The MoFo Top 100 of the Nineties

[Harry Lime]

Greetings. Wasn't the Millenium Countdown fun? Even though most of you picked the wrong movies I still enjoyed it. Picking the crazy decade of the nineties as our next countdown is an obvious choice, chances are it will members here have seen more from this decade than any others, from the previous century/millenium that is. So here we go. And don't worry about which films you pick, if I feel you've made the wrong choice(s) I'll simply change it to something that I feel is more deserving. And just to get things started right, American Beauty is the wrong choice. You have been warned.

Rules
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-Submit your top 25 movies to me in a PM with the title "Username - Mofo Top 100 of the Nineties"
(of course, don't put "Username" in the title, I want you to include yours. I think this will make it easier for me to search through if need be, so thanks in advance)
-Your top 25 must be ranked 1-25, and no ties, those are lame anyway.
-Deadline for entries is July 1st, 2013. No exceptions.
-No changes to the list once it has been submitted! You don't have to submit your list until July 1st so take your time, especially if you're the indecisive type. None of this, "I just saw Three Colours: Blue for the first time and want to add it to my list." or "I completely forgot about American Beauty!" You see, that last quote is double-lose, for one you're making post-submission changes, and two you're voting for American Beauty. Not good.
-I think I'll keep Brodinski's rule of "New members can send in their Top 25 as soon as they've been on the MoFo for one month. This measure is taken so that the list isn't influenced by members who've been on here for a week and then pack their bags and never come back. If we get too many of such lists, the Top 100 wouldn't be really representative of the MoFo's taste." I like this rule.
-And this one as well: "Films that are part of a series (Three Colours Trilogy) must be regarded as SEPARATE films. It is not permitted to submit an entire trilogy as one entry."
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-Films will be given points as follows: 1st gets 25 points, 2nd gets 24 points, 3rd 23 points, and so on until 25th gets 1 point.
-As for which films will be eligible for inclusion into the countdown I'll keep it simple, any film with an imdb year between 1990-1999.
Examples:
Mystery Train: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097940/ - Not allowed.
Night on Earth: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102536/ - Allowed!
Get it? Great.
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-NEW RULE - Do not post your lists until after the complete top 100 has been posted. If you do, as of Feb 20th, 2013, your list will be disqualified.

So I think that's it for the rules, but as I am dictator of this little project I'll change them as I see fit, should anyone question my authority. Okay, I'm joking about that, and while I'm confessing about my joking I'll add that (being uncertain everyone will get that I was joking - you never know) of course I won't be changing people's lists, and of course you can vote for whichever film you like, even American Beauty.
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So let's thank Brodinski for the great work he did for our last countdown. And I'll thank Yoda too, our fearless leader, who has kindly volunteered to help.

May the best film win!
(probably Goodfellas or Pulp Fiction, but that's okay)

[Harry Lime]

Members' lists so far:

The Rodent
Guaporense
Miss Vicky
Sexy Celebrity
Tyler1
cricket
syj
Camo
Nausicaä
Cream
TokeZa
teeter_g
Hitchcockian
Frightened Inmate No. 2
Thursday Next
nostromo87
Gunslinger 45
mark f
TheUsualSuspect
rauldc14
edarsenal
Harry Lime
Brodinski
Cobpyth
edwardc77
Gabrielle947
Pussy Galore
linespalsy
Mr Minio
Sinny McGuffins
Psychic Isaac
gandalf26
meatwadsprite
Frank The Tank
Skepsis93
Masterman
Mingusings
Sane
Godoggo
honeykid
jal90
Daniel M
JayDee
donniedarko
jiraffejustin
wintertriangles
Yoda
HitchFan97
ThomasP
stevo3001
TylerDurden99
BlueLion
Deadite
DexterRiley

[Skepsis93]

Skepsis' 90s list
1. American Beauty

Come to think of it that's actually a very distinct possibility. That is, unless I see something I prefer between now and July.

Looking forward to it already. :)

[Mr Minio]

I need to start making the list!

[The Prestige]

I'm happy to follow the rules, Harry, but I don't think that I can submit Three Colours Trilogy as separate entries. I think that should be an exception.

[Harry Lime]

I'm happy to follow the rules, Harry, but I don't think that I can submit Three Colours Trilogy as separate entries. I think that should be an exception.
No exceptions, sorry. And hey, I agree, personally I thought LoTR should have been one entry, but we can't start making exceptions for this or that.

How about this? Three Colours Trilogy fans, I propose that we should only vote for Blue as the representative for the entire trilogy. Does that work?

[Mr Minio]

If it was possible with Lord of the Rings then it's possible with Three Colours.

EDIT: Blue is the worst of them to me, so no. Red is the best. :P

[Pyro Tramp]

Should be less to catch up on to compose a list but a lot more out of memory. Are we strictly ruling out members posting lists here? Would be handy for some prompts.

[Harry Lime]

EDIT: Blue is the worst of them to me, so no. Red is the best. :P
Yeah...but...that doesn't matter.

[Harry Lime]

Should be less to catch up on to compose a list but a lot more out of memory. Are we strictly ruling out members posting lists here? Would be handy for some prompts.
I think it's best if they keep their lists private until the end like we did last time. I'll look around for other lists, top tens of each year, top of the decade, if that will help.

[Pyro Tramp]

Yeah, I can always look myself despite being reasonably lazy but that would be good.

Help avoid point 4 on dem rulz ;)

[The Prestige]

How about this? Three Colours Trilogy fans, I propose that we should only vote for Blue as the representative for the entire trilogy. Does that work?

That suits me fine. Fair deal.

[bluedeed]

How about this? Three Colours Trilogy fans, I propose that we should only vote for Blue as the representative for the entire trilogy. Does that work?

I think we should allow the trilogy to be voted for as a whole. You wouldn't split up The Decalogue into 10 movies, Kieslowski's films are intended to be whole, it's just not commercially viable.

That being said, I think we should definitely come up with some system to make sure it's well represented. I think Mr. Minio is right, Red is the best, you seem to think Blue is the best, but there's no reason to divide us. Also, will our list be ordered or unordered?

EDIT: Nvm, just saw it's supposed to be ordered, lame.

[Harry Lime]

You wouldn't split up The Decalogue into 10 movies, Kieslowski's films are intended to be whole, it's just not commercially viable.
Commercially viable, wow. Well, first off it's technically not a movie, and second...
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That being said, I think we should definitely come up with some system to make sure it's well represented. I think Mr. Minio is right, Red is the best, you seem to think Blue is the best, but there's no reason to divide us.Again, like Minio you seemed to miss the point, it does not matter which one we pick. I chose Blue because it was first, that's it. Red is my favourite of the trilogy as well, despite your assumptions. And in the end it does not matter, vote for whichever of the trilogy you like, all or none, Red or Blue or even White. It was just a proposal to solve the problem.

Films that are part of a series (Three Colours Trilogy) must be regarded as SEPARATE films. It is not permitted to submit an entire trilogy as one entry. This rule stands and lists that do not comply will be disqualified.

...ordered, lame...And to just make this one last point here, if you don't like it you don't have to enter.

[honeykid]

Seperate films are seperate films, it doesn't matter if they're intended to watched any other way. If it meant that much, they'd wait and release them all at once.

Secondly, Blue is easily the best of the Colours Trilogy.

Thirdly, of course it's ordered! That's how it gets ranked. However, once it's over and we start posting our individual lists, then we'll get to see them in their full glory and the discussion can continue unrestrained.

Bring on the 90's! Possibly my favourite decade in cinema and, after the 1970's, the best.

[Harry Lime]

Disregard.

[Skepsis93]

How about we solve the issue regarding the Three Colours trilogy by having someone start up a poll for a week and whichever of the films gets the most votes that will be the one we collectively decide on putting our support behind to represent the entire trilogy? I think that's fair.

What's the difference between everyone agreeing to back one and putting the three together? Seems like a whole lot of fuss for nothing. I say separate them, just like LOTR in the last countdown.

[wintertriangles]

How about this? Three Colours Trilogy fans, I propose that we should only vote for Blue as the representative for the entire trilogy. Does that work?I'm voting for Blue as it is so...sure!

But thematic trilogies are different from chronicle trilogies/quads/etc, thus I see literally no reason why you would count Three Colours as one entry. Wayne's World 1&2 on the other hand...

[Harry Lime]

What's the difference between everyone agreeing to back one and putting the three together? Seems like a whole lot of fuss for nothing.
You're probably right, but by allowing one trilogy then we open the door for other films of the sort.

Actually, as it stands with only individual films, both Red and Blue will likely make the list, what with all the support I've seen here. Add Veronique and we have three Kieslowski films in the top 100 which is pretty cool. I change my mind, no proposed film to represent all three. Hope others agree.

[mark f]

Yippee-ki-yay, MoFo!

[Skepsis93]

I still have to see Red but as of right now I prefer White to Blue and may vote for it. I like the first, but I don't see the meat of the Three Colours sandwich getting much love around here, which is a shame because I think it's very good. Underrated, maybe.

[Harry Lime]

Mark can't wait for the new Die Hard movie.

[The Rodent]

Sent my list in...

Probably got one or two that everyone else has voted for, but most of mine have probably been overlooked by everyone else.

[mark f]

Not true; I just wanted to use that line.

[The Rodent]

As for counting trilogies as one big film... I think that's daft.

Ok, LOTR and Three Colours etc everyone says "They're one big movie"

But surely then Alien can be classed the same way. And Die Hard, Spider Man, Pirates Of The Caribbean, Star Wars and so on and so on...

The way I see it... a film is a film. Whether it's part of a wider series or not.

[donniedarko]

I say if the Three Color fans wanna go and rally behind one movie to gauruntee a good position, let em do it. But I think the official countdown should keep em seperate. Less fuss that way

Also, I'm waiting till the end to submit my list again.

[HitchFan97]

I'll definitely wait until the end to submit my list. I have a lot of watching to do, at least as much as I did going into the Millennium Countdown.

[Godoggo]

My list is done, just needs to be put in order. This was way harder than the Millenium list. So many of my favorites are from the 90's.

[seanc]

Looking forward to being a part of it.

[wintertriangles]

Just compiled my "to-watch" list...needless to say I'm waiting til June to submit.

Question, why is the thread under the Member Reviews area?

[Guaporense]

I'll definitely wait until the end to submit my list. I have a lot of watching to do, at least as much as I did going into the Millennium Countdown.

I suggest for you Only Yesterday (1991). I think this movie is really a must see that few people here have watched.

[The Rodent]

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Contained my list.

[Guaporense]

As for counting trilogies as one big film... I think that's daft.

Ok, LOTR and Three Colours etc everyone says "They're one big movie"

But surely then Alien can be classed the same way. And Die Hard, Spider Man, Pirates Of The Caribbean, Star Wars and so on and so on...

The way I see it... a film is a film. Whether it's part of a wider series or not.

There is a world of difference between the Lord of the Rings and any other series you cited.

The Lord of the Rings was produced and filmed as a single film, based on a single book (which also was cut into three parts by the publisher) and released in three 3 hour parts over three years for the obvious reason that nobody would sit through a 9 hour film. If any series of films should be understood as a single film it is The Lord of the Rings.

While ALL the series you cited began as a single movie project, which then, after the initial success, convinced the producers to deliver "more of the same", and they made several other films, filmed and produced each on its own.

[Guaporense]

Here's mine took me quite literally minutes to put this together... +Rep away :D

01 Alien 3
02 Starship Troopers
03 Tremors
04 Die Hard With A Vengeance
05 Se7en
06 The Fifth Element
07 Total Recall
08 Jurassic Park
09 Independence Day
10 Terminator 2: Judgment Day
11 Saving Private Ryan
12 Leon
13 Speed
14 The Big Lebowski
15 Scream
16 Unforgiven
17 Daylight
18 Dumb And Dumber
19 Cliffhanger
20 Point Break
21 Ghost
22 The Silence Of The Lambs
23 The Lion King
24 Flatliners
25 Universal Soldier

I liked most films I watched from this list and there are 5 movies there in my own list. Though there are some rather mediocre stuff there for my tastes (i.e. Lion King, Unversal Soldier, Scream, Die Hard With A Vengeance). But overall, still a good list.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Here's mine took me quite literally minutes to put this together... +Rep away :D

01 Alien 3
02 Starship Troopers
03 Tremors
04 Die Hard With A Vengeance
05 Se7en
06 The Fifth Element
07 Total Recall
08 Jurassic Park
09 Independence Day
10 Terminator 2: Judgment Day
11 Saving Private Ryan
12 Leon
13 Speed
14 The Big Lebowski
15 Scream
16 Unforgiven
17 Daylight
18 Dumb And Dumber
19 Cliffhanger
20 Point Break
21 Ghost
22 The Silence Of The Lambs
23 The Lion King
24 Flatliners
25 Universal Soldier

First you submit your list six months before the due date, then you go and share your list with everybody when Harry already said "No List Sharing!"

