The MoFo Top 100 Musicals Countdown [Archive] - Page 5

Thief

10-27-24, 10:11 PM

Inside Llewyn Davis is a tragic yet beautiful look at how talent and fame don't necessarily go in hand, and how random the latter can be. All of this encapsulated through the soul of the titular character, wonderfully portrayed by Oscar Isaac; a man plagued by insecurities, bitterness, anger, frustration, and a boatload of talent. Top Coen, but then again, so are ten other Coen films. I had it at #12 (Here's my review (https://www.movieforums.com/reviews/2306144-inside_llewyn_davis.html))

Haven't seen South Pacific.

SEEN: 15/48
MY BALLOT: 4/25

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12. Inside Llewyn Davis (#53)
13. Moana (#68)
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17. Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (#66)
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21. The Band Wagon (#80)
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25. Hallelujah (One-pointer)

Thief

10-27-24, 10:12 PM

The only thing I liked about Inside Llewyn Davis was the cat. I haven’t seen South Pacific.

Which one?

Holden Pike

10-27-24, 10:16 PM

101861

Inside Llewyn Davis was #22 on the MoFo Top 100 of the 2010s.

Miss Vicky

10-27-24, 10:22 PM

Which one?

Both. I forgot there were two.

I'm a sucker for orange cats.

iluv2viddyfilms

10-27-24, 10:28 PM

101862

I had to throw My Fair Lady on for a spin as a chaser to get the bad taste of South Pacific out of my brain.

Thief

10-27-24, 10:39 PM

Lots of great musical moments on Llewyn Davis, but I'm gonna put up this one. Love Adam Driver in this :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSwO-k-RqNA

"Who wrote this?"...... "I did" :laugh:

PHOENIX74

10-27-24, 11:16 PM

54. South Pacific (1958) - I bought this on DVD last Thursday, but it'll probably take me a year to watch it - so South Pacific, which has always been on the cards, is somewhere in my future but as yet unseen. Pretty famous musical - I've always been curious.

53. Inside Llewyn Davis (2013) - If you check out my profile you'll see that Inside Llewyn Davis is one of my all-time favourite films, and I love it with an almost religious intensity that never wavers. However - if you check out my ballot (which you can't, yet) then you'll see that the number of movies on it where none of the numbers are anything but diegetic in nature number : ZERO. So this movie never came up in my calculations. That includes songs that play in the background while characters aren't singing them (simply on the soundtrack). All of the musicals I picked feature some in-movie numbers where the singing and dancing isn't being done in a way (and/or place) that you'd naturally expect singing and dancing to be done. Some of my movies do have a few numbers that are being performed in a normal way (concerts, performances etc.) but they all feature at least a few moments of narrative and music meshed together. So, for the same reason as This is Spinal Tap, this wasn't on my ballot. If it had of been, it would have been near the top (probably number 2), and Spinal Tap would have been number 5. I have no problem with them being here (of course I don't, I love these movies), but I didn't consider them musicals first and foremost. I didn't consider films where you can say "Yeeah, that can be considered a musical", I considered films where you can say, "That's a musical." It's just the definition I went with.

Seen : 32/48

PHOENIX74

10-27-24, 11:48 PM

To those who are thinking about watching 1981 film Pennies From Heaven - can I implore you to watch the 1978 series before you do? It was a watershed moment in my life and opened my eyes to what the medium was capable of. I was never the same after watching it. People throw the word "masterpiece" around, but Pennies From Heaven is a legitimate masterpiece that has a razer-edged wit, intelligence, artistry, beauty, ugliness, totality and pure human spirit that beckons from the darkest of places while also cradling our most precious of ideals and ideas. Please - it's something from another place altogether. A must see - at least before you watch the film. I saw it before I saw the film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k089jzXgmpw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyM1ZRZOncc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbw6TP7JxuQ

I was around 16 or 17 years old when I first saw it, and it fundamentally changed me. I don't think I'd be who I am if I hadn't of idly turned the channel on my television one night and caught it, holding my rapt attention from that moment on.

gbgoodies

10-28-24, 01:28 AM

Top Hat is one of my favorite movies with Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers, but I just didn't have room for it on my list.

I'm a big fan of Hugh Jackman, and I was thrilled when I heard that he was going to be starring in a musical about P.T. Barnum. I thought it was going to be a movie version of the Broadway show Barnum, but while they're both about P.T. Barnum, they have completely different songs. While I was disappointed to find out that The Greatest Showman wasn't a movie version of the Broadway show Barnum, I still love this movie. It quickly became one of my favorite musicals, and it landed at #12 on my list.

I watched Pennies From Heaven twice for this countdown because the first time I watched it, I was caught off guard by the lip-synching, and I thought that might have been the reason that I didn't like it.

After the second watch, it still didn't work for me. I liked the way it worked the old musicals and the old songs into the movie. I just wish they hadn't shown the characters on screen singing using the original singers' voices. It made it uncomfortable to watch some scenes. Especially at the very beginning when Steve Martin was singing with a woman's voice coming out of his mouth.

I'm generally not a fan of rockumentaries, and This Is Spinal Tap is no exception. I just don't get the humor in this movie, and I didn't care for the music.

I like South Pacific, and it has some great songs, but the annoying color palettes were enough to keep it off my list. But it's a great musical, and I'm glad to see that it made the countdown.

I watched Inside Llewyn Davis for the 2010s Countdown, and I liked the music more than the movie itself. The movie was interesting, but it's another Coen's movie that I've seen where I still don't "get" their humor.

My list so far:
9. 1776 (1972)
12. The Greatest Showman (2017)
17. Anastasia (1997)
25. Frozen (2013)

Wooley

10-28-24, 02:31 AM

Wooley

10-28-24, 02:35 AM

Yes! another from my ballot and a film I truly love. South Pacific was my #3 choice on my ballot...I wrote this:

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.N3EStF0QCWVNeFBl9bciswAAAA%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=d28ccc6a46bc77a5efd9211bc6ef9c5751794fd57f606eb8c923e05f3b485cc1&ipo=images
South Pacific (1958)

I flat out love this movie. I love the songs, I love the story and Mitzi Gaynor is a peach. This is the only Rodgers and Hammerstein play that was made into a movie with all of the songs intact. The usual fare was to cut a number of the Broadway songs for runtime so that the movie wasn't too long. At 2 hours 37 minutes the time flew by as I watched this and I can't always say that when I watch a long musical. The anti-racist anti-hate song, "You've Got to Be Carefully Taught", was a bold move and necessary to show that even in the tropical paradise on a south pacific island good people can still be raised to have bigoted views. The film has it's heart in the right place. I read that when this first came out some areas most likely in the south boycotted the film.

I'm a huge fan of Mitzi Gaynor who was known for her dancing and singing. Here she plays a conflicted woman who's in love with a Frenchman who has two children that are Polynesian. That bothers her as she was raised in the south to 'not mix'. Mitzi really is able to convey these complex emotions by facial expressions alone. Truly a fine dramatic performance from her.

A young France Nuyen is as cute as a button especially during the song 'Happy Talk'. Her mother played by Juanita Hall is colorfully entertaining as was Ray Walston. Besides the conflicted emotions of bigotry there's a serious note as John Kerr a young lieutenant, is sent on a mission along with Rossano Brazzi (the Frenchman) to spy on the Japanese army on a nearby island. Their mission during WWII is very dangerous and they are not expected to return.

Yes the color filters the director used are annoying at times but even he didn't like the effect once he seen it, but by then it was too late to re-shot those scenes as the film was in post production. I've learned to look past the color filters and see the deeper beauty of South Pacific.
rating_5

Yeah, we are of one mind on this one.
I'll have to re-watch with a mind to the color-filters, I've always thought that weird vibe they gave off was an intended and important part of the movie.

iluv2viddyfilms

10-28-24, 05:26 AM

I'm glad Rodgers and Hammerstein didn't get their writing tips from Dixon Steele. I also watched that My Fair Lady thing and not once did Higgins say to Eliza, "I love you, I love you, I love you!" The best she ever got was how he grew accustomed to her face. Now, how are we as an audience supposed to know one character loves another unless they say it a bunch of times throughout. Luckily Rodgers and Hammerstein remind us at least half a dozen times who loves who in their musical.

https://youtu.be/vjll5_7KUSQ?si=HZlXWzVLmgU88L5Y

rauldc14

10-28-24, 12:10 PM

Where is Sting Ray Sam?

Citizen Rules

10-28-24, 12:18 PM

So South Pacific is the one I mentioned many pages ago that I somehow just forgot even though it would have 100% been on list and it may very well have been Top-10.
It was one of my mother's favorite movies but it is not sentimentality that makes it so lofty for me (I actually used to get really irritated when she would put this on), it's just a helluva selection of songs and it's a good story and cute and sad and a whole lot of other stuff. I've seen this performed live a few times and I've seen the movie several times. The songs are so damn hooky and the performances, especially Mitzi Gaynor, are perfect. Gaynor just charms your socks off.
Anyway, this would have been in my top-10 I'm sure so, in your minds, add those points and re-rank it thusly.

Yeah, we are of one mind on this one.
I'll have to re-watch with a mind to the color-filters, I've always thought that weird vibe they gave off was an intended and important part of the movie.Thank goodness there's one other person besides me who loves South Pacific. I wonder who the other four people were who voted for it?

Miss Vicky

10-28-24, 12:19 PM

Where is Sting Ray Sam?

I've given up on it showing at this point. :(

I know at least three other people voted for it and given the low threshold for making the list (and how many points it got just from me) I thought for sure it would have made it but I guess I was wrong.

Citizen Rules

10-28-24, 12:19 PM

Where is Sting Ray Sam?Exactly. I thought it was coming yesterday so today seems likely. I hope.

kgaard

10-28-24, 12:30 PM

I've seen three of the last four--all bar South Pacific (the one clear musical of the bunch!).

Pennies From Heaven, This Is Spinal Tap!, and Inside Lllewyn Davis are all films I like to varying degrees, although even had I considered each of them as definite musicals, probably none would have made my list anyway (Inside Llewyn Davis probably would have been closest). I haven't seen the original TV version of Pennies, but my understanding from a friend and PHOENIX74 here is that it is indeed the superior version, so someday I hope to get to it. Anyway, not sorry to see any of these turn up, even if they aren't the purest forms of musical (I guess Pennies is if you'll allow for the lip-synching, even if it seems a bit strange not to utilize Bernadette Peters).

John W Constantine

10-28-24, 03:32 PM

Any reveals today?

Thursday Next

10-28-24, 04:39 PM

6lists79pointsThe Muppet Christmas Carol (https://www.movieforums.com/movies/10437-the-muppet-christmas-carol.html)Director
Brian Henson, 1992

Starring
Michael Caine, Dave Goelz, Steve Whitmire, Jerry Nelson

Thursday Next

10-28-24, 04:40 PM

6lists82pointsThe Lure (https://www.movieforums.com/movies/375742-the-lure.html)Director
Agnieszka Smoczy?ska, 2015

Starring
Kinga Preis, Michalina Olsza?ska, Marta Mazurek, Jakub Giersza?

Miss Vicky

10-28-24, 04:44 PM

I’ve seen both but voted for neither.

Seen 22/50

Thursday Next

10-28-24, 04:46 PM

Allaby

10-28-24, 04:47 PM

I love The Muppet Christmas Carol, but didn't have room for it on my ballot. It's a delightful film with wonderful performances and great songs. The Lure is fantastic and one of my favourite films. It was #5 on my ballot.

Seen: 49/50

Citizen Rules

10-28-24, 04:57 PM

I've seen The Muppet Christmas Carol it was fun but not enough to make my ballot.

MovieMeditation

10-28-24, 05:00 PM

rauldc14

10-28-24, 05:06 PM

Had my wife sent a list.....Muppet Christmas Carol would have been on it. I enjoy it too but not on my list.

Haven't seen The Lure.

rauldc14

10-28-24, 05:08 PM

27/50 at the halfway mark.

Torgo

10-28-24, 05:12 PM

It chills me to the bone that I left Muppet Christmas Carol off my ballot, but I'm so glad it made the countdown. It's a close second to my favorite Christmas Carol adaptation, the Patrick Stewart one from 1999.

Thursday Next

10-28-24, 05:13 PM

New MoFo list suggestion: Top 100 Christmas movies

John W Constantine

10-28-24, 05:25 PM

Halfway through and I've only contributed 2 entries. Just not my genre, opinion can't be trusted.

Thief

10-28-24, 05:47 PM

I’ve seen some muppet stuff when I was younger but don’t remember much about what I saw in detail. So yeah, I’ve never truly seen The Muppet Christmas Carol as far as I know… but you know what? This Christmas I think I’ll change that! It’ll be a holiday promise!

I have not seen The Lure but I’m a little bit interested actually.

I'm 100% with you on both accounts, so yeah.

SEEN: 15/50
MY BALLOT: 5/25

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12. Inside Llewyn Davis (#53)
13. Moana (#68)
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17. Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (#66)
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21. The Band Wagon (#80)
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25. Hallelujah (One-pointer)

Thief

10-28-24, 05:52 PM

MovieFan1988

10-28-24, 06:03 PM

New MoFo list suggestion: Top 100 Christmas movies

Only if Die Hard counts for the list :D:D:D then I'm in

Thursday Next

10-28-24, 06:04 PM

After 41 entries with pretty much ties all the way, we've had a batch of 7 with no ties at all with point gaps getting a tad bigger. That's the usual norm, though, as we head into the second half of the countdown.

Inside Lewyn Davis and Muppet Christmas Carol were tied on 79 points. The Lure is tied with one of tomorrow's entries.

iluv2viddyfilms

10-28-24, 06:21 PM

New MoFo list suggestion: Top 100 Christmas movies

Die Hard had better be number one.

iluv2viddyfilms

10-28-24, 06:22 PM

Only if Die Hard counts for the list :D:D:D then I'm in

It is. Anyone who says otherwise will be banned by Yoda, so sayeth iluv2viddyfilms.

Thief

10-28-24, 06:22 PM

Inside Lewyn Davis and Muppet Christmas Carol were tied on 79 points. The Lure is tied with one of tomorrow's entries.

You're right. For some reason, forgot to enter yesterday's entries on my spreadsheet. Weekend blues.

John W Constantine

10-28-24, 06:24 PM

Guys. This countdown so far. Maybe a time for an intervention.

Thief

10-28-24, 06:26 PM

After 41 entries with pretty much ties all the way, we've had a batch of 7 with no ties at all with point gaps getting a tad bigger. That's the usual norm, though, as we head into the second half of the countdown.

EDIT: After 41 entries with pretty much ties all the way, we've had a batch of 6 with no ties at all (from #59 to #54) with point gaps getting a tad bigger. That's the usual norm, though, as we head into the second half of the countdown.

