The 13TH Hall of Fame

[Citizen Rules]

Sorry Cosmic, I didn't really like Wings of Desire. I think it was too artsy for simple me. But still a good nom and I believe it's on some of the MoFo list, so I got to cross that one off as watched.:p

It was my #11

[Miss Vicky]

One thing that really surprised me was how many people didn't place their own nomination at #1. I think that affected the outcome quite a bit.

[Camo]

I'm honestly surprised that Wings of Desire did better (if only slightly haha) than The Marriage of Maria Braun. On my final ballot my nomination ended up at 5, but when I was still settling on an order, it was more in the 8-11 zone. The middle of my list switched around a lot. I ended up ranking it higher because the cinematography really was beautiful, and I am just a sucker for pretty images haha.

Your review of Wings of Desire was my favourite in this HOF. Oddly i've never got the impression that you really love your nominations including Wings of Desire but i always like your reasons why you think something is a great film.

[Miss Vicky]

8th Place

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Nightmare Alley
(Edmund Goulding, 1947)
Nominated By: Citizen Rules
Score: 98 points

[Miss Vicky]

Progressive Rankings
(Voter #7 added)


1. Manchester By the Sea
2. Dances With Wolves
3. Buffalo '66
4. The Great Dictator
5. The Broken Circle Breakdown
6. Nightmare Alley
7. Wings of Desire
8. The Marriage of Maria Braun
9. Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring
10. Captain Fantastic
11. Forbidden Games
12. The Quiet Earth
13. Dead Poets Society
14. The Three Musketeers

http://www.angelfire.com/music6/walteregan/13thHOF/13th_HOF_07.jpg

[Camo]

That sounded not like i meant it to haha. I constantly use 'really' as a descriptor for very or alot or whatever, that makes it sound like i'm saying i don't think you like your own nom and that's not what i meant. I meant that i didn't think that you loved it from it, like one of your very favourite films.

[Miss Vicky]

I didn't love Nightmare Alley, but it was pretty solid. I had it at 8.

[Camo]

Nightmare Alley was my #4 and was #1 out of films i hadn't seen before this Hall of Fame. It's still my favourite Citizen nomination!

[Citizen Rules]

I nominated Nightmare Alley as I wanted a lesser known 1940s film. I didn't expect it to do all that well.

I voted it at #6...Still as long as some members got something out of it, then I'm happy with the choice.

[Camo]

I nominated Nightmare Alley as I wanted a lesser known 1940s film. I didn't expect it to do all that well.

I voted it at #6...Still as long as some members got something out of it, then I'm happy with the choice.

Had your nom higher than you :cool:

[Citizen Rules]

Nightmare Alley was my #4 and was #1 out of films i hadn't seen before this Hall of Fame. It's still my favourite Citizen nomination! That means I need to try harder next time!

[Miss Vicky]

7th Place

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Dead Poets Society
(Peter Weir, 1989)
Nominated By: Sarge
Score: 100 points

[Miss Vicky]

Progressive Rankings
(Voter #8 added)


1. Manchester By the Sea
2. Dances With Wolves
3. Buffalo '66
4. The Broken Circle Breakdown
5. The Great Dictator
6. Nightmare Alley
7. The Marriage of Maria Braun
8. Captain Fantastic
9. Wings of Desire
10. Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring
11. Forbidden Games
12. Dead Poets Society
13. The Quiet Earth
14. The Three Musketeers

http://www.angelfire.com/music6/walteregan/13thHOF/13th_HOF_08.jpg

[Jeff Costello]

Quite a small difference between last four films in terms of total points . Also it looks like " Dead Poets Society" made a huge climb upwards during the late voting period.

[CosmicRunaway]

Your review of Wings of Desire was my favourite in this HOF. Oddly i've never got the impression that you really love your nominations including Wings of Desire but i always like your reasons why you think something is a great film.
I really love certain elements of the films I've nominated, but they're not favourites, no. I think I tend to be more critical of my own nominations, and I try to rank them fairly (as if someone else had nominated it).

I'm glad you liked my write-up for Wings of Desire. I really enjoyed writing it, and I like writing that way about films in general. I just don't always have the motivation to do so haha.

[Miss Vicky]

I had some fairly mixed feelings on Dead Poets. It ended up at #10 on my ballot.

[CosmicRunaway]

I had Nightmare Alley at 8, and Dead Poets Society at 11. Dead Poets was one of those films that just jumped around a lot on my list. I was very indecisive this HoF haha.

[Camo]

Dead Poet's was 12/14 for me. It's fine but i think it would have meant alot more to me when i was 14.