I will not "+Rep away :D" like you said. For starters, Flatliners should have been your #1 movie (so with possibly my help, it could get on the list), not that godawful Alien 3. And WHERE the Hell is Young Guns II? You are so not loyal.

July is a long wait, though. I would have made the due date in March.

[The Rodent]

I didn't see the no sharing rule... woops.

As for Young Guns II... it's rubbish.

[rauldc14]

Very pumped for this, and I think July is a good due date. Gives everyone real time to think about it. Like many others, you probably won't get my list until May or June at the earliest.

[Miss Vicky]

All the movies I've selected are long time favorites, so even if I was to watch and love something in the meantime, these 25 have time on their side and there's no way some new favorite's going to usurp any one of them. So my list will be submitted as soon as I settle on an order.

Edit: Okay list sent.

And Harry Lime will be happy to see that I, in fact, did not vote for American Beauty. He probably won't be too happy with what I did vote for, but I didn't vote for American Beauty. :D

[Harry Lime]

Three lists already in just over half a day. Remember, no changes so take your time. Personally, I think I could submit my list now and it won't change much. But then I don't have to submit my list and worry about changing it, do I? Sweet.

Does anyone know how many lists were submitted for the last one? I say we try and beat it.

He probably won't be too happy with what I did vote for, but I didn't vote for American Beauty. :D
Looking at your list we'll have four or five in common for sure. I especially like seeing #3 that high.

And yes, let's try to refrain from posting our lists here. If everyone did it then there'd be no point in having the countdown. Mind you, it would save me some work.

[Harry Lime]

Question, why is the thread under the Member Reviews area?
Yoda. That guy. Anyway, he's fixed it. Thanks, Yoda.

[The Prestige]

I still have to see Red but as of right now I prefer White to Blue and may vote for it. I like the first, but I don't see the meat of the Three Colours sandwich getting much love around here, which is a shame because I think it's very good. Underrated, maybe.

Blue's my favourite of the trilogy, sometimes. My favourite used to be White, and I still adore it, but I just love theres just something about Blue that just does it for me. Red's the most critically acclaimed, and it's an excellent film, but it's probably my 'least' favourite of the trilogy.

Got it on blu ray the other week, excellent transfers, but then, Artificial Eye often have them.

[Thursday Next]

I've narrowed my list down to 62. Perhaps by July I'll have narrowed it down to the requisite 25. Although there's every chance I'll have seen more films by then, so maybe that will be easier said than done.

I don't see the problem with regarding a trilogy as separate films. They are separate films, and sometimes one is better than another. The only issue is that it takes up space on your list if you intend to vote for more than one part, I suppose. But splitting didn't harm Lord of the Rings in the Millennium countdown, and at least with it split nobody could say 'it's only number one because you combined the three films'.

[The Prestige]

I don't see the problem with regarding a trilogy as separate films. They are separate films, and sometimes one is better than another. The only issue is that it takes up space on your list if you intend to vote for more than one part, I suppose. But splitting didn't harm Lord of the Rings in the Millennium countdown, and at least with it split nobody could say 'it's only number one because you combined the three films'.

And that's one of issues I have. I want all Three Colours films to do really well, but there are at least fifty 90's films that can make my top 25, I really want to give every film a chance.

Besides, if we enter them as separate films, they could easily get lost in the shuffle. Some very few will vote for Blue, some for White, a lot for Red. It just makes the chances of any film getting a decent position or even actually making the top 25 rather slim.

I think some trilogies can be viewed as separate entities, but Three Colours is an exception. Each of the three colours represent a colour of the French flag, this is thematically important when looking at all the films as a whole. If you were to split them up individually then it somewhat loses that thematic relevance, I think.


I think i'll have to watch every single 90's film that made it to my Top 100 (though that list would change drastically today) and some more I admire a lot. I'll watch at least one a week until the week before the deadline. Should be exciting.

[gandalf26]

Although it isn't a rule, I think people should not post their own lists until it's over or very close to over. Just spoils it a bit by giving a preview of what to expect.

Also I don't see why people are in such a rush to post their list already. Are you sure there isn't some hidden gem that you could watch over the next 6 months and wish to include it. You will also have to pester Harry Lime with pm's asking for certain films to be taken off and changed.

So just take your time mofo's, catch up on some you have missed.

Speaking of which could someone post a list of some of the better foreign films that could have been missed by those of us who generally don't stray to far from the mainstream.

[Tyler1]

Speaking of which could someone post a list of some of the better foreign films that could have been missed by those of us who generally don't stray to far from the mainstream.
I could... but I'm afraid that would give others a clue about my list. Currently, there are 12 foreign films on my list.

[gandalf26]

I could... but I'm afraid that would give others a clue about my list. Currently, there are 12 foreign films on my list.

Well you could pm me if thats ok.

[Miss Vicky]

You will also have to pester Harry Lime with pm's asking for certain films to be taken off and changed.


No. He already said that once lists are submitted they are final and he will not allow ANY changes.

Like I said, all of the movies I've chosen are long time favorites. Many of them I've loved since the date of their release, meaning they've held special places in my heart for a dozen years or more. No new favorite is going to change that.

[Daniel M]

Great stuff, really looking forward to this. Probably wont submit my list for a while to see if I end up watching any more great films from the 90s, at the moment I have 5 definite films on my list and quite a few others which I think will make it.

[Harry Lime]

No. He already said that once lists are submitted they are final and he will not allow ANY changes.
That's right, no exceptions.

[Brodinski]

Here's mine took me quite literally minutes to put this together... +Rep away :D

01 Alien 3
02 Starship Troopers
03 Tremors
04 Die Hard With A Vengeance
05 Se7en
06 The Fifth Element
07 Total Recall
08 Jurassic Park
09 Independence Day
10 Terminator 2: Judgment Day
11 Saving Private Ryan
12 Leon
13 Speed
14 The Big Lebowski
15 Scream
16 Unforgiven
17 Daylight
18 Dumb And Dumber
19 Cliffhanger
20 Point Break
21 Ghost
22 The Silence Of The Lambs
23 The Lion King
24 Flatliners
25 Universal Soldier


Cool.

Here's mine:

1. Flubber
2. Volcano
3. Home Alone 3
4. Chairman of the Board
5. Baby Geniuses
6. Barney's Great Adventure
7. 3 Ninjas: High Noon at Mega Mountain
8. Metro
9. Plump Fiction
10. Cop and a Half
11. Eraser
12. Street Fighter
13. Highlander II
14. Cool as Ice
15. Cyborg 2
16. Batman and Robin
17. Kazaam
18. Speed 2
19. Godzilla
20. Rocky V
21. The Haunting
22. Tomorrow Never Dies
23. Terminal Velocity
24. The Peacemaker
25. Waterworld

[Pyro Tramp]

My one stipulation is that everyone votes for Army of Darkness

[The Prestige]

Vote for Following and i'll make sure to vote for Darkness

[donniedarko]

Vote for Following and i'll make sure to vote for Darkness

Don't worry Prestiege, Following will be on my list. And I ask for nothing in return

[TheUsualSuspect]

Cool.

Here's mine:

1. Flubber
2. Volcano
3. Home Alone 3
4. Chairman of the Board
5. Baby Geniuses
6. Barney's Great Adventure
7. 3 Ninjas: High Noon at Mega Mountain
8. Metro
9. Plump Fiction
10. Cop and a Half
11. Eraser
12. Street Fighter
13. Highlander II
14. Cool as Ice
15. Cyborg 2
16. Batman and Robin
17. Kazaam
18. Speed 2
19. Godzilla
20. Rocky V
21. The Haunting
22. Tomorrow Never Dies
23. Terminal Velocity
24. The Peacemaker
25. Waterworld


......I like Waterworld

[Miss Vicky]

I also like Waterworld.

[gandalf26]

Cool.

Here's mine:

1. Flubber
2. Volcano
3. Home Alone 3
4. Chairman of the Board
5. Baby Geniuses
6. Barney's Great Adventure
7. 3 Ninjas: High Noon at Mega Mountain
8. Metro
9. Plump Fiction
10. Cop and a Half
11. Eraser
12. Street Fighter
13. Highlander II
14. Cool as Ice
15. Cyborg 2
16. Batman and Robin
17. Kazaam
18. Speed 2
19. Godzilla
20. Rocky V
21. The Haunting
22. Tomorrow Never Dies
23. Terminal Velocity
24. The Peacemaker
25. Waterworld

I see what you did there.:D

Personally I would have had Highlander 2 at no.1.

[TylerDurden99]

Waterworld, Eraser and Godzilla are all fine, enjoyable films.

[Sexy Celebrity]

My list (which I've started working on and could send in anywhere from minutes to now to months from now, depending on where my moods take me) is probably going to look similar to Rodent's and Brodinski's. I love too many "bad" movies from the 90's.

[Brodinski]

Waterworld, Eraser and Godzilla are all fine, enjoyable films.

Much like kiteboarding is a fine, enjoyable experience too... until you crash onto the beach and die.

[The Rodent]

I reckon Harry should actually take that as Brod's list... just because.

[meatwadsprite]

I see what you did there.:D

Personally I would have had Highlander 2 at no.1.

Kazaam should be higher.

[Guaporense]

I have sent my list. There are 10 foreign language films, 15 English language films (including one French film made in English). There are 20 live action films and 5 animated films.

[Guaporense]

No. He already said that once lists are submitted they are final and he will not allow ANY changes.

Like I said, all of the movies I've chosen are long time favorites. Many of them I've loved since the date of their release, meaning they've held special places in my heart for a dozen years or more. No new favorite is going to change that.

My favorite film list had some severe shocks when I watched some categories of films that I wasn't aware before (i.e. foreign language films).

My 25 1990's favorites list, though, is not going to change over the next 5 months because I plan to watch more old films and more films from the last 12 years instead of 1990's films.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I just sent my list in... I will reveal 5 movies on my list in case any of you want to help them gain points:

Pump Up The Volume
Scream 2
Kindergarten Cop
The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert
A Very Brady Sequel

That is all.

[Harry Lime]

Pump Up The Volume
Scream 2
Kindergarten Cop
The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert
A Very Brady Sequel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYj7T9eEQ4U

[Sexy Celebrity]

^^ I remember when you used that video for my Battle of the MoFos game (which you won).

[Brodinski]

I just sent my list in... I will reveal 5 movies on my list in case any of you want to help them gain points:

Pump Up The Volume
Scream 2
Kindergarten Cop
The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert
A Very Brady Sequel

That is all.

You know, it's a best of the 90s list. Not worst.

[The Rodent]

Broods is at it again... "My movies could beat up your movies"

[Brodinski]

To each his own of course. It's all in good fun, and I've always been like that. Meh.

[Godoggo]

Not saying it will be on my list (and I'm not saying it's not), but The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert is a fantastic film.

[rauldc14]

I have 20 films that are figuring to be locks for my list. The other 5 are potentially up for grabs between now and June.

[The Rodent]

Judging by your Top 10, D, Shawshank is #1, Unforgiven should be #2...

:D

[Harry Lime]

^^ I remember when you used that video for my Battle of the MoFos game (which you won).
I can use it in response to about half of your posts.

[honeykid]

Wouldn't make my list, but I love A Very Brady Sequel. Naturally, I prefer the first, though. :D

[Thursday Next]

The Adventures of Priscilla Queen of the Desert is one of the best movies of the nineties. Not sure it'll make my final 25, but it's close.

"That's all this country needs, a cock in a frock on a rock."

[Sexy Celebrity]

Wouldn't make my list, but I love A Very Brady Sequel. Naturally, I prefer the first, though. :D

I don't prefer the first at all. It's not bad - it's funny - but the sequel is way better, in my opinion. I really enjoy it - it's campy, it's wild, it's got good humor, it's got RuPaul, Zsa Zsa Gabor and Rosie O'Donnell, it's got non-porn incest, it's got Hawaii and a drug induced cartoon sequence. I think it's a gem.

[Sexy Celebrity]

The Adventures of Priscilla Queen of the Desert is one of the best movies of the nineties. Not sure it'll make my final 25, but it's close.

