Marijuana: Do you do it?

[will.15]

Quote:
Originally Posted by D.A.R.E.
Question: So are you saying that marijuana has no medical properties?

Response: Having medical properties is not the same thing as being safe and effective for medical use. Marijuana has 483 compounds, 66 of which are cannabinoids. Several of the cannabinoids have already been developed into FDA approved medications. But these medications are not marijuana. They are pharmaceutical drugs, which can be carefully titrated to the patient's needs.

Here is an illustration that may make this easier to understand. Compare marijuana to a chocolate fruitcake. The cake, like marijuana, contains many ingredients, i.e., eggs, flour, sugar, salt, fruit, nuts, leavening, and cocoa. The cocoa is to the cake what THC is to marijuana. However, to a diabetic, or someone allergic to nuts or flour or eggs, there are likely to be some very bad reactions to eating the cake. Using the word “cocoa” interchangeably with the word “cake” is incorrect, misleading, and confusing. However, that is what is being done with THC and marijuana. THC is no more marijuana than cocoa is a chocolate cake.


Mmmm...chocolate cake!
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[Brodinski]

Alcohol impairs judgment and is addictive.

Tobacco kills people and is addictive.

You want to save the world from drugs?

You want alcohol and tobacco to be illegal?

I get it. You're angry because your cannabis is illegal whereas tobacco and alcohol aren't. It's true that alcohol abuse also has detrimental effects to one's physical and mental health and can also lead to depression, suicide, increased likelihood of committing crimes, etc.

I don't know why you bring tobacco into the equation though. Because it kills people? That is indeed true. Guess what though:

Overweight and obesity are the fifth leading risk for global deaths. At least 2.8 million adults die each year as a result of being overweight or obese. In addition, 44% of the diabetes burden, 23% of the ischaemic heart disease burden and between 7% and 41% of certain cancer burdens are attributable to overweight and obesity.

Source (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs311/en/index.html)

So, according to your logic: Obesity kills and is caused by many factors, the most important one being the consumption of unhealthy food. As a result, the consumption of unhealthy food should be illegal.

[Yoda]

I don't think he's saying those things should be illegal; he's saying the opposite: that all of it should be legal.

[filmgirlinterrupted]

Mmmm....fresh batch of Sweet Tooth :cool:

Happy Friday to me!

[will.15]

If there were more fat people there would be less crime because fat criminals can't run away very fast from the police.

[Deadite]

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[Deadite]

Extreme sports are dangerous and the resultant adrenaline rush can be addictive for some people.

Solution: Criminalize it!

[nebbit]

Alcohol impairs judgment and is addictive.
:yup:

Tobacco kills people and is addictive.
:yup:

You want to save the world from drugs?
No I just want them to stop coming to me for help when things go wrong :eek:

You want alcohol and tobacco to be illegal?
To Late :yup:

Extreme sports are dangerous and the resultant adrenaline rush can be addictive for some people.

Solution: Criminalize it!
Now you are just being silly :goof:

[Deadite]

You can use condescending nod smileys all you want. :yup:

Still not gonna make the blatant hypocrisy go away. :nope:

It's not my problem you chose a line of work that deals with junkies. :nope:

There will always be such people no matter how many drugs you criminalize. :yup:

What's really silly here is your self-righteous attitude, despite not having a leg to stand on. :nope:

You're unable to rationally justify your position so you have to rely on wagging your finger and treating other adults like children. :yup:

[filmgirlinterrupted]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW9AHQXh_RM

[Yoda]

I thought about posting that yesterday. :laugh:

[filmgirlinterrupted]

I thought about posting that yesterday. :laugh:

Pretty hard to debate that, isn't it? :p

[DexterRiley]

If there were more fat people there would be less crime because fat criminals can't run away very fast from the police.

less urban petty crime you mean.

Corporate criminals aren't gang tackled and shackled up like an Animal.

[Ads]

Do I do it? No.

Do I want to do it? No.

[ollanik]

meh...

[will.15]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeYsTmIzjkw

[DexterRiley]

The Declaration of Independence was written on hemp (marijuana) paper.