[Camo]

Great job so far MV, definitely going back and repping all of your posts :up: thanks

[Miss Vicky]

6th Place

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Captain Fantastic
(Matt Ross, 2016)
Nominated By: Pussy Galore
Score: 104 points

[Miss Vicky]

Progressive Rankings
(Voter #9 added)


1. Manchester By the Sea
2. The Great Dictator
3. Dances With Wolves
4. The Broken Circle Breakdown
5. Buffalo '66
6. Nightmare Alley
7. Wings of Desire
8. The Marriage of Maria Braun
9. Captain Fantastic
10. Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring
11. Forbidden Games
12. The Quiet Earth
13. Dead Poets Society
14. The Three Musketeers

http://www.angelfire.com/music6/walteregan/13thHOF/13th_HOF_09.jpg

[Miss Vicky]

Captain Fantastic was my #7.

[Camo]

Had that last sorry PG. Not my sort of thing but i really liked how it was the portrayal of a lifestyle you want to lead that made that film so personal to you.

[Citizen Rules]

I didn't like Dead Poets Society, I didn't connect with the films message as many people do and that's the main reason why it didn't work for me..that and I don't like Robin Williams as an actor.

I just realized that all the #positions on my voting list that I was posting, was from my old list when there was 16 movies.

Dead Poets Society was #14 on my old list but on the revised list, it was #12

[CosmicRunaway]

Captain Fantastic was #3 on my list. It just really resonated well with me, even if the ending was overly sappy.

[Miss Vicky]

5th Place

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Buffalo '66
(Vincent Gallo, 1998)
Nominated By: Camo
Score: 113 points

[Miss Vicky]

Progressive Rankings
(Voter #10 added)


1. Manchester By the Sea
2. The Great Dictator
3. Dances With Wolves
4. The Broken Circle Breakdown
5. Buffalo '66
6. Nightmare Alley
7. Captain Fantastic
8. The Marriage of Maria Braun
9. Wings of Desire
10. Dead Poets Society
11. Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring
12. Forbidden Games
13. The Quiet Earth
14. The Three Musketeers

http://www.angelfire.com/music6/walteregan/13thHOF/13th_HOF_10.jpg

[Jeff Costello]

I think Manchester has this on lock.

[Miss Vicky]

I had Buffalo '66 at #6, which is probably more a reflection of my opinion of the films below it than of the film itself. It was okay, but definitely not a favorite from this HOF.

Though Cricket's review of it was my favorite post in this thread.

[Camo]

Thought it would have fell alot more than that. As you know i said constantly i get that some will hate it, so glad that Citizen really liked it as much as he did :up:

Reminds me of gbg having "Spider" #1 on her shorts list :eek:

[Camo]

I think Manchester has this on lock.

Dances With Wolves, Manchester is second.

[Camo]

I had Buffalo '66 at #6, which is probably more a reflection of my opinion of the films below it than of the film itself. It was okay, but definitely not a favorite from this HOF.

Though Cricket's review of it was my favorite post in this thread.

I thought you had it 8th for some reason.

[Citizen Rules]

Buffalo 66 was my all time favorite Camo nom! Very cool film, I really loved it and it would have been my number 1 had it not been for another amazing movie in this Hof. It was my #2


Captain Fantastic...#8/14

[Miss Vicky]

I thought you had it 8th for some reason.

I did, but The Hunt and Flesh + Blood got disqualified, so it ultimately was #6.

[CosmicRunaway]

I actually mentioned Buffalo '66 to someone last weekend. At a family BBQ, where a lot of people I normally don't see showed up, I discovered that my cousin has been in a long term (20+ years) relationship with the co-creator and writer for this Canadian horror comedy tv series I'd heard a lot about. He happened to be at the BBQ as well, and we talked for awhile about filmmaking and cinematography. I specifically mentioned the editing of that scene where everyone is having a conversation around the dinning room table.

So while this film was really low on my list at 13, it's something that's definitely stuck with me. It just wasn't my cup of tea.

[Miss Vicky]

4th Place

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The Great Dictator
(Charlie Chaplin, 1940)
Nominated By: SilentVamp
Score: 134 points

[Camo]

I actually mentioned Buffalo '66 to someone last weekend. At a family BBQ, where a lot of people I normally don't see showed up, I discovered that my cousin has been in a long term (20+ years) relationship with the co-creator and writer for this Canadian horror comedy tv series I'd heard a lot about. He happened to be at the BBQ as well, and we talked for awhile about filmmaking and cinematography. I specifically mentioned the editing of that scene where everyone is having a conversation around the dinning room table.

So while this film was really low on my list at 13, it's something that's definitely stuck with me. It just wasn't my cup of tea.