"That's all this country needs, a cock in a frock on a rock."

It would be a damn shame if it didn't make the countdown.

[donniedarko]

I'm gonna rewatch both my potential number ones before submitting, since neither are on my top 10 I guess I'm even keeping that secret. Well if you've seen my Top 31 horror list, than you know one of the two potential winners.

That is if I don't see a new number one by June...

[meatwadsprite]

I've been plowing (fast-forwarding) through a lot of 90's stuff for this. Attempting to construct the ultimate list.

[Cobpyth]

Damn. It's really hard to make this list. I narrowed it down to 60 names now, with 12 who are sure to appear.
How do you guys actually make these top 25-lists? Some films are very hard to compare to eachother, in my opinion.

[Skepsis93]

I do it in a flimsy, best-I-can-do-so-screw-it kinda way.

[Guaporense]

Damn. It's really hard to make this list. I narrowed it down to 60 names now, with 12 who are sure to appear.
How do you guys actually make these top 25-lists? Some films are very hard to compare to eachother, in my opinion.

I filled out mostly using the 1990's films from my top 100 favorites. The ordering was pretty much the same as in my top 100 favorites. Them I filled out remembering the other most memorable films I watched from the 1990's.

Though you appear to have watched a greater number of films than I did, so it may be harder to narrow it down.

[meatwadsprite]

Damn. It's really hard to make this list. I narrowed it down to 60 names now, with 12 who are sure to appear.
How do you guys actually make these top 25-lists? Some films are very hard to compare to eachother, in my opinion.

Whatever one has the coolest DVD cover.

[Sleezy]

When is the deadline?

EDIT: Nevermind, I got it. Duh, forgot to look at the first page.

[Miss Vicky]

How do you guys actually make these top 25-lists?

I just go with my gut feeling of which ones I love best, while also factoring in things like originality and, for this list, how well the films represent what I picture when I think of the decade.

Edit: I should add that if I truly love a movie, it'll be found in my DVD collection(http://www.angelfire.com/music6/walteregan/TorysMovies/Year.html#90). So I start by copying and pasting the qualifying movies from my website and then start eliminating and arranging them according to the factors listed above.

[Yoda]

I write down the ones I can think of offhand, check years, and then I check some "Best Of" lists to see if I'm forgetting anything (which always happens, as I'm not really used to thinking of movies in terms of specific decades).

Then I put them into rough tiers, and then just do comparisons. I look at one and ask myself whether or not I like it more or less than the ones just above or below it, move it up or down correspondingly, and repeat for awhile. A few minutes later, I've got a pretty decent approximation of my preferences. At that moment in time, at least.

[linespalsy]

I already have lists of every movie I've ever (remembered having) seen ranked and organized by year-of-release. I put together my top overall 25 from that list and between now and when I submit it I'll go back and look at it periodically, until I feel okay with the ranking.

[gandalf26]

Doesn't seem to be a lot of Micheal Mann love on the forums but I just want to remind people of his 3 amazing 90's films.

Last of the Mohicans
Heat
The Insider

[rauldc14]

I was scrolling through my 1001 Films you must see before you die book and sure enough-- The Adventures of Priscilla: Queen of the Desert

[Cobpyth]

I already have lists of every movie I've ever (remembered having) seen ranked and organized by year-of-release. I put together my top overall 25 from that list and between now and when I submit it I'll go back and look at it periodically, until I feel okay with the ranking.

I also have a list like that (but alphabetically ordered). I'm just having difficulties comparing some movies with eachother. Oh well, I still have some time. I already have my number 1, so that's already something!

[Guaporense]

I was scrolling through my 1001 Films you must see before you die book and sure enough-- The Adventures of Priscilla: Queen of the Desert

The authors of that book surely had to fill out 1001 films, so they truly had to use anything available. I watched, I think, only a little over twice that number of films over my life. Usually these greatest movies lists have like 250 movies, so you can keep out anything that's not surely gold.

Anyway, that book has some crappy movies and they left some obvious classics as well.

[Godoggo]

I already have lists of every movie I've ever (remembered having) seen ranked and organized by year-of-release. I put together my top overall 25 from that list and between now and when I submit it I'll go back and look at it periodically, until I feel okay with the ranking.

Overachiever. :p

[honeykid]

I could knock up a list fairly quickly, but I'm hoping to revisit some old favourites, as well as a few I'm unsure of, before the deadline.

[Gabrielle947]

So,any recommendations what to watch? :D

[Mr Minio]

Satantango

[Tyler1]

Showgirls

[honeykid]

I know that's an attempt at irony, but Showgirls is definately worth watching.

[HitchFan97]

So,any recommendations what to watch? :D

Short Cuts

[Skepsis93]

Here's my watchlist for this one.

Unforgiven
Dances With Wolves
Malcolm X
Sling Blade
Titanic
Braveheart
The Usual Suspects
The Sixth Sense
Barton Fink
JFK
Dead Man Walking
The Piano
Quiz Show
Jackie Brown
Short Cuts
Shakespeare in Love
The English Patient
Scream
Three Colours: Red
Breaking the Waves
Secrets and Lies
Miller's Crossing
In the Name of the Father
Three Kings
Eyes Wide Shut
The Fisher King
Edward Scissorhands
As Good As It Gets
Princess Mononoke
Out of Sight
A Few Good Men
The People vs. Larry Flint
Slacker
12 Monkeys
Jerry Maguire
The Last of the Mohicans
Pretty Woman
Misery

[Gabrielle947]

Showgirls doesn't caught my eye and Satantango is just too long.Short Cuts looks interesting,I used to love comedy and drama mix. :)


Ok,I made my short watchlist of films I'll deifinitely see: JFK,The Funeral,The Fifth Element,Barton Fink

[Mr Minio]

Satantango is just too long. But it's worth every minute.

[Godoggo]

So,any recommendations what to watch? :D

Here is a link to some of the members top 10: http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=27860 That will probably give you some ideas.

I'd also use google. You can search some best of lists from the 90's and go genre specific so you can get off the beaten path a bit. For example: Best foreign movies of the 90's, best horror, best independent movies, and so on. Shop around. You have plenty of time to watch a lot of movies and come up with a personal list

[gandalf26]

I feel like there are so many good films from the 90's that it's going to be difficult to finalise a 25.

Maybe we could make it a top 50 instead. I just know I'm going to have a page with about 40 films on it and a cold sweat running down my face trying to get 25.

[Miss Vicky]

Showgirls doesn't caught my eye


Something tells me that Tyler1 was kidding about Showgirls.

That said it's actually a fun watch. Campy, crappy and entertaining as hell.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I almost put Showgirls on my 90's list.

[Tyler1]

I've submitted my list. I shall now go sit in a corner and wait for July 1st.

[Brodinski]

Doesn't seem to be a lot of Micheal Mann love on the forums

The guy will get plenty of support from me. I'm probably his biggest fan on this forum. Miami Vice and Public Enemies barely missed out my Top 25 of the Millium cut.

[gandalf26]

The guy will get plenty of support from me. I'm probably his biggest fan on this forum. Miami Vice and Public Enemies barely missed out my Top 25 of the Millium cut.

I'm a rival for his biggest fan on mofo's then. He is my personal favourite Director. Basically love all his film work although "The Keep" was a bit meh, just saw that for the first time recently.

These I would rate as 10/10 perfection.

Thief
Manhunter (Probably the best)
Heat
The Insider
Collateral
Last of the Mohicans

9/10

Ali
Public Enemies

8/10 or worse

Miami Vice
The Keep

Really hope he makes a few more films now that "Luck" has been cancelled.

[Guaporense]

My top 25 list for the 90's:

25. Once Upon a Time in China/Wong Fei Hung (Hark Tsui) (1991)

24. Fireworks/Hana-bi (Takeshi Kitano) (1997)

23. The Big Lebowski (1998)

22. Central Station/Central do Brasil (Walter Salles) (1999)

21. Saving Private Ryan (1998)

20. Madadayo (Akira Kurosawa) (1993)

19. Forrest Gump (1994)

18. Ghost in the Shell/Kôkaku kidôtai (Mamoru Oshii) (1995)

17. The Truman Show (1998)

16. Leon: The Professional (1994)

15. In The Name of the Father (1993)

14. Unforgiven (1993)

13. Eyes Wide Shut (1999)

12. Terminator 2 (1991)

11. Goodfellas (1990)

10. The Shawshamk Redemption (1994)

9. Dreams (Akira Kurosawa) (1990)

8. The Matrix (1999)

7. Gattaca (1997)

6. Pulp Fiction (1994)

5. Porco Rosso/Kurenai no buta (Hayao Miyazaki) (1992)

4. Schindler's List (1993)

3. Whisper of the Heart/Mimi wo sumaseba (Yoshifumi Kondo) (1995)

2. Only Yesterday/Omohide poro poro (Isao Takahata) (1991)

1st. Princess Mononoke/Mononoke Hime (Hayao Miyazaki) (1997)hi

Note that 1st place didn't show up in my top 100 because I consider it a remake of my 2nd place in my top 10 of all time, that means it is my favorite conventional movie of all time (i.e. conventional in the sense that's based on storytelling, has a linear plot, etc).

So the best "normal" movie of the 1990's, in my opinion, is my 4th place, Schindler's List. All the top 3 are Ghibli movies. I would advise people to watch Princess Mononoke with subtitles because the dubbed version is much weaker. Also, Only Yesterday might be a more accessible anime film since it is a slice of live drama without anything that might be considered silly (like talking animals).

I watched Lars von Trier, Breaking the Waves recently. It is excellent, I could put into my list in the last places, but it wouldn't make any difference anyway, as the last places gather very few points.

[Guaporense]

The guy will get plenty of support from me. I'm probably his biggest fan on this forum. Miami Vice and Public Enemies barely missed out my Top 25 of the Millium cut.

I was never able to watch any of his movies except Collateral, which I rate as excellent (4).

[Miss Vicky]

Just a reminder to people who are participating:

And it's not officially a rule, but it would be preferred if members kept their lists private until after the full list has been unveiled. Thanks.

[Guaporense]

Here's my watchlist for this one.

My ratings for some of these:

Unforgiven 4_5
Malcolm X 4
Titanic 3_5
Braveheart 4
The Usual Suspects 3_5
The Sixth Sense 4
Shakespeare in Love 4
The English Patient 4
Scream 3
Three Colours: Red 4 (the best part of the trilogy IMO, though that's like The Return of the King in the sense that it was the climax that build up to that point)
Breaking the Waves 4_5
Secrets and Lies 4
In the Name of the Father 4_5
Eyes Wide Shut 4_5
Edward Scissorhands 4
Princess Mononoke 5
12 Monkeys 4
Jerry Maguire 3_5

I wouldn't recommend P.M. as much to other people as I recommend to myself, however, as it is not easy to get unlike other audiovisual media (it just has too much "silly" stuff in it for ordinary film buffs to swallow). Only Yesterday is the anime film for people who are not anime fans to watch, IMO.

[Guaporense]

Just a reminder to people who are participating:

I am just trying to get people to watch Only Yesterday to get it into the top 100! :p

[Miss Vicky]

I am just trying to get people to watch Only Yesterday to get it into the top 100! :p

Yeah, we get it. You like anime. A lot.

[Thursday Next]

I watched Lars von Trier, Breaking the Waves recently. It is excellent, I could put into my list in the last places, but it wouldn't make any difference anyway, as the last places gather very few points.

Then why put anything in the last places at all? Submit a top 20 if you don't think it's worth submitting a top 25, but don't leave off good films based on assumptions about what other people will vote for. I think there are a lot of good films like Breaking the Waves which have a good chance of making the final 100, but no chance if people don't vote for them.

I have no intention of posting my list early especially since we have specifically been asked not to do so. But there's a good chance Breaking the Waves will be on it.

[Yoda]

I am just trying to get people to watch Only Yesterday to get it into the top 100! :p
That sounds like a reason to talk about that film, then, rather than post the whole list, which Harry made it pretty clear he'd rather people not do.

[Harry Lime]

NEW RULE

Okay then, since some people can't play proper without official rules, from this point on if you post your list here it will automatically be disqualified.

(original post edited to reflect this)

[donniedarko]

I'm glad it's official now Harry. I think this will make it way more intresting.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I really don't understand the obsession with Pulp Fiction. I like the movie -- I have a framed picture of the poster, in fact -- I used to have a t-shirt of the poster (I don't think I still do, unfortunately -- it was a rad t-shirt.)

