Quote of the Day [Archive]

Django

03-31-03, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by Yoda

Huh? She said nothing to imply that her ideals are naive. In fact, I'd venture to say she's as far removed from naive as just about anyone here. I don't think you realize just how condescending the above paragraph is. Perhaps you forget that, though naivete is bad, so is pessimism to the point of paranoia in regards to one's leaders.

Her ideals are high and noble, indeed, and I'm proud to call them my own as well. FYI: if it seems like I'm targetting you for disagreement, it's because you routinely say things I disagree with.
Okay, Yoda, you have said a number of things above that are flat-out untrue. a) I am being not at all condescending in my statements above. All I'm trying to do is point out that noble though Caitlyn's ideals are, she might be unaware of just how low politicians can sink in manipulating idealism to their advantage. b) I am in no way being pessimistic or paranoid. On the contrary, I am one of the most optimistic and realistic people I know. I'm just being very, very skeptical about the motives behind the current administration. Given what I know about George W. Bush and his comrades, you would have to do a lot (and I do mean a lot) to convince me that he is acting out of idealistic concerns himself. I'm glad that you have high and noble ideals too. I, too, believe in freedom and democracy. And I love those ideals. However, there is no way that I would allow myself to be manipulated by cynical, ruthless, mercenary politicians like those in the current administration. Yoda, if you are so supportive of the Bush administration, I wonder what you would have said about the Nixon administration! Would you have silenced critics of the Nixon administration the same way that you refute everything I say?

Yoda

03-31-03, 01:37 AM

a) I am being not at all condescending in my statements above. All I'm trying to do is point out that noble though Caitlyn's ideals are, she might be unaware of just how low politicians can sink in manipulating idealism to their advantage.
...yes, I know that's what you're trying to point out. That's condescending. She'd have to be remarkably sheltered to be unaware of the fact that politicans are at times very self-interested.

Given what I know about George W. Bush and his comrades
Your unsubtle jab would be clever if Bush has exhibited even minor communistic tendencies. However, he hasn't.

you would have to do a lot (and I do mean a lot) to convince me that he is acting out of idealistic concerns himself
I wouldn't bother to try much. You will not be convinced.

However, there is no way that I would allow myself to be manipulated by cynical, ruthless, mercenary politicians like those in the current administration.
There you go again: those who support Bush are being "manipulated." In other words, he's fooling us. Again, condescending. I doubt you do it conciously. But you do do it...make no mistake about that.

Yoda, if you are so supportive of the Bush administration, I wonder what you would have said about the Nixon administration! Would you have silenced critics of the Nixon administration the same way that you refute everything I say?

Why would you wonder about that? The two are completely different. What you're saying is "you're defending a politican. I wonder if that means you would defend this other politican!" The answer: no. The question: silly.

Yoda

03-31-03, 01:43 AM

I'd also add that I can't see any real link between what you're ranting about and the quote Caitlyn posted. Powell's words were not just eloquent, but completely valid. Yet your response insinuates disagreement.

It's as if you feel the need to add a "but" to every pro-American statement.

nebbit

03-31-03, 01:48 AM

'My Nerves could do use a drink'

Grace Kelly: To Catch a Thief:)

nebbit

03-31-03, 01:50 AM

Sorry, It is.

'My Nerves could use a drink': :D

Django

03-31-03, 02:07 AM

Originally posted by Yoda

...yes, I know that's what you're trying to point out. That's condescending. She'd have to be remarkably sheltered to be unaware of the fact that politicans are at times very self-interested.
I didn't in the least imply that Caitlyn has led a sheltered life. All I'm saying is that sometimes politicians can be very expert at concealing their true motives behind a show of patriotism and idealism. It can be so convincing as to fool even the most hardened skeptic, sometimes. I'm just trying to point out that anyone can be taken in by the hollow rhetoric and advertising--even the best of us (more often than not).

Originally posted by Yoda

Your unsubtle jab would be clever if Bush has exhibited even minor communistic tendencies. However, he hasn't.

Now what do I say to that! :rolleyes: LOL! Communistic tendencies??? Do you think I'd be comparing Bush to Nixon if I believed he exhibited communistic tendencies? Perhaps it was just a poor choice of words on my part. Should I use "crew"? "colleagues"? "party"? You tell me!

Originally posted by Yoda

I wouldn't bother to try much. You will not be convinced.
Try me!

Originally posted by Yoda

There you go again: those who support Bush are being "manipulated." In other words, he's fooling us. Again, condescending. I doubt you do it conciously. But you do do it...make no mistake about that.
Well... yeah. I do think the Bushies are being seriously manipulated. But I don't think it's condescending on my part to point that out. Actually, in the wake of 9/11, it's very understandable. Perhaps that's why it takes a guy like me--someone external to the American cultural milieu in my origins--to point out just how manipulative the administration can be!

Originally posted by Yoda

Why would you wonder about that? The two are completely different. What you're saying is "you're defending a politican. I wonder if that means you would defend this other politican!" The answer: no. The question: silly.
I would argue that Dubya carries with him the legacy of the Nixon administration. The two are very, very similar! I was trying to draw an analogy between the two politicians. What I was trying to say was that you are so supportive of the current Bush administration, suggesting that I am paranoid and pessimistic to be critical of its policies, what would you have said were I to be voicing a similar criticism of the policies of the Nixon (or Johnson) administration, esp. pertaining to the Vietnam War?

Django

03-31-03, 02:12 AM

Originally posted by Yoda
I'd also add that I can't see any real link between what you're ranting about and the quote Caitlyn posted. Powell's words were not just eloquent, but completely valid. Yet your response insinuates disagreement.

It's as if you feel the need to add a "but" to every pro-American statement.
a) I'm not ranting
b) Look a little more closely and you'll see the link
c) Powell's words were admirable, but, in the context of the current war, they are more than a little ironic and tragic
d) My response insinuates skepticism regarding the idealism voiced by Powell--not that I believe Powell to be less than admirable, but with respect to the administration as a whole and, in particular, President Bush.
e) My intention is, in no way, to contradict every pro-American statement! If you read through my posts, you will find that I have made numerous pro-American posts myself. It seems to me that you are insinuating that I am anti-American--that's just plain ludicrous. My purpose is to voice my deep skepticism with respect to the policies of the current administration. That's all.

Django

03-31-03, 02:13 AM

Originally posted by nebbit
'My Nerves could do use a drink'

Grace Kelly: To Catch a Thief:)

You said it, man! :yup:

r3port3r66

03-31-03, 02:18 AM

"When you argue with a fool, remember he is doing the same."

--Chinese Proverb

Django

03-31-03, 02:23 AM

Okay, what're you implying here? :mad:

r3port3r66

03-31-03, 02:33 AM

What?! It's my "Quote of the Day". After all that is the title of this thread isn't it? Of course, your being angry means I may have touched a nerve. Sorry.

Django

03-31-03, 02:51 AM

A very strategically place "quote of the day". If you are suggesting that my words are foolish, then explain yourself!

Caitlyn

03-31-03, 02:54 AM

Originally posted by Django

a) I am being not at all condescending in my statements above. All I'm trying to do is point out that noble though Caitlyn's ideals are, she might be unaware of just how low politicians can sink in manipulating idealism to their advantage.

Django… let me set you straight on something… I am half Tsalagi… if you don’t know what that is… look it up and then come back here and tell me if there is any possible way I could be naïve enough not to know how low some politicians can sink…

Powell's words were admirable, but, in the context of the current war, they are more than a little ironic and tragic.

There are many things I could say to you… but my Enisi taught me never to scalp an unarmed opponent…

BTW... r66, I like your quote... :D

r3port3r66

03-31-03, 03:06 AM

Django please...that is not what the quote means.

Django

03-31-03, 03:07 AM

Well, Caitlyn, I would think you would be in a position to appreciate my sentiments all the more! How in God's name could you possibly support the belligerent policies of the current administration?

Django

03-31-03, 03:11 AM

Originally posted by r3port3r66
Django please...that is not what the quote means.
Well, maybe I'm just not smart enough to understand what it means! Maybe you could do me the favor of explaining what, exactly, it means! :confused: :indifferent:

Caitlyn

03-31-03, 03:21 AM

Originally posted by Django
Well, Caitlyn, I would think you would be in a position to appreciate my sentiments all the more! How in God's name could you possibly support the belligerent policies of the current administration?

And I would ask you why you would deny the people of Iraq the same thing you apparently came to America in search of…

r3port3r66

03-31-03, 03:28 AM

If you're not smart enough to figure it out, then what would be the use of me explaining it to you?

You know, I think your views are much needed. I can see a lot of what you're saying. But Yoda's views are just as important and I think he represents his position very well too. Now if you go back and forth long enough with each other, you end up doing nobody any good and your leadership gets lost among your voices. Therefore it is sort of foolish to argue among yourselves for so long when your messages are clearly meant for different masses.

Also, you kind of scare me. You seem to get angry very quickly.

Django

03-31-03, 03:29 AM

Originally posted by Caitlyn

And I would ask you why you would deny the people of Iraq the same thing you apparently came to America in search of…
With all due respect, Caitlyn, that's a gross oversimplification of the situation!

Django

03-31-03, 03:35 AM

Originally posted by r3port3r66
If you're not smart enough to figure it out, then what would be the use of me explaining it to you?

You know, I think your views are much needed. I agree with a lot of what you say. But Yoda's views are just as important and I think he represents his position very well too. Now if you go back and forth long enough with each other, you end up doing nobody any good and your leadership gets lost among your voices. Therefore it is sort of foolish to argue among yourselves for so long when your messages are clearly meant for different masses.

Also, you kind of scare me. You seem to get angry very quickly.
Hey, those are words that Yoda needs to hear, not me! I've been trying to avoid argument all this while. I finally decided to take on Yoda's gauntlet after he has been slapping me in the face with it for quite awhile. Also, I didn't mean to scare you! I guess I just got a little touchy after debating with the esteemed Yoda and his profound intellect! Sorry! :D

Caitlyn

03-31-03, 03:35 AM

Originally posted by Django

With all due respect, Caitlyn, that's a gross oversimplification of the situation!

No… it’s not a gross oversimplification of the situation… it’s a simple question…

Django

03-31-03, 03:42 AM

Caitlyn, you're talking about ideals, I'm referring to politics. Not the same thing at all. Like I said above, politicians use ideals and idealism to justify their agenda. Their agenda is seldom what they would want you to believe. It's a complex issue and I, sadly, don't have the time to go into it in depth right now, but I hope I have got the point across.

Caitlyn

03-31-03, 03:47 AM

Originally posted by Django
Caitlyn, you're talking about ideals, I'm referring to politics. Not the same thing at all. Like I said above, politicians use ideals and idealism to justify their agenda. Their agenda is seldom what they would want you to believe. It's a complex issue and I, sadly, don't have the time to go into it in depth right now, but I hope I have got the point across.

All I did was ask you a simple question but I am not at all surprised that you don’t have the time nor the inclination to answer it...

nebbit

03-31-03, 04:09 AM

"Let there be dancing in the streets, drinking in the saloons, and necking in the parlor.

Groucho Marx : A night at the Opera.:)

Django

03-31-03, 04:29 AM

Originally posted by Caitlyn

All I did was ask you a simple question but I am not at all surprised that you don’t have the time nor the inclination to answer it...
Ah, Caitlyn, Caitlyn! It's not that I don't have the time or inclination! It's just that a message board is just not the place for that kind of a discussion. If you ever drop by San Francisco, I'd be glad to take you out for a drink or dinner and explain it to you in depth, but it just wouldn't be the same on a message board! :)

nebbit

03-31-03, 04:33 AM

Now my nerves really need a drink:yup:

Django

03-31-03, 05:26 AM

:modest: ;D

nebbit

03-31-03, 06:21 AM

So now does anyone have a quote of the day please.:rolleyes:

Yoda

03-31-03, 09:45 AM

1 - I maintain that it was condescending. You'd have to be hopelessly naive, or hopelessly immature, to not realize the things you say she "perhaps" does not realize.

