with Mother. Suddenly she's tied up and semi-cooperative? I dunno.

Although I *think* they want us to root for her (if only because she cares for the children), I keep remembering that she also just explodes people (and LOTS of them). And that she now willingly puts those eyes in knowing she might end up zapping people in a horrific way. Hard to root for a robot that does that sort of thing repeatedly.

But I can't really root for the humans (either the religious ones or the atheists) for various reasons. Everybody seems to be on a quest or mission that is slightly "off" in some way.

I suppose that means we're left rooting just for the children, although I don't even like all of THEM. :D :D

Still watching, though. And still curious and interested. So I guess they're succeeding in their storytelling.

"I believe the children are the future."


lol. Sins of the father and all that. Two enemies claiming their version of God will protect them while smiting the enemies that just happen to be praying for the same thing. None are good, IMO, but want to be the good guy. Whether they recognize it is what keeps me invested. Well, it all keeps me but that prevents me from questioning who to root for I guess. Even the children are not out of reach of envy and jealousy.

OH MY GOSH. I kept thinking I should mention the hairstyles but kept forgetting. What the heck, right? They're these random, asymmetrical half-buzz-cut, half-mullet things that make no sense. Like someone started buzzing on one side and then the batteries on the clippers died or something. :D

I guess I'm rooting for Campion, or most of the kids, I guess. But since there are other kids in the story now. Dunno who I'll end up really rooting for.

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I'm still trying to wrap my head around Marcus's swift turnaround... just because he heard a voice in his head a few times. Instead of questioning his sanity, he completely flips his entire worldview. So, does that mean this voice is compelling him or changing him? Or is this just lazy writing? :D

Strangely enough I still don't have a firm opinion on this show. I'm intensely curious to see where the plot goes, but I'm just not wholly invested in any of these characters. I have no idea why that's happening, but it's still true nine episodes in.

Totally fair.



Please know when I reply I don't mean to defend it, necessarily, but to just share my take on things and why some points aren't bothering me. Usually, when I watch a movie or a series, certain things stand out and catch my attention enough to pull me out of my suspension of disbelief. That happened a lot with GoT and Westworld. At least in season 3 of Westworld, and maybe half of season 2. That said, I'm really surprised that I'm as invested into this show as I am. Yes, I catch little details that might otherwise throw me out of the moment, but they're just not hitting me hard with this one. I do not know if that's a testament to the oddities in set design and story, or just my intense desperation to have (need??) a science fiction series fix. I'm totally OK with the latter.

That's actually helpful stuff in your spoilery section, so thanks. I'll probably rewatch these last 2 episodes in hopes of some of this clicking in my brain better.

The weird gyration moves were just in the last episode or so, right? (If I rewatch, I'll let you know.)

Little things that are no fault of the show have sometimes shoved me out of the story world too. In my case it's stuff like random thoughts: "Gee, I wonder how the actors playing Mother and Father like those one-piece rubbery suits. I don't see any zippers so going to the bathroom must be hellish and take forever." :D

Klingon rights of ascension explain everything.

Can't help it. Totally crushing on the android that can replace their eyeballs and destroy worlds type of chicks =\ that's always been a weakness of mine.

I always had that strange little boy fascination crush on Destro that obviously transferred to the T-1000 and now Mother. Still Danzig.

ROFL.
Full circle then. I mean Destro's chrome dome with mother's chrome(ish) body suit? Two parts of the same puzzle! I started a weird obsession with nerdy mean chicks with glasses and deep, manly, nazi-like voices cuz of The Baroness. Thanks, GIJoe. =\

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Trying to watch episode 10. It'll play the recap and the preview stuff and then stops and says it can't play this title right now--please try again a little later. Happened half a dozen times in a row so I'm giving up till later! Arrrgh!

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It's out in the AM?? I just assumed it was made available at precisely the time I get home, eat, and turn on my PS4. SO WEIRD!?
:D

you BOTH have already watched it?!

without commentary, can either of you provide a Commodus reaction?

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CmAKAZkYC...-gladiator.gif


(commentary is fine. just tag that mofo. thought i'll probably still read it. the more obstacles in the way, the less the temptation. on the other hand, the more obstacles, the more taunting the read. like NOT pulling tape on wrapped christmas gifts (while mom was still at work) from grandma that arrived 2 weeks before the big day. hm. DD? you're not mom are you? MOTHER!! OMG I CAN'T HELP ITasfdgg [missing end parenthesis punctuation]

*edit for parenthetical addition
**edit edit to add "end parenthesis" to previously edited edit.
sigh.


o.O




*** parent-theocratical?!?!?!?

East coasters marginalized by the western elites. Thursday doesn’t start until 3 am.