[will.15]

Then Jefferson got high.

[DexterRiley]

especially when John Adams dropped by

[nebbit]

You can use condescending nod smileys all you want. :yup:
I don't mean to be :nope:

Still not gonna make the blatant hypocrisy go away. :nope:
What do you mean by that :confused:

It's not my problem you chose a line of work that deals with junkies. :nope:
My work isn't a problem for me, I work with people who have a mental illness :yup: wether that is drug induced :yup: i like all my clients and don't judge them at all :nope:

There will always be such people no matter how many drugs you criminalize. :yup:
I don't want all drugs criminalised :nope: just want people to understand the risk, just like there is a risk with cigarettes :yup:

What's really silly here is your self-righteous attitude, despite not having a leg to stand on. :nope:
Sorry if I came across as self righteous, I didn't mean to :nope: I have taken drugs, so I know what they are like :yup: I have chosen not to take them as i felt a hypocrite at work :blush:
And you as user have a leg to stand on, are you medical trained also :)

You're unable to rationally justify your position so you have to rely on wagging your finger and treating other adults like children. :yup:
Again if you thought, that is not what I was doing, i am sorry :yup:

[Deadite]

You're doing it again. :yup:

[nebbit]

What just because i use Smilies :):o:(

[Deadite]

To explain, there's really no need for those constant nods :nope:

Except perhaps, unless it's to insinuate that the reader is having difficulty comprehending your opinion. :yup:

[nebbit]

To explain, there's really no need for those constant nods :nope:

Except perhaps, unless it's to insinuate that the reader is having difficulty comprehending your opinion. :yup:
Sorry that is just me :) I :love: Smilies :) I am the smilie queen :)

Why are you so irritated by my posts?
All of has an opinion thats what makes the world interesting.
I am not angry with you, I have even restrained from posting any nodding smilies just for you. :)

[Deadite]

Appreciated.

I've already explained why it rubbed me the wrong way.

Are you having difficulty comprehending my opinion?

[nebbit]

Appreciated.

I've already explained why it rubbed me the wrong way.

Are you having difficulty comprehending my opinion?
No. you think I am condescending and self righteous, Oh and nods mean that, ok

[Deadite]

No. you think I am condescending and self righteous, Oh and nods mean that, ok

Not always. I can be forgiven for interpreting it so, in this instance.

You are welcome to your opinion of course.

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[nebbit]

http://shechive.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/photo-caption-lol-0.jpg?w=500&h=367
I am not a hater, There is no one in this world I hate.

[will.15]

I don't mean to be :nope:


What do you mean by that :confused:


My work isn't a problem for me, I work with people who have a mental illness :yup: wether that is drug induced :yup: i like all my clients and don't judge them at all :nope:


I don't want all drugs criminalised :nope: just want people to understand the risk, just like there is a risk with cigarettes :yup:


Sorry if I came across as self righteous, I didn't mean to :nope: I have taken drugs, so I know what they are like :yup: I have chosen not to take them as i felt a hypocrite at work :blush:
And you as user have a leg to stand on, are you medical trained also :)


Again if you thought, that is not what I was doing, i am sorry :yup:
I'm getting dizzy.

[nebbit]

I'm getting dizzy.
me too :dizzy:

[DexterRiley]

For your consideration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YveBp_Rx21s&feature=player_embedded

[Deadite]

http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/

[ollanik]

26 joints

[downthesun]

Yes I do use it.

Yes I do love it.

[ollanik]

How to insert image?

[Yoda]

Hit the little landscape icon on the reply page, then add the URL of the image.