2 - I find it a little hard to believe you don't know that "comrade" was the friend synonym of choice for communists and is often used as a slight in situations like these.

3 - If you want to argue about the war, post in one of the war threads again and you'll be met with much debate. But this thread serves another purpose.

4 - If you can't see how claiming that everyone who disagrees with you is just being fooled and manipulated is condescending, then there's no way I'll be able to explain it to you.

5 - Dubya does not carry Nixon's "legacy" in any way whatsoever. They're not similar, either. That's patently ridiculous and merely repeating it does not constitute a genuine "link."

Austruck

03-31-03, 09:50 AM

Well, now I'm certainly glad I started this thread.... :rolleyes:

Yoda

03-31-03, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by Django
Ah, Caitlyn, Caitlyn! It's not that I don't have the time or inclination! It's just that a message board is just not the place for that kind of a discussion.
"Fear not those who argue but those who dodge."
-- Dale Carnegie

Originally posted by Django
If you ever drop by San Francisco, I'd be glad to take you out for a drink or dinner and explain it to you in depth, but it just wouldn't be the same on a message board! :)
"Arguing is really saying, "If you were really more like me, then I could like you better.'"
-- Wayne Dyer

Caitlyn

03-31-03, 12:26 PM

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." ~ John Stuart Mill

r3port3r66

03-31-03, 12:58 PM

"What distinguishes war, is not that man is slain, but that he is slain, spoiled, crushed by the cruelty, the injustice, the treachery, the murderous hand of man."
--William Ellery Channing

"A bad peace is even worse than war"
--Tacitus

Steve

03-31-03, 02:22 PM

I'm sorry I missed the Django-Caitlyn conflict here earlier, as I have disagreements with both of them & it would be interesting to watch them go at each others' throats. But I digress.

Originally posted by Yoda
5 - Dubya does not carry Nixon's "legacy" in any way whatsoever. They're not similar, either. That's patently ridiculous and merely repeating it does not constitute a genuine "link."

I like that even though you have firm allegiances to your party, you still recognize a tool when you see one. Nixon sucked, Nixon the movie sucked, and Henry Kissinger isn't in Bush's cabinet. Which makes me agree with you, 100%. Hooray.

Now, enough foreplay:

Fiat justitia - ruat caelum. "Let justice be done, though heaven falls."

Yoda

03-31-03, 07:45 PM

*can't resist entering another float in the quote parade*

"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
-- GK Chesterton

(former signature of mine.)

Django

03-31-03, 09:22 PM

I'm sorry, but I disagree with all of you. In my opinion, NOTHING justifies war--not "moral decay" or any of the other high-sounding rhetorical sound-bites you are flinging at me. Basically, it's easy enough for us to justify war when we are comfortably cushioned in our suburban homes far, far away from the war and watching it all on TV like some bad action movie. Dubya is out of is bloomin' mind, is all I can say. He is playing with human lives as if they were chess pieces and he is so obviously using the war against Iraq for his own personal political ends, it isn't funny. Again, it's easy enough to voice ideals and patriotic rhetoric to justify and rationalize a totally unjustified war when you are far away from the war itself--not so easy when you are in the thick of it, witnessing human brutality--the ugliness of war--firsthand. And believe me, it doesn't get much uglier than war, however "justifiable" that war may be or however expertly you may rationalize it. Sorry you folks disagree with me, but you obviously do not know what you are talking about! :yup:

Yoda

03-31-03, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by Django
I'm sorry, but I disagree with all of you. In my opinion, NOTHING justifies war
Please tell me you're not advocating utter pacifism.

Originally posted by Django
Basically, it's easy enough for us to justify war when we are comfortably cushioned in our suburban homes far, far away from the war and watching it all on TV like some bad action movie.
Not half as easy as preaching peace at all costs when YOU don't have a brutal dictator with a penchant for dipping your friends in acid living next door.

When you're dealing with a mass-murderer, more people die under peace than war. Why can't you understand that? It's simple logic.

Originally posted by Django
Sorry you folks disagree with me, but you obviously do not know what you are talking about! :yup:
Nope, no condescenion there.

r3port3r66

03-31-03, 09:33 PM

My quotes are from people who haved lived and learned through war, making them wise enough for me to interpret their findings.

Django, you can't stop the consequences from happening now. It's too late. Please, take your passion and figure out how you can use that to mold the future. It's much too late to argue about things that are already in progress.

Django

03-31-03, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by Yoda

Please tell me you're not advocating utter pacifism.

No, I'm not advocating utter pacifism. War is, sometimes, a necessary evil, but nothing justifies war. You may rationalize the war you are fighting how you wish--every side does--but, in the end, nothing really justifies war.

Originally posted by Yoda

Not half as easy as preaching peace at all costs when YOU don't have a brutal dictator with a penchant for dipping your friends in acid living next door.
Oh, give me a break! :rolleyes: "Living next door"? Like where? On the opposite side of the globe?

Originally posted by Yoda

When you're dealing with a mass-murderer, more people die under peace than war. Why can't you understand that? It's simple logic..
No, it's not simple logic. It's more hollow rhetoric.

Originally posted by Yoda

Nope, no condescenion there.
No condescension from me, at least! I am never condescending towards anybody. However, I look around me right now and I see a WHOLE lot of people being condescending towards ME! So, please, no more of this garbage accusing me of condescension! I can only take so much of it!

Django

03-31-03, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by r3port3r66
My quotes are from people who haved lived and learned through war, making them wise enough for me to interpret their findings.
Oh, really? But have you actually fought in a war yourself? Or, for that matter, have any of the people you are quoting actually fought in war themselves? It's one thing to live through a war, in the sense that other people fight the war while you sit back and enjoy the show. It's a very different thing to be in Baghdad right now with shells falling all around you, while you happen to be just another innocent civilian caught in the crossfire--just another statistic, another casualty of war. Then you turn on the TV and you see politicians in a distant land speaking in a foreign language blandly justifying and rationalizing the war you are currently in, after which, they return to their comfortable homes in their comfortable limousines and carry on with their comfortable lives, while the entire city you used to call home has been torn to the ground in an attempt, supposedly, to liberate you from your oppressive government which, apparently, happens to constitute a threat to the stability of the civilized world. PLEASE try quoting your quotes to the people who are actually INVOLVED in this war--the citizens of Iraq, the allied soldiers, the journalists covering the war, the relatives of MIA soldiers, etc. Your words are wasted on the likes of me! It doesn't really affect me in the least--no more than it does any of you!

Originally posted by r3port3r66

Django, you can't stop the consequences from happening now. It's too late. Please, take your passion and figure out how you can use that to mold the future. It's much too late to argue about things that are already in progress.
Well, all I can say is that I did my best! So it didn't make much of a difference, perhaps. But at least I followed my conscience. Some day, perhaps, George W. Bush will be called upon to answer to his conscience. I would be interested in hearing his side of the story when the time comes. That's all I have to say on this issue.

By the way, if you happen to be a fan of George W. Bush, do check out this link: http://www.whitehouse.org/administration/georgew.asp! That's especially for those of you so convinced about Bush's high moral idealism, etc. (Of course, this is intended to be tongue-in-cheek, so I hope I don't get lambasted by the hard-core Republicans in here!)

Otherwise, take it easy! :D

Yoda

03-31-03, 10:07 PM

No, I'm not advocating utter pacifism. War is, sometimes, a necessary evil, but nothing justifies war. You may rationalize the war you are fighting how you wish--every side does--but, in the end, nothing really justifies war.
You're contradicting yourself. By definition, if it cannot be justified, then it's not really necessary.

"Living next door"? Like where? On the opposite side of the globe?
You're misunderstanding. You live in a country of peace and freedom. The Iraqi people do not. You say it's easy for us to sit and justify the war. I say it's easy for you to justify standing idle, because you're not the one being oppressed.

No, it's not simple logic. It's more hollow rhetoric.
Pot, kettle, black, etc. Cait asked you a direct question, you danced around it. I've asked you for evidence in the past, and you've failed to provide it. Your excuse of a lack of time doesn't appear to hold water, either.

I am never condescending towards anybody.
"Sorry you folks disagree with me, but you obviously do not know what you are talking about!"

Austruck

03-31-03, 10:11 PM

Ahhh, as I said before, I'm so glad I started this thread. :rolleyes:

When I said "Quote of the Day," I didn't mean for everyone to start quoting EACH OTHER.

Sheesh.

sunfrog

03-31-03, 10:16 PM

http://www.whitehouse.org/administration/images/georgew3.jpg

Don't leave Django! I love you! :love: :love:
Why Bush sucks part 2 (http://www.dalycitygreens.org/impeachbush.html)

Django

03-31-03, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by Yoda

You're contradicting yourself. By definition, if it cannot be justified, then it's not really necessary.
Oh, wow! You got me there! I'm sorry! Of course, you're right, as usual! :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Yoda

You're misunderstanding. You live in a country of peace and freedom. The Iraqi people do not. You say it's easy for us to sit and justify the war. I say it's easy for you to justify standing idle, because you're not the one being oppressed.
It's easier for you to justify bombing the crap out of a country in a so-called attempt to liberate it from oppression, it seems!

Originally posted by Yoda

Pot, kettle, black, etc. Cait asked you a direct question, you danced around it. I've asked you for evidence in the past, and you've failed to provide it. Your excuse of a lack of time doesn't appear to hold water, either.
Believe me, I have more important things to do than dance around the issues. Like I told Caitlyn, it's too complex to go into on a message board.

Originally posted by Yoda

"Sorry you folks disagree with me, but you obviously do not know what you are talking about!"
That's not being condescending, it's being frank. I'm sorry if I touched a nerve! :laugh:

Django

03-31-03, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by sunfrog
http://www.whitehouse.org/administration/images/georgew3.jpg

Don't leave Django! I love you! :love: :love:
Why Bush sucks part 2 (http://www.dalycitygreens.org/impeachbush.html)

"Preemptive Impeachment"! LOL! :laugh: I like that!

Incidentally, I was going to post that picture of Bush myself! Brilliant expression! :laugh:

sunfrog

03-31-03, 10:38 PM

...yes, I know that's what you're trying to point out. That's condescending. She'd have to be remarkably sheltered to be unaware of the fact that politicans are at times very self-interested.

Why Yoda, everything out of my mouth is a conspiracy theory you know that. Politicians are never self-interested. Is there a sarcasm smiley? Where's your proof they're self-interested Yoda? Where? Where?

Austruck

03-31-03, 10:49 PM

Ummm ... I think I'll unsubscribe from my own thread now...

(skulking off without even being noticed)..... :skeptical:

Yoda

03-31-03, 10:51 PM

It's easier for you to justify bombing the crap out of a country in a so-called attempt to liberate it from oppression, it seems!
Uh, there's really no doubt over the fact that the Iraqi people will, in fact, be liberated. My statement stands.

Believe me, I have more important things to do than dance around the issues. Like I told Caitlyn, it's too complex to go into on a message board.
There is no logical reason why you cannot make your case on a message board. There is nothing you cannot say here that you CAN say in real life. Furthermore, if it's too complex to get into, why did you get into it?

That's not being condescending, it's being frank. I'm sorry if I touched a nerve!
Just because it's frank, it doesn't mean it's also not condescending. You seem to have it in your head that, if you believe something honestly, it's therefore okay. This simply isn't the case. You speak with tremendous condescension. There's really no way around it.

Yoda

03-31-03, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by sunfrog
Why Yoda, everything out of my mouth is a conspiracy theory you know that. Politicians are never self-interested. Is there a sarcasm smiley? Where's your proof they're self-interested Yoda? Where? Where?
Uh, it lies in the fact that every human on the face of the Earth is largely self-interested.

Either you are purposely withholding real arguments, or you are simply uinformed and incapable of giving any real reason for your beliefs. Either way, you're only hurting your own cause with each post.