Miss Vicky

10-28-24, 06:36 PM

Prediction for my ballot:

1. Will Make It
2. Charlotte's Web (#79)
3. Won't Make It
4. Will Make It
5. Won't Make It
6. Walk the Line (#95)
7. Won't Make It
8. Will Make It
9. Won't Make It
10. Won't Make It
11.Will Make It
12. Corpse Bride (#61)
13. Will Make It
14. Will Make It
15.The Jungle Book (#63)
16. Won't Make It
17. Won't Make It
18. Won't Make It
19. Won't Make It
20. Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (#66)
21. Will Make It
22. Won't Make It
23. Will Make It
24. Won't Make It
25. Joe's Apartment (One Pointer)

Though I could be really wrong on that. I feel like this has been one of the most difficult countdowns to predict that we've ever had.

Allaby

10-28-24, 06:43 PM

Predictions for my ballot:

1. a sure thing
2. a sure thing
3. Frozen (2013)
4. a sure thing
5. The Lure (2015)
6. Into the Woods (2014)
7. a sure thing
8. probably won't make it
9. a sure thing
10. will likely make it
11. Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (2007)
12. a sure thing
13. a sure thing
14. a sure thing
15. a sure thing
16. will likely make it
17. Annie (1982)
18. probably won't make it
19. probably won't make it
20. probably won't make it
21. probably won't make it
22. probably won't make it
23. a sure thing
24. a sure thing
25. A Week Away (2021)

John W Constantine

10-28-24, 06:54 PM

Predictions for my ballot:

1. who cares
2. who cares
3. who cares
4. who cares
5. who cares
6. who cares
7. who cares
8. who cares
9. who cares
10. who cares
11. who cares
12. w ho cares
13. who cares
14.who cares
15. who cares
16. who cares
17. who cares
18. who cares
19. who cares
20. who cares
21.who cares
22. who cares
23. who cares
24. who cares
25. who cares

iluv2viddyfilms

10-28-24, 07:13 PM

Guys. This countdown so far. Maybe a time for an intervention.

It's bound to happen because of repeat votes for films. Obviously personal tastes are subjective, but can anyone truly objectively say that the Muppets Christmas Movie is a better musical than say Band Wagon, Easter Parade, or The Smiling Lieutenant? Probably not, but there's an element of popularity contest to these lists AND another huge thing is when people make these lists they are going to put the canonical films such as Singin' in the Rain and The Wizard of Oz at the top... both of which will certainly make the top 10, however when people make their lists they probably start to "run out" of musicals they've seen around their 15-20 mark in their entries and will default to things like The Muppets Christmas movies or Garfield Sings Holiday Songs or Power Rangers the Musical, just because unless a person is specifically a musical buff or afficionado or is more than a casual film nerd, many people probably struggle to name 25 musicals let alone rank them. I had probably about 50 on my list that were serious contenders and managed to widdle it down to 25, but those reasons might be why we get a countdown that will have a film like SpongeBob Sings the Blues interspersed between Top Hat and Rocky Horror Picture Show. I'm OK with it.

John W Constantine

10-28-24, 07:17 PM

It's bound to happen because of repeat votes for films. Obviously personal tastes are subjective, but can anyone truly objectively say that the Muppets Christmas Movie is a better musical than say Band Wagon, Easter Parade, or The Smiling Lieutenant? Probably not, but there's an element of popularity contest to these lists AND another huge thing is when people make these lists they are going to put the canonical films such as Singin' in the Rain and The Wizard of Oz at the top... both of which will certainly make the top 10, however when people make their lists they probably start to "run out" of musicals they've seen around their 15-20 mark in their entries and will default to things like The Muppets Christmas movies or Garfield Sings Holiday Songs or Power Rangers the Musical, just because unless a person is specifically a musical buff or afficionado or is more than a casual film nerd, many people probably struggle to name 25 musicals let alone rank them. I had probably about 50 on my list that were serious contenders and managed to widdle it down to 25, but those reasons might be why we get a countdown that will have a film like SpongeBob Sings the Blues interspersed between Top Hat and Rocky Horror Picture Show. I'm OK with it.

I just want to see you argue with Holden again.

dadgumblah

10-28-24, 07:23 PM

The Muppet Christmas Carol is a great movie but I put it aside for, ahem, another movie that...um, never mind. ;)

I have never heard of The Lure till today but wow, it looks pretty great!

Haven't see Inside Llewyn Davis but as it's a Coen Brothers film, I need to.

So far:
#1. On the Town #93 (list proper)
#6. Easter Parade #78 (list proper)
#10. Gigi #85 (list proper)
#12. Calamity Jane #84 (list proper)
#14. Seven Brides for Seven Brothers #71 (list proper)
#25. Neptune's Daughter (one-pointer).

iluv2viddyfilms

10-28-24, 07:25 PM

I just want to see you argue with Holden again.

I mean anything is possible, but our film tastes overlap a lot and I've known him online for about 22 years now. So even though our film tastes often run concurrent, our politics are polar opposite so unless we're looking at film through that lens, which due to the no politics rules, is a thin proposition... you probably won't see a lot, unless you want me to troll him when one of his top 10 films of all time La La Land inevitably makes this list, which I'm not above doing, as it's a deeply flawed film... oh no! Now I've done it!

John W Constantine

10-28-24, 07:28 PM

one of his top 10 films of all time La La Land as it's a deeply flawed film
Yes, yes it is.

cricket

10-28-24, 07:33 PM

I watched The Lure for some reason in 2022 and liked it enough to put it on my ballot. Someone smart here must've recommended it to me.

Going by the release date I haven't seen the Muppet movie. If it came out in the 70's then probably yes.

5. Charlotte's Web (#79)
10. The Lure (#51)
17. Calamity Jane (#84)
20. Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (#66)
21. A Star is Born 1954 (#67)
25. 42nd Street (#76)

Miss Vicky

10-28-24, 07:45 PM

Citizen Rules

10-28-24, 07:52 PM

How my ballot will go down:

1. If this doesn't make it there will be trouble
2. I doubt it, though GBG loves this so maybe?
*3. South Pacific (1958)...#54
*4. Calamity Jane (1953)...#84
5. ! It better make it.
6. If this isn't Top 10 I'm dancing in the dirt
7. This is going to show up tomorrow
*8. Seven Brides for Seven Brothers (1954)...#71
*9. White Christmas (1954)...#82
*10. Gold Diggers of 1933 (1933)...#88
11. Maybe, it is almost Noirvemenber
12. Outside chance if you like to gamble
13. Maybe if MoFos are cool cats
*14. Top Hat (1935)...................#58
15. Will be top 10
16. Ding, Ding, Ding that damn movie better make it
17. Of course it will make it
18. Also boycotted I'm guessing
19. If this doesn't make it, Gideon will be so disappointed!
*20. Pennies from Heaven (1981)...#75
*21. Funny Girl (1968)...#77
*22. A Star Is Born (1954)...#67
*23. Gentlemen Prefer Blondes (1953)...#69
24. Probably boycotted
25. Would've made it if more people had seen it

Wooley

10-28-24, 08:07 PM

I thought I had seen The Lure but I didn't remember it having any resemblance to a musical so I must have watched a different Mermaid Horror movie. There are several.

SpelingError

10-28-24, 08:51 PM

I haven't seen Muppet Christmas Carol.

I like The Lure quite a bit, but it didn't make my ballot. One sequence in it sticks out like a sore thumb as being bad, but the rest is very good.

LAMb EELYAK

10-28-24, 08:56 PM

iluv2viddyfilms

10-28-24, 09:10 PM

Number 12 was a curveball.

When the Ws and the Hs separate... well, you know it's something special.

stillmellow

10-28-24, 09:22 PM

The Muppet Christmas Carol was my #4. A Christmas classic! An excellent retelling of the story, a brilliant evocation of a Christmas-card style Victoriana (complete with muppets and singing vegetables), humour that doesn't get old and a fantastic selection of festive tunes (The Love Has Gone notwithstanding). I watch this pretty much every Christmas.

My list 4/25

Seen 46/50

It was also my #4!

My favorite retelling of the classic story, which elevated itself above all other Muppet movies with the dynamite banter between Gonzo and Rizzo, and Michael Caine playing his part as serious as death.

I don't know if any other Muppet Movies will make the list, but I'm really glad this one did.

The Lure was alright, but didn't strike me as a musical. Wouldn't have made my list in any case.

Takoma11

10-28-24, 09:31 PM

Muppet Christmas Carol was my #8. It's a really good adaptation and just an all-around charming film.

I am surprised that The Lure was not on my ballot. I really enjoyed it, and think it's a pretty audacious mixture of genres (it's a fantasy-musical-horror-drama-romance?). It would have easily knocked at least my #25 off my list, I just must not have considered it musical enough.

stillmellow

10-28-24, 09:32 PM

1. I'm honestly not sure. I hope other people consider it a musical too.
2. Most likely
3. Almost certainly
4. The Muppet Christmas Carol (1992)
5. Without question
6. A Star Is Born (1954)
7. Almost certainly
8. O Brother, Where Art Thou? (2000)
9. Yellow Submarine (1968)
10. Almost certainly
11. Most likely
12. Without question
13. Most likely
14. Most likely
15. Uncertain
16. Most likely
17. Without question
18. Most likely
19. Most likely
20. Uncertain
21. Frozen (2013)
22. Without question
23. Most likely
24. Almost certainly
25. Muppet Treasure Island (1996)

Takoma11

10-28-24, 09:42 PM

1. I'm honestly not sure. I hope other people consider it a musical too.

I want to be there with you, but Star Wars is not a musical. Sorry!

Wyldesyde19

10-28-24, 10:16 PM

Muppet Christmas Carol should had been on my ballot.
I am ashamed.

Little Ash

10-28-24, 10:37 PM

The Lure was #5 of 18 on my ballot. A good, dark fairy tale about the despair of wanting something you can't have (or something, it's been a few years. Definitely plan to watch again).

Inside Llewyn Davis - I asked very late preliminary thread if other people were considering it a diegetic musical, because it had never crossed my mind so I had never thought of it as one (requirements or not, not relevant. I just meant compared to Once, which would be the diegetic musical that one would presumably compare it to in terms of musical-ness). All I got was a single, "no." So I just left another blank space on my ballot, rather than put it on my ballot, probably in the top 5. Judging by people's responses here vs what people actually cast, I don't have a good sense still if I should have included it on my ballot.

All or the others, I'd have to look back on the first page (currently on my phone), but none of the titles are retaining in my mind, which might imply I didn't have any interest in them. I guess I could conceivably watch a Muppet movie and enjoy it.

ETA: going back to the first page, I have seen Top Hat, but apart a joke here or there that landed, it almost seemed designed to be what I didn't want in a movie. I was curious about Pennies From Heaven (which I saw 5-10 minutes of as a young teen channel surfing), but did not get to it for this countdown.

Thief

10-28-24, 11:50 PM

Stats: Pit Stop #5
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Now that we've hit the fifth pit stop (50) and we're halfway through, here are some stats:

Decade Breakdown

1920s = 0
1930s = 5
1940s = 2
1950s = 9
1960s = 4
1970s = 4
1980s = 6
1990s = 4
2000s = 5
2010s = 9
2020s = 2

Strong showing by the 1980s and the 2010s, with the latter tying up with the 1950s with 9 each. 1980s are in second place with 6.

Recurring Directors

Stanley Donen = 2
Vincente Minnelli = 2
Tim Burton = 2
Coen Brothers = 2

The Coen Brothers join the group with their second film, Inside Llewyn Davis, at #53. They had O Brother, Where Art Thou? at #70 previously.

No new animation in this batch, so we stand at 9 animated films so far.

PHOENIX74

10-29-24, 01:29 AM

Ahh, a double blank...

The Muppet Christmas Carol (1992) - I'm afraid that except for the first Muppets movie I haven't seen any of their musical adventures - I really ought to, and I intend on catching up with that 1979 debut feature because I haven't seen it since the 1980s probably. Always a blast to catch up on stuff you haven't seen for such a long time.

The Lure (2015) - I've never heard of this one, and it looks fantastic - another great discovery proving the benefit of participating in stuff like this. Straight into my watchlist.

Seen 32/50

PHOENIX74

10-29-24, 01:45 AM

1. I'm starting to have my first doubts.....still, 70% I'd say
2. 100%
3. 100%
4. 100%
5. Jesus Christ Superstar (1973)
6. 90%
7. 80%
8. Tommy (1975)
9. 100%
10. 95%
11. 100%
12. 100%
13. 100%
14. 65%
15. 70%
16. 50%
17. 100%
18. 50%
19. 5%
20. 75%
21. 100%
22. Yellow Submarine (1968)
23. Annie (1982)
24. 0%
25. Shock Treatment (1981)

There are a lot of sure things on my ballot, but also an equal amount of titles that I'm so not sure of where they land when considering a general consensus. Musical tastes vary more than straight-up movie tastes even more than comedy does.

Little Ash

10-29-24, 07:18 AM

1. I'm starting to have my first doubts.....still, 70%
Looking at Cinderella coming in at 100 with 35 points, means you think there's a 30% chance it didn't manage to get 10 points from everyone else (or a 70% chance it did).

Framing it that way because for that 30% chance to happen would imply almost no one else even thought of it, which there is a movie in my top 5 that I strongly suspect no one else voted for based on something else. Granted, I also didn't even manage a complete ballot.

kgaard

10-29-24, 09:55 AM

I liked but did not love The Lure, but it's odd enough that it's probably worth another look.

The Muppet Christmas Carol (which I somehow embarrassingly mixed up with Muppet Treasure Island earlier in this thread) was my #25. This is the first and most successful of the post-Jim Henson Muppet films, it's pretty delightful, and the right kind of story for the Muppets to slide into. And you know who else loves this movie? Yeah, Michael Caine, that's who. (https://www.gq.com/story/michael-caine-muppet-christmas-carol-interview) Do you want to disagree with Michael Caine, 'cause I don't.

Thief

10-29-24, 10:57 AM

Since we are at the halfway mark, here are some more additional countdown and critics stats...

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There have been 14 ties through the course of the countdown: 9 of them two-way ties, 3 of them 3-way ties, and 2 of them 4-way ties. This means only 15 of the 50 entries so far haven't been tied.

The biggest point gap has been 5, between #59 Jesus Christ Superstar (65) and #58 Top Hat (70) and also between #75 The King and I (52) and #74 Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story (57).

https://i.imgur.com/hyuAwlM.jpeg

The film that has been present in most ballots so far is #66 Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street, which was present in 8 ballots.

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The five (5) films with the highest RT scores are:
- #58: Top Hat (1935) - 100%
- #88: Gold Diggers of 1933 (1933) - 100%
- #67: A Star Is Born (1954) - 98%
- #72: Yellow Submarine (1968) - 97%
- #76: 42nd Street (1933) - 96%

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Interestingly, three of those are from the 1930s.

The only films with the a "Rotten" RT score so far are:
- #57: The Greatest Showman (2017) - 57%
- #59: Jesus Christ Superstar (1973) - 50%
- #60: Annie (1982) - 50%

*Again, friendly reminder: A high RT score doesn't mean that the film is perfect, or "better" than those with a lower RT score. It only means that the film had an overall positive reception from critics (this could range from "this was the best film I saw!" to "'twas good"), whereas a film with a 50% RT score means that critics were more divided about it.

