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Thief 01-02-24 11:07 PM

Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
https://i.imgur.com/eBJuuaq.jpg

Neo-Noir Hall of Fame

Open to Films released in or after 1960 that fit the Neo-noir countdown eligibility criteria.

It was time. Not my time, but fate's time. My plan is to finish before the February 25 deadline for the countdown, so the pendulum will stop swinging on Friday, February 16, 2024. You have been warned. Yes, I have been warned as well.

So as we swing the pendulum on this, reach deep within the murky waters of this sub-genre and send me your noms.


MEMBERS REVIEWS

GulfportDoc - BALLOT RECEIVED
Red Rock West
Body Heat
Shallow Grave
Sin City
Nightcrawler
Tightrope
Le Cercle Rouge
La Haine

Holden Pike
Tightrope
Shallow Grave
Red Rock West
Sin City
Nightcrawler

KeyserCorleone - BALLOT RECEIVED
Nightcrawler
Sin City
Body Heat
Tightrope
La Haine
Le Cercle Rouge
Shallow Grave
Red Rock West

PHOENIX74 - BALLOT RECEIVED
Nightcrawler
La Haine
Sin City
Body Heat
Shallow Grave
Tightrope
Red Rock West
Le Cercle Rouge

Siddon - BALLOT RECEIVED
Sin City
Nightcrawler
Shallow Grave
La Haine
Tightrope
Le Cercle Rouge
Body Heat
Red Rock West

Thief - BALLOT RECEIVED
Red Rock West
Shallow Grave
Tightrope
Nightcrawler
La Haine
Body Heat
Le Cercle Rouge
Sin City

Torgo - BALLOT RECEIVED
Shallow Grave
Nightcrawler
Tightrope
La Haine
Body Heat
Sin City
Red Rock West
Le Cercle Rouge

Wyldesyde19 - BALLOT RECEIVED
Sin City
Body Heat
Nightcrawler
La Haine
Tightrope
Red Rock West
Le Cercle Rouge
Shallow Grave

Thief 01-02-24 11:08 PM


NOMINATIONS

https://i.imgur.com/GqgwJVR.jpg
Body Heat
(Lawrence Kasdan, 1981)
GulfportDoc

https://i.imgur.com/zGDjm34.jpg
La Haine
(Mathieu Kassovitz, 1955)
Torgo

https://i.imgur.com/sOxaShG.jpg
Le Cercle Rouge
(Jean-Pierre Melville, 1970)
Siddon

https://i.imgur.com/Yp8zoCA.jpg
Nightcrawler
(Dan Gilroy, 2014)
PHOENIX74

https://i.imgur.com/sTY9Q2T.jpg
Red Rock West
(John Dahl, 1993)
Thief

https://i.imgur.com/pp6M6ME.jpg
Shallow Grave
(Danny Boyle, 1994)
Holden Pike

https://i.imgur.com/NNdH3zD.jpg
Sin City
(Robert Rodriguez & Frank Miller, 2005)
KeyserCorleone

https://i.imgur.com/LBZjK69.jpg
Tightrope
(Richard Tuggle, 1984)
Wyldesyde19

Thief 01-02-24 11:17 PM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
Putting an APB to some notable MoFo people and participants of the recent Film Noir HoF's...

@Citizen Rules @Holden Pike @John W Constantine @rauldc14 @Wyldesyde19 @KeyserCorleone @Siddon @edarsenal @GulfportDoc @PHOENIX74 @seanc @Diehl40

PHOENIX74 01-02-24 11:30 PM

Got my nomination in 20 minutes after this one opened - a new record for me!

Thief 01-02-24 11:30 PM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
Alright, we're on! Two noms received already.

Wyldesyde19 01-03-24 12:08 AM

Sure. I’m in.

Thief 01-03-24 09:07 AM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
Already have 4 participants (5, including me) and 3 nominations so we're very much into it.

Torgo 01-03-24 08:30 PM

I'm in. I'll have a nom for you by end of day tomorrow.

Thief 01-03-24 08:49 PM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
Great! Thanks for jumping in.

Siddon 01-05-24 08:38 AM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
I'm in but I want to see what direction you guys are going in before I submit my nom

Thief 01-05-24 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Siddon (Post 2431632)
I'm in but I want to see what direction you guys are going in before I submit my nom
The water's fine :devil:

Thief 01-05-24 05:10 PM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
Ok, I'm gonna give this maybe one or two more days tops, so make sure you let me know you're in if you haven't, and have your nominations ready by the weekend.

GulfportDoc 01-05-24 08:43 PM

I've been making a preliminary list during which several things occurred to me.

In practice the labeling of neo-noir films is far broader than what defines classic noir. It's almost as if any crime film can be a candidate for a neo-noir distinction, which of course should not be so. And some of the ones classified as being "neo-noirs" have me scratching my head.

On the flip side several films that I consider to be neo-noir, like for example Heat (1995), with Pacino and De Niro, is not listed as neo-noir in any of the places I've checked.

At any rate I'll be submitting my list before too long.

Citizen Rules 01-06-24 04:01 PM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
Reveal today? Love to see what gets nommed.

GulfportDoc 01-06-24 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by Thief (Post 2431750)
Ok, I'm gonna give this maybe one or two more days tops, so make sure you let me know you're in if you haven't, and have your nominations ready by the weekend.
I'm confused. Are we supposed to send you our one favorite neo-noir? And then also send a list of our 25 ranked neo-noirs?

Citizen Rules 01-06-24 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by GulfportDoc (Post 2431922)
I'm confused. Are we supposed to send you our one favorite neo-noir? And then also send a list of our 25 ranked neo-noirs?
It is confusing, as there's two Noir HoFs right now and also two Noir Countdowns...You all can blame me for the duel noir idea stuff:p

This thread is a Hall of Fame (HoF) just like the Film Noir HoF IV which just ended...and the Last Chance...Film Noir HoF V which just started.

Thief 01-06-24 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2431924)
It is confusing, as there's two Noir HoFs right now and also two Noir Countdowns...You all can blame me for the duel noir idea stuff:p

This thread is a Hall of Fame (HoF) just like the Film Noir HoF IV which just ended...and the Last Chance...Film Noir HoF V which just started.
Exactly!

Originally Posted by GulfportDoc (Post 2420941)
Just to be sure, you're wanting only 1 nomination per person sent to you; and that nomination can't be a noir that has won before. Is that correct?
:D Just one nom for everyone to watch. Then we all watch everyone's recommendation/nomination and share a review.

Thief 01-06-24 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2431896)
Reveal today? Love to see what gets nommed.
Are you in, or are you going to wait to see what's up?

Citizen Rules 01-06-24 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Thief (Post 2431931)
Are you in, or are you going to wait to see what's up?
Just waiting to see what's up.

Thief 01-06-24 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2431932)
Just waiting to see what's up.
I'm liking the nominations so far. There's two I've seen, but it's been a while so a rewatch wouldn't hurt; then there are two I've been meaning to watch for a long time; and finally there's one I hadn't heard of. So a very diverse bag for me, so far.

Citizen Rules 01-06-24 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by Thief (Post 2431934)
I'm liking the nominations so far. There's two I've seen, but it's been a while so a rewatch wouldn't hurt; then there are two I've been meaning to watch for a long time; and finally there's one I hadn't heard of. So a very diverse bag for me, so far.
That's good. We have a lot of great noms in the film noir HoF, but I've seen all of them several times except one.

Thief 01-07-24 09:28 PM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
Ok, I will reveal the nominations later tonight so stay tuned!

Citizen Rules 01-07-24 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by Thief (Post 2432041)
Ok, I will reveal the nominations later tonight so stay tuned!
Staying tuned for as long as I can.

Thief 01-07-24 11:55 PM

Ok, here are the nominations for the Neo-noir Hall of Fame!


NOMINATIONS

https://i.imgur.com/GqgwJVR.jpg
Body Heat
(Lawrence Kasdan, 1981)
GulfportDoc

https://i.imgur.com/zGDjm34.jpg
La Haine
(Mathieu Kassovitz, 1955)
Torgo

https://i.imgur.com/sOxaShG.jpg
Le Cercle Rouge
(Jean-Pierre Melville, 1970)
Siddon

https://i.imgur.com/Yp8zoCA.jpg
Nightcrawler
(Dan Gilroy, 2014)
PHOENIX74

https://i.imgur.com/sTY9Q2T.jpg
Red Rock West
(John Dahl, 1993)
Thief

https://i.imgur.com/pp6M6ME.jpg
Shallow Grave
(Danny Boyle, 1994)
Holden Pike

https://i.imgur.com/NNdH3zD.jpg
Sin City
(Robert Rodriguez & Frank Miller, 2005)
KeyserCorleone

https://i.imgur.com/LBZjK69.jpg
Tightrope
(Richard Tuggle, 1984)
Wyldesyde19

Thief 01-08-24 12:06 AM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
Still open for nominations from anyone that was on the sidelines. As for me, here's where I fall with the noms.

Seen before, but wouldn't mind a rewatch
Nightcrawler
Sin City

On my radar for a long time
Body Heat
La Haine
Shallow Grave

Didn't even know about it
Tightrope

Thief 01-08-24 12:09 AM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
RED ROCK WEST
(1993, Dahl)

https://i.imgur.com/Aem9VIa.jpg

"You're a nice guy, aren't you, Michael?"
"I try to be."

Red Rock West follows Michael (Nicolas Cage), a drifter desperately looking for a job in rural Wyoming. In the process, he finds himself in the middle of a misunderstanding when a bar owner (J.T. Walsh) mistakes him for a hitman he hired to murder his wife (Lara Flynn Boyle). Things get even more complicated when the actual hitman (Dennis Hopper) arrives and stumbles upon Michael.

Michael is, essentially, a "nice guy" and the film makes a point of letting us know that he is. From his unwillingness to hide an injury that costs him a job or his inability to steal some money from an unsupervised cash register to endanger himself by going back into Red Rock to warn the wife, Suzanne, that her husband, Wayne, wanted to have her killed. It is that conversation the one that prompts the above quoted response from her.

It is perhaps that "niceness" what ends up getting Michael in more and more trouble. Once he enters Red Rock, every "nice" action he does ends up sinking him deeper into the mess. The film has a few twists and a certain grit to it that just makes it work, in addition to its neo-noir vibe, which reminds me of classic film noirs like Detour or maybe even D.O.A. to some extent.

Cage has always done a great job portraying vulnerable guys that are cornered into complicated situations all while trying to come afloat and still be "nice". He's also paired with a solid supporting cast, with Hopper easily having the meatier role. His performance as Lyle (from Dallas) is not equal to Frank Booth, but it's somewhere in that area. Walsh and Boyle are both pretty good too.

It's possible that I rented this film back in the 1990s, but I can't remember. So when a good friend recommended it to me, it was nice to follow through and finally catch up with it.