Well it was actually 15/16 :coleman:

The 13/14 trick doesn't soften the blow to the former host :D

Nah, totally get it as i said. Just surprised there wasn't more than you, Ed and Raul i think that actually disliked it.

[Miss Vicky]

Progressive Rankings
(Voter #11 added)


1. Manchester By the Sea
2. Dances With Wolves
3. The Great Dictator
4. The Broken Circle Breakdown
5. Buffalo '66
6. Captain Fantastic
7. The Marriage of Maria Braun
8. Wings of Desire
9. Nightmare Alley
10. Dead Poets Society
11. Forbidden Games
12. Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring
13. The Quiet Earth
14. The Three Musketeers

http://www.angelfire.com/music6/walteregan/13thHOF/13th_HOF_11.jpg

[Camo]

I had The Great Dictator at #9. I've also closed my tab with my list in it several times without thinking :facepalm:

[Miss Vicky]

I'm not much for Chaplin and I didn't find it funny, but I thought this was very well made. I had it at #4.

[CosmicRunaway]

The Great Dictator is one of my favourite Chaplin films. Actually, it probably is my favourite. I'd have to rewatch a couple others to make sure though. With The Hunt disqualified, that put Chaplin at #1 on my ballot. I was a little worried when it didn't seem too high on those early spreadsheets, but it's nice to see it do well overall. :up:

[Camo]

I think my mum would have had this first for the speech. Of course my mum's a badass that wouldn't have to watch any films to send a list.

[Miss Vicky]

3rd Place

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The Broken Circle Breakdown
(Felix Van Groeningen, 2012)
Nominated By: ScarletLion
Score: 136 points

[Miss Vicky]

Progressive Rankings
(Voter #12 added)


1. Manchester By the Sea
2. Dances With Wolves
3. The Great Dictator
4. The Broken Circle Breakdown
5. Buffalo '66
6. Captain Fantastic
7. The Marriage of Maria Braun
8. Dead Poets Society
9. Nightmare Alley
10. Wings of Desire
11. Forbidden Games
12. Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring
13. The Quiet Earth
14. The Three Musketeers

http://www.angelfire.com/music6/walteregan/13thHOF/13th_HOF_12.jpg

[Miss Vicky]

I really enjoyed this one. Heartbreaking story, great music. :up:

I had it at #2.

[Camo]

Had it 11th. Think i like it alot less thinking back on it but it resonated alot with me due to personal experiences and even if it was a bit messy it was clearly heartfelt.

[Citizen Rules]

The Great Dictator...might not be the funnest film I've watched but I think it was one of the most important films that I've ever seen...and that meant a lot to me. I'm so glad it was nominated as I have never seen it.

The end speech by Chaplin was such a heartfelt plead for sanity, and at a time when the world was poised on self destruction, his speech gave me a window back in time.

I had it at #4

[CosmicRunaway]

I half expected to dislike Broken Circle Breakdown, based solely on the images I'd seen from other reviews and that the style of music played a huge part of the film. But surprisingly I really enjoyed it, and I was emotionally invested from start to finish. There may have been a few tears. (There definitely was.) It was #4 on my list. It might've switched places with Captain Fantastic if the music was different though haha.

[Citizen Rules]

I didn't like The Broken Circle Breakdown at all, it was second to last on my list.

[Miss Vicky]

2nd Place

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Manchester By the Sea
(Kenneth Lonergan, 2016)
Nominated By: rauldc14
Score: 147 points

[Miss Vicky]

Progressive Rankings
(Voter #13 added)


1. Manchester By the Sea
2. Dances With Wolves
3. The Broken Circle Breakdown
4. The Great Dictator
5. Buffalo '66
6. Captain Fantastic
7. The Marriage of Maria Braun
8. Dead Poets Society
9. Wings of Desire
10. Nightmare Alley
11. Forbidden Games
12. Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring
13. The Three Musketeers
14. The Quiet Earth

http://www.angelfire.com/music6/walteregan/13thHOF/13th_HOF_13.jpg

[Camo]

What's first? :rotfl:

Why did you not do them together?