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On the side of IMDb, these are the Top "5" with the highest rating:
- #97: Amadeus (1984) - 8.4
- #55: This Is Spinal Tap (1984) - 7.9
- #95: Walk the Line (2005) - 7.8
- #58: Top Hat (1933) - 7.7
- #65: Duck Soup (1933) - 7.7
- #70: O Brother, Where Art Thou? (2000) - 7.7
- #88: Gold Diggers of 1933 (1933) - 7.7
- #100: Cinderella (1965) - 7.7

While the ones with the lowest IMDb rating are:
- #56: Pennies from Heaven (1981) - 6.5
- #81: Purple Rain (1984) - 6.5
- #51: The Lure (2015) - 6.3
- #50: The Muppet Christmas Carol (1992) - 6.3
- #86: Into the Woods (2014) - 5.9

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*As opposed to the RT score, the IMDb rating is a measure of perceived "quality" from the IMDb community, which means that the overall community thinks Amadeus is the best film of the list so far.

honeykid

10-29-24, 12:04 PM

I saw Annie as a kid. I don't remember it but I know I didn't like it.

This. Although it does have two good songs.

All I want to know about JCSS is does he come down from heaven on a Yamaha? If he does, then I know the rest of the story. :D

Question for everyone who voted for Annie, when did you first see Annie? I mean as a kid? Or an adult?
I first saw her when she was a kid. In fact, I've never seen her grown up. :D

Spinal Tap is the first which I probably should've put on my list (considering how loose I was with it) but it really did feel like a step too far to me on the day. It's in my 100, so I'm very pleased to see it here.

I honestly couldn't tell you if I finished Muppet Christmas Carol or not. I think I like the muppets, then I watch bits/films and see that I don't very much. Just something I liked as a kid, I guess.

New MoFo list suggestion: Top 100 Christmas movies

Blimey! And people thought the arguments about what was/wasn't a musical/Film Noir/Horror were bad. :eek:

Only if Die Hard counts for the list :D:D:D then I'm in
And I'm out because it obviously isn't. :D

Any film revealed which I've not mentioned is because I haven't seen it and, probably, don't want to.

Citizen Rules

10-29-24, 12:20 PM

Looking at Cinderella coming in at 100 with 35 points, means you think there's a 30% chance it didn't manage to get 10 points from everyone else (or a 70% chance it did).

Framing it that way because for that 30% chance to happen would imply almost no one else even thought of it, which there is a movie in my top 5 that I strongly suspect no one else voted for based on something else. Granted, I also didn't even manage a complete ballot.Like Barbie once said, 'math is hard':D I can't wrap my tired brain around your percentages though I'm sure they are correct. But I do see that only two people voted for Cinderella (1965) and one of them (you) just said you couldn't complete your ballot. I'm guessing the other person wasn't a fan of musicals either which is a repeating factor in this countdown. Hence the non musical fans vote mostly out of childhood nostalgia and give maximum points to movies like Cinderella (1965). Not saying anything is wrong with that, just trying to wrap my brain around why the countdown is so unpredictable...I'm liking it being so different, makes it more interesting🙂

Little Ash

10-29-24, 02:09 PM

Like Barbie once said, 'math is hard':D I can't wrap my tired brain around your percentages though I'm sure they are correct. But I do see that only two people voted for Cinderella (1965) and one of them (you) just said you couldn't complete your ballot. I'm guessing the other person wasn't a fan of musicals either which is a repeating factor in this countdown. Hence the non musical fans vote mostly out of childhood nostalgia and give maximum points to movies like Cinderella (1965). Not saying anything is wrong with that, just trying to wrap my brain around why the countdown is so unpredictable...I'm liking it being so different, makes it more interesting🙂

Oh, I was replying to PHOENIX74 on their sense of their #1 making the list and my numbers were basically re-assessing their percentage purely as, "do you think your #1 managed to get enough points to top Cinderella at the bottom of the list." That's all. I think my #1 is probably in the top 10 on this countdown, since it's one of the few that plays well for people who do and don't like musicals and I'm pretty sure everyone seems to agree is a musical.

Thief

10-29-24, 03:49 PM

I'll play the predictions game with my ballot

1. 100%
2. 100%
3. 100%
4. 90%
5. 100%
6. 95%
7. 100%
8. 100%
9. 70%
10. 40%
11. 100%
12. Inside Llewyn Davis (#53)
13. Moana (#68)
14. 80%
15. 45%
16. 85%
17. Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (#66)
18. 100%
19. 100%
20. 95%
21. The Band Wagon (#80)
22. 10%
23. 35%
24. 5%
25. Hallelujah (One-pointer)

Thursday Next

10-29-24, 04:10 PM

6lists82pointsOklahoma! (https://www.movieforums.com/movies/13936-oklahoma.html)Director
Fred Zinnemann, 1955

Starring
Gordon MacRae, Gloria Grahame, Gene Nelson, Charlotte Greenwood

Thursday Next

10-29-24, 04:10 PM

10lists83pointsThe Little Mermaid (https://www.movieforums.com/movies/10144-the-little-mermaid.html)Director
Ron Clements, 1989

Starring
Jodi Benson, Samuel E. Wright, Pat Carroll, Christopher Daniel Barnes

Thursday Next

10-29-24, 04:13 PM

And we're into the top 50! I didn't even make you wait with an 'entr'acte' before resuming the show.

Oklahoma had the same points as The Lure from the same number of ballots, but Oklahoma had a 2nd place ranking putting it ahead and denying us all a weird mermaid double bill on the countdown.

Miss Vicky

10-29-24, 04:15 PM

The Little Mermaid is one of Disney’s better animated musicals, but I don’t like it enough to vote for it. I haven’t seen Oklahoma! and I have no intention of changing that.

Thursday Next

10-29-24, 04:19 PM

Obviously personal tastes are subjective, but can anyone truly objectively say that the Muppets Christmas Movie is a better musical than say Band Wagon, Easter Parade, or The Smiling Lieutenant? Probably not, but there's an element of popularity contest to these lists

Is the Muppet Christmas Carol a better movie than a movie with little to no plot beyond putting on a show, a bunch of recycled songs from other movies and a number in which grown men dress as babies...? Um, yes, yes it is.

(I did actually quite enjoy The Band Wagon but don't hold that it's automatically better just because it doesn't have muppets in it).

Anyway, the whole exercise is subjective and people vote for their personal favourites, based on their own criteria (sometimes only a loose claim to being an actual musical....). And of course it depends very much on what people have actually seen.

Holden Pike

10-29-24, 04:19 PM

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The Little Mermaid was #37 on the MoFo Top 100 Animated Films while Oklahoma! was #97 on the MoFo Top 100 of the 1950s as well as #91 on the MoFo Top 100 Westerns.

MovieMeditation

10-29-24, 04:21 PM

The Little Mermaid was #13 on my list. A classic for a reason. Very good Disney flick.

Not seen the other one.

Holden Pike

10-29-24, 04:24 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyeoyRjEiUU
For Little Mermaid fans, if you've never done so take a look at the documentary Waking Sleeping Beauty, which last I checked was available on Disney+. It chronicles the down period the animation studio was in after Walt's death and how it was revitalized by Little Mermaid and Beauty & the Beast.

iluv2viddyfilms

10-29-24, 04:44 PM

Is the Muppet Christmas Carol a better movie than a movie with little to no plot beyond putting on a show, a bunch of recycled songs from other movies and a number in which grown men dress as babies...? Um, yes, yes it is.

(I did actually quite enjoy The Band Wagon but don't hold that it's automatically better just because it doesn't have muppets in it).

Anyway, the whole exercise is subjective and people vote for their personal favourites, based on their own criteria (sometimes only a loose claim to being an actual musical....). And of course it depends very much on what people have actually seen.

I don't think you understood what I wrote... or took into consideration what I was replying to.
Maybe it's more of an issue in that your world view there isn't a such a thing as an objectively and universal "truth" when it comes to a hierarchy of comparison. OK, forget Band Wagon... a film that actually didn't make my list. Let's just go with a film that in all likelihood will make the top three... is it fair to make the claim that objectively Singin' in the Rain is a better film that the Muppets Christmas movie?

And again, if you go back and closely read what I wrote within the context of what I was responding to, you'd see I was defending the inclusion of a film like the Muppets being on these lists... moreover, no where did I write that I had an inherent de facto issue with puppets, so don't straw man. Actually, in fact, a film with Muppets also by Jim Henson barely just barely was cut from my list and I'm hoping and surely it will appear on this list.

As for today's pick The Little Mermaid is truly great, but I didn't have it on my list. Oklahoma! I tried to watch years ago, but could only stomach to get about half way through. Maybe I should try it again, as I survived South Pacific.

Wooley

10-29-24, 04:46 PM

Oklahoma! was my No.18.

Evaluating my list and the situation... I actually thought everything on my list but the one-pointer was a shoe-in but, with TWENTY from my list yet to go, I'm starting to wonder...
Then again, maybe they are all just so obvious that they are going to fill out the second half.

Thief

10-29-24, 04:58 PM

I'm a fan of The Little Mermaid. It would probably make my Top 10 Disney films. However, I already had a bunch of Disney films on my list, and as much as I like Mermaid, the songs aren't necessarily what sticks in my mind. Glad to see it come up, though.

I've never seen Oklahoma!

SEEN: 16/52
MY BALLOT: 5/25

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12. Inside Llewyn Davis (#53)
13. Moana (#68)
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17. Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (#66)
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21. The Band Wagon (#80)
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25. Hallelujah (One-pointer)

cricket

10-29-24, 05:03 PM

I've seen Oklahoma but can't remember if I liked it. Probably not.

I haven't seen The Little Mermaid.

kgaard

10-29-24, 05:07 PM

The Little Mermaid is fine, but not on my list.

I've never seen Oklahoma!, so this is what I always think of when it's mentioned:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGUNrHWZaVs

MovieFan1988

10-29-24, 05:07 PM

This. Although it does have two good songs.

All I want to know about JCSS is does he come down from heaven on a Yamaha? If he does, then I know the rest of the story. :D

I first saw her when she was a kid. In fact, I've never seen her grown up. :D

Spinal Tap is the first which I probably should've put on my list (considering how loose I was with it) but it really did feel like a step too far to me on the day. It's in my 100, so I'm very pleased to see it here.

I honestly couldn't tell you if I finished Muppet Christmas Carol or not. I think I like the muppets, then I watch bits/films and see that I don't very much. Just something I liked as a kid, I guess.

Blimey! And people thought the arguments about what was/wasn't a musical/Film Noir/Horror were bad. :eek:

And I'm out because it obviously isn't. :D

Any film revealed which I've not mentioned is because I haven't seen it and, probably, don't want to.

But...but it's a movie that happens to take place on the eve of Christmas :D:D. I guess if you made Die Hard qualify for the list then you would have to add like other movies like Gremlins, Lethal Weapon, Batman Returns and others that take place around Christmas.

rauldc14

10-29-24, 05:46 PM

Seen both. Oklahoma is actually ok for me. Little Mermaid has been so long but it has nostalgia on its side although I didn't vote for it and there's definitely at least a dozen Disney that I enjoy more.

stillmellow

10-29-24, 05:50 PM

The little mermaid is my #24. It may have tasted even higher if Ariel got more than one song.

Oklahoma is not my cup of tea.

Holden Pike

10-29-24, 05:52 PM

https://youtu.be/NcRqrKclNW0?feature=shared

iluv2viddyfilms

10-29-24, 06:15 PM

The little mermaid is my #24. It may have tasted even higher if Ariel got more than one song.

Oklahoma is not my cup of tea.

Agree about Oklahoma. The fact that so many of the other character's get songs, especially the lobster character, is one of the many great things about The Little Mermaid because each song develops the character AND pushes the story forward through narrative. The "Under the Sea" and "Kiss the Girl" numbers are among the best and most beloved of all Disney tunes and rightfully so.

I do need to read the source material for The Little Mermaid by Hans Christian Andersen, haven't gotten around to it and I wonder how many people have read it to compare to The Little Mermaid.

There's some solid themes and philosophy going on and the premise of making a "Faustian bargain" or "grass is greener" is an age old tale. From what I gather of the original story, and from what I remember of the Disney film as it's been decades since I've seen it, the Disney version doesn't address the eternal soul of man vs the longer lifespan but no eternal soul of merfolk.

Ursula is genuinely a great villain, because like all great villains... in literature and real life, it's more about abuse of power, deception, betrayal, deceit, etc etc. So as great as Disney villains like Cruela DeVille (101 Dalmations) are, a character like Ursula is so much more dynamic and interesting and true to how people really are in real life, rather than the simple "I want to kill puppies!" mustache twirling variety.

The Little Mermaid was on my long list of consideration, but since I was only going to include one... maybe two animated films on my list, it didn't make the cut. I find the music, tone, atmosphere, and even the songs to be just a step up to the next level in Beauty and the Beast, which WAS on my short list and almost made the animated film slot on my list... which IS in all objectivity a BETTER film that the one I included on my list, but I had to go with my heart. At this point however, I don't think my animated pick will show up on the MoFo Musicals list. :) But, we'll see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y26D-Qr2C0M

Miss Vicky

10-29-24, 06:18 PM

The fact that so many of the other character's get songs, especially the lobster* character, is one of the many great things about The Little Mermaid

*crab

Sebastian is a crab, not a lobster.

exiler96

10-29-24, 06:23 PM

Love The Muppets teach My Coaine a Lesson and Llewyn Davis... The Little Mermaid is one my least favorite Disney classics (legit songs though).

And motherkisser how did I leave out The Spinal Tap?!

iluv2viddyfilms

10-29-24, 06:23 PM

*crab

Sebastian is a crab, not a lobster.

Ahhhh, but what did you think of the rest of what I wrote?

Speaking of crabs... no. No. Never mind. Too easy.

Yeah, I admittedly, hardly know the difference between a crab and a lobster. Guilty as charged and I'm ready to accept the penalty for my ignorance!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyZ3arZBilw

Miss Vicky

10-29-24, 06:29 PM

Ahhhh, but what did you think of the rest of what I wrote?

TLDR

iluv2viddyfilms

10-29-24, 06:50 PM

TLDR

"This is too long."

OK, Polonius.

WHITBISSELL!

10-29-24, 07:09 PM

At the halfway mark I've only seen 13 of 50 and only 6 have made my ballot. There won't be anything close to a clean sweep like with the noir countdown. It's totally understandable though since I don't go out of my way to watch musicals. But with my Christmas Carol fetish I will make a point to finally watch The Muppet Christmas Carol this year. Came close to watching it last year when I did my yearly ACC marathon but I went with an Irish production of it instead.

Inside Llewyn Davis (#8)
Corpse Bride (#24)
The Jungle Book
Duck Soup
O Brother, Where Art Thou?
Yellow Submarine
Purple Rain (my #9)
White Christmas
The Burden
Gigi (#17)
Tommy (#15)
Amadeus
Cinderella (#5)

beelzebubble

10-29-24, 08:49 PM

Oh my word! I'm back. Did you miss me?
I am now able to actually pay attention to what is going on here in this thread.
There are actually musicals here that I haven't seen. I was a fiend for musicals when i was a kid and my parents had a lot of the cast albums of the Broadway shows and old Disney fare.
Without further ado, here are my stats.
I have seen 42 of the 52 movies mentioned here.
Those that are on my ballot are:
#2. Oklahoma!
#3 Gigi
#5 South Pacific
#6 Cinderella
#8 Frozen
#11 Funny Girl
#12 West Side Story
I love Frozen. I never intended to see it. I have no children so I haven't see many of the Disney movies of the last 40 years. I used to go to the multiplex with a friend and we would pay for one and sneak into others. We sneaked into Frozen before another movie we intended to see began screening. We were so taken with it, that we came back next week and paid to it see it. The movie was so much fun! Olaf was priceless. A very young cousin and I had a discussion over who was better that year, Olaf or Rocket Raccoon. We chose Rocket. Women do love a bad boy.