It's a good movie, but I don't understand why it's... like, gotta be #1 when it comes to the 90's. How many people REALLY love Pulp Fiction that much? How many times have you watched it?

It's not that I feel the praise is overrated, but... it's like a god among movies. I'm over it. It is not some kind of holy grail. It was just a movie that really put Quentin Tarantino on the map. And I don't think it's really that incredible of a movie. It is just a movie like so many other movies I have seen. Sure, it's made well and it's something I'd watch more than once - and I have - but I would never sell my soul to it. I wouldn't profess it to be better than other things I really love more.

[linespalsy]

Pulp Fiction just missed my top ten for 1994 (a very good year), so I don't think it'll make my list either.

[ScarletLion]

It is just a movie like so many other movies I have seen.

Can you make a list of these movies so I can go out and buy them. Thanks

Pulp Fiction tore up trees for me. I was astounded at the whole "coolness" of it. From the interwoven stories to the extremely memorable dialogue and bit parts.

I mean how do you make such a memorable scene about Burgers or Samoans or watches, and actually remember this dialogue for months on end?

It was also on the verge of spawning a new (but cringeworthy) dance move. Not a testament of a great movie, but a significant achievement ;)

[honeykid]

All the dance moves were previously known.

[ScarletLion]

all the dance moves were previously known.

:d:d

[Daniel M]

I've seen Pulp Fiction more than any other film, it is one film that I can watch other and other again, loving it every time. People dislike it/think it is overrated for the same reasons people like me love it I think, it might seem pointless but it just oozes 'cool', the characters, the fantastic dialogue and hilarious scenes, just brilliant.

[gandalf26]

It's going to be hard to fathom Pulp Fiction not being no.1. I think it's a very good film but probably won't make my list.

[wintertriangles]

I'm not even considering it personally. My enjoyment of that movie will always be there but other films deserve some spotlight.

[Yoda]

So you're not picking the top 25, you're voting strategically? Interesting.

I don't mind telling anyone that Pulp Fiction will definitely be on my list. But exactly where, I shall not say.

[Sexy Celebrity]

The Top 6 MoFo Movies of the 1990's:

1.) Pulp Fiction
2.) Goodfellas
3.) Forrest Gump
4.) Jurassic Park
5.) Schindler's List
6.) The Shawshank Redemption

[wintertriangles]

So you're not picking the top 25, you're voting strategically? Interesting.

I don't mind telling anyone that Pulp Fiction will definitely be on my list. But exactly where, I shall not say.My watch list is insanely big for this decade and I don't feel the need to acknowledge one of the most popular films ever, especially when most everyone else will, and I mean that in the least snobby way possible. That's probably the only one I'm consciously excluding, so I guess it's less strategic than you say.

[Harry Lime]

The Top 6 MoFo Movies of the 1990's:

1.) Pulp Fiction
2.) Goodfellas
3.) Forrest Gump
4.) Jurassic Park
5.) Schindler's List
6.) The Shawshank Redemption

Where is the money, Lebowski?

[Sexy Celebrity]

Where is the money, Lebowski?

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[Harry Lime]

Free Parking!

[Sexy Celebrity]

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[syj]

Can documentaries be included in our lists, or is this limited to feature films? Because Hoop Dreams is probably one of my favorites of the 90s.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Yes.

[mark f]

Yes.

[syj]

Thanks!

[Godoggo]

My watch list is insanely big for this decade and I don't feel the need to acknowledge one of the most popular films ever, especially when most everyone else will, and I mean that in the least snobby way possible. That's probably the only one I'm consciously excluding, so I guess it's less strategic than you say.

That's a big ditto from me.

[Miss Vicky]

I think Sexy's got the top 6 wrong this time. I can't see Gump beating Shawshank. The Oscars be damned. Oh and if Lebowski isn't top 5, I'm gonna be pissed.

I voted with my gut. I went with the movies I like best, regardless of their popularity. And in this case, I expect a very high percentage of the movies I voted for to make the final cut. And yes, Pulp Fiction was on my list, though only Harry Lime and I will know where until the countdown begins.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I think Sexy's got the top 6 wrong this time. I can't see Gump beating Shawshank. The Oscars be damned. Oh and if Lebowski isn't top 5, I'm gonna be pissed.

It won't be, so start getting over it.

I voted with my gut. I went with the movies I like best, regardless of their popularity. And in this case, I expect a very high percentage of the movies I voted for to make the final cut. And yes, Pulp Fiction was on my list, though only Harry Lime and I will know where until the countdown begins.

Since everyone is talking about whether or not Pulp Fiction was on their list... it wasn't on my list. I'll reveal that.

But A Very Brady Sequel was (I mentioned that BEFORE Harry Lime's new rule, okay?)

I'm starting to feel a little less thrilled about my list, but, I remember that I voted strategically, so....

[Tyler1]

Pulp Fiction was NOT on my list. That's not to say that it's not a good movie, just that there are so many films which deserve to be in any top 100 of the decade - films that I don't see appearing in anyone's list.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Gosh, with so many lists not having Pulp Fiction, maybe I'm deadly wrong about that film being #1.

[Miss Vicky]

Pulp Fiction was NOT on my list. That's not to say that it's not a good movie, just that there are so many films which deserve to be in any top 100 of the decade - films that I don't see appearing in anyone's list.

This whole line of reasoning baffles me - including or not including movies based on how other people are going to vote. Why do people not just vote for the movies they actually love best? Strategic voting just backfires. If you don't include certain movies because you don't think they have a chance of making the list, then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy because the loss of your vote may very well mean that they won't make the cut. Conversely, if you vote for movies that you don't really love most, but think they should be in the list, then the ones you intentionally excluded may not make it to the spot they actually deserve to be in, while the ones you voted for in their place may still not make it at all.

[Cobpyth]

Just put in the movies that you liked the most! It's the only way to a truthful list.

[Tyler1]

This whole line of reasoning baffles me - including or not including movies based on how other people are going to vote. Why do people not just vote for the movies they actually love best? Strategic voting just backfires. If you don't include certain movies because you don't think they have a chance of making the list, then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy because the loss of your vote may very well mean that they won't make the cut. Conversely, if you vote for movies that you don't really love most, but think they should be in the list, then the ones you intentionally excluded may not make it to the spot they actually deserve to be in, while the ones you voted for in their place may still not make it at all.

Most of the movies that SC have identified definitely do not deserve the spot they're in. It's not strategic voting. I truly believe that these movies (Pulp Fiction, Goodfellas) are not worthy of being top 25 material. What's so baffling about that?

[honeykid]

Deserve the spot they're in? It's his list. So long as he says they're in the right spot, they're in the right spot. If you just want to list the 'best' films of the 90's, go ahead, but that ain't this list.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Deserve the spot they're in? It's his list. So long as he says they're in the right spot, they're in the right spot. If you just want to list the 'best' films of the 90's, go ahead, but that ain't this list.

That's not my list. That's just my early, early prediction for the top 6.

[Godoggo]

I had so many movies that I wanted to include and when it came to the bottom five there were quite a few movies that I wanted to put in there and I felt just about equal in how I felt about them. So am I going to put in the movie I know a lot of people love, or am I going to try to give another movie a chance? It's still an honest list. We only get 25. I had to use all sorts of reasoning to whittle it down.

[wintertriangles]

It would only be ridiculous reasoning of me if I thought it was immensely better than anything in my top 25. Otherwise, what Tyler and Godoggo said.

[Sexy Celebrity]

The last few movies on your Top 25 list are the worst to ponder about which to put strategically because like your #25 movie -- worth 1 point -- is gonna do much. I almost put It's Pat: The Movie as my 25th movie just for the hell of it.

[Miss Vicky]

Most of the movies that SC have identified definitely do not deserve the spot they're in. It's not strategic voting. I truly believe that these movies (Pulp Fiction, Goodfellas) are not worthy of being top 25 material. What's so baffling about that?

What does SC's prediction have to do with anything? I'm talking in general terms here. And I've seen several people here and in the previous countdowns talk about how they didn't vote for ______ because it had no chance of making it and they would rather see a higher percentage of their picks make the final list or that they didn't vote for _______ because it was going to make the list with or without their vote so it didn't matter.

And there are a couple of movies in Sexy's prediction that I don't think deserve to be top 25, but Pulp Fiction isn't one of them. Not that it matters. The ultimate list isn't supposed to represent Miss Vicky's Top 100 Movies of the 90s or Tyler1's Top 100 Movies of the 90s. It's supposed to represent the tastes of MoFos as a collective.

[wintertriangles]

It's supposed to represent the tastes of MoFos as a collective.It will...so wtf is the problem haha

A couple of us clearly laid out that our lists could include Pulp Fiction, or some insanely popular film, but our lists could JUST AS EASILY include films that don't get recognized. If the films in the running for our lists are considered on the same level, it's not strategic anything.

[Guaporense]

Most of the movies that SC have identified definitely do not deserve the spot they're in. It's not strategic voting. I truly believe that these movies (Pulp Fiction, Goodfellas) are not worthy of being top 25 material. What's so baffling about that?

I think that the more films a person views, the less likely popular favorites, such as Pulp Fiction, will appear on their list.

I still think, however, that Pulp Fiction is awesome, true, it is not the high art but its entertainment value if off the scale, for me at least.

[Miss Vicky]

I think that the more films a person views, the less likely popular favorites, such as Pulp Fiction, will appear on their list.


On the other hand, films often become popular favorites because they are great movies.

[Guaporense]

The Top 6 MoFo Movies of the 1990's:

1.) Pulp Fiction
2.) Goodfellas
3.) Forrest Gump
4.) Jurassic Park
5.) Schindler's List
6.) The Shawshank Redemption

The top 25 movies of the 1990's by IMDB ratings:

1- The Shawshank Redemption
2 - Pulp Fiction
3 - Schindler's List
4 - Fight Club
5 - Goodfellas
6 - Forrest Gump
7 - The Matrix
8 - Seven
9 - The Silence of the Lambs
10 - The Usual Suspects
11 - Leon: The Professional
12 - American History X
13 - Terminator 2
14 - Saving Private Ryan
15 - Life is Beautiful
16 - American Beauty
17 - The Green Mile
18 - Reservoir Dogs
19 - The Lion King
20 - L.A. Confidential
21 - Braveheart
22 - Princess Mononoke
23 - Unforgiven
24 - Toy Story
25 - Heat

I have watched all of those. Many of these movies are in my top 25, signalling my lack of film viewing experience. The worst movies out of these 25 would be Heat and The Lion King (still decent, though).

[Guaporense]

On the other hand, films often become popular favorites because they are great movies.

Well, the definition of a great movie is one that is liked by a lot of people. Either that, or it is a movie that influenced a lot of other movies, also strongly correlated with being liked by a lot of people.

The more a person watches movies, the less correlated his favorites tend to be with the popular favorites, as she or he will watch more and more obscure movies. Hence, the less "great movies" show up in their favorites lists and the less correlated his/hers favorite list will be with the popular favorites (such as the IMDB top 25 of the 1990's I posted above).

[Miss Vicky]

Well, the definition of a great movie is one that is liked by a lot of people. Either that, or it is a movie that influenced a lot of other movies, also strongly correlated with being liked by a lot of people.

And whose definition is that?


The more a person watches movies, the less correlated his favorites tend to be with the popular favorites, as she or he will watch more and more obscure movies.

Not necessarily. Someone can watch lots of obscure films, even enjoy and respect many of them, but still not rate them as favorites. It all comes down to personal taste.

[BlueLion]

I really don't understand the obsession with Pulp Fiction. I like the movie -- I have a framed picture of the poster, in fact -- I used to have a t-shirt of the poster (I don't think I still do, unfortunately -- it was a rad t-shirt.)

It's a good movie, but I don't understand why it's... like, gotta be #1 when it comes to the 90's. How many people REALLY love Pulp Fiction that much? How many times have you watched it?

It's not that I feel the praise is overrated, but... it's like a god among movies. I'm over it. It is not some kind of holy grail. It was just a movie that really put Quentin Tarantino on the map. And I don't think it's really that incredible of a movie. It is just a movie like so many other movies I have seen. Sure, it's made well and it's something I'd watch more than once - and I have - but I would never sell my soul to it. I wouldn't profess it to be better than other things I really love more.

Well, that's just like, your opinion, man.

I think Pulp Fiction is a masterpiece. I've only seen it three times, and when I enjoy a film so much as I enjoyed Pulp Fiction, I tend not to watch it very often.