[Citizen Rules]

I didn't like The Broken Circle Breakdown at all, it was second to last on my list. Ha, my avatar makes my reaction to that movie seem all the more severe:p

[Miss Vicky]

1st Place

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Dances With Wolves
(Kevin Costner, 1990)
Nominated By: Miss Vicky
Score: 148 points

[Miss Vicky]

Final Rankings
(Voter #14 added)


1. Dances With Wolves (148 points)
2. Manchester By the Sea (147 points)
3. The Broken Circle Breakdown (136 points)
4. The Great Dictator (134 points)
5. Buffalo '66 (113 points)
6. Captain Fantastic (104 points)
7. Dead Poets Society (100 points)
8. Nightmare Alley (98 points)
9. Wings of Desire (95 points)
10. The Marriage of Maria Braun (95 points)
11. Forbidden Games (94 points)
12. Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring (76 points)
13. The Three Musketeers (72 points)
14. The Quiet Earth (58 points)

http://www.angelfire.com/music6/walteregan/13thHOF/13th_HOF_14.jpg

[Citizen Rules]

Second place, Raul will be disappoint. I though for sure his movie was going to win. Awesome nom, I liked it way more than I had expected, it was my #3

[Camo]

Ha, my avatar makes my reaction to that movie seem all the more severe:p

I think your criticisms of that film were my least favourite of the HOF.

Really liked all of your other ones whether you liked the film or not but i wasn't a fan of judging people for wearing tattoo's in the sense that you were. Just since you brought it up again haha.

[Miss Vicky]

I was surprised by how much I enjoyed Manchester, given my dislike of Casey Affleck. I had it at #3. Dances With Wolves, of course, was my #1.

[Camo]

Congrats MV, deserved since you did an excellent job :)

[Citizen Rules]

Congrats Miss Vicky! Really cool presentation, giving the start time in advance for the presentation was a big plus!

This might be one of the first times that my first place vote was for the movie that actually won. Loved Dances With Wolves It deserves to win:up:

[Miss Vicky]

When I first took over as host, I was adding the ballots to the spreadsheet as they came in. However as it became clear that The Hunt and Flesh + Blood were going to be eliminated, I stopped updating it. At that point, there were ten voters and Dances With Wolves was in third with Manchester ahead of it by a pretty decent lead.

I was really shocked that Dances ultimately won, especially by only one point.

[CosmicRunaway]

Manchester by the Sea was #7 on my list. It was a very solid film, but there was just too much competition for my affection this HoF. Both my room mate and I thought it was pretty funny, and nowhere near as depressing as we had been lead to believe.

I remember commenting to my room mate that the location was like a much fancier, less terrible* version of here. The part where Lee mentions not wanting to go to his hometown because people still talk about his tragedy really resonated with our hometowns as well. We both found the similarities incredibly amusing for some reason.
*-That was not the word I used.

[Camo]

My list, the numbers are how many points each nom got from me coz Miss Vicky thinks i can't count (:D)

01. Buffalo 66 (14)
02. Spring, Summer (13)
03. Manchester By The Sea (12)
04. Nightmare Alley (11)
05. Wings of Desire (10)
06. Dances With Wolves (9)
07. The Marriage of Maria Braun (8)
08. Forbidden Games (7)
09. The Great Dictator (6)
10. The Three Musketeers (5)
11. The Broken Circle Breakdown (4)
12. Dead Poets Society (3)
13. The Quiet Earth (2)
14. Captain Fantastic (1)

[CosmicRunaway]

I do not regret watching the extended edition of Dances with Wolves at all. It was a really great experience. It was number 2 on my list. This is what my final ballot looked like:

DQ. The Hunt
01. The Great Dictator
02. Dances With Wolves
03. Captain Fantastic
04. The Broken Circle Breakdown
05. Wings of Desire
06. The Marriage of Maria Braun
07. Manchester By The Sea
08. Nightmare Alley
09. Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter...and Spring
10. The Quiet Earth
11. Dead Poets Society
12. The Three Musketeers
DQ. Flesh+Blood
13. Buffalo '66
14. Forbidden Games

Great job with the presentation, MV! Thanks to both you and Camo for hosting this HoF. :up:

[Citizen Rules]

Here's my original list with all the 16 noms.

1 Dances With Wolves
2 Buffalo '66
3 Manchester By The Sea
4 The Great Dictator
5 Nightmare Alley
6 The Hunt...disqualified
7 Forbidden Games
8 The Three Musketeers
9 Captain Fantastic
10 The Marriage of Maria Braun
11 Wings of Desire
12 The Quiet Earth
13 Flesh and Blood...disqualified
14 Dead Poets Society
15 The Broken Circle Breakdown
16 Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter and Spring

[Camo]

I do not regret watching the extended edition of Dances with Wolves at all.

Same. Doubt i'd have watched it otherwise since the shorter version is fine.