John W Constantine

10-29-24, 08:57 PM

I've never seen Oklahoma!, so this is what I always think of when it's mentioned:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGUNrHWZaVs
Same.

Omnizoa

10-29-24, 09:11 PM

If it's a Disney animated film released prior to 2003, just assume I've seen it.

seanc

10-29-24, 09:43 PM

This pairing made me think of Citizen. One for me one for him day

Citizen Rules

10-29-24, 09:47 PM

I feel like there are two MoFo camps posting here...those that love classical musicals and those that don't but like Disney. Both camps are fine, but geez is there a huge gulf between the two groups or what.

Oklahoma! (1955) was my #5...I wrote this about it:
https://dl9fvu4r30qs1.cloudfront.net/e3/0b/db1aa15f481bbcd096bf44edce73/the-ten-commandments.00164853.jpg
Oklahoma! (1955)

Oklahoma!, one of my favorites and one of the more unusual of the Rodgers and Hammerstein musicals. It's both a sweet love story of a young country girl (Shirley Jones) being courted by a cowboy (Gordon MacRae) and at the same time it contains one of the most psychologically violent and disturbing sub stories that I've seen in a mid 20th century musical. Rod Steiger plays a brooding farmhand who has fallen in love with young Laurey (Shirley Jones). We learn that at his last job a farm family had spurned him, making him feel like he was worthless, so he burnt the family up killing them all in a horrible fire. In the movie Gordon MacRae visits his shack and taunts him to hang himself in a morbidly funny song. Steiger repays him by plotting to kill him...not the usual musical fare.

https://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=100822

Gosh there are so many fine characters that are richly developed and played beautifully by the actors that I'd have to write way more than I want. So a quick shout out to Gloria Grahame as the comical Ado Annie the girl who just can't say no to the boys, I loved her character and the songs she sings. Eddie Albert as a traveling foreign salesman is so funny in this. And hey it's that film noir guy Gene Nelson dancing?

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-WcmYTXy2yJw/UyNFEX5KCEI/AAAAAAAAJuQ/Bf4pZDkAK8Y/s1600/18.gif

Oh, the dream sequence that Laurey (Shirley Jones) dreams up...the first couple times I seen this I didn't care for it as it was so different than the rest of the film. But now on my fourth watch I've come to love the ballet styled dream sequence where other actors play the leads. I guess Jud Fry (Rod Steiger) is so plumb evil that he appears as himself even in the dream sequence.

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Citizen Rules

10-29-24, 09:48 PM

This pairing made me think of Citizen. One for me one for him dayGood gravy! You're so right and I hadn't seen your post until I just submitted my post where I said something along the same lines.:p

dadgumblah

10-29-24, 09:57 PM

I'm ashamed to say that I've never seen Oklahoma! in its entirety. This even after our 6th grade music teacher made us listen to the album (don't remember if it was the movie soundtrack or the Broadway album, whichever existed at the time, way back then) over and over. The title song, Oh, What a Beautiful Mornin', The Surrey with the Fringe on Top, etc. were ingrained into my mind, so you'd think I would have seen the movie by now, but noooooo! And I want to. Just haven't. 🤷🏻

The Little Mermaid is a great Disney animated film and I love it. I'm glad to see it on the list. But, again, didn't vote for any animated films which by now I realize has doomed me to do awful in the final tally.

So far:
#1. On the Town #93 (list proper)
#6. Easter Parade #78 (list proper)
#10. Gigi #85 (list proper)
#12. Calamity Jane #84 (list proper)
#14. Seven Brides for Seven Brothers #71 (list proper)
#25. Neptune's Daughter (one-pointer)

stillmellow

10-29-24, 10:27 PM

I want to be there with you, but Star Wars is not a musical. Sorry!

Unless...

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNmNiNmFlOTEtZmUwNi00M2M2LWI2OTctOTQ1ZjFmNmRlOWVlXkEyXkFqcGc@._V1_.jpg

SpelingError

10-29-24, 10:32 PM

Two good films which didn't make my ballot.

beelzebubble

10-29-24, 10:47 PM

Speaking of crabs... no. No. Never mind. Too easy.

Yeah, I admittedly, hardly know the difference between a crab and a lobster. Guilty as charged and I'm ready to accept the penalty for my ignorance!

They are both delicious, so I can understand your confusion.

PHOENIX74

10-29-24, 11:47 PM

PHOENIX74

10-30-24, 12:09 AM

I would have been tickled to see the Star Wars Holiday Special make an appearance amongst the 1-pointers.

50. Oklahoma! (1955) - I haven't gotten around to seeing this yet, but it's up there in queue and I will one day soon. Do I know a bit of "I Cain't Say No" from Fawlty Towers? I seem to remember Connie Booth singing a line or two from it.

49. The Little Mermaid (1989) - I watched The Little Mermaid because I want to eventually see all of the Disney animated features. I gave it 8/10 and wrote on Letterboxd : "Great music, and perfect for little boys and girls everywhere. Zips along with a nice and short run-time with memorable songs and adorable animation that doesn't overwhelm the senses. Remember when a film could be less complex?" There's a sense these days that we need more of everything - but jamming more stuff into a film can often hurt as much as help. Anyway, this didn't make my list *checking my list to see if I nominated any animated films* I nominated one. This wasn't it.

Seen : 33/52

Little Ash

10-30-24, 12:18 AM

I have not seen either Oklahoma! nor The Little Mermaid.

iluv2viddyfilms

10-30-24, 12:44 AM

I have not seen either Oklahoma! nor The Little Mermaid.

Here's Oklahoma! on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9xKBRPi26U

gbgoodies

10-30-24, 12:51 AM

Allaby

10-30-24, 01:10 AM

The Little Mermaid is my #12. I love the characters and the songs. I've seen and liked Oklahoma, but it didn't make my ballot.

Seen: 51/52

gbgoodies

10-30-24, 01:18 AM

I like most of the movies with the Muppets, including Muppet Christmas Carol, but it didn't make my list. There was only one movie with the Muppets that I strongly considered for my list, and hopefully it will show up later.

I've never heard of The Lure.

Oklahoma! is one of my all-time favorite musicals, and it was a lock for my list from Day 1. It was #5 on my list. (I also love the 1999 West End stage show version with Hugh Jackman, but that wasn't eligible for this list.)

I considered The Little Mermaid for my list. It has some great songs and I wanted to include it, but I just didn't have room for most of the animated musicals that I love, so it didn't make my list. I'm glad to see it made the countdown without my help.

My list so far:
5. Oklahoma! (1955)
9. 1776 (1972)
12. The Greatest Showman (2017)
17. Anastasia (1997)
25. Frozen (2013)

iluv2viddyfilms

10-30-24, 01:47 AM

My list so far with my ranking and MoFo's ranking:

25. The Smiling Lieutenant (96)
22. 42nd Street (76)
21. Easter Parade (78)
19. A Star is Born - 1954 version (67)
14. Duck Soup (65)
9. Pennies From Heaven (56)

So only about a quarter of mine have dropped in the top 50. I imagine a good number will drop later on too. I expect six or seven of mine won't make the list, especially considering some of the other big titles that have already showed up such as The Little Mermaid and Unthawed.

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My four big hopes for the remainder of this list now that we're at "halftime"...

1. My number one pick, is truly the greatest musical of all time and IT WILL undoubtedly make the list, but likely it won't be the number one spot. I'm OK with that, as long as my number one pick makes the top 10. The only thing going against it, is maybe not quite as many people have seen it, meaning it might have fewer votes, but of those who have seen it and did include it on their list, it will certainly be ranked highly.

2. My number seven pick I just want to make the list, period. It's not entirely an obscure pick by any means, but it is truly a remarkable and amazing and wonderful and perfect musical that is often overlooked and under appreciated. If it doesn't make the list, for shame. Sadly that's a definite possibility because I figured it would have showed up already. In fact, it could be possible that out of all the list contributors, I might be the only one who has voted for it.

3. My 17 pick is my animated pick, and even though that Disney films are going to dominate this list, I really want this one to show up. However, after The Little Mermaid dropped, I'd be shocked if it does make the list because I can't imagine, if 1989 and 1990 box office numbers were any indication, that this film could be more popular, even at MoFo than The Little Mermaid, although today it is something more of a "cult classic" and has an extremely devout fan base, so it's possible this underdog could make my list. I'm not completely counting it down and out.

4. My 20 pick is a film that I really hope makes this list. It might, again it's widely seen as not a great musical, but despite it being admittedly unbalanced, it has some of the best moments in any musical and is a genuinely funny film with some great cinematography, story, and character writing. It's a "sentimental" favorite, but it means a lot to me and I remember having so much fun and enjoyment watching it for the first time, popping it into the VHS player having no clue what to expect. It also features one of its three main stars' most underrated and under appreciated performances.

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So yeah, those are my four hopes for this list now that we are at halftime...

rauldc14

10-30-24, 10:44 AM

Top 5 songs so far from the movies that have been unveiled?

Mine:
Begin Again- Keira Knightley - Lost Stars
The Greatest Showman- From Now On
Moana - How Far I'll Go
Tick Tick Boom- Louder than Words
Begin Again- Tell Me if you Wanna go Home

Citizen Rules

10-30-24, 11:01 AM

It's coming today...

Holden Pike

10-30-24, 12:07 PM

Top 5 songs so far from the movies that have been unveiled?
Making the distinction of Original Songs written for the movies, and limiting to one song per film...

1. "Purple Rain" (Purple Rain)
2. "The Galaxy Song" (Monty Python's Meaning of Life)
3. "Let's Duet" (Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story)
4. "The Bare Necessities" (The Jungle Book)
5. "In Summer" (Frozen)

rauldc14

10-30-24, 01:08 PM

It's coming today...

Nope. Top 30

Citizen Rules

10-30-24, 01:40 PM

Nope. Top 30With this countdown it might just be Top 30.:p

Wooley

10-30-24, 01:43 PM

Wooley

10-30-24, 01:44 PM

The Little Mermaid is a great Disney animated film and I love it. I'm glad to see it on the list. But, again, didn't vote for any animated films which by now I realize has doomed me to do awful in the final tally.

Same.

Wooley

10-30-24, 01:46 PM

Citizen Rules

10-30-24, 02:00 PM

Boycotted?You know the movies that have what many consider to be socially taboo stuff in them. They probably got some votes but I could see others' not voting for them because of content.

Thursday Next

10-30-24, 02:54 PM

6lists84pointsAlice in Wonderland (https://www.movieforums.com/movies/12092-alice-in-wonderland.html)Director
Hamilton Luske, 1951

Starring
Kathryn Beaumont, Ed Wynn, Richard Haydn, Sterling Holloway

Thursday Next

10-30-24, 02:54 PM

10lists84pointsHair (https://www.movieforums.com/movies/10654-hair.html)Director
Miloš Forman, 1979

Starring
John Savage, Treat Williams, Beverly D'Angelo, Annie Golden

Allaby

10-30-24, 02:56 PM

Seen and liked both, but neither made my ballot.

Seen:53/54

Thursday Next

10-30-24, 02:56 PM

Yet another tie!

The Little Mermaid and Hair were both on 10 ballots which is the most so far and the most now until we reach the top 30.

Holden Pike

10-30-24, 02:58 PM

102010

Alice in Wonderland was #27 on the MoFo Top 100 of the 1950s as well as #33 on the MoFo Top 100 Animated Films.

Thursday Next

10-30-24, 03:01 PM

To be honest, I'd forgotten Alice in Wonderland was even a musical and couldn't name a single song from it. Hair is on my catch-up list.

Thief

10-30-24, 03:05 PM

I haven't seen any of these two. I have a feeling I saw Alice in Wonderland when I was a kid at some point, but I have no recollection of it, let alone any songs.

SEEN: 16/54
MY BALLOT: 5/25

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12. Inside Llewyn Davis (#53)
13. Moana (#68)
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17. Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (#66)
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21. The Band Wagon (#80)
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25. Hallelujah (One-pointer)

Citizen Rules

10-30-24, 03:11 PM

I watched Hair in The Musical Countdown Group Watch. It was an interesting movie and one I had wanted to see. Not a favorite though...I wrote this:

https://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=99635

Hair (1979)

The music is tops, some of the best songs I've heard in a musical and the less familiar ones also have something deep to say. When I watched the movie and it opened with 'Aquarius' I had goose bumps, it was that good. But I did start to lose some interest in the first part, but then I was hooked into the story and the ending makes the movie! That and the music. So yeah I enjoyed this and think mostly well of it.

Why only 'mostly well' because as I was watching it I had this feeling it wasn't set in the late 1960s but set in 1979. It's not just the people and cars in the background that looked 1979ish...it was the attitude of the film towards the hippies. The hippies were cast as roguish bullies, leaching off society. I thought that was weird as the songs tell a completely different story than the one the director Milos Forman gave us. When I was done watching the movie I read about the original stage play and learned it was not a period piece but had been actually written and performed in 1967 off Broadway. I also learned the movie radical changes the theme of the story. In the play the hippies were more like peace loving flower children...flipping the peace movement of the late 1960s to the viewpoint of the late 1970s seems sacrilegious to me. I wish they would remake this.

Miss Vicky

10-30-24, 03:12 PM

To be honest, I'd forgotten Alice in Wonderland was even a musical and couldn't name a single song from it. Hair is on my catch-up list.

A Very Merry Unbirthday to You!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_7Q6dCS-e0

I was never a big fan of this movie as a kid, but it's grown on me a lot in my adulthood. I voted for it at #21.

Here's what I wrote about it when I rewatched it for the countdown:
http://www.angelfire.com/music6/walteregan/AnimationCountdown/Gifs/33aliceinwonderland.gif

Alice In Wonderland
(Clyde Geronimi, Wilfred Jackson and Hamilton Luske, 1951)

It's been a few years since I last watched this movie and I had kind of forgotten how unrelentingly weird it is. It is just packed with things that are both nonsensical and delightfully whimsical, with bright colors, memorable characters, and fun songs (A very merry unbirthday to you!). It was never a favorite as a child, but its craziness has grown on me in my adulthood. I still wouldn't call it a big favorite, but it will no doubt make my ballot.

3.5

I didn't like Hair.