Django

03-31-03, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by Austruck
Ummm ... I think I'll unsubscribe from my own thread now...

(skulking off without even being noticed)..... :skeptical:

Austruck, please don't go! We owe this thread to you and your remarkably insightful quote!

Django

03-31-03, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by Yoda

Uh, there's really no doubt over the fact that the Iraqi people will, in fact, be liberated. My statement stands.
If your statement still stands, it's standing on one leg and kind of limping and hobbling about, I'm sorry to say! :D

Originally posted by Yoda

There is no logical reason why you cannot make your case on a message board. There is nothing you cannot say here that you CAN say in real life. Furthermore, if it's too complex to get into, why did you get into it?
Like I SAID, I'm too BUSY to get into it right now! Comprendez?

Originally posted by Yoda

Just because it's frank, it doesn't mean it's also not condescending. You seem to have it in your head that, if you believe something honestly, it's therefore okay. This simply isn't the case. You speak with tremendous condescension. There's really no way around it.
No, it's frank without being condescending. That's all, folks. I have to run. Ciao!

Yoda

03-31-03, 11:04 PM

If your statement still stands, it's standing on one leg and kind of limping and hobbling about, I'm sorry to say! :D
How? You've done nothing to even TRY to refute it. You've basically just said "yeah right!"

Like I SAID, I'm too BUSY to get into it right now! Comprendez?
So which is it? First you're too busy, then it's too complicated to get into on a message board, and then you're too busy again. However, you were not too busy to post six times in this thread alone during the last hour and a half. Funny how you have time to do everything except reply to the pointed questions.

No, it's frank without being condescending. That's all, folks. I have to run. Ciao!
I hope someone gets you a Dictionary for Christmas. Ciao, indeed.

Django

03-31-03, 11:31 PM

How's this for Nixon vs. Bush?

"I am not a crook"

Django

03-31-03, 11:34 PM

"I am not a crook?"

Django

03-31-03, 11:35 PM

Or how about this?

"I am not a crook!"

Yoda

03-31-03, 11:40 PM

So which is it? First you're too busy, then it's too complicated to get into on a message board, and then you're too busy again. However, you were not too busy to post six times in this thread alone during the last hour and a half. Funny how you have time to do everything except reply to the pointed questions.

r3port3r66

03-31-03, 11:45 PM

My goodness Django, I think you're just being too defensive. If you re-read my first quote on the previous page--

"What distinguishes war, is not that man is slain, but that he is slain, spoiled, crushed by the cruelty, the injustice, the treachery, the murderous hand of man."
--William Ellery Channing

--you would see that this statement represents, to me, a protest of war. I think this statement by William Channing means; The real atrocity of of battle is not that men are killed, but that men are killing men. It's an anti-war statement.
So, I don't even think you're taking the time to actually read the posts or the quotes. You just see a quote, skim over it and automatically assume it's pro-war.

I'm starting to suspect that there are personal reasons for your protests. We have to face it pal; Your voice, my voice, they don't matter anymore--we are at war!

But personally, If Yoda is a rep for those taking the opposite view, I'm glad to listen and learn from him. You shouldn't assume that just because people support the President that they're happy lives are being lost. Show Yoda a little more respect than that. The man is as passionate as you are, and he has brains to boot. Besides, I know some people who support the war that aren't as restrained as Yoda. Heck, he's shown great restraint while debating with you. It's you that seem overly heated about something that's already happened, and you have no control over.
So again, I think there are issues that are more personal to you about this war than you are revealing to us, or else you, like the rest of us who think this conflict in Iraq could have been resolved another way, would be thinking about how we will deal with the future of this country.

sunfrog

03-31-03, 11:53 PM

Either you are purposely withholding real arguments

I only came to fight with you Yoda, not debate the issues. Why waste my time?

"None are so blind as those that will not see." -Matthew

And

"No man really becomes a fool until he stops asking questions."
-Charles Steinmetz

Django

04-01-03, 12:02 AM

Originally posted by r3port3r66
My goodness Django, I think you're just being too defensive. If you re-read my first quote on the previous page--

"What distinguishes war, is not that man is slain, but that he is slain, spoiled, crushed by the cruelty, the injustice, the treachery, the murderous hand of man."
--William Ellery Channing

--you would see that this statement represents, to me, a protest of war. I think this statement by William Channing means; The real atrocity of of battle is not that men are killed, but that men are killing men. It's an anti-war statement.
So, I don't even think you're taking the time to actually read the posts or the quotes. You just see a quote, skim over it and automatically assume it's pro-war.

I'm starting to suspect that there are personal reasons for your protests. We have to face it pal; Your voice, my voice, they don't matter anymore--we are at war!

But personally, If Yoda is a rep for those taking the opposite view, I'm glad to listen and learn from him. You shouldn't assume that just because people support the President that they're happy lives are being lost. Show Yoda a little more respect than that. The man is as passionate as you are, and he has brains to boot. Besides, I know some people who support the war that aren't as restrained as Yoda. Heck, he's shown great restraint while debating with you. It's you that seem overly heated about something that's already happened, and you have no control over.
So again, I think there are issues that are more personal to you about this war than you are revealing to us, or else you, like the rest of us who think this conflict in Iraq could have been resolved another way, would be thinking about how we will deal with the future of this country.

I have shown a great deal of restraint and respect towards Yoda, a lot more than he has shown towards me, I can tell you that! I haven't been "yelling" my quotes at 5 times the size!

reporter, Yoda, I am way too busy to be posting on this forum, which I am doing in between my work. I really should quit, but something, some unknown force, keeps drawing me back. If I misread your quotes, reporter, again, it's because I simply don't have the time to read them carefully. Yes, I am skimming through your posts--simply because I don't have the time to read them carefully. Yoda, to formulate an adequate argument to satisfy your relentless intellect, not to mention go through a grueling cross-examination that will inevitably ensue, will take up more time than I can spare. When I have a day or two to spare, I'll take you on. Till then, we will have to put your project on hold, I'm sorry to say.

sunfrog

04-01-03, 12:09 AM

The majority, oppressing an individual, is guilty of a crime, abuses its strength, and by acting on the law of the strongest breaks up the foundations of society.
-Thomas Jefferson

Civil disobedience becomes a sacred duty when the state becomes lawless or corrupt.
-Mahatma Gandhi

Yoda

04-01-03, 12:15 AM

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
-- Martin Luther King Jr.

Originally posted by sunfrog
I only came to fight with you Yoda, not debate the issues. Why waste my time?
Time has nothing to do with it. Your posts show that you are incapable. I wouldn't harp on this if you didn't relentlessly pretend that your claims have substance. The whole thing is stunningly pretentious. Deny away, but it's obvious.

Either prove me wrong or admit it. Any other response will most likely be ignored, at least by me. Ta-ta.

Originally posted by sunfrog
"No man really becomes a fool until he stops asking questions."
I keep asking you and Django questions, yet you refuse to answer them. Oops. Accidental irony.

nebbit

04-01-03, 12:37 AM

I noticed Austruck I feel the same, Some one please close this down or come with a quote of the day PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSE:D

sunfrog

04-01-03, 04:30 PM

I love quotes!

As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy.
-Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865)

nebbit

04-01-03, 06:59 PM

Good old Abe what a good person he was.:)

Caitlyn

04-02-03, 01:36 AM

"Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves." ~ Abraham Lincoln

nebbit

04-02-03, 10:51 PM

'Meet me down in the bar! We'll drink breakfast together.

W C Fields:The Big Broadcast of 1938. :cool:

Django

04-05-03, 05:16 AM

"The death of one man is a tragedy;
the death of a million men is a statistic."
- Josef Stalin

Yoda

04-05-03, 03:39 PM

"Peace and justice are two sides of the same coin."
-- Dwight Eisenhower

Piddzilla

04-06-03, 08:33 AM

"The only thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history."

Friedrich Hegel

Yoda

04-06-03, 12:33 PM

"That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history."
-- Aldous Huxley

sunfrog

04-06-03, 07:25 PM

Fifty-one percent of a nation can establish a totalitarian regime, suppress minorities and still remain democratic.

-Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

Yoda

04-06-03, 07:32 PM

"There is no kind of dishonesty into which otherwise good people more easily and frequently fall than that of defrauding the government."
-- Benjamin Franklin

(free advice: these quotes meant to implicate that our government is oppressive are pretty weak. Good luck trying to demonstrate said oppression)

sunfrog

04-12-03, 07:42 PM

People always have been and they always will be stupid victims of deceit and self-deception in politics.
-V. I. Lenin

Piddzilla

04-14-03, 09:46 AM

"You can fool some people sometimes, but you can not fool all the people all the time"

Peter Tosh

nebbit

04-14-03, 11:42 PM

I was in love with a beautiful Blonde once, dear. She drove me to drink.That's the one thing I'm indebted to her for.

W. C. Field's.:rotfl:

sunfrog

04-15-03, 12:28 AM

Evolution of democracy is not possible if we are not prepared to hear the other side.
-Mahatma Gandhi

Yoda

04-15-03, 12:31 AM

This bears repeating:

"Even peace may be purchased at too high a price."
-- Benjamin Franklin

sunfrog

04-19-03, 04:32 AM

They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety.
-Benjamin Franklin

That's what Ben thinks of your Patriot Act.

Yoda

04-19-03, 11:31 AM

Way to ignore all the other Franklin quotes and single one out. Do you make a sport of intellectual dishonesty these days?

Let's examine your quote:

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety."

Tell me, Sunny, what ESSENTIAL liberties have we sacrified? Or were you just trying to say someting pithy?

r3port3r66

04-19-03, 12:52 PM

"Even peace may be purchased at too high a price."

Love this Quote Yoda. See? this is why I like you. You've got heart.

Sunfrog; I'm thinking Franklin said this because no one ever gives up essential liberties. It was more motivational than antagonistic.
What do you think it means?

Nikki

04-20-03, 08:11 AM

Money talks all languages...............

frutkake

04-20-03, 11:44 AM

Quack, Quack, QUack................. A Duck

sunfrog

04-21-03, 03:54 AM

Frisbeetarianism is the belief that when you die, your soul goes up on the roof and gets stuck.
-George Carlin

I just like this one. :laugh:

(Ben ment don't fight in the quote thread or Austruck will smack you)

sunfrog

04-24-03, 08:16 PM

I was unaware the last dozen years didn't count as part of your "entire life."
-Chris Yoda

:D

Yoda

04-24-03, 10:18 PM

Still no answer concerning your comment on the Franklin quote. Do you read the questions and DECIDE to ignore them? Or are you too wrapped up in your own views to notice?

Austruck

04-24-03, 11:28 PM

sunfrog,

I only smack people I like...

:kiss: <------BIG smack!

Linda (who really isn't reading this thread any more---am I missing anything??)

Vlad

04-30-03, 08:23 PM

Here eez a qvote from an old friend ov mine, datink back to ze Spaneesh Ceevil Var, circa 1936. I veel qvote eet verbateem vizout ze funky accent zo zat everyvone can underztand mitout ze problem:

"You will win, because of your brute strength, but you will not win us over, because, to win us over, you would need to convince us. And to convince us, you would need precisely what you do not have: reason, righteousness, and the right to fight."

- Miguel de Unamuno, October 12, 1936, University of Salamanca
(re. the Spanish Civil War)

Ze Zpaneesh Zeevil Var vas qvite an eenteresteeng moment een heestory, ven many great writers, like George Orwell, Ernest Hemingway, John Dos Passos, etc., reesked zeir lives to fight against ze Fascist armies ov General Franco een Spain, vheech vere supplied by ze Germans und ze Italians. Eet ees fascinateeng to read George Orwell's writeengs on ze Zpaneesh Zeevil Var, but, ov course, zeence I expeerienced eet virzt hand, I don't need to read about eet (I am eemmortal, did you know?).

Anyvay, nize talkeenk to you. I haf to run now!