[Miss Vicky]

My ballot:

1. Dances With Wolves
2. The Broken Circle Breakdown
3. The Hunt
3. Manchester By the Sea
5. Flesh + Blood
4. The Great Dictator
5. The Marriage of Maria Braun
6. Buffalo '66
7. Captain Fantastic
8. Nightmare Alley
9. The Quiet Earth
10. Dead Poets Society
11. Forbidden Games
12. The Three Musketeers
13. Wings of Desire
14. Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring

[Miss Vicky]

And now I haven't the slightest idea what to nominate for the next one.

[Camo]

And now I haven't the slightest idea what to nominate for the next one.

Not Dances With Wolves or Her. So here's a helpful chart to get you started:

Possibilities:

Her
Dances With Wolves

Every Other FIlm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIIuR-HjFho

[Joel]

Not surprised The Quiet Earth was last. I guess people see something in it, that I didn't....I had it at #12

I'm not surprise, either, but not because I didn't like it because I did..a lot. I've heard friends complain about the ending quite a bit. I can agree..but you don;t throw away a cadillac for a dent in the fender. :p

[seanc]

Love seeing Dances With Wolves win this. Dances and Shawshank have now won HOF. Score for us normies.

[cricket]

Congrats Vic, Wolves is a deserving winner and I'm glad I finally saw it. Also thanks for finishing what that mess couldn't finish!

1. The Broken Circle Breakdown
2. The Hunt
3. The Marriage of Maria Braun
4. Dances with Wolves
5. The Great Dictator
6. Buffalo 66
7. Dead Poet's Society
8. Nightmare Alley
9. Manchester By The Sea
10. Captain Fantastic
11. The Quiet Earth
12. Forbidden Games
13. Wings of Desire
14. The Three Musketeers
15. Flesh + Blood
16. Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter, and Spring

Next!

[rauldc14]

Meh, I'm pretty disappointed that Dances With Wolves won. I mean, it's ok, but I really wanted Manchester to take this home, more than any other nom I have put up.

[Camo]

Meh, I'm pretty disappointed that Dances With Wolves won. I mean, it's ok, but I really wanted Manchester to take this home, more than any other nom I have put up.

Didn't you initially think it was going to do bad since it was so new? It finished second man, you did great.

It was my #3. Buffalo '66 was the best film nominated according to my calculations.

[Camo]

I'm not surprise, either, but not because I didn't like it because I did..a lot. I've heard friends complain about the ending quite a bit. I can agree..but you don;t throw away a cadillac for a dent in the fender. :p

What did you find great about it? Just wondering because Clazor who nominated it only popped out at the end and i was never really clear why he liked it so much.

[Camo]

6. Buffalo 66


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couldn't find a happy gif of him for that coz he's always miserable and everything you said about him is true.

[Citizen Rules]

Joel, have you seen any of the other movies in this Hof? If so how would you rank them compared to The Quiet Earth?

There's another post apocalyptic film with a last man on Earth, and a woman, and eventually another man: The World, The Flesh and The Devil (1959) have you seen that one? I thought it was well done...and it's very similar to The Quiet Earth, except for the multi reality thing.

[Joel]

Joel, have you seen any of the other movies in this Hof? If so how would you rank them compared to The Quiet Earth?

There's another post apocalyptic film with a last man on Earth, and a woman, and eventually another man: The World, The Flesh and The Devil (1959) have you seen that one? I thought it was well done...and it's very similar to The Quiet Earth, except for the multi reality thing.

Yes, I have seen some these films. I don't wanna hog up tons of real estate with my thoughts since I'm not part of this tournament but when I'm not mobile I wouldn't mind dropping a couple lines on a few. Count me in for HOF 14. This looks like just the arena for me to get closer to some of the forum and have real discussions. Thanks!

[Joel]

Joel, have you seen any of the other movies in this Hof? If so how would you rank them compared to The Quiet Earth?

There's another post apocalyptic film with a last man on Earth, and a woman, and eventually another man: The World, The Flesh and The Devil (1959) have you seen that one?

I have not seen it. I need to hang with you more here. Ill admit to only being familiar with films from around 1966 up to now but if you recommend em and think I can handle them, I'll oblige.

[Citizen Rules]

...Count me in for HOF 14. This looks like just the arena for me to get closer to some of the forum and have real discussions. Thanks!
Very cool that you can join:up:...I'm glad I asked you. It should be fun too!
I think I have my nom picked out, unless I change me mind before the Hof starts:p

[edarsenal]

Meh, I'm pretty disappointed that Dances With Wolves won. I mean, it's ok, but I really wanted Manchester to take this home, more than any other nom I have put up.

you can put the blame on me. Since my high rating of Wolves #4 and Manchester #8 put it over by that one point. Sorry, Raul.