My Ballot:
2. Charlotte's Web (#79)
6. Walk the Line (#95)
12. Corpse Bride (#61)
15. The Jungle Book (#63)
20. Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (#66)
21. Alice in Wonderland (#48)
25. Joe's Apartment (One Pointer)

Holden Pike

10-30-24, 03:26 PM

102011
While the Broadway Musical and many of the songs from the show became hits in 1968, it was actually a blessing that it took more than ten years for a feature film adaptation to make it to the screen. Had it been made in 1969 or 1970 it almost surely would be an interesting sociological document but hopelessly pretentious, and though perhaps in that era it may have employed some experimental aspects to the filmmaking, I suspect the odds of it turning into a feature film with lasting appeal would have been long. There was a very loose plot to the original stage version, but by the time writer Michael Weller and director Miloš Forman got their hands on it there was enough time and distance from the actual Hippie movement to make a pretty gosh darn good and very entertaining flick from Hair.

During production at the end of 1977 (released in 1979), the Vietnam War had been over for a a few years and to the next generation it was perhaps easy to reduce the Peace Movement to silly clothes and idealism. I think what makes Hair work so well is it grafts those ideals onto a simple but effective plot about innocence lost, kinship, unrequited love, and sacrifice. Yes, it is quite different than the play, but while on first flush some of the ideas may seem a bit neutered it does actually treat the subject and characters with a great deal of respect and affection. The cast is absolutely perfect, especially Treat Williams. Although he would spend most of his career playing heavies and morally questionable characters (Spielberg's 1941 was released the same year as Hair), here his George Berger is a funny, smart, righteous, and stalwart fella...who can also sing and dance. Because yes, of course there are those terrific songs brought to life by some stunning and iconic choreography by Twyla Tharp, staged largely around Manhattan and Central Park.

While it all could have been done as a dated costume parade with contempt for its archetypes or as a spoof of the era, the movie is compelling and fun and even poignant by the end. I had it on my list at number fourteen.

HOLDEN’S BALLOT
3. Pennies from Heaven (#56)
11. This is Spın̈al Tap (#55)
14. Hair (#47)
17. Amadeus (#97)
21. Gentlemen Prefer Blondes (#69)
25. Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story (#74)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZUSbxwh2V4

rauldc14

10-30-24, 03:30 PM

Heck yes! Alice was my number 5!

Wooley

10-30-24, 04:06 PM

You know the movies that have what many consider to be socially taboo stuff in them. They probably got some votes but I could see others' not voting for them because of content.

Ah, I see.

Wooley

10-30-24, 04:07 PM

I've always really liked Hair and could easily have swapped it out for any of like the bottom 7 or 8 on my list.

kgaard

10-30-24, 04:21 PM

Alice in Wonderland is cute and pretty fun, but not on my list.

I haven't seen Hair, but I have seen this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU405TfjCq4

Thief

10-30-24, 04:50 PM

Last couple of entries have brought a couple more people into the list of repeating directors...

First of all, John Musker and Ron Clements nabbed their second one with The Little Mermaid (#49). They had previously placed Moana at #68.

Today, we got Milos Forman with Hair (#47). He had previously placed Amadeus at #97.

MovieMeditation

10-30-24, 05:42 PM

Haven’t seen Hair, don’t like Alice in Wonderland. At least last time I checked.

iluv2viddyfilms

10-30-24, 05:47 PM

Alice in Wonderland is a great Disney animated film; one of the absolute best. I didn't have it on my ballot, but it could have been. It's been years since I've watched it and from what I remember, it doesn't have full blown musical numbers, more just shorter musical moments and interludes, but yeah it's a great film. It ranks up there with Fantasia and Beauty and the Beast in terms of the Disney canon, for me at least.

Also the Lewis Carol story has been timeless, and while most people think of the Disney film as that's their introduction to Alice and Wonderland, there have been many other great adaptations of the story, characters, and world. There's a silent film, a version in the 1930s - in which I believe Cary Grant actually plays the Mock Turtle, and then of course the bizarre and surreal and creepy 1988 version by Jan Svankmajer which has to be seen to be believed. It's full of miniatures, horrifying doll houses, stop motion, and all sorts of off-putting and disorienting imagery. I even did find use from the Tim Burton version as well, and it wasn't as great as anything in the 1988 or Disney films, it's still worth a watch. Also the Brothers Quay with stop motion did a short version of it as well.

I haven't watched all of Hair, but I have heard most of the musical numbers here and there over the years including of course "Age of Aquarius" and the title song. It was something that never really appealed to me, and avoiding politics of it, unless anyone is near 70 years old, they weren't really around for the hippie movement so most of us only know what we've read in texts, have seen in documentaries, and what the school system told us, but it's too bad that the whole anti-Vietnam movement, which just on a policy platform position was very legitimate with real concerns, got conflated with and clouded with the movement of free love, drug use, and counterculture which coincided with many other social changes that were happening at the time, which completely changed the nature and dynamic of our societal and cultural institutions.

In general the trend of rock-opera songs that were all the rage in the 70s, never really appealed to me - just from a musical and stylistic point of view. I appreciate them for what they are and they have their moments, but for the most part the Andrew Lloyd Webber - Jesus Christ Superstar, Rocky Horror Picture Show, The Wiz, Hair, etc, etc type of stuff of that time period doesn't really do it for me.

Oh and I found the film Hair on youtube if anyone hasn't seen it and wants to watch it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW_60tdkDco

mrblond

10-30-24, 06:28 PM

#47. Hair (1979) got 16 pts from me taking #10 at my ballot.

This movie and the music obtained a cult status in my country during the 80's and the 90's. Miloš Forman was the absolute king of filmmakers in those years considering his triple: Cuckoo's Nest - Hair - Amadeus. In addition, John Savage became another hero of ours being a star in one more 1979 hit - The Deer Hunter.
Naturally, this title was one of the first which landed at my ballot after the countdown theme was announced.

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My Ballot
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5. Everyone Says I Love You (1996) [#73]
6.
7. Monty Python's The Meaning of Life (1983) [#99]
8.
9. Amadeus (1984) [#97]
10. Hair (1979) [#47]
11.
12. Jesus Christ Superstar (1973) [#59]
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16. Rocketman (2019) [#91]
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25. The Gypsy Camp Vanishes Into the Blue (1975) [one pointer]

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stillmellow

10-30-24, 06:37 PM

Hair has one hell of an ending, that greatly improves on the stage plays in my opinion, but as a whole it doesn't quite work for me. It's alright, but not a contender.

The songs in Alice in Wonderland seemed incidental to me, not really adding much to the story. Although I'll admit several are very catchy. Didn't make my list either.

cricket

10-30-24, 07:46 PM

If there's one musical I haven't seen that I should've seen, it's probably Hair.

Loved Alice as a kid but it's been decades. I remember the Disney ride better.

Takoma11

10-30-24, 07:54 PM

Unless...

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNmNiNmFlOTEtZmUwNi00M2M2LWI2OTctOTQ1ZjFmNmRlOWVlXkEyXkFqcGc@._V1_.jpg

I'm not sure if anyone has told you how these countdowns work, but we're not supposed to reveal the #1 movie until the end! :mad:

SpelingError

10-30-24, 08:23 PM

Alice in Wonderland is pretty good, but it didn't make my ballot.

I watched Hair for the group watch. I didn't care for it though.

Omnizoa

10-30-24, 08:57 PM

On a rewatch, I gave Alice in Wonderland a 4/5.

Alice in Wonderland contains plenty of words, but what it does, arguably better than any other Disney movie to date, is create a world that simultaneously makes no sense, but is so visually, creatively, and thematically indulgent that it excels in taking that world of delusional fantasy from our dreams and trapping it in a bottle.

It's like an addictive fuel for artists,I, however, do not remember it for it's musical numbers and did not vote for it.

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beelzebubble

10-30-24, 09:03 PM

Alice in Wonderland is a movie that's songs I knew before I saw the movie. The movie is a little too aggressive for me, but I do love the songs.. It is not on my list.
Hair is my #10 and I sang the hell out of those songs. I love the music of that period. I am 62 and my parents were kind of involved in the hippie culture. My dad worked in a coffee house that was quite famous in Philadelphia. My sister and I would run around the coffee house eating brownies and being loud with other kids. It was fun and i am sure my parents were having the time of their lives. I also remember the anti-war movement and the nightly death toll from Vietnam during the news.

gbgoodies

10-31-24, 12:29 AM

I like the movie Alice in Wonderland, but more for the story and the visuals than for the music and the songs.

I watched Hair for the Group Watch, and it has a few good songs, but the movie is just okay for me. But the ending was good.

gbgoodies

10-31-24, 12:46 AM

Top 5 songs so far from the movies that have been unveiled?

1776 - "But, Mr. Adams"
The Greatest Showman - "A Million Dreams"
Calamity Jane - "Secret Love"
Anastasia - "Once Upon a December"
Oklahoma! - "People Will Say We're in Love"
The Jungle Book - "The Bare Necessities"

iluv2viddyfilms

10-31-24, 02:46 AM

1776 - "But, Mr. Adams"

Couldn't agree more on that one. It's a masterpiece and the film barely, just barely was cut from my top 25, but was on my short list when I whiddled it down to about 30 musicals. And I just could have easily included it, but instead opted to balance my list out a bit more by including three of my favorite musicals from the 1930s.

dadgumblah

10-31-24, 06:34 AM

I've only seen Alice in Wonderland once so a rewatch is due. I do remember loving it though.

Hair is a great movie with a whole gob of great songs. Although John Savage is one of my favorite actors, and everybody did a good job, this was Treat Williams' film all the way. It feels like a sort-of personal film for me: my boy Savage being in it; Cheryl Barnes, who sings "Easy to Be Hard," is someone I saw in person in the musical "Dreamgirls." My wife and I saw this ages ago it seems and we both loved Barnes as Effie, the star of the show. She brought the house down with "And I Am Telling You I'm Not Going," earning an eternal and well-deserved standing ovation. And lastly, Don Dacus, who plays Woof, was also in the rock group Chicago for a few years. He's from a town just a few miles from where I grew up. It's hard for me to disconnect from these bits of personal trivia when I think of this movie. Besides my personal feelings, it's just a hell of an entertaining musical.

So far:
#1. On the Town #93 (list proper)
#6. Easter Parade #78 (list proper)
#10. Gigi #85 (list proper)
#12. Calamity Jane #84 (list proper)
#14. Seven Brides for Seven Brothers #71 (list proper)
#25. Neptune's Daughter (one-pointer)

PHOENIX74

10-31-24, 06:40 AM

48. Alice in Wonderland (1951) - I did not know there was an Alice in Wonderland musical out there - I'm surprised I was never exposed to it in my childhood, although come to think of it, maybe I was several times and have simply forgotten about it. It's ringing tiny bells, but even so, had no idea about it being a musical.

47. Hair (1979) - Hair really impressed me the one and only time I saw it - enough for it to make my ballot (I have to say that despite only watching it from start to finish once, I did watch a few of the songs on YouTube numerous times over the days that followed.) You don't have to agree with what the young people say or do in this, it's their endearing belief in what they're singing about that gives them that special glow young people are blessed with. I think I used to break out into song quite often when I was really young, even if it was either when I was alone, or just to belt out a line or two to try and spread cheer. Solidarity through music is a hallmark throughout the world, no matter which culture you come from. All of that is exemplified here, where rebellion meets all kinds of grubby realities where youthful exuberance meets stone cold materiality. Great songs as well - really great songs. I'm whistling "Hair" as I type. I had Hair at #14 on my ballot.

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Seen : 34/54
I'd never even heard of : 9/54
Movies that had been on my radar, but I haven't seen yet : 11/42
Films from my list : 6

#47 - My #14 - Hair (1979)
#59 - My #5 - Jesus Christ Superstar (1973)
#60 - My #23 - Annie (1982)
#72 - My #22 - Yellow Submarine (1968)
#92 - My #8 - Tommy (1975)
One-pointer - My #25 - Shock Treatment (1981)

honeykid

10-31-24, 11:34 AM

I feel like there are two MoFo camps posting here...those that love classical musicals and those that don't but like Disney. Both camps are fine, but geez is there a huge gulf between the two groups or what.

That's not a gulf. That's just me in the middle hating both of you. :D

This even after our 6th grade music teacher made us listen to the album (don't remember if it was the movie soundtrack or the Broadway album, whichever existed at the time, way back then) over and over.
Surely there are laws against that?

I have not seen either Oklahoma! nor The Little Mermaid.
Me neither and I almost certainly won't.

That said, I love Flounder. One of the best Christmas presents I ever had was from my sister 20 odd years ago when she bought this one of these.

https://cdn.s7.shopdisney.eu/is/image/DisneyStoreES/415157321708?fmt=webp&qlt=70&wid=652&hei=652

Because yes, of course there are those terrific songs brought to life by some stunning and iconic choreography by Twyla Tharp, staged largely around Manhattan and Central Park.

Did their parents have a peech inspediment or something? :D

For the first time I think I've actually seen both entries! Alice I saw as a kid a couple of times (and someone bought a Walt Disney LP with songs from various films when I was small so I do know a few of the songs from it) and I had Hair at #23. The film is OK, but I love so many of the songs that I had to have a place for it here. As a (very) long haired man from my late teens, the title track was almost an anthem for me in my late teens/early 20's, which is the perfect time for these songs (and probably) this film too. Nice to see it just break the top 50.

Little Ash

10-31-24, 11:54 AM

You know the movies that have what many consider to be socially taboo stuff in them. They probably got some votes but I could see others' not voting for them because of content.

I did not feel comfortable putting The Other Cinderella (1977, Pataki) on my ballot without rewatching it first, to see if I wanted to basically sign off on the, "eh, you just need to ignore the racism and homophobia of the jokes."

Though, maybe closer to what you may have voted for, I'm realizing what I wrote about Top Hat was me confusing the title with Swing Time. And black face scene aside, I didn't care for Swing Time (which left me without any interest for searching out for Top Hat). I guess if Swing Time shows up later, I'll go back and copy & paste what I wrote there.

Little Ash

10-31-24, 11:57 AM

Citizen Rules

10-31-24, 01:24 PM

...Though, maybe closer to what you may have voted for, I'm realizing what I wrote about Top Hat was me confusing the title with Swing Time. And black face scene aside, I didn't care for Swing Time (which left me without any interest for searching out for Top Hat). I guess if Swing Time shows up later, I'll go back and copy & paste what I wrote there.All movies are in and of their time so are an important window back into how society viewed and reacted to the people and world around them. In that way old movies are a fascinating museum of where we were, which can then help us reflect on where we are going.

I personally don't feel the need to boycott on ethical reasons old movies that have unpalatable scenes, as I think the past should be known and known well, least we forget how different things were not so long ago. Though elements in old movie like black face does take the enjoyment out of the musical number for me and I find myself not enjoying those musical numbers even though they can have great songs. For my own ballot I just voted for the musicals that I enjoy even if they do have a few warts.

Thursday Next

10-31-24, 02:54 PM

Today is the day! The day some of you have been patiently waiting for (and others will just think wtf...)