In my opinion Pulp Fiction is one of the most memorable films ever made. Personally, quite often I find myself in real life situations where I'm reminded of the movie and some of the scenes in particular. For instance, almost each time I have a cheese burger the burger scene springs to mind, each time I have a milkshake the first thing that comes to my mind is Vincent's "That's a pretty f-ing good milkshake" line. This is why I love this movie so much, the characters in the movie talk about ordinary stuff yet they make it seem so cool, and everything just seems so natural.

I could talk about Pulp Fiction all day, but I'll just try and keep it short. Basically, if I was going to be stranded on a desert island with only one movie, Pulp Fiction would definitely be my first choice. It's the kind of movie that creates its own universe and glories in it.

[Cobpyth]

I really don't understand the obsession with Pulp Fiction. I like the movie -- I have a framed picture of the poster, in fact -- I used to have a t-shirt of the poster (I don't think I still do, unfortunately -- it was a rad t-shirt.)

It's a good movie, but I don't understand why it's... like, gotta be #1 when it comes to the 90's. How many people REALLY love Pulp Fiction that much? How many times have you watched it?

It's not that I feel the praise is overrated, but... it's like a god among movies. I'm over it. It is not some kind of holy grail. It was just a movie that really put Quentin Tarantino on the map. And I don't think it's really that incredible of a movie. It is just a movie like so many other movies I have seen. Sure, it's made well and it's something I'd watch more than once - and I have - but I would never sell my soul to it. I wouldn't profess it to be better than other things I really love more.

It's funny, cool, violent, stylish, fresh an contains great acting performances, colorful characters, awesome music and wondeful dialogue. It's just so much fun to watch it and that's why it's liked so much by most of the people.

The film also had a huge influence on other movies and it launched one of the greatest and most entertaining directors of our time.

It's just a memorable picture for many reasons and that's why it will be pretty high on my list.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I'm going to go watch Pulp Fiction - on Blu-ray. Review to follow. I hope I don't end up so enchanted by it that I regret not putting it on my list... but oh well, it's going to make the collective list anyway.

Everyone has said Pulp Fiction is "cool." What I want to know is... why does everyone find it "cool?" Isn't it interesting that everyone says it's cool? Just what exactly is "cool?" Were we sold that it was "cool" or do we believe, deep within us, that it's exactly what "cool" should be? And where do those feelings originate from?

People don't say Jackie Brown is "cool" but I think it's sort of the same ballpark as Pulp Fiction. Dare I wonder if it's because Pam Grier, a woman, is what you think of when you think of that movie, and Pulp Fiction - even though Uma Thurman is on the poster - makes me think of Vincent and Jules as the leads? Is the "cool" this sort of masculine authority that Vincent and Jules give off? I think it is. And I think it's primitive (but good, not bad.)

[Cobpyth]

I'm going to go watch Pulp Fiction - on Blu-ray. Review to follow. I hope I don't end up so enchanted by it that I regret not putting it on my list... but oh well, it's going to make the collective list anyway.

Everyone has said Pulp Fiction is "cool." What I want to know is... why does everyone find it "cool?" Isn't it interesting that everyone says it's cool? Just what exactly is "cool?" Were we sold that it was "cool" or do we believe, deep within us, that it's exactly what "cool" should be? And where do those feelings originate from?

People don't say Jackie Brown is "cool" but I think it's sort of the same ballpark as Pulp Fiction. Dare I wonder if it's because Pam Grier, a woman, is what you think of when you think of that movie, and Pulp Fiction - even though Uma Thurman is on the poster - makes me think of Vincent and Jules as the leads? Is the "cool" this sort of masculine authority that Vincent and Jules give off? I think it is. And I think it's primitive (but good, not bad.)

Jackie Brown is also cool, in my opinion.

But what makes his movies cool is (for me) the ensemble of music/dialogue and actions/characters that Tarantino creates in some scenes. It's in all his movies.

Some examples:

Dancing, music and characters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ik-RsDGPI5Y

Driving, music and character:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgQHk5lEJJc

Walking, music and characters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2Xi3ioasik

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJlu_xo79k8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E84OWq6z3IQ

There are tons of other examples:
Street Life walking scene in Jackie Brown, Mr. Blonde cutting of the ear of the agent on Stuck in the Middle with you, cool dialogues between Vincent and Jules in their car, etc. (there are also many of these moments in Django and IB)

Tarantino is in my opinion really the king of cool and in Pulp Fiction he has the full potential to play his cards, because the main characters are two gangsters, a mob's wife, a mob boss, a boxer and a couple of drug addicts. What's cooler than hanging out with these guys in L.A. with awesome/funny situations and dialogue, accompanied with some stylish music?

[rauldc14]

I would just like to thank Harry Lime on his banning of posted lists in this thread. Was getting sick and tired of seeing people's lists as it not only somewhat kills suspense but it also gives people a chance to see films that they could vote for and get on the top 100 possibly.

[Daniel M]

I'm going to go watch Pulp Fiction - on Blu-ray. Review to follow. I hope I don't end up so enchanted by it that I regret not putting it on my list... but oh well, it's going to make the collective list anyway.

Everyone has said Pulp Fiction is "cool." What I want to know is... why does everyone find it "cool?" Isn't it interesting that everyone says it's cool? Just what exactly is "cool?" Were we sold that it was "cool" or do we believe, deep within us, that it's exactly what "cool" should be? And where do those feelings originate from?

People don't say Jackie Brown is "cool" but I think it's sort of the same ballpark as Pulp Fiction. Dare I wonder if it's because Pam Grier, a woman, is what you think of when you think of that movie, and Pulp Fiction - even though Uma Thurman is on the poster - makes me think of Vincent and Jules as the leads? Is the "cool" this sort of masculine authority that Vincent and Jules give off? I think it is. And I think it's primitive (but good, not bad.)

Okay Sexy, things that are cool about Pulp Fiction:

- Pumpkin and Honeybunny, the first scene is great when the music hits at the end
- Burger conversation
- John Travolta's laid back, druggy character
- Samuel L. Jackson, no explanation needed here, his awesome Ezekiel speech etc.
- The dialogue 'say what again', 'my name's Pitt, and you aint talkin' your way out of this ****', 'flock o' seagulls' etc. and that's just from one scene
- Awesome music, the whole soundtrack is great
- Jack Rabbit Slims, dancing scene
- Stoner guy and the adrenaline scene
- Shooting Marvin in the face
- Bruce Willis killing someone with a sword
- Zed's motorcycle, and that conversation Willis has with his wife about it
- Christopher Walken's appearance as Captain Koons
- Mr. Wolf, Harvey Keitel's character is calm, cool and classy.
- Jule's decision to retire, trying to explain it, and the bacon conversation
- How they just walk out at the end, putting the guns down their shorts, music playing etc.

I could go on about bits I think I cool, but I agree with you the coolness does come primarily from the male characters, it's just the calmness and how laid back Travolta and Jackson are together that make it great, stupid conversations, although their conversations are pointless it means you enjoy their characters and you can grow to love them, then there's Mr. Wolf who is a smartly dressed, suave and one of the calmest characters there is, and then Bruce Willis who is made out to be this strong alpha-male due to his boxing and how he rescues Marsellus Wallace.

You know that I love Jackie Brown too, and I think you guys should if both films will appear on my list. I agree that it deserves more attention and credit and definitely think that it is also an extremely 'cool' film. Pam Grier is awesome in it, but I loved how all the characters were different in that film, you have the strong women in Pam Grier, the quieter more innocent Robert Forster, the stoner and incapable De Niro character and then the criminal boss Samuel L. Jackson.

[gandalf26]

I'm sure that I read S.Jackson had to do like 50 takes for the tasty burger scene.

[rauldc14]

Just watched a nineties film that is sure to make my list. Not telling you what it is though. Realistically it may not have a shot anyways.

[Miss Vicky]

I'm sure that I read S.Jackson had to do like 50 takes for the tasty burger scene.

What I find most amusing about that scene is that Jules makes that speech about how his girlfriend is a vegetarian so he basically is one too. But Samuel L. Jackson really is a vegetarian and for awhile was the spokesperson for one of the veggie burger companies. Every time one of those commercials came on TV, I'd think about that scene.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I just finished watching Pulp Fiction. Here is my review:
PULP FICTION
(directed by Quentin Tarantino, 1994)

http://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=10143&stc=1&d=1361632075

This is a brutal movie. Not brutal like Commando or Predator brutal -- this movie is brutal on your soul. This movie is not light or carefree at all -- this film is hard hitting and angry at you. This movie is ready to scold you. This movie is the voice of God. And not a pleasant God, either. This is the God from The Bible -- this is the God who will strike down upon you with great vengeance. I am not big on the The Bible and I don't know it very well or study it in great detail -- but Pulp Fiction is The Bible translated for our modern age through the cinema.

http://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=10142&stc=1&d=1361632002

Pulp Fiction is a nasty movie with nasty truths. The Earth is evil. Laws cannot save us or protect us. Power can be attained through methods not morally responsible. Human beings are filth. Sainthood is rare and difficult to achieve. We all live in the ghetto -- we're all trapped in Hell. Life cannot play out as we plan it to be and at any moment, you could be blessed with luck or curse. For every angel, there is a demon.

http://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=10144&stc=1&d=1361633100

Pulp Fiction is the story of gangsters and drugs and criminals and rapist homosexuals and prizefighters that kill and $5 milkshakes and women who want potbellies and female taxi cab drivers named Esmeralda and dead bodies in your garage and stories of foot massages that led to violence and gold watches that spent years in men's asses.

The film is divided up into chapters and the story does not play out in order. What is the story of Pulp Fiction? It does not matter. For your enjoyment, you can connect everything and figure out how everything is supposed to go, but essentially, Pulp Fiction is pogo sticking from place to place and time to time. One minute a character has been killed, the next minute he's fully alive. Pulp Fiction is the eye of God that's well aware we're inside his eye, and He is allowing us to understand his perceptions of these people that he's focusing on. He WANTS us to understand what he's thinking and seeing.

http://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=10145&stc=1&d=1361633896

Quentin Tarantino might be a tool that God is using to speak to the masses. Pulp Fiction is God's loudest proclamation. That's why everyone loves it. That's why everyone finds it cool. That's why everyone paid attention to it.

People don't just find it COOL --- they find it really f**kin' scary. Pulp Fiction is serious business. It is a harsh reminder that God is still with us.

http://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=10146&stc=1&d=1361634219

And He's closer than you think.

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[gandalf26]

Just watched a nineties film that is sure to make my list. Not telling you what it is though. Realistically it may not have a shot anyways.

Was it "Street Fighter" featuring JCVD?

[Gabrielle947]

Most of the movies that SC have identified definitely do not deserve the spot they're in. It's not strategic voting. I truly believe that these movies (Pulp Fiction, Goodfellas) are not worthy of being top 25 material. What's so baffling about that?

I am starting to get annoyed about this.When I came on this forum,I noticed that some people who are film buffs and have seen probably 1000+ films tend to praise unknown arthouse films and they don't even appreciate the classics.I understand that,it's good that you want to make people aware of not so popular films,but when I read the discussion about which films to include in this 25 list,I felt like an idiot for liking Pulp Fiction as you made it look like true film lovers like films which no one has seen or even heard about.

Well,I'm proud to say that Pulp Fiction will be on my list,in top 5 definitely and I won't give reasons.I just love it.

[gandalf26]

^^^

The vast majority of my list will be "classics" of the 90's. Pulp Fiction is a great movie but it's just not a personal top 25.

I do know what you are driving at though, some people probably do overrate some of the smaller arthouse movies. I suppose there is an argument that this great arthouse film deserves higher credit than that big classic because it was made for like 1% of classics budget.

[TheUsualSuspect]

So SC.....would it make your list if you could resubmit?

[Sexy Celebrity]

So SC.....would it make your list if you could resubmit?

Yes, absolutely. But I understand why I didn't put it on there. It's fine. I, however, definitely see the movie differently now. My feelings for it have been renewed and are more improved. I've seen it with new eyes - not the eyes from when I rented the cassette back in the mid 90's.

Blu-ray and high definition movies... they really help give you a new experience. But so does aging and your own life experiences.

[HitchFan97]

Beautiful review, SC. As it stands right now, Pulp Fiction will be #2 on my list.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Well, thank you, Hitch!

[Guaporense]

I am starting to get annoyed about this.When I came on this forum,I noticed that some people who are film buffs and have seen probably 1000+ films tend to praise unknown arthouse films and they don't even appreciate the classics.I understand that,it's good that you want to make people aware of not so popular films,but when I read the discussion about which films to include in this 25 list,I felt like an idiot for liking Pulp Fiction as you made it look like true film lovers like films which no one has seen or even heard about.