Bye, bye! :D

Naisy

05-01-03, 12:10 AM

Knowledge which is acquired under compulsion has no hold on the mind. Therefore do not use compulsion, but let early education be rather a sort of amusement; this will better enable you to find out the natural bent of the child.
Plato

"80"

05-06-03, 05:15 PM

if you want to be seen, stand up
if you want to be heard, speak up
if you want to be appreciated, shut up ;)

Caitlyn

05-14-03, 12:34 PM

Genius, in one respect, is like gold - numbers of persons are constantly writing about both, who have neither. ~ C. C. Colton

Django

06-08-03, 03:16 PM

"Man who sit on rose bush soon get the point." - Confucius

"Woman with sharp tongue should keep big mouth shut." - Mohammed

Caitlyn

06-08-03, 11:11 PM

"I triple guarantee you, there are no American soldiers in Baghdad." ~ Mohammad

LordSlaytan

06-08-03, 11:13 PM

What? Where? When? ....

.... Vinnie Barbarino

sabo

06-10-03, 07:01 PM

"Among individuals, and among nations the respect for other people's rights is peace" --Benito Juarez

shooot.em.down.

06-10-03, 08:14 PM

yippeeyiey motha f*cker - bruce willis
u gotta love him:yup:

Caitlyn

06-15-03, 01:21 PM

If one life has breathed easier
because you have lived...
Your life has been a success.

-Ralph Waldo Emerson-

Yoda

06-19-03, 12:30 PM

"We only have ten years to save this planet."
-- Ted Danson, 1992

firegod

08-24-03, 10:59 AM

I'm going to try to do 3 a day.

"I want something EMBARRASSING! Something sexual! Little boys, midgets, that sort of thing! Cows! I don't give a g*dd@mn!" - Sam Elliott, in The Contender

"I would like to see a start made toward something alternative in America, because I just can't imagine anything else where we would put up with having only two choices. Would you put up with two choices of car? Or two choices of soap or toothpaste or anything? It's just not good enough anymore, and it's certainly not the way any other democracies run their game." - Bill Maher

"We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes." - Gene Roddenberry

Yoda

08-24-03, 12:13 PM

sunfrog

08-24-03, 12:29 PM

firegod

08-24-03, 12:31 PM

If I weren't already involved in half a dozen arguments on here, I'd probably point out the tremendous flaws in the second and third quotes. ;D

Ooh, yeah; I'm going to drive you bonkers on a daily basis! :drevil: :laugh: :devil:

Edit: I have a pretty good idea what your stance on the third quote is; I'd be real interested in knowing what you have to say on the second. Sure, it has flaws, and I'd like to hear (see, actually) your ideas on the subject (whenever or if ever you have the time).

nebbit

08-25-03, 12:19 AM

"We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes." - Gene Roddenberry

I would like to know peoples thoughts on this on, as a non beleiver in god I am interested. :yup: Especially Yoda because I value it where religion is concerned. :D

Golgot

08-25-03, 12:27 AM

When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong. -- Arthur C. Clarke.

Bah - he probably said that in the fifties when science was getting into it's full "religious" application [and he was one of the head priests] (come to think of it, he's the only one out of the ones i listed on the is-nebbit-god thread who didn't actually criticise bad technological application as a rule - like i mistakenly cliamed he did. All the others did tho ;))

As for the Yoda-goading (;)) - think you might have your work cut out on the last one big man - t'other is flawed but plays to an interesting score ;). Time, time, time eh?

Maybe the scientists can invent some more time for us? What do you thing froggy? (or is it monkey? Or ceramic-pottery? I'm never quite sure ;))

Caitlyn

08-25-03, 12:58 AM

Man did not weave the web of life, he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does to the earth he does to himself. ~ Chief Seattle, 1854

Yoda

08-25-03, 01:35 AM

I have a pretty good idea what your stance on the third quote is; I'd be real interested in knowing what you have to say on the second. Sure, it has flaws, and I'd like to hear (see, actually) your ideas on the subject (whenever or if ever you have the time).
Well, aside from the fact that there ARE other parties to vote for, I'd say the main problem is that Maher is equating every politician with every other member of their party. But as we all know, there's an entire spectrum of beliefs within each camp. Terms like "Republican" and "Democrat" encompass hundreds of subtle ideologicaly distinctions. We have far more than "two choices" -- we've merely categorized our options to make them more managable.

I would like to know peoples thoughts on this on, as a non beleiver in god I am interested. :yup: Especially Yoda because I value it where religion is concerned. :D
The quote assumes that God "creates faulty humans," when in reality God merely created humans with a will of their own. You can give birth to a child, and raise it, and teach it, but ultimately you can't stop it from making its own choices, even if they're the wrong ones. Roddenberry was presupposing that we're just some Deity's marionettes, and not responsible for our own actions.

This actually ties in with a debate fire and I had awhile back about materialism and how it in turn necessitates a belief in fatalism.

nebbit

08-25-03, 02:18 AM

The quote assumes that God "creates faulty humans," when in reality God merely created humans with a will of their own. You can give birth to a child, and raise it, and teach it, but ultimately you can't stop it from making its own choices, even if they're the wrong ones. Roddenberry was presupposing that we're just some Deity's marionettes, and not responsible for our own actions.

I understand the free will thing, just a few clarifications, what about babies that are born with deformities etc, is there a reason for that or is that part of the "blind faith" issue where you do not question the will of God, as we don't know what his big plan was for these babies? or people that have been assaulted and raped, is that free will, I wonder if the victims agree. :confused:

Yoda

08-25-03, 02:36 AM

I understand the free will thing, just a few clarifications, what about babies that are born with deformities etc, is there a reason for that or is that part of the "blind faith" issue where you do not question the will of God, as we don't know what his big plan was for these babies? or people that have been assaulted and raped, is that free will, I wonder if the victims agree. :confused:In the case of children with deformities, I'd say it's merely the result of their parents conceiving them. It's a purely biological reaction. I suppose it's possible that God could be causing them somehow, but I don't believe so.

I'm not sure if I understand your second question, exactly. The free will I'm talking about is that which is given to us by God. Obviously humans sometimes attempt to force things upon one another...but that's another matter.

nebbit

08-25-03, 02:52 AM

In the case of children with deformities, I'd say it's merely the result of their parents conceiving them. It's a purely biological reaction. I suppose it's possible that God could be causing them somehow, but I don't believe so.

I'm not sure if I understand your second question, exactly. The free will I'm talking about is that which is given to us by God. Obviously humans sometimes attempt to force things upon one another...but that's another matter.

With children I wasn't implying that God made people with deformities, I just wondered why he didn't stop it.

I was being smart, God gives man a free will, which means that it his choice to rape etc, not much of a consolation for the victims who suffer because of these peoples actions, "God Gave Man Free Will"

firegod

08-25-03, 06:47 AM

"My pride broke it. My rage broke it! This excellent knight, who fought with fairness and grace, was meant to win. I used Excalibur to change that verdict. I've lost, for all time, the ancient sword of my fathers, whose power was meant to unite all men, not to serve the vanity of a single man. I am nothing." - Nigel Terry, in Excalibur

"1500 years ago, everybody knew that the earth was the center of the universe; 500 years ago, everybody knew that the earth was flat; and 15 minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow." - Tommy Lee Jones, in Men in Black

"Ever notice when you blow in a dog's face he gets mad at you, but when you take him in a car he sticks his head out the window?" - George Carlin

Golgot

08-25-03, 08:58 PM

"This is a natural product, therefore variation of skin colour may occur"

On a packet of olives.

As opposed to those "lovely" uniform dyed-orange-carrots, and perfectly spherical red-red-tomatoes we grow up with thinking of as normal then.

Let's all move to the mediterranean now!! :scream:

sunfrog

08-25-03, 09:58 PM

If everything was all happy and nice and no one was raped or deformed we'd be living in paradise not Earth.

Caitlyn

08-25-03, 10:52 PM

Honor is what no man can give you and none can take away. Honor is a man’s gift to himself. ~ Rob Roy (Liam Neeson)

nebbit

08-26-03, 01:25 AM

If everything was all happy and nice and no one was raped or deformed we'd be living in paradise not Earth.

I want to live there :yup:

firegod

08-26-03, 03:21 PM

"This is the sort of English up with which I cannot put." - Winston Churchill, on the rule about not ending a sentence with a preposition.

"He who hears this name [God] from a Jew must inform the authorities, or else throw sow dung at him when he sees him and chase him away." - Martin Luther

"It's not a question of enough, pal. It's a zero sum game; somebody wins, somebody loses. Money itself isn't lost or made; it's simply transferred from one perception to another." - Michael Douglas, in Wall Street

jrs

08-26-03, 03:37 PM

Objects are larger than they appear - rearview mirrors

sunfrog

08-27-03, 02:49 PM

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin

firegod

08-28-03, 01:10 AM

"You weren't some f***ing drunk who drove your car off a f***ing bridge and abandoned the whore you're f***ing to die." - Kristen Shaw, in The Contender

"I care about it, and you should care about it too.You really should. Because we live in a free country. You know, and we say that a lot, but I think sometimes we forget really what that means, so listen to it again. We live in a free country. And that is a powerful idea. That's a.. that's a magnificant way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like." - Edward Norton, in The People vs. Larry Flynt

"I would love to believe that when I die I will live again, that some thinking, feeling, remembering part of me will continue. But as much as I want to believe that, and despite the ancient and worldwide cultural traditions that assert an afterlife, I know of nothing to suggest that it is more than wishful thinking." - Carl Sagan

Revenant

08-28-03, 05:25 PM

'The best kind of dog is the hot dog, because that's the only dog that feeds the hand that bites it.'
~anonomous quote from a book~

'The Great Pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too.'
~Samuel Butler~

'Who finds me out both far and near
Tracing my footsteps everywhere
And when I whistle's sure to hear
My Rover'
~John Clare~

sunfrog

08-28-03, 07:19 PM

If God lived on earth, people would break his windows.
~Jewish Proverb

firegod

08-28-03, 10:12 PM

"How many things we held yesterday as articles of faith which today we tell as fables." - Michel E. de Montaigne

"Dominion. We have only one thing to give up: our dominion. We don't own the world. We're not kings yet; not gods. Can we give that up? Too precious all that control? Too tempting being a god?" - Anthony Hopkins, in Instinct

"On what grounds? I'm not a drunk, I don't f*** other women, I've never hit you, I don't mistreat you... I don't even try to touch you since you've made it so abundantly clear how unnecessary you consider me to be! But I did support you before you got your license, and some people might think that entitles me to half of what's yours. So, turn off the light when you come to bed!" - Kevin Spacey, in American Beauty

Caitlyn

08-29-03, 01:36 AM

If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him. An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest. ~ Benjamin Franklin

Sexy Celebrity

08-29-03, 01:55 AM

[I]If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him.

Well, if that man is a drag queen, you could just rip the wig off.

Caitlyn

08-29-03, 01:59 AM

Well, if that man is a drag queen, you could just rip the wig off.

:laugh:

firegod

08-29-03, 10:54 AM

"All religion, my friend, is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination, and poetry." - Edgar Allen Poe

"This case has had full analyzation and has been looked at a lot." - George W. Bush

"General, you are listening to a machine; do the world a favor, and don't act like one." - John Wood, in WarGames

firegod

08-30-03, 10:23 AM

"If churches want to play the game of politics, let them pay admission like everyone else." - George Carlin

"Um, I think I am familiar with the fact that you are going to ignore this particular problem until it swims up and bites you on the a$$!!" - Richard Dreyfuss, in Jaws

Worf: I am asked to give up the very lifeblood of my mother and my father to those who murdered them.
Riker: So you blame all Romulans for that?
Worf: Yes.
Riker: Forever ? What if someday the Federation made peace with the Romulans?
Worf: Impossible.
Riker: That's what your people said a few years ago, about humans. Think how many died on both sides in that war. Would you and I be here now like this, If we hadn't been able to let go of the anger and the blame? Where does it end, Worf? If that Romulan dies, does his family carry the bitterness on another generation?