Grade:

Citizen Rules 01-08-24 03:00 AM

I'm not in this, but that looks like a great set of noms. The only one I've seen is Body Heat which was chose for me in the Personal Recommendation HoF VI (why don't we do those anymore?) I wrote this about it:
Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2327107)

Body Heat (1981)
*Spoilers*

Wahoo, this was a good one! I thought I might like it but I didn't think it would be so well crafted and it really was well written too. I went into this blind except of course I'd heard of this ever since it first came out. I imaged that this was a crime drama and indeed IMDB tags it as Crime-Drama-Romance...but hot damn this was a neo-noir and one of the best neo-noirs I've seen.

Right at the start when this shady lawyer tries to pick up this hot woman on a hot night in Florida, I was hooked. I noticed the dialog between William Hurt and Kathleen Turner sounded like the famous lines between Bogie and Bacall in To Have and Have Not. Other movies have emulated To Have and Have Not, only they come off as a faux copy of the original. Here in Body Heat the 'pick up' dialogue sounds natural. I believed these people would talk and act like this. So that was the first act which blew me away!

The second act was the planning and execution of the murder of Turner's husband. This is where I thought 'how cool' that it was inspired by one of my favorite movies Double Indemnity. And yet like the first act it wasn't some hackney copy, it was its own movie and that's not always easy to do in neo-noir. The second act was short but effective.

Now the third act is usually where films lose me as they go way over the top, but not here, everything was still nicely balanced. The third act has the non-too-bright lawyer (
William Hurt) slowly becoming a suspect in the murder of Kathleen Turner's husband. I loved that the film never rushes that suspicion and despite the rather hap-hazard behavior of the lawyer he manages to be smart enough to explain or avoid most of the situations that would land him in hot water. Such an intelligently written film, I enjoyed it.

Thief 01-08-24 11:55 AM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
Just added Siddon's nomination to the second post and the above one. Thanks!

KeyserCorleone 01-08-24 04:57 PM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
Nightcrawler

Nightcrawler captures all of the tension one feels traversing the night streets while out of your car, and makes room for a little car action on the side. The movie is also really heavy on capturing the themes of what makes a real news reporter as opposed to a real human being. Constantly we're following Jake Gyllenhaal as if we were his assistants in this epic search for the perfect story, but it's not until the end where we realize what we were really doing with him, almost as if the message was going right over our heads until the end, and I kinda loved that as far as the art of moviemaking went. It made me not only question this human being's right to effing live, but also myself in some ways. This is a movie about humanity, and it hurts just as much as it thrills because this is real world drama that's not only caught on camera, but is meant to feel like it's put right in front of the audience in real life. Guess all you gotta do is make a movie about a guy with a camera.



Sin City

I nominated this because it checks all the boxes bnecessary for a perfect rating for me. It might have a lot of artistic visual focus which is a staple for Rodriguez, and these may be his best visuals ever thanks to the pairing with Frank Miller as co-director, but this was WRITTEN by Miller, an expert comic artist and wreiter. And the stories he wrote in the comics are told faithfully and with the perfect cast to back up each of these very cool, if not intentionally and comedically outlandish, stories of crime, fear and courage, raw badassery and the essence of the noir genre. I admit, sometimes I find myself having difficulty going back to this movie because one character didn't get his proper due, but this is an anthology movie that I consider better than Pulp Fiction. In fact, this movie also served as an influence on some fairly noirish things I would like to write. And on an obnoxious side note, I honestly think this is the best thing to evolve out of the 2000's obsession with dark and gritty, and Loonatics Unleashed should've taken a few parody cues from this. Instead, you'll have to settle for the practice fanfic I wrote :P :P :P.

Hey, I dug that pit, and I'm gonna sleep in it with a hot woman by my side.


Thief 01-08-24 05:20 PM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
Nice! I've already started linking the reviews on the first post, people.

KeyserCorleone 01-08-24 06:43 PM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
You know, I'm glad HP nommed Shallow Grave. I was thinking about watching more Danny Boyle.

GulfportDoc 01-08-24 08:53 PM

My take on...

Red Rock West (1993)

This is a solid neo-noir set in present day Wyoming, with a little dark comedy and some Hitchcockian twists thrown in. It’s both directed and written by John Dahl (Unforgettable; Rounders)-- well known for his neo-noir work. DP Marc Reshovsky provides some very tasty photography. Composer William Olvis provides an expressive and moody score.

After Michael Williams (Nicholas Cage) is discharged from the Marine Corps he drifts around looking for work. He’s rejected as a hire for an oil field worker due to a war injury to his leg. His wandering takes him to Red Rock, Wyoming. When he sits down at a bar, and the bartender, Wayne (J.T. Walsh), spots Williams’ Texas license plates out front, the bartender mistakenly presumes that Williams is the hit man (Lyle from Texas) that he has hired to murder his wife. When the bartender plunks down one-half payment of the hit man’s fee, Williams sees the mistake, plays along, and accepts the money.

Instead, Williams goes to the man’s wife, Suzanne (Lara Flynn Boyle), and informs her of her husband’s murder plot. Suzanne then offers Williams double the money to kill her husband. After that meeting Williams decides to leave town, but along the way he has an auto accident. When the sheriff shows up it turns out that he is the same man as Wayne the bartender who he met earlier. Wayne realizes the ruse, and wants to dispose of Williams. But Williams escapes on foot, and is eventually picked up by a motorist who turns out to be the real hit man-- Lyle from Texas (Dennis Hopper).

The two bad guys, the femme fatale, and Williams proceed to partake in a deadly square dance to get the cache of money that Wayne had stolen back east, and to do away with each other. It all comes to head when the quartet ends up at a remote graveyard to dig up the stolen money, leading to a satisfying finish.

Michael tries several times to get out of Red Rock, but keeps getting brought back for one reason or another. Being chased by the bad guys at one point, he jumps off of a building onto a departing semi truck to get out of town. But several miles later the truck driver (Dwight Yoakam) discovers him, only to order him out of the truck at gunpoint.

The casting was first rate. Cage is good at playing a guy thrown into a situation not entirely of his making, and in that way is a little reminiscent of his hapless character’s role in Raising Arizona. Boyle (Twin Peaks) makes for a convincing femme fatale. The inestimable J.T. Walsh is perfect as an unblinking double dealer. And Hopper couldn’t have been a better choice for a kooky but threatening hit man who’s going for all the marbles.

Doc’s rating: 8/10

Thief 01-08-24 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by KeyserCorleone (Post 2432295)
You know, I'm glad HP nommed Shallow Grave. I was thinking about watching more Danny Boyle.
Yep. It's one that has been on my radar for a long time.

PHOENIX74 01-09-24 05:16 AM

I just happened to have a time put aside to see Body Heat with a friend of mine this Sunday. What are the chances? These coincidences keep popping up in Hall of Fames.

I have La Haine and Sin City - due to see both of those again.

Haven't seen Le Cercle Rouge, Red Rock West, Shallow Grave and Tightrope - though with those last two, it might just be I did see them a long, long time ago and can't quite remember.

Holden Pike 01-09-24 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by Thief (Post 2432064)
As for me, here's where I fall with the noms.
Seen before, but wouldn't mind a rewatch
Nightcrawler
Sin City
On my radar for a long time
Body Heat
La Haine
Shallow Grave
Didn't even know about it
Tightrope
SEEN BEFORE:
Body Heat, La Haine, Le Cercle Rouge, Nightcrawler, Red Rock West, Shallow Grave, SIN CITY, and Tightrope.

Holden Pike 01-09-24 10:02 AM

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For my personal definition the only two Eastwood flicks that really classify as Neo-Noir are Sudden Impact (which is the fourth Harry Callahan pic) and Tightrope, where he plays a cop nothing like his famous .44 Magnum-weilding detective.

I wrote a bunch about Tightrope in THIS THREAD....

http://www.movieforums.com/community...1&d=1401736522

Tightrope, released in 1984, is one of Clint's most mature and well-made genre efforts. The story of a New Orleans homicide detective investigating a series of grisly sexual-based murders that highlight his own kinky perversions and seem to implicate him as the prime suspect, it's a gritty and stylish neo-Noir with psycho-sexual themes and a terrific and layered central performance by Eastwood, taking the de-mythologizing of his Cop persona drastically further than he had in The Gauntlet. However, if you look at the credits, it'll say "DIRECTED BY RICHARD TUGGLE".

Tuggle was a screenwriter who had worked for Eastwood and Malpaso when he adapted Escape from Alcatraz for the screen, the last movie Clint and his mentor director Don Siegel worked on together. Clint was impressed with his work, and when Malpaso started developing one of Tuggle's original screenplays, Tightrope, Clint decided he'd give the screenwriter a shot at directing the project. Eastwood had done this before, promoting all the way up to director from personnel within Malpaso: when he got Michael Cimino his debut with Thunderbolt & Lightfoot (1974) after he'd written on Magnum Force (1973), and longtime stunt-actor and coordinator Buddy Van Horn who helmed Any Which Way You Can (1980) and later The Dead Pool (1988) and Pink Cadillac (1989).

But after only two days of production, Eastwood felt Tuggle wasn't up to the challenge. He let him go and stepped in to complete essentially the entire film with his own direction (Clint had directed ten features by then). The filming went smoothly, it turned out to be an excellent film, but when it came to arbitration with the Director's Guild they determined, in a landmark precedent, that Eastwood could not receive directorial credit - no matter how much of Tuggle's footage was or wasn't in the finished film. Because Clint was not only the principal star of the film but also the executive producer, the Guild decided they'd err on the side of caution and protect the original director. Still to this day it is called the Directors Guild of America's "Eastwood Rule". It's meant to protect directors from having their credit taken by a producer after filming has begun. Understandable, there have been horror stories over the years (some resulting in the infamous Alan Smithee pseudonym credit), but in the particular case of Tightrope maybe they should have looked at the specifics rather than automatically over-protecting the original director?

So anywho, it is still and will always be officially credited to Tuggle (who only directed one other film afterwards: 1986's Out of Bounds, a routine thriller starring Anthony Michael Hall), but Tightrope was directed by Clint Eastwood. Thus the asterisk, and my inclusion of it when I rated his filmography as director.

http://www.movieforums.com/community...1&d=1401736557

Don't know how many of you have seen Tightrope (it was a cable TV mainstay for years), but it's well worth tracking down. It is available on R1 DVD, so it shouldn't be impossible to locate. I definitely recommend it, directorial controversy or not. In addition to Eastwood's fine work in front of the camera (there was serious buzz that he may get his first Oscar nomination as actor for it - though ultimately that didn't happen until Unforgiven), it also showcases strong work by diminutive but sexy Canadian actress Geneviève Bujold (Anne of a Thousand Days, Dead Ringers, Coma). And Clint's own real-life daughter Alison plays one of his character's daughters (son Kyle, now a successful Jazz musician, co-starred in Honkytonk Man). Alison has become an actress as an adult, starring in Clint's Midnight in the Garden of Good & Evil as well as mostly straight-to-video stuff like Just a Little Harmless Sex and Friends & Lovers. She bared all in a 2003 issue of Playboy, and frankly that's well worth tracking down too.

http://www.movieforums.com/community...1&d=1401737033
Besides the kinky sex stuff Eastwood's character is into, the fact that he has two young daughters makes him much different than Harry Callahan, who seems to have zero personal life. These dark worlds of his police work and his extracurricular sexual activities juxtaposed with raising two young girls as a single father is an interesting mix, and not something he had played much to that point.