CONGRATS to Miss Vicky for #1 and KUDOS for pitch hitting for Camo.
Thoroughly enjoyed peeking behind the curtain and seeing how things changed as the votes came in.
REALLY enjoyed that.


My List:

01. The Broken Circle Breakdown (14) As emotional as this was, I thoroughly enjoyed this the most. And that says A LOT since I'm at time in my life where I truly dislike sad endings.
02. The Great Dictator (13) It's Chaplin, I'm gonna rate it high :)
03. The Three Musketeers (12) purely self interest :D
04. Dances With Wolves (11)
05. Dead Poets Society (10)
06. Forbidden Games (9)
07. Nightmare Alley (8)
08. Manchester By the Sea (7)
09. Captain Fantastic (6) #4 through #9 were basically equal in enjoyment, really and no matter how I stacked him, no way in hell I'd be happy with the outcome
10. Wings of Desire (5)
11. Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter… and Spring (4)
12. The Marriage of Maria Braun (3)
13. The Quiet Earth (2) same with this group. But they didn't hold my enjoyment throughout as the group above them for what ever minor reason.
14. Buffalo ’66 (1) Like so many others, one of my favorite reviews (for this --rant) was cricket's eloquent hatred of Gallo. VERY funny.
And it would be easy to join in and say this was why for me. But I can't.
It was the character its self. And quite honestly, I don't think anyone else could have brought out THE reaction, (I am assuming from what little I knew, back then, about Gallo) that he was aiming for. So, like I said, can't put in on the actor. He did EXACTLY what he was looking to do, in spades.
The character was some thing I grew to despise as the movie proceeded. Exacerbated each time he had a sobbing breakdown. And since he was, pretty much, in every single scene. . .

Also. The reason for stating this, besides not going into it when I reviewed it and answering any question before its asked about its placement, is this:
There are quite a number of folks here I love and respect. One of that number, is Camo.
And speaking honestly and not bullsh!tting or blowing smoke is how I express that respect. And, hopefully, he understands that for what it is, and even more so, it is how he would wish it.

[Joel]

...Count me in for HOF 14. This looks like just the arena for me to get closer to some of the forum and have real discussions. Thanks!
Very cool that you can join:up:...I'm glad I asked you. It should be fun too!
I think I have my nom picked out, unless I change me mind before the Hof starts:p

Yes sir, I appreciate the invite! I thought of my nom, too. But still some time to reconsider.

[edarsenal]

WELCOME to the HoFs, Joel!!
It IS an excellent spot to get know others and get into discussions about the movies in them. I hope you enjoy yourself!

[Joel]

Thanks, man! Looking forward to talking some shop...

[Camo]

Yeah, doubt i'm joining the next one but glad you are getting involved Joel.

[Camo]

One of that number, is Camo.
And speaking honestly and not bullsh!tting or blowing smoke is how I express that respect. And, hopefully, he understands that for what it is, and even more so, it is how he would wish it. [/COLOR]

Of course. And usually i'd be debating your problems but i said as much constantly and i agree with Cricket about Gallo, i expected to despise the film because i really hate Gallo; just so happens that i think he at least had a hand in creating something pretty great with Buffalo '66. His character is completely detestable which is why it works for me as i disliked Gallo before i saw a second of his performance, liking a character doesn't really matter to me as long as i get some sort of reaction to them and i did think i could empathize with his character in the end. The film was surreal so i never felt anything he did was actually real even though it was supposed to be, his dream-death scene felt no different from the rest of the film; i could easily accept a story of Ricci stabbing him dead at the start and the rest of the film being a last second fever dream of an imagined adventure with Ricci.

Completely understand that you and a few others didn't feel this way about the film and there's no need to feel sorry about it, some you're going to like, some you aren't; just glad you gave it a shot.

[rauldc14]

Just a reminder I will start the thread for HOF 14 on Thursday!

[Nestorio_Miklos]

Thank you, this was a great HOF and vicky and camo took a good care of it.. i fell asleep last night and missed all fun. This is my ranking list. :)

01. Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter… and Spring (14)
02. Manchester By The Sea (13)
03. Buffalo '66 (12)
04. Forbidden Games (11)
05. Wings of Desire (10)
06. The Broken Circle Breakdown (9)
07. The Quiet Earth (8)
08. Dances With Wolves (7)
09. Captain Fantastic (6)
10. The Marriage of Maria Braun (5)
11. Nightmare Alley (4)
12. Dead Poet's Society (3)
13. The Great Dictator (2)
14. The Three Musketeers (1)

congrats to vicky for the first place and raul for the second. Quite surprising anyways

[Sarge]

Great effort guys. Really enjoyed that and it helped me to watch some good films that I wouldn't have otherwise watched. Loved hearing your thoughts on each film (even if I didn't agree). I don't take my nomination position personally. Film is subjective and where it finishes in a HoF doesn't change my appreciation of it.
Watching 'Dances' as and adult was superb. A really excellent film and deserved winner, but I could have made a case for 5 or 6 to win.