Very experienced film lovers are those that watched many, many films over many years and so have watched so many more films rather than only the most famous ones. So, the probability of a very experienced film lover will tend to choose less well known films in his/her favorites lists.

This is not pretension on part of experienced film lovers: it is a natural fact that is easy to understand.

If you have two persons: one has watched over 2,000 1990's movies and another has watched 200 1990's movies, while both persons have watched Pulp Fiction, then, if you assume that the probability of these two persons loving Pulp Fiction is the same, the one who has watched 2,000 1990's movies will choose Pulp Fiction in his/hers top 25 of the 1990's with ten times less probability than the one who watched 200 1990's movies.

[Guaporense]

And whose definition is that?

Do you have a better definition of what is a great movie? If you do why don't you share it?

[Yoda]

The fact itself is not pretentious. How you express that fact, and how often you choose to reiterate it, however, may be.

[Guaporense]

The fact itself is not pretentious. How you express that fact, and how often you choose to reiterate it, however, may be.

I would call it rote learning.

Anyway, I my case, I stumbled upon a film named Only Yesterday, which I never had heard before. It has a score of only 7.7 on the IMDB but after I watched it, it felt like 10 times better than Pulp Fiction. And nobody outside of Japan knows it. The fact is that there are many great movies that are less well known than famous stuff like Pulp Fiction, but aren't in any way less great.

[Guaporense]

Just watched a nineties film that is sure to make my list. Not telling you what it is though. Realistically it may not have a shot anyways.

Only Yesterday? :D

:(

Who I am kidding. I guess I am the only person who will give points to Only Yesterday, the best drama film of the last two decades.

[Guaporense]

I just finished watching Pulp Fiction. Here is my review:

Interesting review. Still, I think Pulp Fiction is more like a comedy which uses violence for fun effect rather than anything serious like it can be taken from your review if you read it with your sarcasm detector turned off.

[Thursday Next]

I always thought Pulp Fiction's greatest strength is it's dark humour.

I think it's a good film, but it probably won't make my list because there's other films I like more. Reservoir Dogs, for one.

On the question of things like Pulp Fiction, Shawshank Redemption etc. being shoe-ins for the top ten - I think there's nothing wrong with people voting for them. There's no intrinsic value in voting for something more obscure. BUT I do think sometimes the more popular films sometimes get used as a kind of shorthand for good movies, by people who've heard they're good and haven't seen anything else and made up their minds for themselves. Then again, on the other hand, sometimes the popular films get held up as examples of good films because they really are good films.

I just think people should vote for what they like and not what they think 'ought' to be on the list.

[Miss Vicky]

Do you have a better definition of what is a great movie? If you do why don't you share it?


According to your definition (a great movie is one that is liked by a lot of people), Twilight's a ****ing masterpiece. Clearly, that's not right.

A great movie is one that is strong in at least several of these elements: plot, character development, cinematography, direction, acting, and (if applicable) special effects. A great movie is one that exceeds your expectations. It's one that stays with you for days, weeks, months or even years after you've seen it.

Simply having a lot of fans doesn't mean squat.


You need to understand and accept the fact that these countdowns are mainly about what movies the participating MoFos consider to be their favorites, not necessarily the movies they consider to be the best. And guess what? Movies - like Pulp Fiction - that are entertaining as hell are more likely to make appearances on more people's lists than some obscure foreign drama and not just because it's a Hollywood movie or because it's more famous. It's because it provides that escapist quality that is the reason why many of us watch movies in the first place. And having a movie like Pulp Fiction on your list says nothing about what movies you have or have not watched. It says only that you like to be entertained.

If more obscure films are your thing, go read a list from one of your precious Japanese critics and leave the rest of us to our fun.

[wintertriangles]

A great movie is one that is strong in at least several of these elements: plot, character development, cinematography, direction, acting, and (if applicable) special effects. Just gonna nitpick here and say plot is irrelevant to any story, it's what the characters do within it that matters. It's basically a jumping off point, nothing more.

[Miss Vicky]

Just gonna nitpick here and say plot is irrelevant to any story, it's what the characters do within it that matters. It's basically a jumping off point, nothing more.

Without plot there is no story.

[wintertriangles]

Without plot there is no story.And without a script with development there is no plot, but this is no chicken/egg question. A plot's meaning is hollow without the characters and what they do, but the characters and their actions/words can be equally interesting regardless of what the plot may be.

[Miss Vicky]

And without a script with development there is no plot, but this is no chicken/egg question. A plot's meaning is hollow without the characters and what they do, but the characters and their actions/words can be equally interesting regardless of what the plot may be.

We're going to just have to agree to disagree.

But please note that I did say that, to be great, a movie needs to be strong in at least several of the listed elements. Meaning greatness does not require strength in ALL of them.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Interesting review. Still, I think Pulp Fiction is more like a comedy which uses violence for fun effect rather than anything serious like it can be taken from your review if you read it with your sarcasm detector turned off.

There's no sarcasm. I would say Pulp Fiction is both serious and funny, but I think it's even more serious than I realized. It is pretty f**kin' hardcore.

And it's totally not like Jackie Brown. Jackie Brown really is like a very girly Tarantino film -- Kill Bill is even girlier -- compared to Pulp Fiction. Pulp Fiction is very masculine and brutal. It's like being murdered.

[wintertriangles]

We're going to just have to agree to disagree.

But please note that I did say that, to be great, a movie needs to be strong in at least several of the listed elements. Meaning greatness does not require strength in ALL of them.Oh I'm not disagreeing on that, it applies in any field. The dichotomy between you and Guaporense is just amusing to me, so I put myself in the middle :D

[Godoggo]

I would call it rote learning

What does rote learning have to do with expressing your self in a way that could be called
pretentious?

This I do know; someone can be a lover of any amount of movies with resorting to snobbery or being condescending. Just sayin'.

[wintertriangles]

This I do know; someone can be a lover of any amount of movies with resorting to snobbery or being condescending. Just sayin'.It's pretty difficult to learn the TONE of another language. Just a thought.

[Godoggo]

I understand that. I'm familiar with a lot of people that English is not their first language.

[rauldc14]

regardless of if they have a chance or not, Im voting for the 25 that i think are the best, not 25 that i like and think will make it

[donniedarko]

regardless of if they have a chance or not, Im voting for the 25 that i think are the best, not 25 that i like and think will make it

Didn't you almost leave off Man on Fire last year?

[rauldc14]

yes, i almost did. luckily a few more people voted for it

[HitchFan97]

Pulp Fiction is one of the most enjoyable films ever made, and therefore one of the best, in my book. I don't think Tarantino will ever top it. I never thought about it having a whole lot of substance outside of the various pop culture references, but SC's review has me thinking more about the reasoning behind the 'God's-eye-view' of the narrative. I've always loved the way it swings back and forth between humor and brutality- just like life.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I don't think Tarantino could ever top Pulp Fiction, either. Not that he needs to.

I think there is a God-like power to Pulp Fiction in many ways. I believe it's a deeply spiritual/religious movie. I believe it has a power to it that is deep inside human nature -- connecting to us all -- like religion. And I think that Quentin Tarantino basically became a God figure in order to make the movie -- I think the work is so strong that it literally made him divine. That he basically ASSERTED himself and practically proclaimed himself to be God through this movie. Which worked because the movie is basically a sort of religious parable, I guess.

I dunno. My speaking is wacko, but trust me, I believe that Pulp Fiction is a work of God, even if that God is Quentin Tarantino. I think it's interesting - at least to me - that here I am feeling so mesmerized by Pulp Fiction after years and years of not really caring much for it - and now Quentin Tarantino has won another Oscar (for Django Unchained) and he hasn't won one since his first with Pulp Fiction. Everything is playing out in sync. This is a message that Quentin Tarantino is serious business -- other-worldly -- divine -- a messenger of God.

[Daniel M]

I don't think Tarantino could ever top Pulp Fiction, either. Not that he needs to.

I think there is a God-like power to Pulp Fiction in many ways. I believe it's a deeply spiritual/religious movie. I believe it has a power to it that is deep inside human nature -- connecting to us all -- like religion. And I think that Quentin Tarantino basically became a God figure in order to make the movie -- I think the work is so strong that it literally made him divine. That he basically ASSERTED himself and practically proclaimed himself to be God through this movie. Which worked because the movie is basically a sort of religious parable, I guess.

I dunno. My speaking is wacko, but trust me, I believe that Pulp Fiction is a work of God, even if that God is Quentin Tarantino. I think it's interesting - at least to me - that here I am feeling so mesmerized by Pulp Fiction after years and years of not really caring much for it - and now Quentin Tarantino has won another Oscar (for Django Unchained) and he hasn't won one since his first with Pulp Fiction. Everything is playing out in sync. This is a message that Quentin Tarantino is serious business -- other-worldly -- divine -- a messenger of God.

Blessed is Sexy Celebrity, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the members of Movie Forums through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children.

[Gabrielle947]

Well, I think that Tarantino is able to top Pulp Fiction.Don't get me wrong - it is a masterpiece but QT might surprise us.

[wintertriangles]

He already did, even according to himself.

[honeykid]

Yes, but he picked the wrong film. :D

[meatwadsprite]

I don't think Tarantino could ever top Pulp Fiction, either. Not that he needs to. I think there is a God-like power to Pulp Fiction in many ways. I believe it's a deeply spiritual/religious movie. I believe it has a power to it that is deep inside human nature -- connecting to us all -- like religion. And I think that Quentin Tarantino basically became a God figure in order to make the movie -- I think the work is so strong that it literally made him divine. That he basically ASSERTED himself and practically proclaimed himself to be God through this movie. Which worked because the movie is basically a sort of religious parable, I guess.I dunno. My speaking is wacko, but trust me, I believe that Pulp Fiction is a work of God, even if that God is Quentin Tarantino. I think it's interesting - at least to me - that here I am feeling so mesmerized by Pulp Fiction after years and years of not really caring much for it - and now Quentin Tarantino has won another Oscar (for Django Unchained) and he hasn't won one since his first with Pulp Fiction. Everything is playing out in sync. This is a message that Quentin Tarantino is serious business -- other-worldly -- divine -- a messenger of God.

Jaws him.

[Guaporense]

According to your definition (a great movie is one that is liked by a lot of people), Twilight's a ****ing masterpiece. Clearly, that's not right.

Twilight is not considered a great movie by people who watch many movies and neither by adult people. I failed to explain my dentition of great movie:

A great movie is a movie that is loved by a large number of people that watch many movies and are a bit mature (like, over 14-15 years old). Basically, movies that are loved by large number of film buffs and critics.

The only people that love Twilight are 12 year old girls.

A great movie is one that is strong in at least several of these elements: plot, character development, cinematography, direction, acting, and (if applicable) special effects. A great movie is one that exceeds your expectations. It's one that stays with you for days, weeks, months or even years after you've seen it.

I found your post to be unjustifiably harsh.

First, art is subjective, what is considered good cinematography by some may be considered bad cinematography by others. What you might consider good plot, might be considered bad plot by others. In fact, your own views of what constitutes good plot, direction, acting, etc, tend to change with time.

Simply having a lot of fans doesn't mean squat.

Art is subjective. The only objective way of measuring the greatness of a work of art is that it is liked by many people other than yourself. Either that or your own subjective evaluation.

You need to understand and accept the fact that these countdowns are mainly about what movies the participating MoFos consider to be their favorites, not necessarily the movies they consider to be the best.

I don't understand how a person can differentiate the two notions: best movies and favorite movies. For me, the best movies are those that I liked the most.

And guess what? Movies - like Pulp Fiction - that are entertaining as hell are more likely to make appearances on more people's lists than some obscure foreign drama and not just because it's a Hollywood movie or because it's more famous.

What obscure foreign drama? All the movies that I placed higher than Pulp Fiction in my list are more popular than Pulp Fiction. In fact, they all are blockbuster movies while Pulp Fiction was a indie!

Miyazaki and Spielberg are the two most popular directors in their respective countries over the last three decades and 3 of the 5 movies I rated above Pulp fiction were made by these two directors.

I listed 5 movies above Pulp Fiction in my top 25. Schindler's List, which grossed 50% more than Pulp Fiction, Whisper of the Heart, which was the highest grossing Japanese movie in 1995, Only Yesterday, the highest grossing Jap movie of 1991, Porco Rosso, the highest grossing Jap movie of 1992 and Princess Mononoke, the highest grossing Jap movie of all time when it was released.