The New Orleans locations are used well, especially the scene in the warehouse of the Mardi Gras floats and the final chase through the graveyard and onto the train tracks. This was a few years before The Big Easy and Angel Heart as well as No Mercy and Down By Law and Johnny Handsome. After those slew of '80s films New Orleans became a regular cinematic location, from Hard Target and Zandalee and Undercover Blues in the early '90s and beyond.

As for the thriller and police procedural element, there isn't too much there. The faceless killer pretty much remains faceless until the very end, it is his creeping menace hiding in the dark that is leaned on rather than his motive, which is revealed very late. In today's climate I expect the sexual stuff would be even more explicit and maybe pressure to have more of a mystery about who the killer is and more of a twist in his reveal. But for its time and certainly for Eastwood's persona, it is pretty racy, bold, and memorable.



FOR HALL OF FAME PURPOSES:

Thief 01-09-24 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by Holden Pike (Post 2432429)
SEEN BEFORE:
Body Heat, La Haine, Le Cercle Rouge, Nightcrawler, Red Rock West, Shallow Grave, SIN CITY, and Tightrope.
Easy peasy HoF for you! :laugh:

Holden Pike 01-09-24 12:36 PM

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Here are some of the more Noir-ish stills I pulled from Tightrope (1984)...












Cinematography by Bruce Surtees (Night Moves, Escape from Alcatraz, The Outfit, Play Misty for Me, High Plains Drifter, The Outlaw Josey Wales, White Dog, Beverly Hills Cop). Editing by Joel Cox (Unforgiven, Bird, The Gauntlet, A Perfect World, Mystic River, Million Dollar Baby, Prisoners).

Wyldesyde19 01-09-24 01:08 PM

Glad to see there’s another fan of Toghrrope. Saw it a few years ago and I felt it was a very under appreciated film he made and also pretty great. Ke ya see how it holds up upon a rewatch

John-Connor 01-10-24 06:27 AM

La Haine is one of my all time/all genres favorite films ever. Never thought of it as a neo-noir though. It’ll be interesting to read others' thoughts on it. I might still consider it for my list afterwards.

John-Connor 01-10-24 06:28 AM

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Re-watched Tightrope yesterday, for the first time since the late eighties. The 6,3 on imdb always made me hesitant of rewatching. My theory is that the obvious underrating was done by folks expecting Dirty Harry 6 or something more of that nature. Tightrope ticks all the neo-noir boxes for me. The music, atmosphere, visuals and grimy detective story give you that hard to pinpoint noir vibe that separates it from the typical ‘Serial Killer Thriller’. Glad I revisited, props to Wyldsyde for nominating it otherwise I probably wouldn’t have. Ballot contender for sure.


Thief 01-10-24 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by John-Connor (Post 2432607)
La Haine is one of my all time/all genres favorite films ever. Never thought of it as a neo-noir though. It’ll be interesting to read others' thoughts on it. I might still consider it for my list afterwards.
I haven't seen it, so I don't know how much it falls under the neo-noir umbrella, but I saw a good bunch of articles labeling it as such.

Wyldesyde19 01-10-24 09:31 PM

I’ve only seen Sin City and Tightrope, but the others all are familiar to me and have been on my watchlist for years.
Guess this will be a good time to watch them, eh?

Torgo 01-12-24 11:21 AM

Shallow Grave -


Danny Boyle's feature debut is a pretty good noir that reminds us of the importance of background checks. Are the three roomies kind of cold and not particularly likeable? Sure, but this contributes to our reaction when we learn their fates. Also, while cold, they're hardly empty shells: each one has a distinct personality, which helps us imagine what we would do in their situation. In case you're wondering, I'd probably become the monster that Eccleston becomes. It's also a joy to see him, MacGregor and Peter Mullan before they became household names. It's not hard to see why their careers took off afterwards. I surprisingly haven't seen Kerry Fox in anything else, but she is in some movies I would like to see. I also liked seeing the hints of what would become Boyle's trademarks, the intro with the house music and frantic camera in particular.

I enjoyed the movie and think it tells a good story about how greed can turn even close-knit friendships into a house of cards, but I ultimately find it a bit serviceable on the whole. There was more than one time when I couldn't help but think of how most of the Coens' movies and the similar A Simple Plan did certain things better. I'm still glad I got to take another chance with it again, especially since I didn't like it that much the first time I saw it. I'm also glad that Cameron got the chance to stand up for himself.

Thief 01-12-24 11:55 AM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
Nice! Torgo is on the board. That leaves PHOENIX, Siddon, and Wyldesyde to chalk one up.

Torgo 01-12-24 12:00 PM

Looks like I picked the wrong week to sell my Le Cercle Rouge DVD. It's not streaming or on VOD.

https://i.postimg.cc/jdByG5VJ/MV5-BZ...Dk1-NTQ-V1.jpg

Thief 01-12-24 11:23 PM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
Currently watching Shallow Grave!

Torgo 01-16-24 02:54 PM

Nightcrawler -


I was lucky enough to see this in a theater - wow, it's ten years old already - and I think it has aged very well. The conditions in America for a Louis Bloom to come along are still there (although he'd probably put his footage on social media instead of selling it to news stations, but I digress). Career prospects are still uncertain for milennials and those in younger generations, so much so that many are rightfully compelled to create their own opportunities. An enterprising guy like Louis might have been a CEO if he were born 30 years earlier, and while his psychopathy might be innate, he wouldn't have had to rely on it to succeed. Also, the bottom line is still the dollar sign: buyers are just as likely to not care where the seller's goods came from if the price is right whether it's a scrap yard, pawn shop or news station. Oh, and does it scare anyone else how much Louis discovered just by surfing the 2014 web or is it just me?

Other than how true and thrilling this movie is, there are other notable things it does that make it hold up. For one, I love that it barely gives Bloom a backstory, which makes him seem more force of nature than person, not to mention provides plenty of questions to ask as to who he is. Frank, a.k.a. Ted from Mad Men, also stood out to me more this time for how much he doesn't stand out. In other words, I like that possibly the one guy at the station who still cares about journalistic integrity has been so marginalized. The movie ends up not just being a cult classic, but a classic overall for how it makes you think twice about the old quote that every fortune is a crime.

Torgo 01-19-24 01:04 PM

Tightrope -


As a fan of movies - noir or otherwise - where the hero fights a villain and their own demons at the same time, this is right up my alley. Making the setting New Orleans, a place that not only has everyone's vice, but also makes each one hard to resist, is an inspired choice. Casting Eastwood as Block is also inspired because he seems like a guy who could resist any temptation - he's the Good in The Good, the Bad and the Ugly after all - so when he can't, it hits harder than usual. Block's descent deserves credit for how gradually the scares and strangeness gets, and speaking of, his final pursuit of the killer is long, but it never becomes dull or runs out of steam, no pun intended. I also love the atmosphere, how Genevieve Bujold holds her own against Eastwood and that there are some good laughs despite the very R-rated material.

Fighting your own demons isn't easy, and as this movie successfully proves, it really isn't easy when your work and home lives make them stronger. The movie is not without its flaws: Dan Hedaya's character doesn't have much personality, and considering the high body count, I'm surprised Block's superiors didn't breathe down his neck more. With that said, considering the rather generic title and the fact that Clint has been in a lot of cop movies, I went in thinking this would be yet another one. It is, however, much more than that.

KeyserCorleone 01-20-24 09:57 PM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
Body Heat

I was interested in seeing early William Hurt as I didn't want to think of that ****wad Thaddeus Ross every time I thought of him. Now I think I'll probably think of Body Heat instead. This movie gets the molding of erotica and jazzy noir DOWN. The best thing about this movie was that sexy soundtrack (or maybe that's because I've been listening to jazz albums for the last two weeks). And these two lovers are quite magnetic onscreen. I ewas getting flashbacks to Basic Instinct. Unfortunately, the movie does drag on a bit, which gave me plenty of time to guess how the movie was going to go. While I liked the ending and the acotrs, the progression couldn't compete with the vibe and the soundtrack, but it's still a pretty good movie.



Torgo 01-22-24 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by KeyserCorleone (Post 2434450)
I was interested in seeing early William Hurt as I didn't want to think of that ****wad Thaddeus Ross every time I thought of him.
This made me laugh and realize that younger generations may only know William Hurt for that role. He was one of the great and most reliable actors of the '80s.

I've only seen Altered States and The Big Chill myself. I hope to see Broadcast News, Kiss of the Spider Woman and The Accidental Tourist some day.

GulfportDoc 01-22-24 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by Thief (Post 2433203)
Currently watching Shallow Grave!
Thief, I noticed your new avatar. Isn't that Sam Spruell? I just finished (thankfully) the 5th season of Fargo, where Spruell plays Ole Munch. I never understood the significance of his character, but he was good in it.

Thief 01-22-24 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by GulfportDoc (Post 2434790)
Thief, I noticed your new avatar. Isn't that Sam Spruell? I just finished (thankfully) the 5th season of Fargo, where Spruell plays Ole Munch. I never understood the significance of his character, but he was good in it.
Yep, that's him! Really loved the character, the performance, and the whole season. Currently struggling to decide if it knocks Season 1 as far as my favorite season goes.

Re: his significance...

WARNING: spoilers below

On the surface, Ole Munch might have seemed like an Anton Chigurh copy, and to a certain extent, he is; at least as far as Hawley goes to evoke the Coens tone and flavor. Mysterious hitman, silent, weird haircut, feels that he has to live by a certain code. However, the TV format allows the writers to expand on this character, and I thought they did a marvelous job. There are probably a thousand things we could get out of the whole performance, but I feel like I would need to rewatch it to get most of it, so I would limit myself to the finale.

The whole season was very heavy on religious symbolism, text, and subtext, but I think the most important piece of information we get on Ole Munch is that weird flashback we get "500 years ago" where we see one of his ancestors (or maybe Ole Munch himself?) who is forced to serve as a "sin eater"; someone who has to symbolically "eat the sins" of a dead man to grant him passage to Heaven, while he burdens himself with everyone else's sins.

Fast-forward to this final encounter Munch has with Dot and his family, where he still feels he has to kill Dot. He still considers the "debt" to be unpaid. However, Dot offers him instead a meal, not made of "sins" but made of "love", while arguing her case that he doesn't have to settle that "debt". That he could instead forgive it (contrast it with Lorraine's debt collection/settlement business). By eating that biscuit, he's choosing to unburden himself of past "sins" and past "debts". He's choosing love and forgiveness instead of sin and murder. The "debt" is forgiven, so he's not burdened by past "sins" anymore, which allows him to smile like he hasn't in a very long time.


That's part of what I get from it, in a nutshell. That finale, and the whole season, has stuck with me something fierce and I feel like I could babble on for days about those themes of forgiveness and redemption, and how it encompasses characters like Tillman, Gator, Witt Farr, Dot, etc.