If it's on your hard drive, hit the paperclip instead and add it that way. :)

[ollanik]

Thanks,i will try now :)

[ollanik]

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[zed]

At the end of the day the ‘war on drugs’ has been a complete failure. If anything it’s easier and cheaper to obtain Class A & B drugs than ever before. The billions of $ spent on trying to control drugs has been a total waste. Politicians would have to be incredibly stupid and/or ignorant to not know this. Should hard drugs like cocaine/heroin etc be legalised/decriminalised? Yes of course, because there really isn’t any other option. In Australia it costs $400 for a gram of coke, compared to $60 in Europe. So you can imagine how much crime a cocaine addict would have to commit in order to fund his/her habit. Legalise it, price drops along with crime. Obviously you are going to have more people taking the drug, more addicts and various related social issues, but it’s the lesser of two evils. I think if there were any signs that the enforcement of controlled substances was actually working then I’d be more supportive, but it isn’t. And that’s not speculation. You can visit any major city in the world and pick up class A and B drugs very easily and cheaply., so it’s pretty obvious organizations like the DEA are failing to do the job they have been tasked with. And this is after 40 + years of trying. What do they think is going to be the situation in 40 more years? It will probably be worse, more drug use, more addicts, more crime, more prisons, more dysfunctional ex convicts on the street etc etc. It’s almost like they too embarrassed to admit defeat.

[ollanik]

I don't find hygienic to post after this single celled organism,but it would be nice if someone would open a topic for best movie to watch with joint in mouth(if its not against rules of forum,ofc)

[donniedarko]

Don't do it but I think it should be legal and really isn't that bad of a "drug".

[Gabriella Lynn]

Why do you think it should be legal?

[ollanik]

oh,no,this smells on new never ending debate :(

[Gabriella Lynn]

I'm just asking, I'm friendly about my opinions and I want to hear anyone else's. It's the main reason why I wanted to get onto a forum.

[donniedarko]

Why do you think it should be legal?

Well it has a proven lower addiction rate than cigarettes and alcohol. There has not been a single death from marijuana. In Colorado it's legal medically and since the legalization there's not been a single case of someone driving under the influence of it. So as far as I'm concerned it's safe enough.

Also it's an amazing medical drug. People who've underwent chemo are very helped by this. I don't we should restrict anything that helps the sick or injured.

Also when it's legal to sell there will be less crime involved with it. There will be no need to traffic. Plus the government will make so much money. One there would be taxes off it and two we would'nt need all those court dates where you have to pay for the jury, possibly a lawyer, definently a prosecuter, and possibly his living expenses in jail.

It's worked in Holland, why not the US?

[Gabriella Lynn]

If drug dealers stop focusing on Marijuana as a main source for profit, what do you think they will start pushing next?

Also, what do you think kids will want to start experimenting with then? It used to be legal for kids in high school to smoke, then that stopped, now it's Marijuana, what do you think they will do next if you take marijuana away from them?

The reason I am asking is because if the U.S. does legalize Marijuana, you know they will put very strict laws on it.

How much do you think they will charge for it to be open to all the public? Instead of just the sick, although we all know that people with green cards sell their medical marijuana too.

FYI: In no way am I totally correct on any of this, these are just my opinions.

[ollanik]

I think marijuana should be legal in every country

1-it is less harmful than a lots of legal drugs
2-every drug should be legal,anyway(even heroin),because every person have rights to do what they want with their own body

[donniedarko]

If drug dealers stop focusing on Marijuana as a main source for profit, what do you think they will start pushing next?

Also, what do you think kids will want to start experimenting with then? It used to be legal for kids in high school to smoke, then that stopped, now it's Marijuana, what do you think they will do next if you take marijuana away from them?

The reason I am asking is because if the U.S. does legalize Marijuana, you know they will put very strict laws on it.

How much do you think they will charge for it to be open to all the public? Instead of just the sick, although we all know that people with green cards sell their medical marijuana too.

FYI: In no way am I totally correct on any of this, these are just my opinions.

Most dealers have multiple drugs. How do I know? Grand theft auto :p
But seriously dealers will still find other drugs and I understand but just because of that we shouldn't legalize a perfectly OK substance. With the kid issue, I know kids in my highschool (I'm in HS BTW) do everything from alchohol to meth, I don't think anything will change of what they take if we legalize one. I mean they still to cigs and alcohol, and another point with the kids I know kids who have pot dealers, with the legalization it'll be hard for them to sell it to kids. And I don't think we should go to the extreme of Holland where it's in aisle four of the grocery mart but I think to have special facility like the current medical shops won't have to be to much trouble to open. Manage it like an alchohol liscense.