Thursday Next

10-31-24, 02:55 PM

5lists85pointsStingray Sam (https://www.movieforums.com/movies/37511-stingray-sam.html)Director
Cory McAbee, 2009

Starring
Cory McAbee, Crugie, Joshua Taylor, Willa Vy McAbee

Thursday Next

10-31-24, 02:55 PM

8lists86pointsThe Muppet Movie (https://www.movieforums.com/movies/11176-the-muppet-movie.html)Director
James Frawley, 1979

Starring
Jim Henson, Frank Oz, Jerry Nelson, Richard Hunt

Yoda

10-31-24, 02:57 PM

I'll do it for her:

https://i.imgur.com/mpoHOhl.gif

Miss Vicky

10-31-24, 02:58 PM

Liberty Chew Chewing Tobacco Presents...

"Stingray Sam is not a hero, but he does do the things that folks don't do that need to be done. He's got a bravery inside that won't let him run away. It will not let him run."

Stingray Sam is a weird and wonderful one hour long, episodic, low-budget black and white musical comedy space Western by Cory McAbee that I discovered after watching The American Astronaut - another low-budget black and white musical comedy space Western by Cory McAbee.

It wasn't quite instant love, but I liked Stingray Sam a lot on first watch and ended up watching it three more times and liking it more each time. I love it now, it has quickly become one of my favorite movies, and it landed on my ballot at #4 - though I considered putting it even higher.

Citizen and I both campaigned to get it on the countdown. I'm thrilled to see that we succeeded and I'm absolutely ecstatic that it ranked this high!

Here's my review:
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Stingray Sam
(Cory McAbee, 2009)

Like McAbee's The American Astronaut, Stingray Sam is a bizarre black and white musical space western. Where this film varies from the other though is that it is divided into 6 different "episodes" (each with its own title and set of intro and end credits), each featuring one song. It follows Stingray Sam, a convict turned lounge singer who is arrested by his old friend and fellow convict The Quasar Kid. In order to repay their debts to society, the two must join forces on a mission to rescue a little girl and reunite her with her father.

But whereas I spent much of The American Astronaut being a little bewildered by its strangeness, I settled into this one rather quickly. I do think having just watched The American Astronaut helped immensely in terms of setting expectations, but also Stingray Sam seemed a lot less convoluted and more polished than its predecessor. It also has some genuinely great songs ("Fredward" being my favorite) and I had an undeniably good time with this one. There's also no doubt that I'll vote for it, though I am docking it some points for the amount of its already very brief runtime (it's only about an hour long) that is spent on the credits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNhXYmJ0G8c

Oh and in retrospect I have decided that I do actually like The American Astronaut, but I definitely prefer this one.

Edit: 7/20/2024

I just rewatched this and I think I love it. This time I wasn't at all bothered by its episodic structure or by the amount of time spent on the credits. It's just delightfully weird and delightfully charming, with equally weird and charming songs. I'm going to upgrade its rating from my initial 3.5 to a 4, but I could see it going even higher if I give it another watch in the future.

Edit: 8/9/2024

I rewatched it again last night. It's just such an easy and fun watch and I really love the music. I'm gonna upgrade its rating again but I think its rating will top out here.

4.5

I know I've seen The Muppet Movie, but I don't really remember it.

My Ballot:
2. Charlotte's Web (#79)
4. Stingray Sam (#46)
6. Walk the Line (#95)
12. Corpse Bride (#61)
15. The Jungle Book (#63)
20. Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (#66)
21. Alice in Wonderland (#48)
25. Joe's Apartment (One Pointer)

Yoda

10-31-24, 03:04 PM

I am one of what I assume are several Miss Vicky recruits to the Stingray Sam cult. I promised I'd give it a shot and I did, watching it maybe the day before the countdown deadline. And it was quite enjoyable. It's rough, of course. Very rough. But the quality of the underlying music stands out all the same. They're just really good, solid, catchy songs, with fun lyrics and weird ideas taken as seriously as they can be taken.

I'd be lying if I said I was captivated by the scenes between the music. I'd really love to see a "proper" version of the ol' SS...er...SS...but it's also hard to tell whether that would effectively ruin it.

Anyway, weird, hidden little gem that's better than it has any right to be. It's only an hour of your time and the music alone is worth it.

Allaby

10-31-24, 03:06 PM

I've seen and liked both, but didn't have room on my ballot for either. Glad they both made the countdown.

Seen: 55/56

Citizen Rules

10-31-24, 03:07 PM

Hell yes! Stingray Sam finally made it:) and after I stopped saying 'today will be the day'...which of course I knew would mean that it would show up today! I have to thank Miss Vicky for discovering Stingray Sam and choosing it for the Musical Countdown Group Watch as otherwise I wouldn't have seen this very special and strangely compelling sci-fi musical!

I have Stingray Sam as my #7
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Stingray Sam (2009)

Yahoo! I just had to say that as that's how Stingray Sam made me feel. I enjoyed this: I was entertained, I was engaged, I was amused and I was impressed! I liked this much better than Cory McAbee's other film The American Astronaut. I had a smile on my face through out the movie that's how quirky-fun this film was for me. I thought the movie was a breath of fresh air and showed a lot of talent from the film's writer, director, star and singer Cory McAbee. Loved the way he did world building on a tight budget. He did that with one helluva creative sci fi narrative about men having babies and economics and social class commentaries and rocket ship factories. With the wacky photo stills and David Hyde Pierce doing the voice over, the movie was able to build one heck of a cool alternative world.

This is going to make my ballot, I don't care if I have to bump an old musical to do it...I think Stingray Sam deserves a spot on our countdown.

Thief

10-31-24, 03:17 PM

Just like Muppet Christmas Carol, I'm pretty sure I must have seen The Muppet Movie when I was a kid; but if I did, I don't remember anything. Weirdly enough, my kids haven't quite latched onto them, and it might be "late" for them already.

I don't think I've even heard of Stingray Sam.

SEEN: 16/56
MY BALLOT: 5/25

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12. Inside Llewyn Davis (#53)
13. Moana (#68)
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17. Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (#66)
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21. The Band Wagon (#80)
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25. Hallelujah (One-pointer)

rauldc14

10-31-24, 03:25 PM

I can't find a gong to fit this moment of travesty.

Miss Vicky

10-31-24, 03:52 PM

I can't find the best way to celebrate this amazing moment.

FTFY.

Gideon58

10-31-24, 04:05 PM

Never heard of Stingray Sam let alone seen it.

Gideon58

10-31-24, 04:08 PM

1776 - "But, Mr. Adams"
The Greatest Showman - "A Million Dreams"
Calamity Jane - "Secret Love"
Anastasia - "Once Upon a December"
Oklahoma! - "People Will Say We're in Love"
The Jungle Book - "The Bare Necessities"

I love, love, love, love, love "But Mr. Adams"

Gideon58

10-31-24, 04:08 PM

Alice in Wonderland is pretty good, but it didn't make my ballot.

I watched Hair for the group watch. I didn't care for it though.

Except for "I'm Late", I can't remember any other songs in that movie.

rauldc14

10-31-24, 04:10 PM

Definitely curious on who the other 3 voters were

Sedai

10-31-24, 04:12 PM

I have watched The Muppet Movie several times with my daughter, but lately she seems to be all set with it, and she wanders off after about 15 minutes. This is fine with my wife, who for some reason can't stand the muppets. Anyway, I have always adored The Muppet Movie.

Miss Vicky

10-31-24, 04:13 PM

Definitely curious on who the other 3 voters were

You mean 2. Yoda is in the cult. I know who one of the others are and pretty sure I know who the fifth one is.

Edit: Voter 5 just revealed himself immediately below this post and it’s who I expected.

cricket

10-31-24, 04:15 PM

Stingray Sam was recommended to me by MV as well. There's only about 5 musicals that even have songs I really like and SS is one of them. It's also hilarious. I could've had it higher but didn't want to overreact.

I liked The Muppet Movie as a kid when it came out.

5. Charlotte's Web (#79)
7. Stingray Sam (#46)
10. The Lure (#51)
17. Calamity Jane (#84)
20. Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (#66)
21. A Star is Born 1954 (#67)
25. 42nd Street (#76)

Holden Pike

10-31-24, 04:56 PM

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The Muppet Movie was #69 on the MoFo Top 100 of the 1970s.

Gideon58

10-31-24, 04:57 PM

Never heard of The Lure either

rauldc14

10-31-24, 05:27 PM

I know the other voter so we figured it out. Didn't know Yoda voted for it.

mrblond

10-31-24, 07:38 PM

Yes, I hit again for second day in a row... I had The Muppet Movie (1979) at #14 on my ballot.

The Muppet Show was popular when I was a kid and I've enjoyed it, especially some particular characters... Well, I'm not sure that I knew in those years that a full Muppet movie exists.. I saw it this summer for the countdown since I noticed it in some of the network musical-lists. It turned to be just the same of what I remember for the show and good enough to vote for it here.

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Gideon58

10-31-24, 07:54 PM

I really liked The Muppet Movie but it wouldn't have come anywhere near my top 25.

SpelingError

10-31-24, 08:33 PM

I haven't seen Stingray Sam. The Muppet Movie is really good, but I didn't vote for it.

rauldc14

10-31-24, 08:44 PM

Seen both of these. Up to 32/56 seen.

MovieMeditation

10-31-24, 10:09 PM

Neither, I have seen.

KeyserCorleone

10-31-24, 10:15 PM

Neither, I have seen.

We'll go find the Rainbow Connection and watch it already!

PHOENIX74

11-01-24, 01:00 AM

46. Stingray Sam - Another one I've never heard of - so many mid-list surprises happening!

45. The Muppet Movie - I used to watch this a fair bit when I was a kid, but it's been so long since I last saw it - too long. It would be interesting to go back and see it again, which I intend to do.

Seen 35/56

dadgumblah

11-01-24, 01:03 AM

I had never heard of Stingray Sam till it just made the countdown. So I immediately went to IMDB and watched the trailer and was sold. I have to watch this! Looks to be my type of jam.

The Muppet Movie is on my list and besides being one of my favorite musical movies, it one of my favorite movies, period. Saw it at the cinema when it came out and have loved it ever since (was/am a fan of the show obviously so going to the movie was a given). Nice to see it make it.

So far:
#1. On the Town #93 (list proper)
#6. Easter Parade #78 (list proper)
#10. Gigi #85 (list proper)
#12. Calamity Jane #84 (list proper)
#14. Seven Brides for Seven Brothers #71 (list proper)
#18. The Muppet Movie #45 (list proper)
#25. Neptune's Daughter (one-pointer)

gbgoodies

11-01-24, 01:46 AM

I watched Stingray Sam for the Group Watch and I liked it a lot more than I expected. It's a fun movie with some good songs. It didn't make my list, but I'm glad to see that it made the countdown.

The Muppet Movie is the only movie with the Muppets that I strongly considered for my list. I've probably seen it over 100 times because back when I was a teenager, I babysat for a kid who loved it, and he wanted to watch it every night. It was a good movie the first time I saw it, and it just got better with each viewing. It's a fun movie with some great songs and lots of cameos from some of the biggest stars of that time.

I couldn't find room for it on my list, but I'm thrilled to see that it made the countdown. :)

And "Rainbow Connection" is one of my all-time favorite songs, especially when sung by Kermit the Frog.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS3Lkc6Gzlk

stillmellow

11-01-24, 02:15 AM

I liked Stingray Sam quite a bit. It's full of charm and laughs, and it's a brisk hour long. It didn't make my list, but it's really nice to see unusual indie films in the list.

Of course the Muppet Movie made my list! I'm a lifelong Muppets fanatic! It's the third and final Muppet movie in my list. If we went to top 35, Muppet Caper would've made it too.

It isn't near the top of the list though, it's #18. As much as I love it, it wanders aimlessly a little too much to rank higher. But that ending is really in my top 5 of all time (not just musicals, all movies).

As much as I love it, Muppet Christmas Carol is the best Muppet Movie, #4 on my list. Treasure Island snuck in at #25.

stillmellow

11-01-24, 02:17 AM

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The Muppet Movie was #69 on the MoFo Top 100 of the 1970s.

(Wow, it's been forever since I've done a proper geeky 'um actually'. Here goes!)

Um, actually the bike riding scene is from the Great Muppet Caper.

kgaard

11-01-24, 11:47 AM

Stingray Sam I haven't seen, but it does sound intriguing.

The Muppet Movie was my #2. It's possible I've seen this movie more than any other. We had it on VHS when I was a kid and I never tired of watching it. Iit's a perennial at the local film museum (which also houses a substantial Jim Henson collection) so I've seen it on the big screen a few times recently. It's a wonderful piece of metafiction, with gloriously dumb jokes and lovely, singable songs. Really a perfect piece of cinema for my soul.

Little Ash

11-01-24, 11:55 AM

For whatever reason, I don't really have any recollection watching the Muppets growing up. Weirdly, that terrible children's cartoon Muppet Babies was on TV all the time. I feel I got the short end of the stick on that front, but also scratching my head by how that happened (also never saw The Wizard of Oz growing up).

Haven't seen any of the Muppet movies except that one in the 2010s. I don't recall that one being a musical.

I guess it is a musical I would consider watching if I was in the mood... more realistically, if a friend was hosting a movie night and they were showing it. I'd be curious to watch it.

I skimmed the musical group watch infrequently enough I missed the Stingray Sam moment, so I'm in the group that has never heard of it.

Thursday Next

11-01-24, 02:44 PM

9lists88pointsOliver! (https://www.movieforums.com/movies/17917-oliver.html)Director
Carol Reed, 1968

Starring
Ron Moody, Shani Wallis, Oliver Reed, Harry Secombe

Thursday Next

11-01-24, 02:44 PM

6lists89pointsA Star Is Born (https://www.movieforums.com/movies/332562-a-star-is-born.html)Director
Bradley Cooper, 2018

Starring
Lady Gaga, Bradley Cooper, Sam Elliott, Andrew Dice Clay

Thursday Next

11-01-24, 02:45 PM

Oliver! was my #14. A classic.

Miss Vicky

11-01-24, 02:45 PM

I haven't seen either of today's movies.

stillmellow

11-01-24, 02:49 PM

Citizen Rules

11-01-24, 02:54 PM

I seen Oliver and liked it well enough but it didn't make my ballot. I haven't seen the last remake of A Star is Born.

kgaard

11-01-24, 03:04 PM

NYC Museum of the Moving Image, Jim Henson Exhibit?

I've been there, and it was absolutely amazing. Not only did it have puppets from the Muppet show and Sesame Street, but also from the movies he worked on.

Yes, that's the one! I've been a member since about 2002. The Henson exhibit is a lot of fun and in general the museum curates top-notch exhibits and film series. Highly recommended to anyone living in or traveling to NYC.

kgaard

11-01-24, 03:06 PM

Oliver! is on my mental list of films to see, and I guess some day I'll work my way through the various A Star is Borns.

stillmellow

11-01-24, 03:10 PM

Yes, that's the one! I've been a member since about 2002. The Henson exhibit is a lot of fun and in general the museum curates top-notch exhibits and film series. Highly recommended to anyone living in or traveling to NYC.

I remember seeing the Mork and Mindy exhibit too. Another staple of my youth.

Thief

11-01-24, 03:27 PM

Another batch where I've seen neither. Both films are on my radar, though. Oliver! is one of only 15 or 20-ish Best Picture winners I haven't seen, and I've been curious about all four versions of A Star Is Born.