Thief 01-22-24 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by Torgo (Post 2434740)
This made me laugh and realize that younger generations may only know William Hurt for that role. He was one of the great and most reliable actors of the '80s.

I've only seen Altered States and The Big Chill myself. I hope to see Broadcast News, Kiss of the Spider Woman and The Accidental Tourist some day.
He's great in Kiss of the Spider Woman, but he's also pretty good in Children of a Lesser God (80s), One True Thing (90s), and The Village (2000s). He also nabbed a couple of very good "cameos" on Cronenberg's A History of Violence and Syriana.

I've also seen him in a couple of little known 90s films: Tuck Everlasting and Second Best; two films that, even though they aren't necessarily great, he's still very good in it.

He also has an... interesting role on TV's Goliath, with Billy Bob Thornton.

Torgo 01-23-24 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Thief (Post 2434814)
He's great in Kiss of the Spider Woman, but he's also pretty good in Children of a Lesser God (80s), One True Thing (90s), and The Village (2000s). He also nabbed a couple of very good "cameos" on Cronenberg's A History of Violence and Syriana
I like him in the bolded too as well as his role on Damages.

In short, a good actor that I miss. Almost as good as his brother, John (sorry, couldn't resist).

Thief 01-23-24 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Torgo (Post 2434951)
I like him in the bolded too as well as his role on Damages.

In short, a good actor that I miss. Almost as good as his brother, John (sorry, couldn't resist).
That joke hurt


:shifty: Ok ok, I'll lead myself out

GulfportDoc 01-23-24 05:17 PM

Body Heat (1981)

Likely
in sequence the second great neo-noir of the later 20th Century following Chinatown (1975), it was both written and directed by Lawrence Kasdan (Star Wars films, Raiders of the Lost Ark). The first rate cinematography was handled by Richard H. Kline (The Boston Strangler, Soylent Green).

In a small Florida town William Hurt plays a second-rate attorney, Ned Racine, who commences an affair with Matty Walker (Kathleen Turner), the wife of wealthy tycoon Edmond Walker (Richard Crenna). Matty wants a divorce, but because of a pre-nuptial agreement, the only way she can acquire her husband’s fortune is if he is killed. She and Ned hatch a plan to murder Edmond in such a way as to show that it was an accident. Ned gets assistance from an explosives expert (Mickey Rourke) to make it look like Edmond was accidentally blown up in his factory following his surreptitious murder by Ned.

Matty decides to forge a new will making her sole beneficiary of the estate, cutting out anyone else in the family. Ned knew that the new document could be discovered as a forgery, which might expose them both. Several of Ned’s colleagues and the police start to suspect his involvement. What follows are several twists, double dealings, switched identities, and faked deaths which all lead to an atypical classic noir ending.

Right from the start the classical noir chiaroscuro lighting is effectively replaced by the portrayal of the sultry oppressive heat and mood of a small southern town in the humidity of the summer. Much of the action takes place at night or indoors so the shading of a mystery is enhanced. Ironically most of the film was shot during a cold winter spell, so efforts by the makeup and props crews had to work to imitate the sweaty summer environment.

Their are two
common important differences in the depiction of classic noir to neo-noir. One is the typical absence of the femme fatale in neo-noir; the other is the addition of more explicit sex, made newly possible by the loss of censorship that had been present in the classic era. But in Body Heat there is a nasty scheming femme fatale, and there is also plenty of steamy sex. Screenwriter Kasdan has certainly channeled James N. Cain (Double Indemnity, The Postman Always Rings Twice). Absent the use of color film and the portrayal of sexual intimacy, the film could have been made in 1950.

Kathleen Turner exploded into recognition in this her debut film, and both she and Mickey Rourke are put solidly on the map. It is a landmark film that serves as one of the finest example of neo-noir.

Holden Pike 01-24-24 09:25 AM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoTu12YZRnA

Torgo 01-26-24 12:13 PM

La Haine -


This is one of the '90s’ great movies, and what a '90s movie it is. With its Tarantino-like conversations and monologues and Linklater-like slice of life structure, it is unmistakably of that decade and rife with the best touches of its indie movement. The movie is very much its own entity, though, especially since it does things I haven't seen before or possibly since. Perhaps only the mirror shot from Contact rivals the ingenious "you talkin' to me" scene, for instance. With that said, is it merely an aesthetic marvel? Definitely not. It totally makes you feel like you're walking in the shoes of someone society has deemed as undesirable and second-class. I'll never forget Cassell's work as Vinz - whose downward spiral is appropriately on par with Travis Bickle's - nor the work of Taghmaoui or Kounde as his best friends. Speaking of, the movie is just as invaluable as a study on the roots of friendship, and while it can only help so much, it does help whether it’s because you need a nudge in the right direction, or which this manages to do many times despite its underlying darkness, a reason to laugh.

So, in what category does this movie belong? I've seen it labeled as a social drama, which fits, and with its aesthetics, criminal element, hero’s desire for revenge and confusion over what's good and what's bad, a neo-noir, which also fits. Regardless, the best movies tend to not fit neatly into any single category, and besides, the important thing is that it succeeds in making you realize how hatred and violent impulses develop. It also makes you understand how one can believe that they are the only means of escape. Sadly, such believers are just as likely to be on their receiving end.

GulfportDoc 01-28-24 02:14 PM

Shallow Grave (1994)

Being a black comedy, the film has neither the mood nor the look of a noir. But it does contain a familiar noir trope: a person or persons are enticed by something that they know is wrong or illegal, but they do it anyway, and in the end suffer the consequences.

A trio of flatmates in Edinburgh are looking for an additional boarder to help with the rent. After auditioning several who didn’t fit the bill they finally accept a good candidate. But soon the new tenant dies of a drug overdose, after which the others discover a suitcase full of money left by the deceased. Following some deliberation they decide to dispose of the body in grisly fashion and keep the money. But presently they are shocked to realize that two criminals, having some relationship to the origin of the cash, are viciously in the hunt for the money filled suitcase. How those criminals discover the flatmates, along with the interaction of the trio of renters forms the rest of the action.

The chief feature of the production is the fine acting by a young Ewan McGregor, along with Christopher Eccelston and Kerry Fox. The quirky but uneven screenplay was from John Hodge (Trainspotting), directed by Danny Boyle (Slumdog Millionaire). Based on the look of the film and its offbeat nature the producers were likely inspired by the Coen Brothers.



Sin City (2005)

This picture was a new watch for me. It’s a full-bodied satire of the noir style based upon Frank Miller’s comic book series, Sin City. In replication of a comic book look the filming technology, or “visual shaping” was outstanding. The enhanced black and white photography was occaionally peppered with stark spot insertions of bright color. Consqently the film won the Technical Grand Prize at the Cannes film festival.

It boasted an all star cast, including Bruce Willis, Mickey Rourke, Benicio del Toro, Jessica Alba, Alexi Biedel, Rutger Hauer, and Clive Owen. The direction is chiefly by Robert Rodriguez (Machete). with a little help from Frank Miller and Quentin Tarantino. Rodriguez also filmed and edited.

The picture is complex with competing story lines presented in six sections, so I won’t attempt a synopsis. There is lots of graphic violence present in a matrix of exaggerated comic book style, and one has to suspend credulity when listening to hammy overdramatic lines uttered by the actors. For those who appreciate unconventional or strange productions, they will enjoy this picture. But to me the picture was a heavy handed, although technically accomplished, spoof of noir that had little appeal.

Wyldesyde19 01-29-24 09:34 PM

Going to start this up this week

Torgo 02-02-24 12:41 PM

Body Heat -


Of all the neo-noirs, this is the noirest. But seriously, this is one of the most effusive love letters to a genre I've ever seen. That the movie has a femme fatale rivaling the best ones in the genre's original run has a lot to do with it, and now that I know it's a debut, it has to be one of the most impressive ones of all time. With her grace, confidence and that voice, Kathleen Turner makes Matty irresistible and her duplicity cut deep in equal measure. Both are all but enhanced by William Hurt, whose chemistry with her made me feel the heat as much as they do. Speaking of him, I like the ways he makes Ned seem like he's not as smart as he thinks he is and a guy who has given up trying to control his base impulses. The moments where he spots Matty at the concert and "lets himself in" to her house gave me jolts of adrenalin. There's also Danson and Rourke, but I don't want to say too much more about the performances because good acting is not all the movie has going for it. I love that at every moment, you can feel the heat - literally and figuratively - and I’m a big fan of Kasdan's witty dialogue and visual flair. The moments when we see Ned reflected on the car window or when Matty's dress makes her glow in the dark could best be described as cinephile pay dirt.

This movie successfully argues that in a man's world, a femme fatale could get anything she wanted if she’s willing to go that far - if you know what I mean - to get it. It is, however, very important to have a good exit strategy. With its performances, atmosphere you can cut with a knife and for never not being entertaining, this movie is as good a gateway movie as any to the noir and neo-noir genres. In other words, a fan of either need not be led by the…never mind to watch this.

KeyserCorleone 02-02-24 05:55 PM

Tightrope

As much as I typically enjoy Clint Eastwood movies, I gotta say I was kinda disappointed in this one. I was starting to like the charisma between the characters in the first half-hour, but they never evolved beyond that in the next 80 minutes. It kinda makes a grand appearance by Clint Eastwood of all people feel redundant. On top of that, damn was the plot slow. Anything interesting that contributed to the case felt sparse and lacking in any real thrills. Sure, there were some pretty well put-together moments, but as a whole it needed thirty minutes cut out and thirty minutes of plotting. For the most part I liked the jazzy music. Apparently, it was done by a man who had been doing "cool jazz" albums since the 50's, and as a fan of Bill Evans and Miles Davis, especially as a fan of the Taxi Driver soundtrack, I can get behind that. But sometimes it felt inappropriate. A fight scene had slower music that sounded exactly like something in a build-up scene in a 70's tv slasher. As a guy who watched a lot of cop shows in my early teens, I was really hoping for a lot more. I really wanted more out of Clint Eastwood, and since I'm on a Cheers binge, I wanted more out of Dan Hedeya, too. I was really excited for his part when I saw his name in the opening credits, as I had just watched the episode where his Cheers character Nick tries to charm Carla into giving up custody of her oldest kid. But this didn't do either actor any justice, no cop pun intended. One more little note: that girl isn't her, but she looks A LOT like Heather O'Rourke.


Thief 02-02-24 08:40 PM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
Wow, a lot of activity all of a sudden! Nice. I just updated the first post.

Thief 02-02-24 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by GulfportDoc (Post 2435786)
Shallow Grave (1994)

Being a black comedy, the film has neither the mood nor the look of a noir. But it does contain a familiar noir trope: a person or persons are enticed by something that they know is wrong or illegal, but they do it anyway, and in the end suffer the consequences.