These movies are hugely popular. Just because they aren't widely know in your country doesn't mean they are obscure. Pulp Fiction is an obscure cult movie in relative terms if compared to these 4 anime blockbusters (oh yes, Only Yesterday is an animated foreign language slice of life Ozu-like drama film).

In terms of popularity and cultural impact Princess Mononoke is the equivalent to Star Wars in their respective countries. I find both better movies than Pulp Fiction.

It's because it provides that escapist quality that is the reason why many of us watch movies in the first place.

All the movies I rated above Pulp Fiction in my list are quite escapist entertainment. Only Yesterday is a drama, but also a blockbuster movie, its a drama more like Titanic in terms of accessibility than a Ingmar Bergman film.

Princess Mononoke is ultimate escapism on the level of Star Wars! I consider it the Star Wars of the 1990's.

You judge my favorites without ever watching them. You assume that a film is boring inaccessible art house drama movie just because it isn't a Hollywood movie!

In fact, most of my favorite non-English language movies are blockbuster movies. You haven't watched many non-English language movies and has already formed a prejudiced opinion about the entire output of films outside the United States and the United Kingdom.

If more obscure films are your thing, go read a list from one of your precious Japanese critics and leave the rest of us to our fun.

I was just explaining the logic behind the idea that Pulp Fiction can easily be considered to not be among the best of the decade since there are many movies that you would love that you never heard about.

I am just discovering this and indeed, Pulp Fiction is falling continuously in my favorites list since I began to watch more movies. It was my favorite from the 1990's about 2 years ago, in a time when I only knew the most famous American movies. Indeed, if you compare Pulp Fiction with the highest grossing stuff of the 1990's in the US (such as Titanic, Independence Day, etc, which were the movies I knew), I easily find it superior.

The assumption that movies that aren't well know in your country aren't entertaining is not a valid one and is only made by those that haven't watched many of these movies.

Your opinions on those matters are only the product of prejudice.

In fact, your favorite movie of the 1990's, The Big Lebowski, is a obscure film appreciated by a very narrow set of people since it grossed only 0.25% of the total US box office in 1998. Nothing compared with 10.6% for Princess Mononoke in the Japanese box office in 1997. A higher box office dominance than Titanic in the US in 1997. So who is the lover of obscure movies? And both are foreign language for me since I speak Portuguese.

[Guaporense]

regardless of if they have a chance or not, Im voting for the 25 that i think are the best, not 25 that i like and think will make it

What's the difference between the best movies and the movies you like the most?

I truly cannot understand this concept. For me the best movie I ever watched is my favorite movie. "Greatness" is a different concept because it incorporates the general appeal and influence of the movie over the population of film fans, critics and artists.

However, it appears that you may define as the better movie the one which is "technically" better. But, there isn't any absolute technical measure the quality of stuff like acting, plot, cinematography, etc.

[Guaporense]

What does rote learning have to do with expressing your self in a way that could be called pretentious?

This I do know; someone can be a lover of any amount of movies with resorting to snobbery or being condescending. Just sayin'.

I am sorry. I know that I tend to sound/appear condescending/arrogant in my posts but that is not my intention. I am not an native English language speaker and so my lack in skill is reflected in posts that appear condescending.

[Miss Vicky]

Twilight is not considered a great movie by people who watch many movies and neither by adult people. I failed to explain my dentition of great movie:

The only people that love Twilight are 12 year old girls.

That's not true. Twilight has a following among people of all ages. I know many adults who have read the books and watched the movies just as obsessively as any tween. Same goes for other book/movie series like Harry Potter and The Hunger Games.

I found your post to be unjustifiably harsh.

Too bad.


First, art is subjective, what is considered good cinematography by some may be considered bad cinematography by others. What you might consider good plot, might be considered bad plot by others. In fact, your own views of what constitutes good plot, direction, acting, etc, tend to change with time.

I never said it wasn't subjective. I also never said that what I constitute "good" or "bad" among the elements I listed wouldn't be reversed if I and another person were to rate the same movie. The movies I consider "great" are no doubt disliked by many other people, just as I dislike many movies others consider great. What I said was that popularity does not define greatness. You asked for what I consider a better definition. I gave you one.


The only objective way of measuring the greatness of a work of art is that it is liked by many people other than yourself.

No, it isn't. See example of Twilight above. Even many Twi-hards will readily admit that the movies aren't really good, but they love them anyway.



I don't understand how a person can differentiate the two notions: best movies and favorite movies. For me, the best movies are those that I liked the most.

It's simple. "Best" movies generally are movies that we watch and respect for their artistic or technical merit, but even though we can see them as well crafted films, they're not necessarily something we have the desire to watch again or to delve deeper into. Favorites are influenced by many factors besides artistic or technical merit, some of which have little to do with the films themselves. Overall entertainment value is often a huge factor in a "favorite" movie. Nostalgia or an association with a certain event or general time in a person's life can be a big factor as well.

For example, I love the classic Herbie movies (The Love Bug, Herbie Rides Again, Herbie Goes To Monte Carlo, Herbie Goes Bananas). Do they have good acting, cinematography, special effects, or plot? No. Actually they really don't have any of those elements. But I loved them as a child and I still enjoy them today. But if I'd never seen them when I was little and watched them for the first time today, I'd probably hate them. Another example of a favorite movie that isn't really a "good" movie would be Demolition Man. While certainly not a specimen of artistic perfection, it's really fun to watch and so it is among my favorites.

On the other hand, at your urging, I recently watched Grave of the Fireflies. I thought it was a well crafted film and I can respect what the filmmakers were trying to achieve with it, so I rated it highly (in the Movie Tab II thread), but it's not a movie that I've any intention to add to my collection or, indeed, to ever watch again. It's a very good movie, but it's incredibly depressing and also I felt a certain disconnect from its characters so it is most definitely not a favorite.




What obscure foreign drama? All the movies that I placed higher than Pulp Fiction in my list are more popular than Pulp Fiction. In fact, they all are blockbuster movies while Pulp Fiction was a indie!

I wasn't talking about your list specifically (which you were instructed NOT to post and did so anyway. Too bad the new rule isn't retroactive). I was talking about your anti-Hollywood, anti-American attitude in general.

The assumption that movies that aren't well know in your country aren't entertaining is not a valid one and is only made by those that haven't watched many of these movies.


I never made any such assumption.

[You have] already formed a prejudiced opinion about the entire output of films outside the United States and the United Kingdom.

And yet there's a French film in my top ten.

[Godoggo]

Yeah, language barriers can be tricky, but there is also the not being able to read body language or facial expressions as well. English is my first language and I know my posts sometimes come across in a different spirit than I intended.

[Miss Vicky]

Yeah, language barriers can be tricky, but there is also the not being able to read body language or facial expressions as well. English is my first language and I know my posts sometimes come across in a different spirit than I intended.

On the other hand, when a person is told repeatedly that they are coming across as arrogant and they make no effort at all to change the way they communicate their opinion, it ceases to be a language barrier issue.

Also, in any language, calling someone "ignorant" is rude.

[wintertriangles]

Also, in any language, calling someone "ignorant" is rude.So is belittling a whole favorite selection of someone else, which I will remind that he did not do in the first place despite his tone, but don't mind meeeee

[Miss Vicky]

So is belittling a whole favorite selection of someone else


Tell me exactly where I did that. Quote it.

[donniedarko]

Tell me exactly where I did that. Quote it.

I'm not picking sides here, but I think he's referring to you "belittling" Ghilibi films.

[Miss Vicky]

I'm not picking sides here, but I think he's referring to you "belittling" Ghilibi films.

Where did I do that? I recall saying that I like animation that is cute and that I don't find what I've seen from the Ghibli films cute. I also said they appear to be very much rooted in fantasy, which is a genre I generally dislike. Both of those statements are pure opinion.

[donniedarko]

Where did I do that? I recall saying that I like animation that is cute and that don't find what I've seen from the Ghibli films cute. I also said they appear to be very much rooted in fantasy, which is a genre I generally dislike. Both of those statements are pure opinion.

That's why I put belittling in quotations.

[HitchFan97]

There is most definitely a difference between favorites and greatest. Favorites are the ones you enjoy watching the most and resonate with personally. Greatest are the ones that are best 'technically' and in terms of all other objective aspects, such as writing, acting, cinematography, etc. The trick is finding movies that are both great and ones that you love. I love plenty of movies that I would never put on the same level as various 'great' movies (Scream, First Blood) and I also respect certain great movies that I would never say I love (Barry Lyndon, The Red Shoes). That being said, Vertigo is both my favorite movie and the greatest movie, so it's all good :p

[Sinny McGuffins]

There's no sarcasm.

I think there is a God-like power to Pulp Fiction in many ways. I believe it's a deeply spiritual/religious movie. I believe it has a power to it that is deep inside human nature -- connecting to us all -- like religion. And I think that Quentin Tarantino basically became a God figure in order to make the movie -- I think the work is so strong that it literally made him divine. That he basically ASSERTED himself and practically proclaimed himself to be God through this movie. Which worked because the movie is basically a sort of religious parable, I guess.

I dunno. My speaking is wacko, but trust me, I believe that Pulp Fiction is a work of God, even if that God is Quentin Tarantino. I think it's interesting - at least to me - that here I am feeling so mesmerized by Pulp Fiction after years and years of not really caring much for it - and now Quentin Tarantino has won another Oscar (for Django Unchained) and he hasn't won one since his first with Pulp Fiction. Everything is playing out in sync. This is a message that Quentin Tarantino is serious business -- other-worldly -- divine -- a messenger of God.If you're not being sarcastic I'm glad you liked it. But when you refer to Tarantino as God-like and Pulp Fiction as deeply spiritual I can't help but read it as sarcasm. Either way, I'm enjoying your insights.

[Harry Lime]

There is most definitely a difference between favorites and greatest. Favorites are the ones you enjoy watching the most and resonate with personally. Greatest are the ones that are best 'technically' and in terms of all other objective aspects, such as writing, acting, cinematography, etc.
No, you're actually wrong. What if those films that create a personal connection and at the same time possess certain technical aspects are what you consider favourite/best? And on top of that, there are many films out there with these so-called technical aspects that you claim make them the greatest but actually aren't that good and wouldn't be considered the greatest by almost anyone. What is it they lack?

Anyway, carry on talking about Pulp Fiction and anime.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I'm trying to be a bit more spiritual in my personal life these days... I used to have a strong connection, I felt, with a certain form of beliefs about things. I don't think of myself as a Christian, but, Pulp Fiction really responded to me in a new way that really revitalized and changed my feelings about it and it touched me spiritually. I can see a side to it now that I think others also perceived (whether they realize it or not) even if they don't consider themselves spiritual.

It's hard for me to describe other than basically saying that I think the movie is profoundly religious/spiritual, deep in human truths. It looks like a perspective about human beings from the Christian God's eye. Beneath the "coolness" of the movie, I think there's something darker about human nature that everyone is relating to on some level. I think it has to be why it's so beloved. I don't think the movie accidentally became a hit. And because Quentin Tarantino was so smart at making this film, I think he literally took on God-like powers. And I don't think he could ever top the film. No matter how cool the next screenplay he writes is, no matter how technically smart it is or whatever, Pulp Fiction is going to be the deepest, strongest, most universal film he does. So says I.

[Sinny McGuffins]

OK, so after some research I've compiled a list of 26 films to watch before July. Some of them I've already seen (but only once and it's been years since I saw anyone of them), but the rest I've yet to watch.

Here's my nineties watch-list:

Pi
Short Cuts
Barton Fink
Breaking the Waves
The Game
Fearless
The Thin Red Line
Dead Man
The Three Colours Trilogy
La Haine
Hoop Dreams
My Own Private Idaho
Sonatine
Dark City
Wild at Heart
Lost Highway
Point Break
All About My Mother
Last of the Mohicans
Dances with Wolves
Safe
Sátántangó
Princess Mononoke
Naked Lunch

Though very do-able, I may not manage to see all these films before the deadline, so could anyone recommend the best films to start with?

[gandalf26]

OK, so after some research I've compiled a list of 27 films to watch before July. Some of them I've already seen (but only once and it's been years since I saw anyone of them), but the rest I've yet to watch.

Here's my nineties watch-list:

Pi
Short Cuts
Barton Fink
Breaking the Waves
The Game
Fearless
The Thin Red Line
Dead Man
The Three Colours Trilogy
La Haine
Hoop Dreams
My Own Private Idaho
Sonantine
Dark City
Wild at Heart
Lost Highway
Point Break
All About My Mother
Last of the Mohicans
Dances with Wolves
Safe
Sátántangó
Princess Mononoke
Naked Lunch
Point Break

Though very do-able, I may not manage to see all these films before the deadline, so could anyone recommend the best films to start with?