Camo and Miss Vicky - Thanks for all of your effort. Massive. 👍

Well done everyone, I already have my choice for the next one :D

[edarsenal]

Of course. And usually i'd be debating your problems but i said as much constantly and i agree with Cricket about Gallo, i expected to despise the film because i really hate Gallo; just so happens that i think he at least had a hand in creating something pretty great with Buffalo '66. His character is completely detestable which is why it works for me as i disliked Gallo before i saw a second of his performance, liking a character doesn't really matter to me as long as i get some sort of reaction to them and i did think i could empathize with his character in the end. The film was surreal so i never felt anything he did was actually real even though it was supposed to be, his dream-death scene felt no different from the rest of the film; i could easily accept a story of Ricci stabbing him dead at the start and the rest of the film being a last second fever dream of an imagined adventure with Ricci.

Completely understand that you and a few others didn't feel this way about the film and there's no need to feel sorry about it, some you're going to like, some you aren't; just glad you gave it a shot.

much appreciated and I do remember seeing an interview with Gallo back in the day and how he preferred if someone reacted strongly against the character otherwise he didn't do what he set out to do with the character. So I completely agree with that.
And normally, like you, it isn't important on how I feel about the leading character on whether I enjoy a movie or not. Which is a shame in this case, because it caused me me miss out on a lot things I know for a fact I would have enjoyed: The layers of each meeting, especially the parents and dinner, the bowling alley, many of the conversations on the phone with his buddy, and so on.
So that's on me. And yes, I AM glad I had the opportunity to rewatch it all these years later. I had been VERY curious to see how I would feel about it since first seeing it when it first came out in the theaters. So, thank you for that.

And yeah, that's part of the excitement of these HoFs. Trying what you normally wouldn't. Some ya like, some ya don't. Which is why I don't mind my nom being at the bottom of the pile. It's all good.

[Citizen Rules]

You know I expected to hate Buffalo 66, after I read the mini synopsis on IMDB:


After being released from prison, Billy is set to visit his parents with his wife, whom he does not actually have. This provokes Billy to act out, as he kidnaps a girl and forces her to act as his wife for the visit. As soon as I realized it was a dark comedy, then the personality of what would have been a creepy ex con kidnapping a girl...became enjoyable for me, as I didn't take what I was seeing seriously.

I did feel bad for the kidnapped girl, but only for a few minutes. Then her nonchalant reaction to Galo made it seem OK to me that she was kidnapped, she didn't seem to care either so I didn't respond like it was a real kidnapping.

If she had played the role as a traumatized victim, then I might have felt differently about the movie. But she actually liked Galo, and in the end she was just as messed up as he was. So my positive response to Galo's character was in part do to Christina Ricci reacting positively towards Galo.

Anyway that's the only explanation I have for really liking this film, which I had expected not to like.

I thought it was a fresh & unique indie film, with an unlikable (but very human) protagonist. Come to think of it, it was Galo's very realistic qualities that I liked the most.

[edarsenal]

I enjoyed Ricci's acting the first time and this time. She was an excellent counter-balance to Gallo.

[Pussy Galore]

Here's my list, I enjoyed 13 out of the 14 films I watched which is quite a fantastic ratio.

01. Dead Poet's Society (14)
02. Captain Fantastic (13)
03. Dances with Wolves (12)
04. Forbidden Games (11) (very surprising it's this high considering I hated it the first time I watched it)
05. The Broken Circle Breakdown (10)
06. Manchester By The Sea (9)
07. The Marriage of Maria Braun (8)
08. Wings of Desire (7)
09. The Great Dictator (6)
10. The Quiet Earth (5)
11. Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter...And Spring (4)
12. The Three Musketeers (3)
13. Nightmare Alley (2)
14. Buffalo '66 (1)

[ScarletLion]

Great job everyone. Nice HOF. Found some great films and pretty much agreed with the final list too.

[edarsenal]

04. Forbidden Games (11) (very surprising it's this high considering I hated it the first time I watched it)
I EDIT: (I mean WAS not wasn't) VERY surprised by how much I enjoyed this one as well. Caught me pleasantly by surprise

[Jeff Costello]

Neat HoF indeed ! It was a bit dissapointing to see the film I placed at #1 ranked so poorly in the overall standings. But hey, this was a collective film watching after all and it was to be expected that the opinions on nominations would be quite diverse. Either way I got a chance to see a couple of films that I wouldn't normally give a chance to and meanwhile I discovered a few favourites. That's pretty much what I hoped this tournament would achieve for me.