A trio of flatmates in Edinburgh are looking for an additional boarder to help with the rent. After auditioning several who didn’t fit the bill they finally accept a good candidate. But soon the new tenant dies of a drug overdose, after which the others discover a suitcase full of money left by the deceased. Following some deliberation they decide to dispose of the body in grisly fashion and keep the money. But presently they are shocked to realize that two criminals, having some relationship to the origin of the cash, are viciously in the hunt for the money filled suitcase. How those criminals discover the flatmates, along with the interaction of the trio of renters forms the rest of the action.

The chief feature of the production is the fine acting by a young Ewan McGregor, along with Christopher Eccelston and Kerry Fox. The quirky but uneven screenplay was from John Hodge (Trainspotting), directed by Danny Boyle (Slumdog Millionaire). Based on the look of the film and its offbeat nature the producers were likely inspired by the Coen Brothers.
I still need to write my review, but I really enjoyed this. I can see your Coen reference in how the film manages to walk that fine line between being quirky and slightly disturbing, It was a good one.

Originally Posted by GulfportDoc (Post 2435786)
Sin City (2005)

This picture was a new watch for me. It’s a full-bodied satire of the noir style based upon Frank Miller’s comic book series, Sin City. In replication of a comic book look the filming technology, or “visual shaping” was outstanding. The enhanced black and white photography was occaionally peppered with stark spot insertions of bright color. Consqently the film won the Technical Grand Prize at the Cannes film festival.

It boasted an all star cast, including Bruce Willis, Mickey Rourke, Benicio del Toro, Jessica Alba, Alexi Biedel, Rutger Hauer, and Clive Owen. The direction is chiefly by Robert Rodriguez (Machete). with a little help from Frank Miller and Quentin Tarantino. Rodriguez also filmed and edited.

The picture is complex with competing story lines presented in six sections, so I won’t attempt a synopsis. There is lots of graphic violence present in a matrix of exaggerated comic book style, and one has to suspend credulity when listening to hammy overdramatic lines uttered by the actors. For those who appreciate unconventional or strange productions, they will enjoy this picture. But to me the picture was a heavy handed, although technically accomplished, spoof of noir that had little appeal.
This is one I'm looking forward to revisit, mostly because it's been since its release that I last watched it. I wonder how it would fare now.

Wyldesyde19 02-04-24 10:55 PM

I’ll have a review of Sin City soon. Rented Body Heat and Nightcrawler, so I’ll be watching those soon, followed by La Haine and Tightrope.

KeyserCorleone 02-04-24 11:32 PM

La Haine

Sop three things about this movie are done masterfully. First, these actors are so convincing that I got scared of them on multiple occasions. Their fights felt so real that it was difficult to want to stand in the same room or even twenty feet as any of them. Secondly, the visual aspects is flawless. This is some of the finest cinematography I've seen from the 90's. And third and finally, the impact hits like a football dogpile. So there's clear cause for the reception this movie gets towards foreign film explorers. However, there are two problems. This movie is a product of a dead French scene known as "cinema du look." This was a movement that featured minimal substance, and unfortunately this shows. See, I don't care what a "movement" says. On second nature I was comparing this to other hood films like Do the Right Thing which had much more substance. The point of this movie is the bitterness of the surroundings, which come on effectively, but so strong that it drowns out any chance of the characters either differing from each other or evolving.

One more thing, I really don't see how this is noir in anyway, shape or form. It's dark and crime related, but it doesn't have that noirish presence or any of the storytelling rules. It's mostly just bitter.


Torgo 02-05-24 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by KeyserCorleone (Post 2437208)
One more thing, I really don't see how this is noir in anyway, shape or form. It's dark and crime related, but it doesn't have that noirish presence or any of the storytelling rules. It's mostly just bitter.
I picked this one based on these websites:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...neo-noir_films
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113247...ef_=tt_stry_kw

If enough people who've seen it don't think it's an actual neo-noir, I'm happy to pick another movie. It's late in the game, but only two of us have watched it so far.

Thief 02-05-24 09:11 AM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
It is actually referenced as noir/neo-noir in several articles:

La haine and after: Arts, Politics, and the Banlieue

La Haine: jusqu’ici tout va bien?

I haven't seen it yet, so I can't argue much, but the flavor seems to be there to a certain degree.

Torgo 02-05-24 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by Thief (Post 2437244)
It is actually referenced as noir/neo-noir in several articles:

La haine and after: Arts, Politics, and the Banlieue

La Haine: jusqu’ici tout va bien?

I haven't seen it yet, so I can't argue much, but the flavor seems to be there to a certain degree.
Cool. Good finds. You just don't want to be "that guy" who doesn't follow the rules.

Thief 02-05-24 10:05 AM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
Regardless, it is eligible according to our eligibility rules, which you listed, so you're "following the rules". Just illustrating with the links that seeing the film as "neo-noir" is not something isolated or rare.

Wyldesyde19 02-06-24 02:01 PM

Sin City

A comic book adaptation brought to life visually by Robert Rodriguez as an anthology film, SC portrays a city overrun by corruption. All 3 stories, bookended by a short prologue and epilogue of sorts, feature just how corrupt the city is and just how violent. It’s sort of like if NYC and Gotham combined without Spiderman or Batman to preotect its civilians.

That’s not to say there aren’t heroes. Sort of. More like anti heroes caught up in circumstances that necessitated their involvement.

The first story is about a detective (Bruce Willis) freeing a young girl from a kidnapper that turns into a two parter, bridging two other stories.

A second features a mountain of a man (a career resurgence for Mickey Rourke) waking up next to a dead hooker and thrust into a mystery surrounding her death. To me, the best of the stories.

The third features a man (Clive Owen) protecting his ex (Britney Murphy) from her abusive boyfriend (Benicio Del Toro) who has his own surprise.

Each story becomes more complex and is shot in black and white with the occasional splash of color.

Not much to say here, it’s decent, fun to re watch even, but it isn’t anything that stands out as remarkable to me.

Thief 02-07-24 11:40 PM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
Hooray! Wyldesyde's on the board.

I'm halfway through Tightrope myself, but I don't think I'll be able to finish it tonight. It'll be tomorrow. I also need to write something on Shallow Grave, which I saw a couple of weeks ago. I'm way behind on my reviews.

PHOENIX74 02-08-24 01:05 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/yYZ9GphP/nightcrawler.webp

Nightcrawler - 2014

Directed by Dan Gilroy

Written by Dan Gilroy

Starring Jake Gyllenhaal, Rene Russo, Riz Ahmed & Bill Paxton

Let's cut straight to it - Jake Gyllenhaal plays a great sociopath in Nightcrawler : a person who consistently shows no regard for right and wrong and ignores the rights and feelings of others, as the dictionary definition goes. That kind of character fits in very neatly with tabloid journalism - the media phenomenon which seems itself a metaphor for sociopathy. What's great in this film is that Gyllenhaal's character, Louis Bloom, takes his role as a stringer one step further and starts influencing the stories he's capturing for news station KWLA 6. At first it's shifting photographs to blend in with bullet holes, then it's moving bodies - finally, he's orchestrating shootouts with police and desperados. That's going a step beyond being an unfazed spectator - which is where being a complete sociopath usually leads. His methods are a comment on sensationalist shock tabloid reporting itself, and that along with the fact that this is a near-flawless film makes it a modern classic.

Bloom starts out a thief and crook, always on the lookout for what pays - and when he accidentally stumbles on some nightcrawlers filming footage of a burning car wreck he discovers something he never knew about, which in turn equates to cash. A few good shots of an accident, good coverage of a crime scene and an interview make up a decent night's wages. Bloom's character is that of a determined learner - and he's relentless in his goal of becoming an efficient and talented photojournalist. He develops a professional relationship with news director Nina Romina (Rene Russo) and hires a navigator and assistant - Rick (Riz Ahmed) - whom he pays a paltry $35 per night. When the competition, Joe Loder (Bill Paxton) muscles in, Bloom deals with him in a cold and calculating way. His unethical methods eventually draw the attention of a couple of police detectives - but Bloom pushes on regardless into the blackest of black nights, a master of manipulation and very dangerous man to cross.

Man, I love Gyllenhaal in this - his performance creeps me out every time I see it. Those dead eyes, a key to an expression that never once exhibits warmth, understanding or empathy. He's like a cold, calculating snake who stiffens when he hears criticism - and although he never strikes you can feel the icy rage under the surface. Louis Bloom has no qualms at all with murder, and his go-to method of seduction is blackmail - perfect for the character. Gyllenhaal was nominated for many awards - including a BAFTA and Golden Globe. It's certainly surprising that he wasn't nominated for an Oscar. The only Oscar nomination the film garnered was for Best Original Screenplay - Dan Gilroy's cutting jab at tabloid journalism deserved at least that. 2014 was a massive year for films though, with the field including Boyhood, Foxcatcher, The Grand Budapest Hotel and the eventual winner Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance) - five better movies I'd be hard-pressed to find in any category for any year.

The night setting is obviously perfect for the story, and influenced by the night photography of Weegee (Arthur Fellig), whose New York shots often included the grisly aftermath of violence or tragedy, sometimes particularly bad automobile accidents - you could call him one of the original nightcrawlers, as he'd sell his shots to tabloid newspapers. Cinematographer Robert Elswit used wide-angle lenses and a large depth of field to make what we see in the film look like a wildlife documentary, accentuating the wildness of night-time Los Angeles. There's a vibrancy to it, and a lot of speed and motion - a feeling of animalistic 'survival of the fittest' amongst what we see. Capitalism at it's most pure - a Darwin-like hierarchy both in terms of life and death and in relation to competing for the finite resource of wealth and reward. The darkness doesn't feel like chilly dread, but instead is a backdrop to neon violence, predators, and the many pitfalls of life - a place to think fast and watch out.

To add to the general feel of the film, James Newton Howard wisely went the way of mood-enhancing electronica synth music - not his usual province as far as film scores go, but it works perfectly in Nightcrawler. What else really? Considering the fact the visual elements are so wedded to speed and the concrete and neon jungle of L.A., no other kind of accompaniment would do. Fascinating is what Howard did, as he explained, to "put us in Lou Bloom's mind" - for example, in the scene where Bloom moves a body to create a better shot and we're all instinctively reacting with horror and revulsion, the score instead shifts to a triumphant sounding climax - reflecting how excited the character is to experience what is to him a breakthrough and step forward in his evolutionary progress on the ladder of media success. It tells us more about him. So one of the added ambitions the score had was to try and give the audience a sense of what Bloom is going through internally during certain moments - another praiseworthy aspect of the film.

Beyond how well all of it's technical elements perform and are combined, I love Nightcrawler for being the dark, gritty, cognizant, intelligent and meaningful motion picture it is. The fact that it has artistic credibility and also an entertaining story to tell is evidenced by the fact that the distributors advertised the film in two different ways to both arthouse and mainstream audiences. It's one of those films that works both ways, and works well performance-wise, story-wise, visually and sound-wise. It's story is one that's compelling as well as shocking and sensational. It's all well and truly anchored and led up front by Jake Gyllenhaal's utter brilliance in giving us a truly disturbing glance at what someone with antisocial personality disorder looks like. Able to function well at what he does, but not someone you'd ever want to be close to. For poor Nina, it means pressure to slink down into the depths with him, tied to his success - and lack of scruples.