Speaking of which, this is the second one that makes it. Do you all think the 30s or the 70s version will make it? (at this point, I think the 70s is doubtful since it's the one that's talked about less often).

Anyway, here's where I stand now...

SEEN: 16/58
MY BALLOT: 5/25

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12. Inside Llewyn Davis (#53)
13. Moana (#68)
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15.
16.
17. Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (#66)
18.
19.
20.
21. The Band Wagon (#80)
22.
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24.
25. Hallelujah (One-pointer)

seanc

11-01-24, 03:52 PM

Didn’t care for Oliver!, and pretty shocked to see it above some that have already shown.

The newest Star Is Born is my favorite version by a pretty wide margin. I watched them all culminating with this one in theater, so you might think I would have been sick of the story by then. I wasn’t though, the music and performances in this one are fantastic. I didn’t consider it for the list though.

Holden Pike

11-01-24, 04:00 PM

102134

Oliver! was #90 on the MoFo Top 100 of the 1960s.

Holden Pike

11-01-24, 04:11 PM

102135
I like the previous three versions of A Star is Born well enough, but I never loved any of them. So I was somewhat shocked by how much I connected with and was moved by Bradley Cooper's crack at A Star is Born. It certainly isn't because I was a fan of Lady Gaga's, because I was not, but Matthew Libatique's images and Cooper's mublecore-ish way into this by now extremely familiar showbiz tale worked for me in every way. The songs are damn good too, especially the Oscar-winning "Shallow". Hell, even Andrew Dice Clay couldn't drag it down any, which is really saying something.

I had it thirteenth on my ballot. That makes seven of mine to show.

HOLDEN’S BALLOT
3. Pennies from Heaven (#56)
11. This is Spın̈al Tap (#55)
13. A Star is Born (#43)
14. Hair (#47)
17. Amadeus (#97)
21. Gentlemen Prefer Blondes (#69)
25. Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story (#74)

cricket

11-01-24, 04:21 PM

I don't believe I liked Oliver!!

5. Charlotte's Web (#79)
7. Stingray Sam (#46)
10. The Lure (#51)
14. A Star is Born (#43)
17. Calamity Jane (#84)
20. Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (#66)
21. A Star is Born 1954 (#67)
25. 42nd Street (#76)

LAMb EELYAK

11-01-24, 04:23 PM

I agree with pretty much everything Holden says here, though this was the first version of A Star Is Born that I saw. I'll just add a couple of thoughts from my first viewing, which was the only time I've every been in a "Dolby Cinema" screening.

1. The sound was so immersive that I couldn't tell whether applause was coming from the speakers or the audience.
2. I realized in the middle of "Shallow" that I was totally buying that Bradley Cooper had been singing in front of huge crowds for twenty years and that Lady Gaga had never done it before.

Seen 29/58.

1. A Star Is Born (2018) - #43
7. The Smiling Lieutenant (1931) - #96
8. Into the Woods (2014) - #86
12. West Side Story (2021) - #90
16. Rocketman (2019) - #91
20. Funny Girl (1968) - #77
22. A Star Is Born (1954) - #67
25. Commentary! The Musical (2008) - One-pointer

Allaby

11-01-24, 04:50 PM

Seen both. I really liked A Star is Born, but wasn't a big fan of Oliver.

Seen: 57/58

iluv2viddyfilms

11-01-24, 06:14 PM

I have not seen Oliver! and would definitely be willing to give it a watch at it does look interesting and of course it's directed by Carol Reed who made three of my all time favorite films in The Third Man, Odd Man Out, and what could arguably be Charlton Heston's greatest performance, which is really saying a lot, in The Agony and the Ecstasy.

I also haven't seen the 2018 version of A Star is Born, but would be willing to give it a shot of course. I do think Bradley Cooper is great and while he's not necessarily what I would call "a draw" for me, he's certainly one of those people on screen who works so well and is in so many great films and puts on a lot of great performances - the most bizarre and crazy of which is his small "cameo" role in Licorice Pizza. He was also wonderful as Leonard Bernstein in Maestro and spectacular in a movie that NO ONE saw or bothered to give a damn about in Nightmare Alley, which is a shame because having seen the original and then going to see the remake in the theater, it definitely is great noir.

To me though, A Star is Born IS a Judy Garland film and I struggle to imagine anything else matching up to the gold standard. I'm sure the other version are fine, I admittedly, I should watch them. Also since this is a film that's been made four times now... can anyone explain or does anyone know why this material is constantly being re-envisioned for each new generation? Is this an unspoken rule or understanding that this is material that every 30 years or so must be remade? What is it about the story and musical that lends itself to being consistently remade and updated for each new generation?

As far as my list goes, I still only have six that have shown up... so the deeper we go, I'm starting to wonder. A good handful of my are shoe-ins so I'm sure as we get to the top of the list, so many of mine will start to appear, but I'd still imagine a good six or seven of mine won't even make the list now. That's OK.

rauldc14

11-01-24, 07:05 PM

A Star is Born I was starting to wonder if it would miss, so I'm glad to see it here! I had it at 13!

Oliver! is just nothing special for me.

I'm intrigued by what 101-110 were this go around too.

iluv2viddyfilms

11-01-24, 07:51 PM

A Star is Born I was starting to wonder if it would miss, so I'm glad to see it here! I had it at 13!

I knew it would show up. If the 1954 version, which I voted for on my list, showed up, then there was no way the more popular, modern, and widely seen 2018 version wasn't going to show up.

Omnizoa

11-01-24, 08:13 PM

Think I've seen Oliver. Know it's a classic. All i remember is "Please sir, can I have some mooooore?"

beelzebubble

11-01-24, 08:21 PM

Another batch where I've seen neither. Both films are on my radar, though. Oliver! is one of only 15 or 20-ish Best Picture winners I haven't seen, and I've been curious about all four versions of A Star Is Born.

Speaking of which, this is the second one that makes it. Do you all think the 30s or the 70s version will make it? (at this point, I think the 70s is doubtful since it's the one that's talked about less often).

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The 30s A Star is Born is not a musical. Its a movie I like a lot because it has a very charming Janet Gaynor and young Frederic March. It's very good. I have never seen the Seventies version. I guess it depends on the Barbara Streisand fans. I only picked one Streisand film and that was Funny Girl.
I didn't vote for any of the last four movies but I have seen The Muppet one and the new A Star is Born.

I just had too say #69; Waka Waka!
https://youtu.be/Z8uY79zQeak?si=O-Z7TTEEvuQ82qF1

Oh, and Oliver should have been on my list. Great movie!

MovieFan1988

11-01-24, 08:32 PM

Nice another remake beats the original.

I predict that Lion King will make at least the top 20, watch it will be #11 :D, it would be nice if it was somewhere in the top 10.

mrblond

11-01-24, 08:40 PM

#44 - Oliver! (1968)
Charles Dickens' novel Oliver Twist is a huge classic. David Lean's film adaptation of 1948 was often on the television here in the 80's and the 90's. I couldn't skip the followed highly acclaimed musical so it landed at #18 on my ballot.
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#43 - A Star Is Born (2018)
Saw this when it came out and like other users already has said, it surprised me pleasantly. First and only time I liked Bradley Cooper.

iluv2viddyfilms

11-01-24, 08:53 PM

Nice another remake beats the original.

I predict that Lion King will make at least the top 20, watch it will be #11 :D, it would be nice if it was somewhere in the top 10.

I'm hoping that Beauty and the Beast will rank higher than The Lion King because I think it's a better film with far better music. From that regard I maybe should have voted for Beauty and the Beast, but I don't like the idea of having so many animated films on the list at the cost of many other great musicals, and as such I only voted for one animated film, which at this point, I would be shocked if my pick appears this high up in the list.

Takoma11

11-01-24, 09:02 PM

I am one of what I assume are several Miss Vicky recruits to the Stingray Sam cult.. . . Anyway, weird, hidden little gem that's better than it has any right to be. It's only an hour of your time and the music alone is worth it.

McAbee has been on my radar since 2001's The American Astronaut (I think I watched this more around 2005? It was one of the first discs I got from Netflix), but it took my until this year to check out Stingray Sam (I think I was going to be really sad if it was bad so I just avoided it?).

Anyway, also highly recommend American Astronaut.

So Stingray Sam was on my ballot (possibly some recency bias but . . . wachagonnado?) and so was The Muppet Movie.

The Muppet Movie really hits what I wanted to have on my list: movies I really like as movies, but that I also love the songs. The Muppet Movie has all-time classic "The Rainbow Connection", but it also has "Moving Right Along", "Can You Picture That?", and one of the only slow musical songs I like, Gonzo's shockingly melancholy "I'm Going to Go Back There Someday".

MovieFan1988

11-01-24, 09:06 PM

I'm hoping that Beauty and the Beast will rank higher than The Lion King because I think it's a better film with far better music. From that regard I maybe should have voted for Beauty and the Beast, but I don't like the idea of having so many animated films on the list at the cost of many other great musicals, and as such I only voted for one animated film, which at this point, I would be shocked if my pick appears this high up in the list.

Beauty in the Beast should be at least at the top 20, It would be great if it was somewhere on the top 10, if it's this high up on the list then there's a problem :D

Holden Pike

11-01-24, 11:18 PM

https://youtu.be/78zyhs5j1yQ?si=WA9fWKilYwPD_E-w
https://youtu.be/CsyiMn6OPQA?si=HbocuqTnTMnB0_Yu

SpelingError

11-01-24, 11:28 PM

Haven't seen either film.

PHOENIX74

11-02-24, 01:23 AM

44. Oliver! (1968) - I do believe the first time I saw Oliver! was when my whole class went on a school excursion to the cinema to see a re-release - always delirious fun to be at the movies with all my school friends. If my memory isn't playing tricks, the whole projector and equipment broke down close to the end, and I had to wait until it was on television to see the final 5 minutes or so. Since then, I've probably seen Oliver! around 10 times, with the mix of absolutely terrific songs, great big bravura choreographed period dance sequences and classic Dickens story unbeatable as far as movies with rewatch appeal go. I still really love Oliver! to this day, even if as a teenager I was practically shamed by my peers for having it on video - there's nothing less cool and/or bad when you're a teen in the 80s, but these days I can proudly say that I'm a fan. I haven't really sat down and watched it in forever, but every time I see some of it on TV I stop for a few moments and watch. It's very well made. It was on my ballot, at lucky #13.

43. A Star is Born (2018) - I didn't catch this at the movies, but I did watch it shortly after it came out. It was good, I liked it, and I gave it 7/10 - writing on Letterboxd : "Slick, and Lady Gaga proves that she's full of surprises and very capable performing this kind of role. I'd say this version of A Star is Born doesn't disgrace itself, but I'd rank it below the 1954 version." Obviously MoFo doesn't agree with me as far as that goes, but I'm fine with it turning up around here. I've probably got it somewhere on DVD. Not on my ballot though.

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Seen : 37/58
I'd never even heard of : 10/58
Movies that had been on my radar, but I haven't seen yet : 11/58
Films from my list : 7

#44 - My #13 - Oliver! (1968)
#47 - My #14 - Hair (1979)
#59 - My #5 - Jesus Christ Superstar (1973)
#60 - My #23 - Annie (1982)
#72 - My #22 - Yellow Submarine (1968)
#92 - My #8 - Tommy (1975)
One-pointer - My #25 - Shock Treatment (1981)

KeyserCorleone

11-02-24, 02:02 AM

I just had too say #69; Waka Waka!
https://youtu.be/Z8uY79zQeak?si=O-Z7TTEEvuQ82qF1

Oh, and Oliver should have been on my list. Great movie!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxfbLXeCa5Y

MovieFan1988

11-02-24, 06:17 AM

iluv2viddyfilms - You know there's another animated musical that we forgot to mention that might make top 20 as well, Aladdin.

dadgumblah

11-02-24, 06:35 AM

Oliver! is another on the countdown I've yet to see, but will. I love Charles Dickens so I must.

I've seen A Star Is Born and really liked it. I was surprised by Gaga being so good in it. I like Bradley Cooper pretty well. Am a Sam Elliott fan. Was really surprised to see that Dice Clay could act so convincingly well as Gaga's dad. Glad to see it make it.

With no inclusions today, that makes it...

So far:
#1. On the Town #93 (list proper)
#6. Easter Parade #78 (list proper)
#10. Gigi #85 (list proper)
#12. Calamity Jane #84 (list proper)
#14. Seven Brides for Seven Brothers #71 (list proper)
#18. The Muppet Movie #45 (list proper)
#25. Neptune's Daughter (one-pointer)

iluv2viddyfilms

11-02-24, 08:00 AM

iluv2viddyfilms - You know there's another animated musical that we forgot to mention that might make top 20 as well, Aladdin.

That's true, it could. I just don't think it's quite as popular today, 30 years later as its contemporaries like Beauty and the Beast and The Lion King or even The Little Mermaid, so it will likely show up but I don't see it placing in the top 20, especially since The Little Mermaid showed up so early on this list. In order of "popularity" of the big four Disney renaissance musicals, I'd put them at 1. The Lion King, 2. The Little Mermaid, 3. Beauty and the Beast and 4. Aladdin. I don't really count Pocahontas because by that point people might have been getting Disney musical fatigue and also it didn't get near the critical or audience adoration that The Lion King received. What's interesting is looking at total number of ratings the films get on IMDB and The Lion King has nearly three times as many as any of those other four films I named.

I really think for a lot of people, when doing their lists, they'll likely go over the top 5 or 10 with a fine tooth comb and then start using "filler" picks down the list or remember Disney musicals they loved as a kid and because it meets the criteria then included it on their list. I'm not saying that in any derogatory way toward the contributors of this countdown, but more as a de-facto how we tend to operate when making lists. For instance in my 22nd pick it was a film that I hadn't seen in years that I "remembered it existed" and also that I liked it a lot and thinking how my list couldn't feel quite complete without a Bugsby Berkley musical, so I threw in 42nd Street. By the way, I just watched it again the other night and 42nd Street IS wonderful. But, what I am saying or at least trying to articulate is that in similar fashion to how I felt I need to include a film like 42nd Street, I imagine there are a lot of people who maybe felt they had to included a handful of favorite Disney musicals or couldn't think of a film they liked a lot better, so they just kind of fell into place.

An example is the Disney musical Unthawed, which had seven votes which is one fewer vote than A Star is Born (2018) received, yet it showed up 20 or more films prior so it didn't do nearly as well on the countdown as A Star is Born (2018) despite having one more vote, so likely the people who did vote for it, had it fairly far down their ballot.

Again, I got a dog in the fight when it comes to my animated musical film pick, but I don't know if it has chance in Hell... or Heaven for that matter, to make the countdown at this point, unless two or three people voted for it in their top 10 which IS possible.

cricket

11-02-24, 09:08 AM

Little Ash

11-02-24, 10:06 AM

Haven't seen the recent A Star is Born nor Oliver!
I just know the latter for clips of, "Please, sir, can I have some more?" And also for winning the Oscar BP for the year 2001 came out, for which 2001 wasn't even nominated. So one of those, "sight-unseen, Did the Oscars ever get it right?" years.

honeykid

11-02-24, 11:04 AM

Seen some of Oliver! but I don't think I've ever sat down to watch it? Maybe one wet Sunday afternoon or something. I know some of the songs, but I've no time for it.