[Citizen Rules]

Neat HoF indeed ! It was a bit dissapointing to see the film I placed at #1 ranked so poorly in the overall standings.... Which film was it?

[Jeff Costello]

Which film was it?

The Three Musketeers.

[Citizen Rules]

The Three Musketeers. You're in good company MarkF is fond of that movie.

The way I like to look at the Hofs is like a beauty contest. No matter how beautiful a girl is in a beauty contest, they all can't win! and somebody has to score lowest. :)

[Jeff Costello]

You're in good company MarkF is fond of that movie.

The way I like to look at the Hofs is like a beauty contest. No matter how beautiful a girl is in a beauty contest, they all can't win! and somebody has to score lowest. :)

Haha, that's a nice analogy.

[edarsenal]

You're in good company MarkF is fond of that movie.

The way I like to look at the Hofs is like a beauty contest. No matter how beautiful a girl is in a beauty contest, they all can't win! and somebody has to score lowest. :)
I like that - very lovely thought

and THANK YOU Jeff for putting Three Musketeers at #1. No matter where I place, even at the bottom or d@mn near if someone enjoys it, that will do just fine ;)

[Sarge]

This was me

01. Dances with Wolves (14)
02. Dead Poets Society (13)
03. Manchester by the Sea (12)
04. The Broken Circle Breakdown (11)
05. Buffalo 66 (10)
06. Captain Fantastic (9)
07. The Great Dictator (8)
08. The Marriage of Maria Braun (7)
09. Forbidden Games (6)
10. Nightmare Alley (5)
11. Wings of Desire (4)
12. Spring, Summer, Autumn, Winter and Spring (3)
13. The Three Musketeers (2)
14. Quiet Earth (1)

[SilentVamp]

I know I am coming in late with this (I am a little slow with catching up with everything at the moment), but this was my list:

1. Dead Poets Society
2. The Great Dictator
3. Dances With Wolves
4. Buffalo '66
5. Manchester By the Sea
6. The Hunt
7. Captain Fantastic
8. The Marriage of Maria Braun
9. The Broken Circle Breakdown
10. The Three Musketeers
11. Wings of Desire
12. Nightmare Alley
13. Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter
14. Forbidden Games
15. The Quiet Earth
16. Flesh and Blood


It is a shame that The Hunt was disqualified because I really liked that one. And I couldn't care less that Flesh and Blood was, but it cost me money to watch it. So that is what upsets me the most about having wasted the time watching it.

[rauldc14]

As I said previously, Hall of Fame 14 thread starts tomorrow! Yee haw!

[edarsenal]

SWEET
I had one nom originally, and now I'm on the fence about it. But I WILL have one

[Yam12]

Cool

I'm thinking of joining one of these and I already have a nomination in mind

[neiba]

So, just writing this to say i'm sorry to everyone involved in this, especially Miss Vicky who finished this. I should hv said smthing when I disappeared and I didn't.
I read that Camo went away, I'm sorry about that, he was a great poster.

Don't worry, I won't join a HoF soon, till I'm not 100% sure I can do it...
And congrats to Dances with Wolves and Miss Vicky, great movie! :)

[Camo]

So, just writing this to say i'm sorry to everyone involved in this, especially Miss Vicky who finished this. I should hv said smthing when I disappeared and I didn't.
I read that Camo went away, I'm sorry about that, he was a great poster.

Don't worry, I won't join a HoF soon, till I'm not 100% sure I can do it...
And congrats to Dances with Wolves and Miss Vicky, great movie! :)

I'm here dawg ;). Glad to see you back. That's the first you haven't finished out of 20 or something so i don't think anyone is sore about it.

[neiba]

I'm here dawg ;). Glad to see you back. That's the first you haven't finished out of 20 or something so i don't think anyone is sore about it.

Then I'm sorry to you too! :)

Thanks dude, glad you're back too! :)

[Miss Vicky]

Glad to see you back. I wasn't angry about you not finishing, more disappointed that I had to disqualify The Hunt and concerned about you.

[cricket]

Yea Neiba, you've been so good for so long that we were just worried about you. Glad you're ok:)

[Citizen Rules]

Neiba welcome back:) Glad to see you posting...and no worries about dropping out. You had a great nom BTW in The Hunt.

[edarsenal]

WELCOME BACK, neiba!!
I echo what everyone else has said. More worried that you were okay and no worries that you needed to go. :)