It's really good to see Nightcrawler hold up so well a decade after it's release. It was a standout during one of the 21st Century's better years for producing great films - but I wondered how well it would do over time. Turns out it's still as important, and if anything plays better now - a neo-noir master-work that has that special veneer of perfection about it. I think it was a little too dark to usher in more Oscar nominations, and was hurt by turning up during a particularly strong year, though I'm still surprised Gyllenhaal wasn't nominated. It does particularly well in shining a light on how this kind of gutter journalism tends to focus our attention away from what is actually important and instead fixes our gaze on the sensational and tawdry - to the detriment of everyone. As far as antiheroes go, Louis Bloom is up there with Tom Ripley, and his success in the film's narrative is the movie's crowning indictment on modern media today. I also think he's one of the freakiest, most unnerving characters I've ever seen - managing to go that far without breaking a sweat, yelling or doing anything really crazy. He breezes through the night unnoticed, and as such is a hidden danger - a quiet, insidious poison rewarded by a broken system.


GulfportDoc 02-08-24 05:57 PM

[note: I hadn't meant to backup Phoenix74's review. I just happened to have written it at this time.]

Nightcrawler (2014)

This is a mesmerizing film, more of a psychological thriller rather than a neo-noir, although its focus on denizens of the night give it a certain noir darkness.

Jake Gyllenhaal plays Lou Bloom who is introduced as a petty criminal who happens upon a car crash which is being photographed by a stringer-- a free lance photogrpher who takes live pictures of accidents or other hot news items, and sells them to news outlets.


Soon acquiring a police radio, Lou often beats the police to the scene of a crime or accident, thereby getting sensational pictures and videos. He adds an associate, Rick (Riz Ahmed), and also starts to develop an intimate relationship with the news director (Renee Russo) of the TV station he sells his vidoes to. Unfortunately Lou tends to alter the accident or crime scenes in order to make his photography more sensational, which works to increase his sales and income. Along with that Lou becomes more sociopathic, and loses any sense of morality.

WARNING: spoilers below
Despite Lou’s reprehensible methods, in very un-noir like fashion, he not only remains unpunished, but in the end both thrives, flourishes and expands his business.

The audience quickly finds itself becoming voyeuristic, tending to condemn Lou’s practices, but yet fascinated by his results. This is one of the major points of the picture, juxtaposing rank consumerism with the public’s tendency to be attracted to exploitive journalism.

There’s little to criticize in the production. Previously known for his screenwriting, Dan Gilroy (The Bourne Legacy) both wrote and directed the picture, with first rate cinematography by Robert Elswit (There Will Be Blood). The score by James Newton Howard (The Dark Night) was well thought out and very effective. The film’s positive critical reception really put Gyllenhaal on the map as a top star.

Wyldesyde19 02-08-24 07:16 PM

Body Heat

It starts with a chance meeting. He’s obsessed within moments of meeting her. It turns into an affair and soon leads to murder. The heat from the passion they exude matched only by the heat in Florida.

Ned Racine (played charismatically with a touch of naïveté by William Hurt) soon finds himself in over his head when the affair becomes more complicated. The woman in question is a wife of some rich former attorney who seems to be involved with some unsavory people. The woman is played by Kathleen Turner, in a dramatic turn where she portrays innocence and conniving in equal measure. Richard Cremona is her husband.

The way the plot unfolds, with little details being revealed ever so slightly, is easy to follow. In some Noir, the plot can sometimes become a little convoluted. Here, Kasdan (who wrote and directed) keeps it simple yet precise. We’re never lost in what’s going on, even if some is implied rather than spelled out.

Turner and Hurt are great in this. Their chemistry is evident. But a shout out also goes to Ted Danson, as a prosecutor who likes to dance when ever he finds time. Crenna and Mickey Rourke also hit the right notes with their limited screen time.

But this film is all about Hurt and Turner. And the web each weaves as they try to avoid being ensnared. Hurt is warned about her, but ignores it. It isn’t until it’s too late when he realizes that maybe it wasn’t a chance meeting to begin with If he had been astute, he would have recognized the warning signs were there, from the moment she says:
“You aren’t very bright, are you? I like that in a man…”

Fantastic pick.

Thief 02-08-24 10:29 PM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
Halfway through Nightcrawler. I need to catch up.

PHOENIX74 02-09-24 05:02 AM

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La Haine - 1995

Directed by Mathieu Kassovitz

Written by Mathieu Kassovitz

Starring Vincent Cassel, Hubert Koundé & Saïd Taghmaoui

When I think of La Haine, I think of the concrete wasteland and how Pierre Aïm's black & white photography turns everything into different shades of cement. Paris looks like one gigantic prison - for the kids who grow up there, nothing much pleases the eye. Everywhere graffiti speaks for the kids who live there in protest. There are damp tunnels, endless tenements and at the moment this film takes place uniformed police around every corner - who wouldn't want to break free? Who wouldn't resent this after a while - when your socioeconomic status means the kids who you hang out with help push drugs, and deal in stolen goods. When every so often you get picked up by the wrong cops, and are brutalized because you've been lumped with punks and hoodlums. For me the black & white of La Haine really emphasizes the concrete desolation of the poorer areas of Paris, where the unemployed and underemployed eke out a living, their kids running wild in a world where there's nothing to do but get into trouble.

The film itself deals with a day in the life of three kids : Vinz (Vincent Cassel), from a Jewish family but not devout, Hubert (Hubert Koundé), who likes boxing and trains in a gym which has just been destroyed in the latest riots, and Saïd (Saïd Taghmaoui), a North African Muslim who is the glue who keeps the three together. They are friends in the sense kids generally are when they hang out together each day. During that last riot a cop lost his gun, and it was Vinz who found it. He declares that he's going to get revenge for the latest injustice done to a kid by the cops - Abdel Ichaha (Abdel Ahmed Ghili) was brutalized by the police and is in critical condition. Hubert doesn't want Vinz to throw his life away by killing a cop - and is angry at him for having those intentions. The three of them travel around in an almost aimless fashion, trying to visit Abdel in hospital, and travelling into central Paris causing trouble and having fun. Guns though, have a tendency to cause grief all by themselves - they just need fools to carry them.

It's no easy equation. I mean, there are good cops, and there are bad cops. Then there are good kids and bad kids. Do you blame the bad kids when everything goes to hell? Whose fault is it that their lives are ones of misery, crime and waste? You can certainly blame one if he sets your car on fire - but the bigger picture has the blame on those who would keep their feet on the necks of the poor, making sure economic disparity keeps money flowing upwards. In the meantime, some cops start out in an idealistic manner, until a friend gets killed or a kid hurts them - after a while they can turn. In any case, much exists in that grey area where there are no easy answers - and I think you'd find most kids are good. The really bad ones lead from the front - do the burning, and the hurting. In the midst of the fighting and the shouting - the scuffles and the arrests - the burning and the looting - a shot rings out, and down goes one of these kids. One of the ones who weren't all that bad really. Down they go - they fall to the concrete ground dying. The cop whose gun has gone off is sometimes good and sometimes bad. It's the situation that leads to this inevitable result - again and again.

La Haine has us hang out with three kids who are no angels, but are no evil psychopaths either. They're no racists, but they deal drugs and smoke dope. They are where they are in their lives almost literally because they are where they are. They live in the Paris slums. This is simply what it is like - they're products of their community, and they're products of their status. Nobody helps Hubert get somewhere boxing - he's the one who has to help his family financially, not the other way around. They don't know anything at all of what exists outside of their small world of petty crime, selling dope, shoplifting, and roaming the streets looking for something to do. They're just following in the footsteps of all the kids who went before them - and even if they really wanted a job, there's no good prospects from where they stand. They'd have to fight tooth and nail for the lowliest, dirty jobs available - and with easier ways of earning money, kids like these have their paths already marked out. There's nothing for them - and at that age boredom is something not to be tolerated.

The feeling we get from La Haine is a very energetic one - the camera moves in an almost documentary fashion, and we scurry around a lot with the kids. The soundtrack leads with Burnin' and Lootin' by Bob Marley, but it's when DJ Cut Killer gives us an onscreen diegetic mix of Edith Piaf and KRS One that the film really gives you a full-on impression of how it's using rap and reggae to produce an authentic "French dissent" sound to the film. It's a sound that infuses itself into the film and is inseparable from the visual aspect. It's the sound of controlled anger - it's a taunt and a protest aimed at the most visual manifestation of these kids' pain, and that's the police themselves. Most of the graffiti that the action nearly centers itself around alludes to the cops. It's a terrific sound though - the soundtrack driven mixture is at the forefront and really drives the point home. Really a huge part of this film - and helps to draw positives from the youth culture here, such as when our three protagonists stop to watch some talented dancers perform well-rehearsed routines that are genuinely incredible.

I also like the little moments in La Haine that speak to the issues on a large or small scale. The kids visit a guy who's car has been burned to a husk - to them it's nothing, and to us on a large scale, it's just protest. But to the guy who's car has been destroyed, it's their entire life upended, wrecked and ruined because cars are expensive and often the lack of one has a debilitating effect on how a person gets by in the world. These kids are burning cars that belong to average Joes - sometimes people in economic circumstances not that different to them. It's part of the protest that's senseless, because the target is so random. Because of where these kids live, they end up burning the infrastructure around them. Hubert's gym has been completely destroyed in the riots - what was the purpose of that, if the riots themselves were in response to the harm being done to the kids in the area? When the kids strike out - it's often blindly, and never calculated and thus, often it makes little sense.

So, obviously a powerful film - especially with the ending it has, which is the whole point rammed home. It doesn't pontificate - it does what all good movies do, which is it simply shows. We get a sense of who these kids are, and in the main they're simply kids. It has a living pulse, and although the kids are often blind to it, we see the good cops and the bad cops around. We see the fear, and we see the hate. We see that the enemy really is the hate - and like germs, the hate breeds in all corners of the Paris slums. It festers, and it becomes inflamed by every accident - every inevitable accident brought about by the conditions around these kids. It becomes inflamed whenever an act of hatred is given the ultimate outlet, as we see in the film. But as long as there are slums, the hate will still be there. You can't have one without the other. You almost feel that there's need of another revolution - because without one the money will never stop flowing to those who don't need more of it, and it will never go to those who desperately need it. I'm not talking socialism - I'm just talking common decency, and common sense.


Torgo 02-09-24 10:56 AM

Good writeup PHOENIX, and I'm glad you called out the soundtrack. I think that's the third or fourth time I watched it, but the DJ and breakdancing scenes still give me goosebumps.

Thief 02-09-24 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by KeyserCorleone (Post 2436868)
Tightrope

One more little note: that girl isn't her, but she looks A LOT like Heather O'Rourke.

Damn right! I had to double check the credits to confirm it wasn't her

Torgo 02-09-24 11:49 AM

What do you think Louis Bloom from Nightcrawler's backstory is?