That pulling tape reference hit too close to home. Do I already have a neuralink? Are you in my head?

I made it through all the pre-show stuff and then it quit. No title sequence, etc. Obviously the previews for other shows and the recap are separate "bits" because it goes black and then I get the playback error message. Will try later once I get a little bit of work done. :) So much for my clever procrastination technique. :D

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Finally got to watch that episode 10 season finale.

EGAD.

Just...

EGAD.

How high were the show writers when they hatched this sulfurous egg? Honestly, @doubledenim, I think you hit all the salient non-salient points in your spoiler-tagged post. I lost count of how many times I yelled "WHAAAA?" during this episode, especially at the tail end.

So, we get all this weird mythology and story world crap... but not nearly enough to make any actual sense of anything? Why was Mother having those weird visions of cloaked humanoids and that person/thing trapped in a 3D octagon sauna ball? I mean, c'mon! And if it wasn't their creator who implanted that baby, then WHO OR WHAT DID?

I don't mind season cliffhangers, USUALLY, but I've been burned enough in the past (CARNIVALE AGAIN, PEOPLE!) to know that, if this show tanks enough to never have a season 2, I'm going to be even MORE pissed than I am at having to wait for these answers if there IS a season 2. Because there were TOO many cliffhangers and unanswered questions. Too. Many. On various levels of the plot and the story's backstory.

Honestly. I gotta go watch some Monty Python or something as a palate cleanser.

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*cracks knuckles*
looks like ima hafta watch this'n come awn back n 'splain some things t'night!





lol.

seriously though. I'm mentally wtfing reading both your posts rofl with all the WEIRD things you're describing. i can't EVEN imagine what this episode is going to be like now!!!. i love this thread!

Ah, the good old days when we were all young and naive and full of hope!

Ha! YESSSSssssssssss ...!!!
Well. That got slippery, fast!! I have NO idea what I just experienced but I think I loved it if just for the pure "waaaaaaaah-huh?" of it all.


I need to digest this a good long while. Before commenting.


[Insert Joe Dirt Daaaaaang here]

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Meanwhile, @Yoda started this thread and hasn't commented since!

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Haven’t watched it yet.

Be sure to read through some of this thread first. You might thank us. :D

NO! don't read. a. THING! this series must be ...experienced. You will have to go all in for this one, I'm afraid. don't hold back and just let go.


I wonder what the experience would be like without waiting a week for a new round, taking each episode back to back to back? I'm reading through our comments and I keep seeing spikes of disbelieve and shock but eagerness to continue. I wonder how the pacing would feel start to finish and if tonight's standalone episode would feel more in sync with the series over all? We were normally given what, 2 episodes a week? Could be a factor.



Also!



This better not go the way of Carnivale. At least that run was resolved, barring the last few minutes. I agree that this one has far too many "wtfs?" dangling to let it die. HBO did renew Avenue 5 for another season. If that got picked up, there's hope!


After a rewatch, I'm tempted to visit the commentary shorts to see what doors those open. I hated stuff like that with GoTs, but this may be worth the effort.

Oh we know! IF you had, you could not have resisted the subliminal persuasions of Sol to come and commune with our small thread cult.

This whole thread really made watching this show worthwhile. :D I'm not sure watching the show made watching the show worthwhile, but this thread did.

I may find time one of these days to sit and rewatch in proper binge style, to see if that pacing changes what I notice and what elements make sense.

But not today.
Or tomorrow.

:D

rofl. I'll ignore part of that.

Yeah, I agree this thread was pretty great. No wild theorycrafting (I tihnk?) or building of expectations. Just... reactionary. And small. I kinda feel like @Austruck and @doubledenim and I deserve some kind of honorary title for our efforts and self control. At least we should all get robes and shades similar to the future "Dudes" in the original Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/1c54a8e4...t9qo1_400.gifv

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Interesting on that review. Wow. I def need to binge this to see wtf difference it makes on that episode. I'd give the season 8/10, personally, but like I said before that MAY just be my desperation for a sci-fi series at all :D

Yeah, with the devolving bit I got serious flashbacks of BSG's (reboot) final season and ongoing theme It has happened before, it will happen again. I assume (I say that loosely) that the eel would continue to grow and eventually die, leaving similar remains. My issue with that is the mouth structure. The lil guy looked more like the leachy fart monster from Dreamcatcher or even the snake thing in Prometheus. The mouth was more like a sucker than a hinged jaw that a snake would have. I can't remember the bone remains from earlier episodes enough to say what those had. Would be cool if they matched. On the other hand, mother is a new technology so maybe the creature changed as a result? Yeah, I'm way off course with all this and this is something I was proud of avoiding in this thread but, dang. There are just too many questions now not to speculate.