I saw The Muppet Movie in my teens, I think? I've already talked about the Muppets, so you'll know that I didn't enjoy it.

Not seen any of the others.

MovieMeditation

11-02-24, 11:27 AM

I really like A Star is Born but I didn’t consider it for my list.

Haven’t seen Oliver.

Thursday Next

11-02-24, 02:34 PM

7lists89pointsAn American in Paris (https://www.movieforums.com/movies/2769-an-american-in-paris.html)Director
Vincente Minnelli, 1951

Starring
Gene Kelly, Leslie Caron, Oscar Levant, Georges Guétary

Thursday Next

11-02-24, 02:35 PM

7lists93pointsPink Floyd - The Wall (https://www.movieforums.com/movies/12104-pink-floydthe-wall.html)Director
Alan Parker, 1982

Starring
Bob Geldof, Christine Hargreaves, James Laurenson, Eleanor David

John W Constantine

11-02-24, 02:38 PM

Classical.

Hallucinogen.

Allaby

11-02-24, 02:40 PM

I liked An American in Paris, but didn't consider it for my ballot. I haven't seen Pink Floyd- The Wall.

Seen:58/60

Thursday Next

11-02-24, 02:43 PM

I only saw The Wall a couple of days ago and it's a controversial pick - it's more of an extended music video than a musical in that very, very little of the singing is actually on-screen. But the people have spoken so here it is. That aside, I thought there was a lot to admire about it but also some things about it I really didn't appreciate.

An American in Paris is a lot of very good dancing holding up a dubious storyline.

MovieMeditation

11-02-24, 03:01 PM

An American in Paris was okay as far as I remember, but it has disappeared from my memory almost completely.

Haven’t seen The Wall.

Miss Vicky

11-02-24, 03:16 PM

I’ve never seen either of these movies, though I certainly heard Pink Floyd’s album The Wall plenty of times when I was growing up.

Seen: 27/60

KeyserCorleone

11-02-24, 03:20 PM

I remember how excited I was to see the movie version of my favorite Pink Floyd song, Hey You, only to find it wasn't there. That pissed me off, partially because it's one of their biggest songs and had no reason to be cut. The surrealist stuff was pretty cool, but it's more of an art gallery than a movie.

Citizen Rules

11-02-24, 03:21 PM

No votes for me but I did enjoy this one thought the editing and placement of the last big musical number was odd...
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn-0.thefilmspectrum.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F06%2FAn-American-in-Paris.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=f39be88a9aaaa326b9d2a9fc2791f330c3258af4db489d76a062c64ba4cdd2c8&ipo=images
An American in Paris (1951)

This felt overly long with it's big ballet style musical number running 18 minutes placed at the very end of the film, right after the film's emotionally gut wrenching peak...Gene Kelly's character is in love with a young Parisian woman (Leslie Caron) who's engaged to another man. That musical number which in and of itself is a spectacular triumph, needed to come at the emotional high point with the pair realizing that they both love each other. It all comes down to choices in the editing room and I think it was the wrong choice not to insert that big number in the midway point of the film.

rating_3_5+

Citizen Rules

11-02-24, 03:23 PM

Also no votes for me as I only had musical-musicals on my ballot, still a great movie and I'm happy to see it make the countdown, I guarantee it's better than the Disney stuff what is yet to come:cool:

https://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=42111&stc=1&d=1519356208
Pink Floyd - The Wall (1982)

"A confined but troubled rock star descends into madness in the midst of his physical and social isolation from everyone."

This took me back...straight back to the early 1980s and the album release of Pink Floyd's opus, The Wall. It was odd how the movie immobilized me, I scarcely moved a muscle for the duration...But why? Was it the movie? Was it the images? No...it was the music. It was the songs that I've heard a hundred times before that made me remember what was...and what isn't, anymore.

The Wall, I know what this story is about, it's about all the hurt we feel from the day we first enter into this world and it's about the injustices we suffer. Each one of those painful instances is a brick that we must carry. And when we have a cart load of bricks, we build a wall to layer ourselves away.

Most of us have our own personal walls and I can see them too in others. I can see them in averted glances. I can see them in the defensiveness and deflections that people put up as barriers. I can even see walls through the blocks of text that appear on discussion boards where a pseudo world of connection without any real connection exist. We all have our walls.

Maybe that's why Pink Floyd's album The Wall has remained my favorite work of music.

I remember the first time I heard the The Wall. I was in high school and I had a car, a cool one too, I had drove over to my friends house to pick him up for school. Just as we were about to leave, a neighborhood kid came over, who for all the world looked like a young Pete Townsend...He was like this rocker kid who was really into music. He pulls this cassette out of his pocket like it was a switch blade and says, 'man, you guys got to check this out.' ...We had like 20 minutes to get to school but the house was empty as the parents were gone. So we kicked back and said screw school and listened to The Wall twice through on the big stereo with the volume cranked on high. I don't know why but I can remember that morning like it was yesterday and yet it was decades ago.

So flash back to now, and I watched The Wall for the first time in like 35 years. I had went to the theater when the movie first came out and had seen it a couple more times in my youth during the 1980s. I always thought it was special. After all these years the music still resonated with me and I did enjoy watching it, but my youthful viewpoint had changed about the film. I set and watched all the credits role by on the screen at the end of the film and I never usually do that...it was like years slipping through my hands.

rating_5

iluv2viddyfilms

11-02-24, 03:30 PM

An American in Paris is #41?

#41?!?!

Wow. Just wow.

OK, that'll take some unpacking.

I didn't figure it would make the top 10, but figured it would be a shoe-in for at least the top 25. I'll have to gather my thoughts and write more later.

In the meantime, for those who haven't seen American in Paris, which from the fact that only seven people voted for it I imagine that's a high number, here's part of the ballet dream sequence, or what I could find of it on youtube. Which, by the way, of the big four ballet dream sequences in Gene Kelly musicals: On the Town, The Pirate, An American in Paris, and Singin' in the Rain, I think the best of them is from An American in Paris...

Number 41 huh? OK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRF12ZvJftY&list=PLbRrsk4VQ0jMK3xmrTxnzi7ugfozosBIA

iluv2viddyfilms

11-02-24, 03:41 PM

No votes for me but I did enjoy this one thought the editing and placement of the last big musical number was odd...

That was the ballet sequence I posted, well of what I could find of it in youtube. It runs for 15 minutes or just over I think.

I would argue the placement of that is perfect within the story of the film and the Gene Kelly's and Leslie Caron's characters' relationship in that film and the dilemma at the end and in that exact moment the disappointment and absolutely heartbreak that Kelly's character is facing where he has no other option but to retreat into his mind and dream/fantasy sequence where everything plays out.

Not only do I think it's a perfect moment in the film and a brilliant way to end the film, which of course La La Land paid open homage to, but the American in Paris ballet sequence taken within the context of the entire film and everything building up to that point, is not only one of the single greatest 15 minutes in musicals, but it's one of the greatest 15 minutes in all of film. Period.

iluv2viddyfilms

11-02-24, 03:45 PM

John W Constantine

11-02-24, 03:51 PM

I’ve never seen either of these movies, though I certainly heard Pink Floyd’s album The Wall plenty of times when I was growing up.

Seen: 27/60
I don't know if it all works but it's definitely an interesting experience.

seanc

11-02-24, 03:54 PM

I was very pleasantly surprised when I watched American In Paris going through BP winners a couple years back. I know, or maybe thought, this one wasn’t very well thought of in Kelly’s filmography. I loved it. I thought the sets were great, and to no one’s surprise the choreography is amazing. Had it at 14.

I think Pink Floyd’s music is fine but never had much interest in The Wall. Maybe its spot on the list will change that eventually.

The list that continues to shock. Placement really is all over the map. Most subjective genre?

Citizen Rules

11-02-24, 04:02 PM

That was the ballet sequence I posted, well of what I could find of it in youtube. It runs for 15 minutes or just over I think.

I would argue the placement of that is perfect within the story of the film and the Gene Kelly's and Leslie Caron's characters' relationship in that film and the dilemma at the end and in that exact moment the disappointment and absolutely heartbreak that Kelly's character is facing where he has no other option but to retreat into his mind and dream/fantasy sequence where everything plays out.

Not only do I think it's a perfect moment in the film and a brilliant way to end the film, which of course La La Land paid open homage to, but the American in Paris ballet sequence taken within the context of the entire film and everything building up to that point, is not only one of the single greatest 15 minutes in musicals, but it's one of the greatest 15 minutes in all of film. Period.There's an intellectual argument for the placement of the ballet number at the end of the movie, as you just said. But for me the emotional placement was wrong as it erased the emotional impact of the resolution between the two leads. But I know why the ballet was placed at the end, it was so that the film ended on a more upbeat note. Film makers knew audiences didn't want an unhappy ending. It's the same thing that happens with the ending of Thelma and Louise...to keep the film from being to down beat, the last images are of happy photos of Thelma and Louise. I've noticed a lot of movies do this back in the day and more recently too.

Citizen Rules

11-02-24, 04:05 PM

Also in AFI's list of top musicals, which for some unknown reason to me, only included a top 25 instead of their top 100, An American in Paris was listed at number nine. And for years and years among cinephiles I think there was debate over which was THE Gene Kelly musical and of course it went back and forth between An American in Paris and Singin' in the Rain.

https://www.afi.com/afis-100-years-of-musicals/Yeah that list should be a Top 100, why didn't do that? But what the hell The Umbrellas of Cherbourg isn't even on the list.

MovieFan1988

11-02-24, 04:32 PM

Also in AFI's list of top musicals, which for some unknown reason to me, only included a top 25 instead of their top 100, An American in Paris was listed at number nine. And for years and years among cinephiles I think there was debate over which was THE Gene Kelly musical and of course it went back and forth between An American in Paris and Singin' in the Rain.

https://www.afi.com/afis-100-years-of-musicals/

So, this must mean anything can happened then, who knows maybe another movie that we thought would be top 10 comes in soon. Please let it be Singin in the Rain, of course it won't be but it will change this list completely if it comes in soon or at least off the top 10. Kubrick needs to stay off top 10 for once :D:D

Thief

11-02-24, 05:18 PM

Count me among those surprised to see An American in Paris come up this early. I thought it was a delightful musical with an interesting story. I think Gene Kelly and Leslie Caron were great together, and the musical numbers and dances were gorgeous. I had it at #7.

I'm a fan of Pink Floyd, but I've never seen The Wall. Should probably rectify that.

SEEN: 17/60
MY BALLOT: 6/25

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2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7. An American in Paris (#42)
8.
9.
10.
11.
12. Inside Llewyn Davis (#53)
13. Moana (#68)
14.
15.
16.
17. Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (#66)
18.
19.
20.
21. The Band Wagon (#80)
22.
23.
24.
25. Hallelujah (One-pointer)

Thief

11-02-24, 05:20 PM

Probably my favorite musical number from An American in Paris...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzeuwJJ5hP4

cricket

11-02-24, 05:26 PM

I'm thinking that if I had seen The Wall more recently, I would probably come to the conclusion that it didn't fit my definition of a musical. There's a couple of others like that.

I've seen An American in Paris. I couldn't have liked it too much because it wasn't on my contenders list and I referenced all of my past ratings.

5. Charlotte's Web (#79)
7. Stingray Sam (#46)
10. The Lure (#51)
14. A Star is Born (#43)
17. Calamity Jane (#84)
20. Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (#66)
21. A Star is Born 1954 (#67)
23. Pink Floyd - The Wall (#41)
25. 42nd Street (#76)

WHITBISSELL!

11-02-24, 05:51 PM

Added 3 to my "have seen it" list with Alice in Wonderland my #20. Leaving The Wall off my ballot is easily my biggest oversight so far. I never even thought of it.

I've told this story before but it might bear repeating. I first watched The Wall in a small room off a bowling alley at Tooele Army Depot in Utah. The building was sort of an all purpose activities center for the base. But it was such a small installation that there was no secured gate at the time. Anyway, about seven of us were in this small room with a projector and several cans of film. We had to keep getting up and changing the reels. Two of the people were this (very) young soldier and his "date", who looked old enough to be his mother or maybe even grandmother. They spent the whole movie enthusiastically making out with each other. The rest of us mostly concentrated on Pink Floyd while trying to ignore the make out session. I still don't know which was trippier.

Have watched 16 of 60 with 7 so far on my ballot.

The Wall
The Muppet Movie
Alice in Wonderland (#20)
Inside Llewyn Davis (#8)
Corpse Bride (#24)
The Jungle Book
Duck Soup
O Brother, Where Art Thou?
Yellow Submarine
Purple Rain (my #9)
White Christmas
The Burden
Gigi (#17)
Tommy (#15)
Amadeus
Cinderella (#5)

Thief

11-02-24, 05:58 PM

Stats: Pit Stop #6
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ab/00/de/ab00de6eddd4a2bfc0e0e80a9c63f67c.gif

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Now that we've hit the sixth pit stop (40), here are some stats:

Decade Breakdown

1920s = 0
1930s = 5
1940s = 2
1950s = 12
1960s = 5
1970s = 6
1980s = 8
1990s = 4
2000s = 6
2010s = 10
2020s = 2

The 1950s keep rolling as they nab three (3) entries in this last batch to take command, with 12 entries total. The 2010s continue close behind with 10, grabbing one in this batch.

Recurring Directors

Vincente Minnelli = 2
Milos Forman = 2
John Musker & Ron Clements = 2
Stanley Donen = 2
Vincente Minnelli = 2
Tim Burton = 2
Coen Brothers = 2

Three new additions to the list, starting with the duo of John Musker/Ron Clements (The Little Mermaid and Moana), then Milos Forman (Hair and Amadeus), and finishing today with Vincente Minnelli (An American in Paris and The Band Wagon). Who of these seven will keep on racking entries? Who else will join the list?

The Little Mermaid rounds out the animation list to 10.

SpelingError

11-02-24, 06:19 PM

Seen and liked both, but neither made my ballot.

mrblond

11-02-24, 06:27 PM

#41. Pink Floyd - The Wall (1982) was my #2.

The Wall album been on my players ever since school times. I saw the movie in theatre in 1990 (I remember that) and I've seen it several more times on television or VHS since then.
I was also so happy to see the Wall Live mighty show in 2013 during the Roger Waters' three-year grand tour around the world.
Alan Parker is a cult director for me. I'm glad, after he took a place in the Neo-Noir List, one of his works is here too, though I've hoped The Wall can be in Top 20.

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My Ballot
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2. Pink Floyd - The Wall (1982) [#41]
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5. Everyone Says I Love You (1996) [#73]
6.
7. Monty Python's The Meaning of Life (1983) [#99]
8.
9. Amadeus (1984) [#97]
10. Hair (1979) [#47]
11.
12. Jesus Christ Superstar (1973) [#59]
13.
14. The Muppet Movie (1979) [#45]
15.
16. Rocketman (2019) [#91]
17.
18. Oliver! (1968) [#44]
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25. The Gypsy Camp Vanishes Into the Blue (1975) [one pointer]

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