I think he came from a well-to-do family, his mother or father likely being a CEO or similar high-ranking position, which could explain why he is enterprising. He also may be a product of abuse, which made him run away from home and fend for himself. Alternatively, the family may have suffered a huge setback, such as losing everything in a Ponzi scheme, the 2008 financial crisis, etc., which forced them on the street.

Thief 02-09-24 11:57 AM

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I think it's fun to imagine the why's, but I do like that we don't get any background. That said, I've always felt he comes from a more modest home, probably with little education, which is why his conversations sound so much like rehearsed monologues that he picks up from the Internet. For the most part, he doesn't know how to interact, other than through structured and scripted conversations that he seems to have practiced in front of a mirror over and over.

Torgo 02-09-24 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Thief (Post 2437992)
I think it's fun to imagine the why's, but I do like that we don't get any background. That said, I've always felt he comes from a more modest home, probably with little education, which is why his conversations sound so much like rehearsed monologues that he picks up from the Internet. For the most part, he doesn't know how to interact, other than through structured and scripted conversations that he seems to have practiced in front of a mirror over and over.
Good call; everything he says and how he says it is designed to deceive and manipulate. Classic sociopath behavior. Jake and Dan Gilroy did their research.

Yet more reasons to feel bitter about Jake being snubbed by the Academy. Eddie Redmayne? Get outta here...

Torgo 02-09-24 01:32 PM

Sin City -


It was nice to watch this again because if I could sum up my first viewing experience with one word, it would be "overwhelming." With the movie's then-unique visuals, flowery narration, just as flowery dialogue and hard-R violence, there was a lot for my slightly younger brain to process. I liked it, but the many stimuli affected my enjoyment. This time, I knew what to expect and thus was in a better space to enjoy the ride and enjoy it I did.

While everything I mentioned made this viewing more fun, they would all be sound and fury if it weren't for the characterizations, which are the movie's secret weapons (yes, even more than Miho's arsenal). Our heroes in the three stories are more than worth the investment, but it's Del Toro's delightfully sleazy cop Jackie Boy who is the MVP. A guy who not only knows how to have fun with a part, but also whose fun is contagious - see The Usual Suspects - he knows exactly what kind of movie he is in. Also, as his fate encapsulates, the violence is extreme, but it manages to be funny and make you admire its beauty as much as it shocks. Take the execution scene, which proves that for some tough bastards, flipping the switch once is not enough. Again, not enough can be said about the look and feel - besides what maybe Nolan is doing, what else has been this daring since - and its fractured, Tarantino-like narrative is a welcome and meaningful touch.

Rodriguez, Tarantino, Miller and company deserve all the praise for their depiction of a world where doing the right thing will most likely get you killed. However, if you don't die, you'll end up feeling like you have fought a war all by yourself. When I’m in the mood for a rewatch, the movies of the mid-2000's are not ones I typically reach for. I doubt I am not alone in thinking they are relatively lean years. Since this was not only better the second time around, but also from this era, seeing it again was an especially sweet surprise. In other words, it's like being pulled over, but being let off with a mere busted taillight warning.

Thief 02-09-24 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Torgo (Post 2438003)
Good call; everything he says and how he says it is designed to deceive and manipulate. Classic sociopath behavior. Jake and Dan Gilroy did their research.

Yet more reasons to feel bitter about Jake being snubbed by the Academy. Eddie Redmayne? Get outta here...
I haven't seen The Theory of Everything, but I still think Gyllenhaal deserved a nomination.Based on the ones I've seen, I would've bumped Cumberbatch (I haven't seen American Sniper either)

Wyldesyde19 02-09-24 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Thief (Post 2438109)
I haven't seen The Theory of Everything, but I still think Gyllenhaal deserved a nomination.Based on the ones I've seen, I would've bumped Cumberbatch (I haven't seen American Sniper either)
American Sniper is ok, but nothing great. I would have kept Cumberbatch and bumped Cooper.
I finished NightCrawler and will have a review for it tonight sometime.
I’ll then have La Haine and Tightrope done this weekend.
I’ll need links for the last 4 films

Thief 02-09-24 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by Wyldesyde19 (Post 2438126)
I’ll need links for the last 4 films
Make sure you drop a message on this thread.

KeyserCorleone 02-10-24 04:07 PM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
Le Cercle Rouge

First, lemme say that the slow pacing only worked half the time for me. Sometimes it was really cool just to chill with the powerful noirish vibes. Through what some critics have labelled as "understatement," this movie maintains its cool and calm demeanor in a way that overpowers you. But unfortunately, this movie challenges patience more than Satantango. This wouldn't be much of a problem for me if there was more meat to the characters. There was some meat and some interesting conversations with great dialogue, but not enough to overcome a four-star rating for me. It goes without saying that the actual half-hour heist montage was very well done. And whenever the music was there it ****ing rocked, but I seriously wanted more out of that short but amazing soundtrack. But the best thing about the movie was the cinematographer. There were masterful scenes that rank among the best I've seen of the 70's. So I'm glad to get another Melville classic out of the way, but once again, the slow pacing, while sometimes masterfully handled, kept it from coming even close to Army of Shadows for me. I'd literally say this is an 81, where the remake of Ocean's 11 was an 82.




Thief 02-10-24 11:47 PM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
Ok, just finished La Haine, which means I only have three more to go. I will add my write-ups soon.

PHOENIX74 02-11-24 12:23 AM

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Sin City - 2005

Directed by Robert Rodriguez & Frank Miller

Written by Robert Rodriguez & Frank Miller
Based on the comic book series "Sin City" by Frank Miller

Starring Jessica Alba, Benicio del Toro, Brittany Murphy, Clive Owen, Mickey Rourke
Bruce Willis & Elijah Wood

I've never read the Frank Miller graphic novels and comic books that make up Sin City - and thus I'm not sure how much of a distinction there is between those who watched the film after reading them, before reading them, or having never read them. I've always assumed, from what I've heard, that the film is faithful to the source content - and considering how hands-on Frank Miller himself was on this project, I feel like it's unnecessary to go and compare the two. Taken by itself, I've found the movie entertaining enough to have seen it a few times now. The film's visual style is what sets it apart - a mix of illustration and live action, with an emphasis on all-black backgrounds, and as much darkness and black as can possibly be squeezed into the frame. The black & white nature of the photography adds to the overall sense of darkness in the picture - but occasionally colour elements are introduced, such as through a character's eyes, skin tone or important/selected object(s) like a red dress. All of this gives Sin City it's unique and recognizable look. Turns out a whole new kind of comic book neo-noir can be created from the concept as a whole.

The series of stories, very loosely interconnected, are comic book noir with fanciful elements allowing for fantastic and surreal storylines. Characters can be shot over and over again, be experimented upon, survive accidents and be delimbed. Nobody's immortal, but obviously the violence is more stylized, and the action is larger than life. All kinds of gruesome goings-on occur, and although not for everyone, I find it easier to accept in this format. For example, if Kevin (Elijah Wood) - (as horrible a being as he was) - were to be eaten alive by his own wolf and we were to witness scenes of it happening in a real-world context, that would be a hard scene to sit through. In this it's a disturbing thought, but the divide between me and this comic book world makes it easier to swallow. The world of Sin City has entire areas populated by hookers who deal out their own brand of justice - without police interference. From the looks of it, half the population of Sin City are prostitutes.

One story has Detective John Hartigan (Bruce Willis) saving 11-year-old Nancy (Makenzie Vega) from perverted sicko Ethan Roark Jr. (Nick Stahl) - someone protected by his senator father Ethan Roark (Powers Boothe) and Hartigan's own partner, Detective Bob (Michael Madsen) tries to save him (a course of action that would see Nancy raped and killed.) Another story sees man mountain Marv (Mickey Rourke) on the warpath after a woman he's fallen for, Goldie (Jaime King) is killed during a frame-up. He finds out that Cardinal Patrick Henry Roark (Rutger Hauer) is at the top of that particular "food chain", along with the monstrous cannibal, Kevin (Elijah Wood) - who eats hookers and puts their heads on his wall as trophies. Elsewhere, Private Investigator Dwight McCarthy (Clive Owen) gets involved with cop "Iron Jack" Rafferty (Benicio del Toro), him being the ex-boyfriend of his current girlfriend who likes to beat girls up. Rafferty gets killed in the prostitute-run Old Town, causing an all-out gang war. All stories are bookended in short scenes involving hit-man The Salesman (Josh Hartnett) - it's all hard-hitting stuff.

If I were to try and describe the feel of all this, I'd say it's a mixture of The Big Sleep, Pulp Fiction and a Bugs Bunny Cartoon - and I'm not being facetious there, but trying to give some kind of impression as to the alternate reality we enter when we look at the Sin City universe. It's a stylized freeform noir world where just about anything can happen. The stories we watch are usually narrated by the main characters in them, and the dialogue conforms to that classic Raymond Chandler style of quip-filled asides, clever observations and ruminations. The ensemble of talent is quite mighty, and as such there are no issues performance-wise. The soundtrack leans heavily on jazz and brass-infused older style classic noir sounds are mixed with newer, synthesized kind of beats. There's quite a lot of range which covers different themes and characters - and the music is of a kind you could quite enjoyably listen to without even watching the film.

I find Sin City to be an interesting, direct descendant of classic film noir - with private detectives, cops, femme fatales and conspiracies all mixed together in the back alleys, rainy streets and dark nights these tales usually play out in. I've always really liked it - without being a super fan (I never got around to seeing the sequel or reading the graphic novels.) Something this over the top was always going to appeal to me to some degree, and there's absolutely no debating the visual flair the film has. It's absolutely gorgeous, and it's mix of animation and live-action has a look that was completely original in it's day. Above and beyond anything else, it was the look of the film that made it the success it is - not to take anything away from the gritty, seedy and squalid noir storylines. Apart from the visual flair, the other key factor is that dialogue we hear in the various narrations - noir poetry in the classic sense, which I enjoy hearing very much. I know Sin City has it's super fans - but I'm just a guy who enjoys it very much. I didn't at all mind having the excuse to watch it once again.


Wyldesyde19 02-11-24 03:56 PM

Night Crawler

Louis Bloom is the definition of an altruistic sociopath. He neither cares nor worried about human lives. He says it best, himself, near the end “What if my issue isn’t that I don’t understand, but that I don’t like people?”

He’s willing to do anything to capture a scene of tragedy and get paid for it. He cares nothing for ethics or the morality of what he is doing, emboldened and enabled by a news director he sells his footage to, played by Renee Russo.
She doesn’t fully understand who she’s dealing with and ignores the warning signs u til it’s too late. When he essentially blackmails her for sex, she realizes the depths of his depravity. By then, it’s too late for her.

Jake Gyllenhal portrays Bloom. Fast talking, self educated, charming, with a sinister edge. He’s willing to manipulate crimes scenes and place others in danger for the right shot and a higher pay.

Fascinating character study, and easily should make my list.