Piddzilla

08-30-03, 01:51 PM

"Love is the blackest of all plagues . . . if one could die of it, there would be some pleasure in love, but you don't die of it."

- Jöns. The Seventh Seal

Oh Bergman, oh Bergman... What a cheerful fellow...

sunfrog

08-30-03, 02:07 PM

"If there is no God, who pops up the next Kleenex?"
-Art Hoppe

firegod

08-31-03, 05:31 AM

"They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's some kind of federal program." - George W. Bush

"Tell Victor that Ramon -- the fella he met about a week ago? -- tell him that Ramon went to the clinic today, and I found out that I have, um, herpes simplex 10, and I think Victor should go check himself out with his physician to make sure everything is fine before things start falling off on the man." - Eddie Murphy, in Beverly Hills Cop

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" - Epicurus

nebbit

08-31-03, 05:41 AM

firegod

08-31-03, 05:43 AM

:eek: :rotfl: :yup:

YES! I somehow avoided the Nebbit eye roll this time! :)

nebbit

08-31-03, 05:54 AM

YES! I somehow avoided the Nebbit eye roll this time! :)

No you didn't :rolleyes:

Piddzilla

08-31-03, 06:39 AM

Michael Corleone: My father is no different than any powerful man, any man with power, like a president or senator.
Kay Adams: Do you know how naive you sound, Michael? Presidents and senators don't have men killed!
Michael Corleone: Oh. Who's being naive, Kay?

The Godfather

firegod

08-31-03, 06:43 AM

No you didn't :rolleyes:

Doh!

sunfrog

08-31-03, 01:15 PM

- Epicurus
Is that the guy from the Food Network?

"If affirmative action means what I just described, what I'm for, then I'm for it." -George W Bush

Revenant

08-31-03, 04:18 PM

'Laugh and the world laughs with you, snore and you sleep alone.'
~Anthony Burgess~

'If one morning I walked on top of the water across the Potomac River, the headline that afternoon would read: PRESIDENT CAN'T SWIM.'
~Lyndon B Johnson~

I think all good, right thinking people in this century are sick and tired of being told that all good, right thinking people in this country are fed up with being told that all good, right thinking people in this country are fed up with being sick and tired. I'm certainly not, and I'm sick and tired of being told that I am.'
~Monty Python~

By the time they had diminished from 50 to 8, the other dwarves began to suspect 'Hungry'.
~Gary Larson~

jrs

08-31-03, 04:43 PM

"BAM!!!" - Emerill Lagassi

Caitlyn

08-31-03, 05:33 PM

If you suck on a tit the movie gets an R rating. If you hack the tit off with an axe it will be PG. --Jack Nicholson

Django

08-31-03, 05:50 PM

If you suck on a tit the movie gets an R rating. If you hack the tit off with an axe it will be PG. --Jack Nicholson
:laugh: Good one!

firegod

09-01-03, 07:26 AM

"That which is unchallenged and exercised as habit rapidly becomes ritual. When this occurs, dissent becomes an object of surprise, if not resentment." - B. Carmon Hardy

"The Bible is not my book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma." - Abraham Lincoln

"Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear" - Thomas Jefferson

Caitlyn

09-01-03, 11:23 AM

"Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children." ~ Ancient Indian Proverb

firegod

09-03-03, 09:01 PM

I forgot to do yesterday's. Oh well.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
- Albert Einstein

"What effect will logic have upon a religious gentleman who firmly believes that a God of infinite compassion sent two bears to tear thirty or forty children in pieces for laughing at a bald-headed prophet?" - Robert G. Ingersoll

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." - Winston Churchill

Golgot

09-04-03, 10:50 AM

The government's claims about chemical-weapon production in Iraq was...

"egged up"...according to Dr Jones, the heaviest-hitter from the intelligence community so far to step forward at the Hutton Inquiry.

(bringing with him quotes of a more obviously-critical nature from "Dr A", and "blank" amongst others. Gotta love the cloak-and-dagger stuff ;))

If i can find out how non-english publications translated that, that'll be my next quote ;)

firegod

09-04-03, 12:01 PM

"A preoccupation with the future not only prevents us from seeing the present as it is but often prompts us to rearrange the past." - Eric Hoffer

"I think we ought to close Halloween down. Do you want your children to dress up as witches?" - Pat Robertson

"Disturbing the peace?! I got thrown out of a window! What's the ****in' charge for getting pushed out of a moving car, huh? Jaywalking?!" - Eddie Murphy, in Beverly Hills Cop

Caitlyn

09-04-03, 10:29 PM

I forgot to do yesterday's. Oh well.

I wondered where they were.. :)

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
- Albert Einstein

That is one of my all time favorites... thanks.... :D

firegod

09-05-03, 08:54 PM

"What a piece of work is a man!
How noble in reason!
How infinite in faculty!
in form, in moving, how express and admirable!
in action how like an angel!
in apprehension how like a god!
the beauty of the world!
the paragon of animals!
And yet to me, what is this quintessence of dust?
man delights not me; no, nor woman neither,
though, by your smiling, you seem to say so."
- Hamlet

"Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force." - James Earl Jones as Darth Vader in Star Wars

"It is in the admission of ignorance and the admission of uncertainty that there is a hope for the continuous motion of human beings in some direction that doesn't get confined, permanently blocked, as it has so many times before in various periods in the history of man." - Richard P. Feynman

firegod

09-07-03, 08:50 AM

I missed another one!

"Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes or given you clairvoyance enough to find the Rebels' hidden forghhh!" Richard LeParmentier, from Star Wars

"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." - David Brooks

"Well.. look.. ya know.. If a kid gets caught drinking beer in a tavern, we don't ban Budweiser across the nation." - Woody Harrelson, in The People vs. Larry Flynt

Golgot

09-07-03, 07:38 PM

"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." - David Brooks

Damn, feel like contesting this apparently anti-dogmatic-religion quote (something i agree with :yup: :confused: :dizzy: )

Coz like: Kant did a fair thing when he split things into the knowable (phenomena) and the unknowable (noumena). But you see, then he went on to try and describe the unknowable. Now, sure we can feel round the edges i.e. we can check and expand what we know...we can..guess/hypothesise/watch deficits/learn to see through others' eyes etc etc - but there'll always be limits and unknowables.

Bad science doesn't incoprporate these things - they just make up a waveform of known possibilities (i.e. they guess and treat it as a fact we can build other actions/guesses on.)

In the case of GM they even have the cheek to (basically) say..."we can't know how dangerous a food is until we eat it, so let's ignore the negatives until they exist"

That's all bad analysis/incorporation of the unknown in our theories of what we know ;)

We shouldn't explain the known through the unknown wholly, for sure, but we should let it have some space in our minds :yup: i.e. there's no point blanking out its existence :nope:

nuff (Hmm, i might have to compile all these rants and apply for a masters in incontinent blabbling. ;) )

firegod

09-09-03, 03:11 AM

"I wanna be just like you. I figure all I need is a lobotomy and some tights." Judd Nelson, in The Breakfast Club

"You're a rumor, recognizable only as deja vu and dismissed just as quickly. You don't exist; you were never even born. Anonymity is your name. Silence your native tongue. You're no longer part of the System. You're above the System. Over it. Beyond it. We're 'them.' We're 'they.' We are the Men in Black." - Rip Torn, in Men in Black

"Since our inner experiences consist of reproductions, and combinations of sensory impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seem to me to be empty and devoid of meaning." - Albert Einstein

firegod

09-10-03, 12:52 AM

"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration--courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and, above all, love of the truth." - Henry Louis Mencken

"In England there are sixty different religions, and only one sauce." - Domenico Caracciolo

"Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured." - Mark Twain

Yoda

09-10-03, 01:01 AM

"Nobody talks so constantly about God as those who insist that there is no God."
-- Heywood Broun

firegod

09-10-03, 11:02 AM

If the average adult claimed that Santa Claus was real, I think you'd be talking quite a bit about how he doesn't exist. Actually, no deities were even mentioned in yesterday's quotes.

Yoda

09-10-03, 11:19 AM

If the average adult claimed that Santa Claus was real, I think you'd be talking quite a bit about how he doesn't exist.
I'm not so sure about that, but even if I would, I'd hope that even a staunch Atheist like yourself would be reasonable enough to recognize that, true or not, the two are nowhere near akin in terms of believability.

Actually, no deities were even mentioned in yesterday's quotes.
Not sure what your point is here. The quote was not absolute, and isn't any less applicable because you decided to take a knock at souls instead of deities yesterday.

Golgot

09-10-03, 11:28 AM

"Nobody talks so constantly about God as those who insist that there is no God."
-- Heywood Broun

"When somebody believes something is an unquestionable truth central to everything, there's no need to question it or mention it much." ;)
-- me today

Ahh, and good old mark twain. Love his ponderous weather-vane novels.

Yoda

09-10-03, 11:31 AM

"When somebody believes something is an unquestionable truth central to everything, there's no need to question it or mention it much." ;)
-- me today

Ahh, and good old mark twain. Love his ponderous weather-vane novels.
This directed at anyone in particular? Because, given the amount of civil debate the Theists here get into (and elsewhere), their beliefs are far from "unquestionable."

firegod

09-10-03, 11:32 AM

"The Christian resolution to find the world ugly and bad has made the world ugly and bad." - Friedrich Nietzsche

"I don't think you're quitting because you believe these things you say. I don't. I think you want to believe them, because you're quitting. And you want me to agree with you, and you want me to say, 'Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right. It's all f***ed up. It's a f***ing mess. We should all go live in a f***ing log cabin.' But I won't. I don't agree with you. I do not. I can't." - Brad Pitt, in Seven

Marsha Mason: Jesus Christ, you're naked. I thought you said you were decent.

Richard Dreyfuss: I am decent; I also happen to be naked.

- The Goodbye Girl

Not sure what your point is here. The quote was not absolute, and isn't any less applicable because you decided to take a knock at souls instead of deities yesterday.

Actually, very few of the quotes in this thread mention a god. The vast majority of the religious quotes in here could very easily come from someone who believes in a god, but disagrees with organized religion, like Bill Maher.

Golgot

09-10-03, 11:49 AM

This directed at anyone in particular? Because, given the amount of civil debate the Theists here get into (and elsewhere), their beliefs are far from "unquestionable."

It was directed at people who hold 100% inflexible beliefs and build religious/general belief structures around them.

i.e. i was talking about beliefs considered as ultimately unquestionable i.e. the believer belives the belief is ultimately right (and possibly that any questioning they engage in gets them closer to this ultimate-right [an accurate appraisal of it etc])

T'was all ;)

firegod

09-11-03, 08:51 AM

"To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us and make a broken tyrant into a latter-day Arab hero. It would have taken us way beyond the imprimatur of international law bestowed by the resolutions of the Security Council, assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerilla war. It could only plunge that part of the world into even greater instability and destroy the credibility we were working so hard to reestablish." - George H. W. Bush in the 1998 book A World Transformed

"Mr. Spock, the women on your planet are logical. That's the only planet in the galaxy that can make that claim." - William Shatner

"Oh, I'm angry. I'm very angry, Ralph. You know, you can ball my wife if she wants you to; you can lounge around in her ex-husband's post-modernistic bulls*** house if you want; but you don't get to watch my f**king television set!" - Al Pacino, in Heat

Caitlyn

09-11-03, 04:37 PM

The real measure of our wealth is how much we'd be worth if we lost all our money. ~ J.H. Jowett

firegod

09-12-03, 01:12 AM

"Science can teach us, and I think our own hearts can teach us, no longer to look around for imaginary supports, no longer to invent allies in the sky, but rather to look to our own efforts here below to make this world a fit place to live in, instead of the sort of place that the churches in all these centuries have made it." - Bertrand Russell

"The legislature's job is to write law. It's the executive branch's job to interpret law." - George W. Bush

"Dr. Murray! I don't know you very well, but I get the feeling that you are a tired, incompetent bag of ***** who has found a place to hide. You over-medicate these men, and you turn your back on their torture. If I am wrong, I deeply apologize." - Cuba Gooding Jr., in Instinct

Yoda

09-12-03, 01:30 AM

Actually, very few of the quotes in this thread mention a god. The vast majority of the religious quotes in here could very easily come from someone who believes in a god, but disagrees with organized religion, like Bill Maher.
I don't know about "vast majority," but yes, I more or less agree. I still think the quote is quite applicable, however. I mean, c'mon, the first few days would've made your basic worldview plain to anyone who happened to be reading.