Going back to the loop idea. I don't know if I want to believe humanity in general has looped around again. I mean, civilization starts, war ensues, tech advanced, extinction is inevitable, colonize another planet effectively resetting to zero, all while this Sol entity is directing cosmic traffic for reasons we can't understand yet. That's interesting and pretty friggin epic to try to think on, but that requires a vast universe for us, the viewer, to experience I think to step into such a large idea. Battlestar did that. There were several planets. There was jump drive tech that further showed just how huge that universe was. There was clearly established history before those events took place. We were aware of most of that history with the exception of the spiritual bits that kept the story moving forward to learn more about it. Here in comparison, this universe is empty for as far as we can tell. If we knew the story of why everyone on earth chose this planet that might help fill in the gaps and bridge a path into a larger scale universal/deity kind of thing, if that's where things are going in the story that is. I'm not sure that would work considering how minimal sets and characters have been so far. That's part of why I've liked it so much.

Yeah, I have no idea. lol.

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I don't want this thread to die =\

We have to get @Yoda to watch it. That'll revive it. :D

Meanwhile, I just keep wondering how the actors for Mother and Father went to the bathroom in those suits... or whether we can find footage of how the heck they even put them on. :D

Yeah @Yoda catch up!

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But there's soooo mannnyyy things to catch up on.

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This is only 10 episodes... only... about... ten... hours... of... your... life...






(that you'll never get back)...

I ALMOST like that post.






...almost.

I’m sorrry that I haven’t been here to support you two. I know I let the group down :tsk:

There are lots of shows to watch Mr. Green, but I have a solution to this problem. You make this show next. Those shows been waiting, they can stay waiting :yup: This is what must be done. It’s what is best for the children.

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Yes, Doubledenim, I would agree. In fact, *tilts head in consideration* this reminds me of.... a joke! An android, a priest, and an atheist walk into a cave....


The atheist asks, "How will we find our way out?" The priest then replies, "We will pray on it." The android then has an existential crisis and kills them both, saying, "...'sol good." What do you think, Campi..... Campion? Where did you go?

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This thread is totally worth that ten hours of my life. <3 :D

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Free bump, till Yoda gets the hint.
:D


Hm. Wait! I can drop tech-support questions here to legitimize my posts!!! Hey, @Yoda , used to be I could mouse-over the "liked" ribbon on posts of mine that others have clicked the thumbs-up on. I can't see that anymore. Was that an intentional change? Now I don't know who to send Christmas cookies to, or to list out who to love and who to hate sitewide..



'sup widdat? It's all good tho. I just needed a better excuse to kick this thread back up. dammit, Jim! the thread is NOT--GONNA--DIE!!! not on my watch. Seriously, guys, roll him over. He's lying on my watch =\

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Haven't changed anything about the rep banner thingy lately, though maybe you can rephrase and I'll understand what you mean better.

I'll still give this show a try. I just finished another season of another show and I've got two others in progress I need to wrap up first. :laugh: I haven't heard great things about Raised by Wolves but it also sounds weird enough I might like it anyway. Just a little ways down The List still, though.

Weird. NOW I can see those user names. I meant, specifically, the number of "likes" on a post that sits in the top-right frame of a post, and just below the Quote and Options icons that sit above the post frame. For a few days now I've noticed that I've not been able to click it from mobile to reveal what users have supported a post of mine. I dismissed that to my age and pending *dementia, and that I had only imagined the feature. However, today, before posting, I noticed I could not see the list from my desktop either. Works NOW though ..huh.

Peculiar that I now see it.... after you replied.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/325a...cbbb/tenor.gif

Prolly just my browser. Bowzer? Mario? Hey, yeah! Shah Na Na!!


re: wolves stuff. weird is slightly inapt of a description. go in blind, i'd suggest, and just let go.


*I shouldn't joke about dementia, but I did spell that as dimension the first time around and I didn't catch it until after tracking down this kung-fubbie gif. I am genuinely concerned.

https://youtu.be/_auMVXbxcbw

Just like the Prometheus Reddit experience I had.

So I guess I'll start this. Everything I'm reading says it's...not that good. But also weird, and sometimes I love weird (even weird bad) things. Now that everyone's finished...still think it's worth it?

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It's worth it to us for you to watch it.

Is that close enough? :D

That was actually VERY VERY helpful in explaining the show and so much of its unexplained weirdness. Now, if only HALF of that was actually IN the show. One ought not need to watch a half hour explanatory piece to watch a fictional TV series. :D

Thanks for the link. :)