Torgo 02-12-24 12:02 PM

Red Rock West -


This is a pretty good neo-noir for how it answers the question, "what do David Lynch actors do when they're not in David Lynch movies?" But seriously, the cast of mostly Lynch veterans elevates the material as much as they can. Cage always makes his hopeless drifter's desperation apparent, and while Con Air may make you assume otherwise, he can pull off a decent southern accent. There's also Lara Flynn Boyle's love-to-hate femme fatale, who is so good at using her eyes, as usual. Hopper, though, is the MVP, for his performance which I would describe as "Frank Booth Lite." Twists and surprises are hallmarks of this genre, and each of them in this one not only gave me a jolt, but also did not seem out of left field. Also, from the superbly selected locations to the twangy score, it definitely earns its Western noir label.

While I like the movie, I wish I could agree with those who say it's an unheralded masterpiece, hidden gem, etc. For one, as strong as the cast may be, nobody can make up for the average character being pretty shallow. Most if not all of them could be described with one sentence. Again, the movie tells a good story with good surprises, but each of them only has a surface-level impact as a result. Also, maybe except for some of Lyle's outbursts like him complaining that Michael thinks he's better than everyone else, there's a disappointing lack of memorable, unique and quotable dialogue. I'm still happy I rewatched it and appreciate its food for thought about the consequences of making people feel like they're discarded, veterans or otherwise. I also believe it fits the neo-noir mold through and through. Unfortunately, it does not do much more than that.

KeyserCorleone 02-12-24 01:24 PM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
Shallow Grave

Well, Boyle certainly did a good job pacing the story from a dorky comedy about flatmates to an effective thriller. I don't know if it delivered anything new to the "random people find lots of money and don't trust each other" table, but the thrills were still very tense. It was the actors who really got me, though. With what little their characters are given, the deliver naturally. I honestly don't know why we don't see more of the other two besides McGregor in more movies. They really deserve it. I suppose the big flaw is how simple the movie really is. Minimalism is used to keep the general theme alive. Sometimes things just got absolutely horrific, and it really made me think about the people around me and how they would act. One can argue that the mystique of not knowing everything about the money's background helps the mood, but that doesn't change the fact that this proves that less actual effort was put into the story itself. There was plenty of room for a unique factor that also brought out the themes, and if this factor was figured out the movie would likely be perfect. So overall, this was a good one, but I wouldn't ever call it one of the great Boyle films. In fact, Sunshine was better.


PHOENIX74 02-13-24 03:39 AM

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Body Heat - 1981

Directed by Lawrence Kasdan

Written by Lawrence Kasdan

Starring William Hurt, Kathleen Turner, Richard Crenna, Ted Danson, J. A. Preston & Mickey Rourke

I don't want to pretend I know all about film noir after getting into it as recently as yesterday (it feels), but in Body Heat there's no pretensions to being anything but a return to the classic kind of noir that Double Indemnity and Out of the Past brought to cinema screens in the 1940s - that of the capable and well-qualified man in way over his head, and the deadly, dangerous femme fatale for whom he'll do anything at all - especially murder. In this Lawrence Kasdan update, Kathleen Turner and William Hurt get into it like a couple of beasts - having it off on a whole other level, until it seems the screen itself is going to melt, and sparks fly from whichever electronic device we're watching on. It leaves you feeling like you've seen more than you actually have - the love scenes carefully framed and filmed so that we see a maximum of bare, sweaty skin at every moment. You have to feel sorry for Richard Crenna - tagged to portray the exact opposite of achingly hot sexual attraction (those boxer shorts do it.)

Hurt plays slacker lawyer Ned Racine, running across the sultry yet bright beauty Matty Walker (Kathleen Turner) by the beach, and over the course of two run-ins he's managed an invite back to her place to "see the windchimes" - which I'm sure is exactly what's on Ned's mind. Rushed out when it seems like the dam wall is about to break, Ned smashes a window in and leaps into Matty's arms. From then on they're at it - and it's so good that it would be a cinch for Matty to just leave her husband - but that would mean leaving a great deal of riches behind, having signed a prenup. After much back and forth murder is decided upon, and Ned is devising the perfect crime and planning to end Edmund Walker's (Richard Crenna) life, with the help of former client Teddy Lewis (Mickey Rourke). When suspicions arise, Ned's friends Peter Lowenstein (Ted Danson) and Oscar Grace (J. A. Preston) start putting all of the pieces together - but there's one final piece that Ned himself hasn't figured on until it's too late.

Nobody should underestimate how much John Barry's score sends us reeling back in time and how much it puts us in the mood for sultry, steamy sex mixed with skullduggery. Barry's melodic, sexy, sax-filled meander manages to both sound like a throwback to the 1940s and an absolutely modern take on noir at the same time. I often find myself thinking how funny it is that I can pick out his music just by hearing it - I'm not usually adept at doing such, and I think this comes from being so into the scores of the James Bond movies when I was a kid. For some reason, being a huge fan, it was an early appreciation for music in movies - and those films had such fantastic accompaniment. Barry was the only composer who managed to be on the same page as Kasdan when discussing the film, and you can hear it clearly - that Barry 'got it' and managed to walk the line of bringing noir back into a modern context, but also staying true to what these films are. Sex and intrigue - much like Bond films.

Also in tune with the project are the performers. Kathleen Turner was in her first feature, and immediately became one of the great sex symbols of the 1980s - quite a breakout performance, and it really took some work. She holds enough back to always seem just a little sinister and calculating - reminding me of Barbara Stanwyck in Double Indemnity - but she's also husky-voiced, tremulous and suggestive. William Hurt was in another neo-noir film the same year this came out, Eyewitness - in 1981 - and had been put forward as a sex symbol in 1980 film Altered States as the masculine Dr. Eddie Jessup, about to become primal. The third best performer I think is the misty water everyone was being soaked in portraying the gallons and gallons of sweat every body in the film is leaking. I kept expecting people's bodies to just slide off each other, and slip down the hallway such is the amount of lubrication coming from sweat glands. During even sweatier scenes, the spray bottle seems to have been exchanged for full buckets. Mickey Rourke, meanwhile, is a big surprise and makes a huge impression with just a couple of brief scenes.

We wouldn't expect anything less visually than dark, shadowy scenes - although they don't completely dominate every moment, they come through in a classical sense when Ned draws the blinds in his office while becoming entangled with a difficult Matty. Also of note is the scene near the end when Matty turns around and departs into the darkness, which swallows her up whole. Cinematographer Richard H. Kline had been nominated twice for an Oscar by the time Body Heat came around (for Camelot and the 1976 version of King Kong) but never ended up having the career you'd expect after his bright beginnings, getting saddled with the likes of Howard the Duck and The Man with One Red Shoe. There are plenty of interesting shots and visual effects, and overall there's enough of that classic sense of film noir that we feel like we've been transported back in time, despite the modern setting. Much of the film is set at night, and the murder, plus the disposal of the body, are night scenes.

Add all of this up, and you see that there's a great deal here to suggest Body Heat is a great film - it's alluring, and now that it's over 40 years old it's become classic noir of it's own kind in a sense. It has itself inspired films (such as the Coen Bros Blood Simple) that pay tribute to it in turn, much as it's doing. It's sweaty, sexy, sultry and wonderfully dark and murderous. It has characters that are a lot of fun to watch (just compare Ned to the dorky Lowenstein or prim and proper Oscar) - Olympic champions in bed, and having so much success in that horizontal position that someone has to die because of it. Or at least - that's what Ned thinks is going on. The score and cinematography are great, and Lawrence Kasdan had already forged a name for himself - writing the screenplays to two of the greatest films of all time in the years leading up to this. He was hot, just as everything in this film is hot - and from that sensual, dangerous place a vibe that can't be faked still emanates from the screen. From those bodies. I can feel it.


Thief 02-13-24 10:06 AM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
Nice! Lots of movement.

Thief 02-13-24 10:57 AM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
SHALLOW GRAVE
(1994, Boyle)

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"We don't know what it cost us yet."

Shallow Grave follows a trio of flatmates in Edinburgh that find themselves in over their heads when their new mysterious flatmate ends up dead, leaving behind a suitcase full of money. The friends then start sinking deeper into deceit and betrayal as they try to figure out the cost of their actions, while both police and criminals start closing in on them. Is the suitcase full of money enough?

Danny Boyle's debut features Ewan McGregor, Christopher Eccleston, and Kerry Fox as the three friends. Their performances are all good, with maybe McGregor being the most fun to watch. His role as the callous and cynical Alex is perhaps the more colorful also, but he does a pretty good job. Eccleston, on the other hand, has the biggest arc as David, who goes from shy and introverted to paranoid and unhinged.

Although everything sounds dead serious, the film is a really nice mixture of dark humor with some thrills, anchored by the cast's interactions and performances. The way they balance both the horrors and the stupidity of their actions is great, while Boyle throws a couple of nice twists to the story. All through, you're never sure who's going to hold and who's going to break; all designed to keep you guessing what is the actual cost of all of this on their lives.

One trait of neo-noir that I read a while ago was that, whereas in film noir there's a mystery, in neo-noir, the main character *IS* the mystery, which I think applies to all three leads here. There is no mystery; we know what happened and how. The mystery is in how these characters will react and where things will fall for each of them in the end. Turns out that nobody knows the cost... yet.

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Thief 02-13-24 11:01 AM

Re: Neo-Noir Hall of Fame
 
There's only two weeks and some change left for this, so try not to fall behind, people. Also, I see @Siddon is active in the other Noir HoF, which leads me to think that he'll jump into this one after he's done with that one. However, my advice is to keep Le Cercle Rouge in the back-end of your watches in case he doesn't finish in time.

Siddon 02-13-24 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Thief (Post 2438794)
There's only two weeks and some change left for this, so try not to fall behind, people. Also, I see @Siddon is active in the other Noir HoF, which leads me to think that he'll jump into this one after he's done with that one. However, my advice is to keep Le Cercle Rouge in the back-end of your watches in case he doesn't finish in time.

You guys can watch the movie I'll finish this hall in time..relax I've never not finished a hall and it won't start now. A number of these films are hard to find. I was going to finish noir and move onto Neonoir but I understand the anxiety so lets see how many films I can watch in the next 24 hours.

Thief 02-13-24 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Siddon (Post 2438796)
You guys can watch the movie I'll finish this hall in time..relax I've never not finished a hall and it won't start now. A number of these films are hard to find. I was going to finish noir and move onto Neonoir but I understand the anxiety so lets see how many films I can watch in the next 24 hours.
No rush, my friend. I know you can make it. As a matter of fact, I have more trust in you finishing than I have in myself :laugh: But when you didn't reply to my DM, I got scared a bit. It was only after that I saw you were active on that other thread, so it's merely a "just-in-case" advice to the others.

Siddon 02-13-24 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Thief (Post 2438805)
No rush, my friend. I know you can make it. As a matter of fact, I have more trust in you finishing than I have in myself :laugh: But when you didn't reply to my DM, I got scared a bit. It was only after that I saw you were active on that other thread, so it's merely a "just-in-case" advice to the others.

I thought I did reply to your DM...but I went through my phone so lesson learned.


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