People are sometimes consumed by their religion to the point at which they think of nothing else. Sadly, the same is clearly true of Atheism. The former is somewhat more defensible, though, as a feverish belief in a Deity is not wholly ridiculous if said Deity actually exists, whereas it strikes me as a bit odd to direct so much negative attention to something the person doesn't even believe exists.

i.e. i was talking about beliefs considered as ultimately unquestionable i.e. the believer belives the belief is ultimately right
Huh? Beliefs that people believe are right? Seems to me all beliefs would fall under that heaading.

Yoda

09-12-03, 01:33 AM

Oh yeah...

"When I was younger I could remember anything, whether it happened or not."
-- Mark Twain

firegod

09-12-03, 08:05 AM

Good quote.

I seriously doubt I think about your god or any other god as much as you do; I just have a bunch of anti-religion quotes that I like. The fact that I post a lot of them in no way suggests that I am constantly thinking about religion, anymore than my posting a bunch of Bush quotes suggests that I am constantly thinking about him; it's just that there are so damn many good ones. :)

Now look, I once stood exposed to the Dragon's Breath so that a man could lie one night with a woman. It took me nine moons to recover. And all for this lunacy called love, this mad distemper that strikes down both beggar and king! Never again! Never! - Nicol Williamson, in Excalibur

"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." - James Madison

"I believe in the religion of reason -- the gospel of this world; in the development of the mind, in the accumulation of intellectual wealth, to the end that man may free himself from superstitious fear, to the end that he may take advantage of the forces of nature to feed and clothe the world." Robert G. Ingersoll

Golgot

09-13-03, 02:00 PM

Huh? Beliefs that people believe are right? Seems to me all beliefs would fall under that heaading.

Don't be a fool Yods, i know you're not one ;). There's not one of my beliefs i believe is UNQUESTIONABLE i.e. there's not one belief i hold that i don't believe MIGHT be wrong (including my perception of what is in front of me, the core beliefs i'm aware of etc etc - And this is true for many people. If you hang around with people who only think in black-OR-white, good-OR-bad, right-OR-wrong terms, i can't help that.)

Can you say the same? No - coz as other posts have demonstrated you seem to believe there are some things that just are completely right and true i.e. the existence of god etc. I say you shouldn't think that way.

Alfred "Onestone":

"The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge."

Yoda

09-13-03, 02:19 PM

Don't be a fool Yods, i know you're not one ;). There's not one of my beliefs i believe is UNQUESTIONABLE i.e. there's not one belief i hold that i don't believe MIGHT be wrong (including my perception of what is in front of me, the core beliefs i'm aware of etc etc - And this is true for many people. If you hang around with people who only think in black-OR-white, good-OR-bad, right-OR-wrong terms, i can't help that.)What you seem to be missing is that I'm not asking for your help, nor do I believe it to be particularly helpful. If anything, I think you're advocating something not only impractical, but potentially dangerous. You handcuff yourself in the name of open-mindedness. In an attempt to avoid being tied to any ideology, you've bound yourself to indecisiveness.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything."
-- Alexander Hamilton

Can you say the same? No - coz as other posts have demonstrated you seem to believe there are some things that just are completely right and true i.e. the existence of god etc. I say you shouldn't think that way.I don't see how my "other posts" have demonstrated this in the least. The only thing they've demonstrated is that I don't preface every statement with "btw I don't believe this 100% etc etc etc," as you choose to.

They also demonstrate that I recognize the practicality and necessity of thinking things through, but ultimately coming to meaningful, firm decisions. I'm tying my boat down, not welding it to the shore. It's a much more rational decision than floating haphazardly for ever and ever, and it doesn't mean I'm necessarily docked for life. For someone who rails against alleged polarization, you sure don't hesitate to employ it.

firegod

09-13-03, 03:31 PM

1000 posts!

"It’s one thing to say, `We have rights to jobs, we have rights to be left alone in our little corner of the world to do our thing.’ It’s an entirely different thing to say, 'well, we’re not only going to go into the schools and we’re going to take your children and your grandchildren and turn them into homosexuals.’ Now that’s wrong." - Pat Robertson

"To cease smoking is the easiest thing I ever did. I ought to know, because I've done it a thousand times." - Mark Twain

"She was fifteen years old, going on thirty-five, Doc, and she told me she was eighteen. She was very willing; I practically had to take to sewing my pants shut. Between you and me, uh, she might have been fifteen, but when you get that little red beaver right up there in front of you, I don't think it's crazy at all, and I don't think you do either." - Jack Nicholson, in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

Golgot

09-13-03, 05:11 PM

Congrats firey.

(love all these M Twain quotes btw - never heard them, but they're very "him" - [well duh ;)])

If anything, I think you're advocating something not only impractical, but potentially dangerous. You handcuff yourself in the name of open-mindedness. In an attempt to avoid being tied to any ideology, you've bound yourself to indecisiveness.

But I'm not bound to indecisiveness. I just try to impress certain things onto certain people who i feel could benefit from it ;) Even if i do it far from perfectly. Have you not noticed me come to certain decisions and support them throughout my posts? Am i particularly indecisive? I tangent a lot, and like to look at flaws to every apparently certain system, but that doesn't mean i don't recognise the ultimate practicality of said systems and said increased decisiveness.

[/b]I don't see how my "other posts" have demonstrated this in the least. The only thing they've demonstrated is that I don't preface every statement with "btw I don't believe this 100% etc etc etc," as you choose to.

They also demonstrate that I recognize the practicality and necessity of thinking things through, but ultimately coming to meaningful, firm decisions. I'm tying my boat down, not welding it to the shore. It's a much more rational decision than floating haphazardly for ever and ever, and it doesn't mean I'm necessarily docked for life. For someone who rails against alleged polarization, you sure don't hesitate to employ it.

You are docked to one thing it seems. No matter how far you let yourself float, you'll always be tied to your god-rock. But aside from that, i like your analogy ;)

But as for your floating claim: I've settled on the shores of anti-this-war(and it's overall effect), GM-scores-an-own-goal and industrial/economic-competition-without-necessary-cooperation-is-unnecessarily-destructive broad underscores to my opinions. These are just a few of my overall world-views (that i'm prepared to review ;))

Groucho Marx:

"Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?"

"A child of five could understand this. Fetch me a child of five."

"Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others."

;)

nebbit

09-13-03, 07:18 PM

[QUOTE=firegod]1000 posts!

CONGRATS FIREGOD A REAL MILESTONE :D

Revenant

09-13-03, 09:10 PM

"I don't think there's anybody in this organization not focused on the 49ers... I mean Chargers."
~Bill Belichick~

"I can only see it going one way, that's my way. How it's actually going to go I can't really say."
~Nick Wilshire~

"I've told the players we need to win so that I can have the cash to buy some new ones"
~Chris Turner~ Peterborough manager

"Dumbarton player Steve McCahill has limped off with a badly cut forehead."
~Tom Ferrie~

firegod

09-14-03, 06:26 AM

"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin." - Cardinal Bellarmine, during the Galileo trials

"A classic is something that everybody wants to have read and nobody wants to read." - Mark Twain

"If you don't like my jokes, don't laugh. If you have a medical opinion, by all means, speak up, and speak up loud. But if you ever again tell me or my staff that we are going to lose a patient, I will take out your lungs with a f***ing ice cream scoop." - Alec Baldwin, in Malice

nebbit

09-14-03, 08:07 AM

Every man dies. Not every man really lives. 'BRAVEHEART'

firegod

09-15-03, 09:52 AM

"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years." - Mark Twain

"When an objection cannot be made formidable, there is some policy in trying to make it frightful; and to substitute the yell and the war-whoop, in the place of reason, argument and good order. Jesuitical cunning always endeavors to disgrace what it cannot disprove." - Thomas Paine

"Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet." - Napoleon Bonaparte

nebbit

09-16-03, 01:59 AM

Hearts will never be practical untill they can be made to be unbreakable " Wizzard Of Oz "

Herod

09-16-03, 02:24 AM

"When an objection cannot be made formidable, there is some policy in trying to make it frightful..."
Just... wow.
Is liberalism a doctorate type of thing, because this quote gives me the impression they all have to take the hypocritic oath.

And yes, I know. It's a play on words and such.

firegod

09-16-03, 10:32 AM

"I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power that you're using here: it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it." - Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park

"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians." - Pat Robertson

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain

Caitlyn

09-16-03, 10:58 AM

"You can hardly tell where the computer models finish and the real dinosaurs begin" ~Laura Dern, on Jurassic Park :D

Yoda

09-16-03, 02:05 PM

Belated congratulations, Jer. :)

But I'm not bound to indecisiveness. I just try to impress certain things onto certain people who i feel could benefit from it ;) Even if i do it far from perfectly. Have you not noticed me come to certain decisions and support them throughout my posts? Am i particularly indecisive? I tangent a lot, and like to look at flaws to every apparently certain system, but that doesn't mean i don't recognise the ultimate practicality of said systems and said increased decisiveness.
Sure, you come to decisions. There's not much of an alternative, though. That's not what bothers me, though. Nor am I bothered by your obsessive-compulsive need to continually state that you don't believe things "100%." Rather, I'm bothered by your insistence that anyone who doesn't include the same preface on a regular basis must, therefore, view their beliefs as unquestionable. I don't see how that follows, however, and it seems to me it's more speculation than deduction on your part.

You are docked to one thing it seems. No matter how far you let yourself float, you'll always be tied to your god-rock. But aside from that, i like your analogy ;)
We've had this discussion before. It's just another escape hatch. The conclusion is coming before the evidence. The conclusion: I believe what I do because I'm close-minded. The evidence: I haven't questioned my beliefs. When I try to demonstrate that I have, I'm told I haven't "really" or "truly" done it, which effectively ends the possibility for further discussion or argument on the matter.

But as for your floating claim: I've settled on the shores of anti-this-war(and it's overall effect), GM-scores-an-own-goal and industrial/economic-competition-without-necessary-cooperation-is-unnecessarily-destructive broad underscores to my opinions. These are just a few of my overall world-views (that i'm prepared to review ;))
Great. Now if only you'd review your tendency to assume extremities in other people's ideologies, we might get somewhere. :)

Groucho Marx:"A child of five could understand this. Fetch me a child of five."
Close. :)

"Why, a four year old child could understand this."
"(run out and find me a four year old child, I can't make head or tail out of it."

Golgot

09-16-03, 02:32 PM

Sure, you come to decisions. There's not much of an alternative, though. That's not what bothers me, though. Nor am I bothered by your obsessive-compulsive need to continually state that you don't believe things "100%." Rather, I'm bothered by your insistence that anyone who doesn't include the same preface on a regular basis must, therefore, view their beliefs as unquestionable. I don't see how that follows, however, and it seems to me it's more speculation than deduction on your part.