.

[Mr Minio]

Sinny, just watch Satantango. ;)

My to-watch list:

A Brighter Summer Day
Pretty Village, Pretty Flame
The Silence (1998)
Illusion (1995)
To Live
Sonatine
Hana-Bi
Ming-Lang Tsai movie(s)
Not One Less
Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea
Cyclo
The Field
Prospero's Books
The Silent Touch
A Pure Formality
The Inner Circle
Before Sunrise
Arlington Road
Days of Being Wild
Fargo
Shadowlands
Underground
Europa
Secrets and Lies
Festen
Nelly and Mr. Arnaud
Breaking the Waves
Institute Benjamenta
Funny Games
Following
The Garden
Misery
Murder in the First
Magnolia
Payback
Wojaczek
Life is Beautiful
The Puppetmaster
Few of Us (1996)
Sleepers
Reservoir Dogs
Girl on the Bridge

[Miss Vicky]

Dark City
Point Break
Dances with Wolves


These are my favorites from that list, though Point Break is kind of a guilty pleasure. It's a little silly, but very entertaining. Dead Man and My Own Private Idaho are both fascinating movies, but not personal favorites.

[Sinny McGuffins]

Sinny, just watch Satantango. ;)Just Google'd it. Wow, had no idea it was over seven hours long! Maybe I won't be watching this one before July.

Has anyone here seen it in full?

These are my favorites from that list, though Point Break is kind of a guilty pleasure. It's a little silly, but very entertaining. Dead Man and My Own Private Idaho are both fascinating movies, but not personal favorites.I've seen Point Break before, but it was years ago and I can only remember parts of it. I remember having a similar opinion to yours, a bit silly, but entertaining at the same time. Looking forward to watching it again.

And I think Dead Man is the film I'm looking forward to watching the most.

[Harry Lime]

Just Google'd it. Wow, had no idea it was over seven hours long! Maybe I won't be watching this one before July.

Has anyone here seen it in full?
Yeah, it's a tough seven hours, but in my opinion it's worth it. If you haven't seen anything from Tarr yet, and before you invest seven hours, I suggest checking out Werckmeister Harmonies first.

[HitchFan97]

No, you're actually wrong. What if those films that create a personal connection and at the same time possess certain technical aspects are what you consider favourite/best?

Well, the ones I put at the top of my list are the ones that I feel possess both. Hence my comment about Vertigo.

And on top of that, there are many films out there with these so-called technical aspects that you claim make them the greatest but actually aren't that good and wouldn't be considered the greatest by almost anyone. What is it they lack?

By 'almost anyone' do you mean the average person off the street or a cinephile/critic?

[Mr Minio]

Yeah, it's a tough seven hours, but in my opinion it's worth it. If you haven't seen anything from Tarr yet, and before you invest seven hours, I suggest checking out Werckmeister Harmonies first. That's for damn sure. Werckmeister Harmonies is my favourite movie of all time and it's highly recommended to watch it before Satantango.

[Harry Lime]

Well, the ones I put at the top of my list are the ones that I feel possess both. Hence my comment about Vertigo.
That goes against what you were saying in that post.

By 'almost anyone' do you mean the average person off the street or a cinephile/critic?
Who is an average person off the street and who is a cinephile/critic? Which would you classify yourself as and why?

[HitchFan97]

That goes against what you were saying in that post.

What I meant was that, although I do feel there is a difference between best and favorite, the films that I put at the top of my list are ones that excel as both personal favorites and objectively great films.

Who is an average person off the street and who is a cinephile/critic? Which would you classify yourself as and why?

The average person off the street is the person who think of movies as most people do- entertainment, multiplex fare, that sort of thing. They know next to nothing about film history and they aren't likely to watch anything outside of a major studio production with a large ad campaign.

Critic/cinephile would refer to the type of person who might go on this site- they watch films for more than just entertainment, are open to new and unique cinematic experiences, they are familiar with auteur theory and film history in general.

[Psychic Isaac]

This list will not come to fruition until late 2014 because Harry Lime will be in the hospital. And then you'll all be disappointed.

[Brodinski]

The average person off the street is the person who think of movies as most people do- entertainment,

Critic/cinephile would refer to the type of person who might go on this site- they watch films for more than just entertainment

If you're not watching films for your entertainment, then what's the point? If a film doesn't entertain you in one way or the other, you won't like it.

[HitchFan97]

If you're not watching films for your entertainment, then what's the point? If a film doesn't entertain you in one way or the other, you won't like it.

That's true, but the critic/cinephile's definition of entertainment differs from that of the average moviegoer. Unlike the average moviegoer, the critic/cinephile is entertained by great directing, cinematography, looking for hidden meanings and layers, etc.

[Daniel M]

That's true, but the critic/cinephile's definition of entertainment differs from that of the average moviegoer. Unlike the average moviegoer, the critic/cinephile is entertained by great directing, cinematography, looking for hidden meanings and layers, etc.

I agree with you here. Unfortunately if you were to ask 10 'average' people whether they'd prefer to watch Transformers or Vertigo, they would probably go for the former :p

[Harry Lime]

This list will not come to fruition until late 2014 because Harry Lime will be in the hospital. And then you'll all be disappointed.
Stop cursing me!

[Psychic Isaac]

Stop cursing me!

http://crystal-cure.com/pics/cluster-crystal9100.jpg

I will just leave these crystals here to protect you and save the Top 100 of the Nineties.

[Brodinski]

That's true, but the critic/cinephile's definition of entertainment differs from that of the average moviegoer. Unlike the average moviegoer, the critic/cinephile is entertained by great directing, cinematography, looking for hidden meanings and layers, etc.

You can admire films on a technical level, but if you're not engrossed by the plot and don't feel for the characters in some way, then you're not going to be entertained.

I know that Blue and Days of Heaven are great in terms of technicalities, but the plot and the characters left me cold. I wasn't engaged at all, i.e. I wasn't entertained. And that's what's holding me back from rewatching them. Greatness on a technical level doesn't make you revisit a film. It's greatness on an emotional level that makes you rewatch a film over and over. A film MUST grab you and engage you in some way.

[Guaporense]

I know that Blue and Days of Heaven are great in terms of technicalities, but the plot and the characters left me cold. I wasn't engaged at all, i.e. I wasn't entertained. And that's what's holding me back from rewatching them. Greatness on a technical level doesn't make you revisit a film. It's greatness on an emotional level that makes you rewatch a film over and over. A film MUST grab you and engage you in some way.

What's "Blue"?

Days of Heaven is a bit thin on the human side, as Malick's movie in general. Still, I liked it by about 3. Malick's level of wankery was still acceptable in 1979, by 2010, however, it became gross.

I agree completely that movies are all about emotion (quite obvious considering the heavy emotional content of my own top 10). My top 25 of the 1990's was exactly ordered by the intensity of my emotional reaction to the films.

[Miss Vicky]

What's "Blue"?

I assume he's refering to Blue of the Three Colors Trilogy.

[Guaporense]

I assume he's refering to Blue of the Three Colors Trilogy.

Three Colors Blue was truly the most boring movie of the trilogy. The best one was Three Colors Red.

[wintertriangles]

Three Colors Blue was truly the most boring movie of the trilogy. The best one was Three Colors Red.Do you have any evidence to support your claim?

[Guaporense]

OK, so after some research I've compiled a list of 26 films to watch before July. Some of them I've already seen (but only once and it's been years since I saw anyone of them), but the rest I've yet to watch.

Here's my nineties watch-list:

Pi
Short Cuts
Barton Fink
Breaking the Waves
The Game
Fearless
The Thin Red Line
Dead Man
The Three Colours Trilogy
La Haine
Hoop Dreams
My Own Private Idaho
Sonatine
Dark City
Wild at Heart
Lost Highway
Point Break
All About My Mother
Last of the Mohicans
Dances with Wolves
Safe
Sátántangó
Princess Mononoke
Naked Lunch

Though very do-able, I may not manage to see all these films before the deadline, so could anyone recommend the best films to start with?

Only Yesterday is not on that list. Have you watched it? It's the second best film of the 1990's and overall the third best film of the last quarter of a century.

Obviously, from my own personal top 25 list I posted not long age the best movie of the 90's is Princess Mononoke, which remains the single most powerful experience I ever had with art, as I was unable to sleep for 24 hours after watching it for the second time. My emotional reaction to this movie borders on insanity. But I don't know if you are going to like it, but, please, if you are going to watch it, watch it with subtitles.

[Guaporense]

Do you have any evidence to support your claim?

Of course. I watched all three on the same day. I found Blue the least engaging of the three.

[wintertriangles]

Of course. I watched all three on the same day. I found Blue the least engaging of the three.And how does that prove any of what you said? Maybe if you chose a different day you would've had a different reaction. Maybe if you watched them out of order whichever was first would have been the most boring.

[honeykid]

Three Colors Blue was truly the most boring movie of the trilogy. The best one was Three Colors Red.
http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/thumb/1/1e/GTFO-SIGN.jpg/618px-GTFO-SIGN.jpg

[Guaporense]

And how does that prove any of what you said? Maybe if you chose a different day you would've had a different reaction. Maybe if you watched them out of order whichever was first would have been the most boring.

What's the purpose of this post?

[wintertriangles]

What's the purpose of this post?To question your comment's unwavering truthfulness bien sûr :dizzy:

[Harry Lime]

Only Yesterday is not on that list. Have you watched it? It's the second best film of the 1990's and overall the third best film of the last quarter of a century.
I watched it the other day, what a load of crap, it really sucked. I highly recommend anyone thinking of watching this film as a result of Gua's incessant spamming to reconsider and find a better way to spend that two hours of their life.

[donniedarko]

Really? I was thinking of watching it but Im probably gonna pass on it.

[HitchFan97]

You can admire films on a technical level, but if you're not engrossed by the plot and don't feel for the characters in some way, then you're not going to be entertained.

I know that Blue and Days of Heaven are great in terms of technicalities, but the plot and the characters left me cold. I wasn't engaged at all, i.e. I wasn't entertained. And that's what's holding me back from rewatching them. Greatness on a technical level doesn't make you revisit a film. It's greatness on an emotional level that makes you rewatch a film over and over. A film MUST grab you and engage you in some way.

But can your lack of engagement with the characters speak for everyone's thoughts on the film? I know what you mean (your experiences with Blue and Days of Heaven sound very similar to my experiences with Barry Lyndon or The Red Shoes), but someone else might find the characters very engaging and therefore they might find the films entertaining. Certainly plenty of cinephiles out there would argue that any of the above-mentioned films are great, for various reasons.

[Brodinski]

But can your lack of engagement with the characters speak for everyone's thoughts on the film? I know what you mean (your experiences with Blue and Days of Heaven sound very similar to my experiences with Barry Lyndon or The Red Shoes), but someone else might find the characters very engaging and therefore they might find the films entertaining. Certainly plenty of cinephiles out there would argue that any of the above-mentioned films are great, for various reasons.

Yeah, but you don't need to be a cinephile to like those movies. You just need to appreciate the story and connect with the characters. If that's not case, the rest goes overboard too, cinephile or casual fan.

[Skepsis93]

Only Yesterday is not on that list. Have you watched it? It's the second best film of the 1990's and overall the third best film of the last quarter of a century.

I don't know if it's a language thing or what but you keep saying things like this, as if where you rank a film is the final say. It feels incredibly obvious and cliche to say that film is a subjective medium, but here I am saying it again.

[Yoda]

Agreed. But it's tough to please, because I find it similarly grating when someone prefaces every single opinion by saying it's just their opinion. Though an "I think" or "For me" every third or fourth time goes a long way to softening disagreements.

[Guaporense]

I watched it the other day, what a load of crap, it really sucked. I highly recommend anyone thinking of watching this film as a result of Gua's incessant spamming to reconsider and find a better way to spend that two hours of their life.

Why do you think it sucked, what parts you didn't like? Such low words indicate that you are reacting against my spamming and not to the movie.

When I talked to people who were not severely biased against watching it, some said it was great but not very entertaining and others said it was awesome. Some scenes may have some problems (the giant heart thingie can be considered corny) and parts of the middle are boring but overall I found it quite rewarding.

I don't think that saying to people to not watch a movie another recommended in such harsh way is the most civilized action.