I have NEVER EVER EVER said that my beliefs are unquestionable. One of the many reasons for repeating the reductionist 100% analysis of global thought processes is to emphasise that MY BELIEFS ARE FALLIBLE TOO. Good god yods, the reason i repeat it so much is coz people like you seem incapable of integrating the concept (i should give up trying to re-slant your views this way, but what they hey.. ;))

EDIT: Oops, doing this far too often recently. Misread. However, in a not-very-concilliatory way, i will still say that in the face of what appears to be a globally held belief concerning god, i get aggravated and presume logical extentions of this potential dogma [and see some evidence for it in black-n-white analysis that you are prone to, amongst your more relativisty appreciations]. (but the REAL thing i get worrysome about is this left-hemisphere bias i talk about below - i just see certain monotheistic mindsets as catalysts and facilitators for this mind-bind. The reason i harp on about the 100% thing is coz it seems to have always been one of my central mental constructs, which the societies i've sought out have reinforced [and balanced out since then i.e. i've searched out more "rational" environments] ...so you see, in some ways, it's a core part of my "religion". And when that "religion" is under represented you need to harp a bit about giving it a more central place in our thoughts. If it's any consolation, you are by far the most relativistic creationist i've ever come across [and i do have a tendancy to launch attacks at you that should be aimed at your more dogmatic kin, not at you. I apologise for this, and will try and avoid any more emotional forays into the unjustifiable and offensive])

Do you deny that i ever deduce then? Just coz i've never presented, for example, the wealth of neurological, psychological and sociological information i've been exposed to to back up my "100%" belief about beliefs, doesn't mean the information isn't there. It's a time/absorbtion thing ;) (bad as i am at controlling myself concerning these things ;))

We've had this discussion before. It's just another escape hatch. The conclusion is coming before the evidence. The conclusion: I believe what I do because I'm close-minded. The evidence: I haven't questioned my beliefs. When I try to demonstrate that I have, I'm told I haven't "really" or "truly" done it, which effectively ends the possibility for further discussion or argument on the matter.

You have made statements that run along the lines of "anyone who disagrees with this is just plain wrong" concerning the existence of God. This i find worrying. But Chri, i totally respect that you are a flexible and receptive person who adjusts his views in many spheres. It's the central spheres i worry about a tad, as to how they might influence these global adjustments and conscious appraisals of what "it"'s all about. Not claiming to know better as such - it's just that flaw-pointing-out is my god-given-skill ;) (i'm a pointer. And dogged too ;)). The fact that i've managed to renage on my divisive nature and come to hard and fast conclusions is an expression of the type of step into the "unnatural" and "unknown" that i think you could benefit from taking. You're fine as you are. You could just be more is all. And i learn to be more by talking to you, it's just that i'd wish you'd do the same. It's easier for me tho - i get to re-rationalise my chaotic and global/holistic mental-structures
through appreaciation of your dialectical efforts, while you would have to pick up on the emotional content of what i'm saying. It's an impossible mission in many ways, but i believe there's validity in trying to trigger some alternate self-exploration in you. Sorry for the patronisation ;)

Great. Now if only you'd review your tendency to assume extremities in other people's ideologies, we might get somewhere. :)

You have been extreme, in the case quoted above for example (from the Evo2 thread). This is deduction, not imagination ;) - what i'm preoccupied with most relating to our tussles is the predominance of "cogitent"/rational self-explanation clearly evident in your otherwise highly efficent and accurate arguing style (tho when this then wraps elements of rhetorical behaviour around itself as you get more frustrated this becomes much closer to a worrying phenomenon in an otherwise balanced and reasonable person ;) :yup: - the point is that there are other totally valid tools, that you totally know about but you apparently underuse and appreciate, and are very difficult to rationalise. A tricky conundrum. Again, i'll say: holisticism and relativity)

If you look into recent theological explorations of the nature of self, powered by the latest neurological research, you might see some echoes of your preferred mental styles in the examination of hemisphere roles. The left enforces the rules we live our lives by, using reductionism of uncontextualised information for rapidity and simplicities sake to define them, and can see no problem with them. The right questions using global appreciations as its core tool. To simplify to biblical proportions: i lean more to the right, you to the left ;)

Close. :)

"Why, a four year old child could understand this."
"(run out and find me a four year old child, I can't make head or tail out of it."

Whoops, i've been misinformed then. How about this one?

"I must confess, I was born at a very early age."

Groucho

Please note how both hemispheres are necessary to appreciate this joke. As they are in all things. There just happens to be a tendancy for people to lean more to the "left" mentally, and for this, for all its practicallity, to have an ultimately impractical effect - that of unrealistic appraisal

(please note further, [it seems i need to point it out :rolleyes: ] that this last comment does not entail me thinking that i'm right. But you know that it would be highly simplistic either-or thinking to assume that now don't you ;))

Golgot

09-16-03, 06:40 PM

So sorry Yodelini. I misread again. Non-apology above ;) [don't give up on me just yet]

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
Albert Einstein

firegod

09-17-03, 11:49 AM

"The theory that you should always treat the religious convictions of other people with respect finds no support in the Gospels." - Arnold Lunn

"What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way." - Bertrand Russell

"I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt Does. I-I don't like what Larry Flynt does. But what I do like is that I live in a country where you and I can make that decision for ourselves." - Edward Norton, in The People vs. Larry Flynt

Austruck

09-17-03, 11:56 AM

I just love how this thread I started merely to put up a funny quote I found has turned into a place to ridicule Christianity.

(sigh)

I wash my hands of this thread.

firegod

09-17-03, 12:02 PM

Well, I figure the "Quote of the Day" thread is a good place to post my favorite quotes. I'm sorry if it bothers you. If you want, I can delete all my messages in here and start a new thread, since this is your thread, and you disagree with my quotes so much.

Austruck

09-17-03, 04:00 PM

It's not *my* thread. Go ahead and keep them here. It's just that it's to a point where you're posting so many of them, every day, for weeks, many of which are in the same vein, and it's getting a little tiresome. I'll see a "Quote of the Day" email notification, and it's almost always another quote (or two or three) from you that's anti-Christian.

Okay, you're anti-Christian. I get it. I just thought I'd stop reading this thread. It serves absolutely no purpose for me any more. The rest of you can carry on with it as you see fit. I just made the comment because at the moment it frustrated me a little, that's all. I didn't expect this thread to take on the spin of "Anti-Christian Quote of the Day." There are plenty of other threads in here for me to read. No biggie.

Linda

Golgot

09-17-03, 04:01 PM

It's a shame that to ridicule the negative aspects that are caused or facilitated by any religion you have to ridicule the religion.

Incidently, sorry to add insult to injury (and i don't want to "injure" anyone purely for being Christian etc), but this original quote is actually pretty damn offensive in areas, the last point in particular. That's some pretty misdirected ridicule. :(

Quote of the day....(source unknown)

"You know the world's gone mad when the best rapper is a white man, the best golfer is a black man, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the USA of arrogance, and the Germans don't want to go to war!"

Austruck

09-17-03, 04:06 PM

My original quote was supposed to be *funny.* I thought that was obvious. (I originally got it as part of a joke email from someone and thought I'd share it purely for its humor.)

Golgot

09-17-03, 04:16 PM

My original quote was supposed to be *funny.* I thought that was obvious. (I originally got it as part of a joke email from someone and thought I'd share it purely for its humor.)

yup, unfortunately i'm saying it's not really funny to me, unless racism is your idea of fun. And refusing to let bygones be bygones concerning modern germany is exactly that [even parodying this form of racism as a norm keeps the norm alive in some ways]. Tongue in cheek this joke may be, but for me it fails to parody successfully, and in fact potentially foments some of the ideas it would like to puncture.

Incidently, i find Firegod's quotes very funny. And often based on very valid criteria and phenomenons. I can understand why you could find this joke funny tho, and why you don't see the humour in his quotes. In any case, both types of quotes are intended to be humourous, so isn't he still sticking to the topic?

Austruck

09-17-03, 04:46 PM

The quote picks on just about everyone, including several nationalities that include me and my family (which is German). Kinda like Mel Brooks' Springtime for Hitler is a sick joke, but still a joke. Whether or not you agree with Brooks' sense of humor, it's obvious he means it as a joke.

What I was taking issue with in terms of firegod's posts were their sheer number on the same topic. If I were an anti-German racist, and I continued to post anti-German posts day after day, for weeks, you'd have a legitimate right to at least just say, "Okay, this is getting tiresome." Which is precisely what I did.

I originally posted one quote, meant to be humorous (and whether or not it was, it was obviously *meant* to be funny). Firegod has posted a whole plethora of quotes on the same subject, all of which are meant to belittle and step on personal belief systems. One or two posts is one thing. Several dozen posts get to be a bit much to me personally.

So I mentioned it. Briefly. Quietly. And now I'm finding myself defending the fact that I find the ongoing quotes a little much.

As I tried to say before, I don't see much use for me personally in reading this thread any more. It's no big deal. Please don't make it one. I have absolutely no interest in getting into a debate over whether this or that is funny or not, and I won't. I was merely bowing out of the thread, but felt I would be allowed to make a comment first.

Apologies offered up to anyone who was offended by the original quote.

Mary Loquacious

09-17-03, 04:53 PM

"As the child of an alcoholic, I can't stand confrontation." ~ Bill Clinton, SNL

Piddzilla

09-17-03, 05:06 PM

I remember reading that first post on this thread and that I thought it was ignorant and low. Clever but low. But this whole thing is a giving and taking situation and I don't know how many times I've laughed when hearing "fat-stupid-and-warloving-americans" jokes. And I would never post one of those on here or on any other board. I know that Austruck probably didn't mean anything by her quote and since a lot of MoFo:ers obviously thought it was amusing I just didn't bother. I guess americans need something like that in times when the rest of the world view them as aliens. I read it, shook my head and forgot about it. I haven't read all of Fire's quotes but those I've read haven't struck me as offensive. But if Austruck finds them offensive I guess they are to her. But as I said, it is a giving and taking situation.

Mary Loquacious

09-17-03, 05:18 PM

But this whole thing comes down to opinion. Some people are going to like some quotes, and some aren't. Simple as that.

Austruck doesn't want to read this thread anymore because she doesn't like many of the quotes, and there should be no problem with that. Post what you like, read what you like. Don't post what you don't like, and don't read what you don't like.

Because...

"It's a free country." ~ Unknown, Most Currently Mary Lo

:)

Golgot

09-17-03, 05:47 PM

Sorry, i'm accidently ****-stirring again. And i can't stop myself here either: from what i can remember all of fire's religious-related quotes have been humourous. There are a lot of them, and i understand Aus not appreciating that and the basis of the humour etc. But i think the intention of posting the quotes is that fire finds them amusing and wants to share them. (and my impression has always been that, although they do "belittle" etc, they mainly belittle negative and closed-minded expressions of christian belief, and as such aren't an attack on good christians etc in most cases)

firegod

09-18-03, 12:04 AM

Cool. Unless anyone has any objections, I'll continue to post about 1 to 1.5 religion quotes a day. I'll eventually run out of good ones, probably. :)

firegod

09-18-03, 01:15 PM

"He's a nut-bag. Just because the ****er's got a library card doesn't make him Yoda." - Brad Pitt, in Seven

"I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's." - Mark Twain

"We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease." - George W. Bush

Golgot

09-18-03, 08:30 PM

"He's a nut-bag. Just because the ****er's got a library card doesn't make him Yoda." - Brad Pitt, in Seven

:rotfl:

"I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's." - Mark Twain

Now see that could mean that both can be affected by instinctive decision making (and basic nature even ;)) :yup:

"We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease."[/b] - George W. Bush

In the interests of thread-following, i should really put this...

Vice President mentioned Nigeria is a fledgling democracy. We have to work with Nigeria. That's an important continent.
-- Presidential debate, Winston-Salem, North Carolina, Oct. 11, 2000

....See now that's designed to be funny. i just really really hope he went on to say ...this continent of africa, [and talked about some serious issues there]

nebbit

09-19-03, 12:03 AM

If you live to be 100, I want to live to be a 100 minus 1 day, so I never have to live without you.

"WINNIE THE POOH"

:)

firegod

09-19-03, 12:20 AM

I love that quote. It's a little too syrupy sweet for me to actually post it myself, but I think it's an awesome quote. :)

nebbit

09-19-03, 01:06 AM

I love that quote. It's a little too syrupy sweet for me to actually post it myself, but I think it's an awesome quote. :)

I know what you mean, it would be nice if we all had someone that we didn't want, to live a day longer than. :)

firegod

09-19-03, 07:09 AM

"Businesses may come and go, but religion will last forever, for in no other endeavor does the consumer blame himself for product failure." - Harvard Lamphoon

"N.O.W. is saying that in order to be a woman, you've got to be a lesbian." - Pat Robertson

"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." - George Carlin

Golgot

09-19-03, 09:42 AM

I know what you mean, it would be nice if we all had someone that we didn't want, to live a day longer than. :)

I love the way all/most of the Pooh-philosophies can be compared to Taoist thought (i.e. the "Tao of Pooh" book - good old Milne)

firegod

09-20-03, 08:17 AM

"Private Pyle, I'm gonna give you three seconds, exactly three ****in' seconds, to wipe that stupid lookin' grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull f*** you!" - R. Lee Ermey, in Full Metal Jacket

"This country was formed by a bunch of slave owners who claimed that all men are created equal. That is known as being stunningly and embarrassingly full of s**t." - George Carlin

"God says do what you wish, but make the wrong choice and you will be tortured for eternity in hell. That sir, is not free will. It would be akin to a man telling his girlfriend, do what you wish, but if you choose to leave me, I will track you down and blow your brains out. When a man says this we call him a psychopath and cry out for his imprisonment/execution. When god says the same we call him 'loving' and build churches in his honor." - William C. Easttom II

nebbit

09-20-03, 11:30 PM

When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before.

MAE WEST :D

Private Joker

09-21-03, 06:46 PM

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There is in all things a pattern that is part of our universe. It has symmetry, elegance, and grace - thse qualities you find always in that the true artist captures. You can find it in the turning of the seasons, the way sand trails along a ridge, in the branch clusters of the creosote bush of the pattern of its leaves. We try to copy these patterns in our lives and in our society, seeking the rhythms, the dances, the forms that comfort. Yet, it is possible to see peril in the finding of ultimate perfection. It is clear that the ultimate pattern contains its own fixity. In such perfection, all things move towards death.
Frank Herbert, Dune

When i die, i want my coffin upside down so the world can kiss my ass. -Platoon

I'm going to sleep in a bed, have roots. You've given me a taste for life. -The Proffesional

Any drunk can take seeing their dead grandmother crawl up their leg with a knife in her mouth. But this, this was too much. -Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

ALL WORK AND NO PLAY HAS MADE JACK A DULL BOY. ALL WORK AND NO PLAY HAS MADE JACK A DULL BOY. ALL WORK AND NO PLAY HAS MADE JACK A DULL BOY. ALL WORK AND NO PLAY HAS MADE JACK A DULL BOY. ALL WORK AND NO PLAY HAS MADE JACK A DULL BOY. ALL WORK AND NO PLAY HAS MADE JACK A DULL BOY. ALL WORK AND NO PLAY HAS MADE JACK A DULL BOY. ALL WORK AND NO PLAY HAS MADE JACK A DULL BOY. ALL WORK AND NO PLAY HAS MADE JACK A DULL BOY. ALL WORK AND NO PLAY HAS MADE JACK A DULL BOY. ALL WORK AND NO PLAY HAS MADE JACK A DULL BOY. ALL WORK AND NO PLAY HAS MADE JACK A DULL BOY. ALL WORK AND NO PLAY HAS MADE JACK A DULL BOY. ALL WORK AND NO PLAY HAS MADE JACK A DULL BOY. ALL WORK AND NO PLAY HAS MADE JACK A DULL BOY. ALL WORK AND NO PLAY HAS MADE JACK A DULL BOY. ALL WORK AND NO PLAY HAS MADE JACK A DULL BOY. ALL WORK AND NO PLAY HAS MADE JACK A DULL BOY.

firegod

09-21-03, 11:33 PM

"If acorns start growing into theologians, or if women begin turning into pillars of salt, then we may wish to hypothesize about a supernatural influence. But until such time as nature becomes hopelessly unintelligible and unpredictable, we need look no further than nature itself for explanations." - George H. Smith

"General, you are talking to a machine; do the world a favor, and don't act like one." - John Wood, in WarGames

Harry Callahan: Well, when an adult male is chasing a female with intent to commit rape, I shoot the bastard; that's my policy.
The Mayor: Intent? How did you establish that?
Harry Callahan: When a man is chasing a woman through an alley with a butcher knife and a hard-on, I figure he isn't out collecting for the Red Cross.
Dirty Harry

firegod

09-22-03, 05:51 PM

"You know what you look like to me, with your good bag and your cheap shoes? You look like a rube. A well scrubbed, hustling rube with a little taste. Good nutrition has given you some length of bone, but you're not more than one generation from poor white trash, are you, Agent Starling? And that accent you've tried so desperately to shed? Pure West Virginia. What's your father, dear? Is he a coal miner? Does he stink of the lamp? You know how quickly the boys found you... all those tedious sticky fumblings in the back seats of cars...while you could only dream of getting out... getting anywhere... getting all the way to the FBI." - Anthony Hopkins, in Silence of the Lambs

"And He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bull***t story. Holy S***!" - George Carlin

"Pat Buchanan anounced recently that he doesn't believe in evolution. He's also not too sure about gravity. It might be a plot by the Jews to steal people's loose change." - Bill Maher

r3port3r66

09-22-03, 06:04 PM

"Pregnancy is like adolescence, except you don't get to leave home when it's over."--Cathy Cummins

nebbit

09-23-03, 07:32 AM

FASHION IS A FORM OF UGLINESS SO INTOLERABLE THAT WE HAVE TO ALTER IT EVERY SIX MONTHS.

OSCAR WILDE

firegod

09-23-03, 11:13 AM

"What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not." - James Madison

"I have nothing! Men fight for me because if they do not, I throw them off my land and I starve their wives and children. Those men who bled the ground red at Falkirk fought for William Wallace. He fights for something that I never had, and I took it from him, when I betrayed him. I saw it in his face on the battlefield, and it's tearing me apart." - Angus MacFadyen, in Braveheart

"Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. The conviction of the rich that the poor are happier is no more foolish than the conviction of the poor that the rich are." - Mark Twain

nebbit

09-24-03, 08:17 AM

WHEN MEN ARE UPTIGHT, THEY DRINK ALCOHOL AND INVADE ANOTHER COUNTRY.
WHEN WOMEN ARE UPTIGHT THEY EAT CHOCOLATE AND INVADE SHOPPING MALLS

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

firegod

09-24-03, 04:59 PM

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain

"Results like these do not belong on the resumé of a supreme being. These are the kind of results you expect from an office temp with a bad attitude." George Carlin

"You can destroy the Emperor; he has foreseen this. You don’t know the power of the Dark Side. Join me, and together we will rule the galaxy as father and son!" - James Earl Jones, in The Empire Strikes Back

firegod

09-25-03, 06:01 PM

"Ready are you? What know you of ready? For eight hundred years have I trained Jedi. My own counsel will I keep on who is to be trained! A Jedi must have the deepest commitment, the most serious mind. This one a long time have I watched. All his life has he looked away to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was. Hmm? What he was doing. Hmph! Adventure. Heh! Excitement. Heh! A Jedi craves not these things. You are reckless!" - Frank Oz, from The Empire Strikes Back

"Why, you stuck up, half-witted, scruffy-looking nerf-herder!" - Carrie Fisher, in The Empire Strikes Back

"The courts are merely a ruse, if you will, for humanist, atheistic educators to beat up on Christians." - Pat Robertson

firegod

09-26-03, 10:07 AM

"He was a policeman, Nick. If you steal, you disgrace him... and yourself... and me." Takakura Ken, in Black Rain

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." - Benjamin Franklin

"If you want to get together in any exclusive situation and have people love you, fine- but to hang all this desperate sociology on the idea of The Cloud-Guy who has The Big Book, who knows if you've been bad or good- and CARES about any of it- to hang it all on that, folks, is the chimpanzee part of the brain working." - Frank Zappa

firegod

09-27-03, 11:46 AM

"Life can be beautiful, profound, and awe-inspiring, even without an irate god threatening us with eternal torment." - Judith Hayes

"The Bible looks like it started out as a game of Mad Libs." - Bill Maher

"You know, you have a very big mouth, sir! Are you hiding something from me? Is that it? I bet you that is your Porsche that's parked out front, isn't it? How would you like me to have the IRS come down here and crawl up your ass with a ****ing microscope? They'll do it! I've seen them do it! It's not a pretty sight!" Eddie Murphy, in Beverly Hills Cop

Yoda

09-27-03, 02:26 PM

"Life can be beautiful, profound, and awe-inspiring, even without an irate god threatening us with eternal torment." - Judith Hayes
Disagreements aside, and fully acknowleding that there are plenty of clever anti-religious quotes out there (Bertrand Russell comes to mind), this ain't one of 'em. :nope:

nebbit

09-27-03, 09:06 PM

"Share the remote control with the woman in your life"
Allan and Barabra Peace {Why women can't read maps, and Why men don't listen} :D

Piddzilla

09-28-03, 11:33 AM

A relationship, I think, is like a shark. It has to constantly move forward or it dies.

(Alvy Singer/Woody Allen - Annie Hall)

sunfrog

09-29-03, 02:10 PM

I say you are tearing down Heaven and raising up a whore!
~That guy, in the movie, with Winona

firegod

09-29-03, 02:31 PM

Hmm. I thought for sure I posted this last night. Guess not.

"You still don't get it, do you? He'll find her. That's what he does! That's all he does! You can't stop him! He'll wade through you, reach down her throat, and pull her ****ing heart out!" - Michael Biehn, in The Terminator

"Hey, you bald-headed prick! Don't you ever get caught on the take. Because if you wind up in any joint I'm in, you'll leave feet first." - Sean Connery, in Family Business

"There will never be world peace until God's house and God's people are given their rightful place of leadership at the top of the world. How can there be peace when drunkards, drug dealers, communists, atheists, New Age worshipers of Satan, secular humanists, oppressive dictators, greedy money changers, revolutionary assassins, adulterers, and homosexuals are on top?" - Pat Robertson

Piddzilla

09-30-03, 06:17 AM

"Oh you brag about the ki's you flipped and who you done up
***** whattup? (Put up or shut up!)
Poppin **** about the chicks and the whips you got
You think you hot? (Uh-uh, man - you put up or shut up!)
Always talkin bout your dough and your wealth and fame
Youse a lame (Get out of here - put up or shut up!)
You got hot beats and kids that can spit mad fire?
Youse a liar! (That's whack - put up or shut up!)"

Put Up or Shut Up - Gang Starr

nebbit

09-30-03, 06:33 AM

IF LOCAL COUNCILS WERE MADE UP COMPLETELY OF WOMEN, REVERSE AND PARALLEL PARKING WOULD NO LONGER BE ALLOWED
Allan & Barbara Peace " why women can't read maps and why men don't listen"
;D

Caitlyn

09-30-03, 02:57 PM

When one door closes another one opens; but we so often look so long and so regretfully upon the closed door, that we do not see the ones which open for us. ~ Alexander Graham Bell

firegod

09-30-03, 10:52 PM

"It will yet be the proud boast of women that they never contributed a line to the Bible." - George W. Foote

"You, who'd murder a hundred thousand Iraqis to save a nickel on a gallon of gas, are going to lecture me on the rules of war?? Don't!!" - Gary Oldman, in Air Force One

"Do you realize that it is snowing in my room, g*ddamn it?" - Bill Paxton, in Weird Science

firegod

10-01-03, 10:46 PM

"This sucks! A maniac gets a hold of my gun and runs all over the streets killin' people with it, so, instead of bein' where I oughta be, home in bed with my gal givin' her the high hard one, I'm out here doin' THIS sh*t: roamin' around the streets with an overdressed charcoal-colored loser like you!" - Nick Nolte, in 48 Hrs.

"Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said 'thank you' and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!" - Jack Nicholson, in A Few Good Men

"Our hope of immortality does not come from any religions, but nearly all religions come from that hope." - Robert G. Ingersoll