[Gabriella Lynn]

"Most dealers have multiple drugs. How do I know? Grand theft auto"
Thought this comment was funny! :P lol

Anyways, I guess at my high school, it was different or at least I thought it was (Graduated 2 years ago) But in regards to Holland, Europe and most all other countries give more responsibility to their citizens than America, therefore maybe I feel because our country is more "sheltered" that we need to ease everyone into the possibility of legalizing drugs. I used to smoke for a year in time and thinking back now, if it were legal, would it really be good for the country? All I remember myself being is stupid and sleeping all the time for lack of function.

In all though you do state very valid points.

[nebbit]

2-every drug should be legal,anyway(even heroin),because every person have rights to do what they want with their own body

Thats fine but the health system has to care for these people when they get ill, I am not sure that any drug should be legal http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd77/faeeyes/smiley-confused013.gif I understand what you say about legal drugs they also put a strain on the health systems of many countries, not sure legalisation is the way to go :nope:

[Nausicaä]

It's worked in Holland, why not the US?

It's not as 'legal' in Holland as you think and a lot of places where you can 'take' cannabis are closing or have closed now.

As for me, I don't even smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol, and I like control of my mind so not going to put drugs like cannabis into my body - but if someone wants to smoke cannabis, I don't have a problem with it, especially when it's for medical use(for some people, it seems to work with pain a hell of a lot better than shoving a million different expensive pills into your body).

[Gabriella Lynn]

I think that one of the reasons why it helps people more is because they can feel the smoke, therefore they feel it working and you get high faster than pills. The problem with substances, controlled or uncontrolled is that eventually your body goes into a state of being used to whatever you put into it and therefore you need bigger and bigger "doses" of whatever you are in taking. That's another reason why it may not be too smart to legalize something that people already have a hard time controlling with themselves,IMO. And the reason it's called a gateway drug is also because of that. You stop getting as good of highs as when you first started smoking. You then start looking for something harder and better. Or combining Marijuana with cigarettes, or sheesha, or alcohol, or controlled substances such as hydros.

[earlsmoviepicks]

I think in general, it's better than booze. Alcohol will often turn nice folks into mean, violent SOB's, but pot doesn't seem to do that.

[Gabriella Lynn]

I can agree with that, I don't remember ever encountering an angry pot head. Alcohol is a substance that can bring out the dark side of anyone which is always an unknown "danger".

[Powderfinger]

Marijuana is bad. Years ago my mate smoked dope all the time, what did he get? Have a guess? Schizophrenia! Then he killed himself. You know why? He wouldn't take his medication.

Dope is no good for most people. Though some people it doesn't affect them.

[Powderfinger]

I shouldn't say it because my mate is dead, though it was 15 years ago. But I will! His Father is an Actor, then he never really got parts. Now, he's pretty big in Australia. When he was 16 years old, his Father kicked him out. He stayed at my house for about 2 Months, then he found a place. His Picture the idiot Father!!!

http://images.smh.com.au/ftsmh/ffximage/2009/02/07/roybilling_narrowweb__300x466,0.jpg

[Nausicaä]

Marijuana is bad. Years ago my mate smoked dope all the time, what did he get? Have a guess? Schizophrenia! Then he killed himself. You know why? He wouldn't take his medication.



In America for example Schizophrenia has not increased much compared according to research while cannabis use is still strong. Your friend would have been predisposed to it and it was drug abuse according to his Father(a mixture, not just Cannabis). It's rare. It's most likely he still would have got Schizophrenia if he had not gone near any drugs and he was around the average age it can start.

I've seen more trouble from morons absolutely drunk on the streets, especially near the clubs and pubs. Give me cannabis smokers any day over drunk people getting violent, vomiting all over the streets and really classy girls...

:eek:

[Powderfinger]

In America for example Schizophrenia has not increased much compared according to research while cannabis use is still strong. Your friend would have been predisposed to it and it was drug abuse according to his Father(a mixture, not just Cannabis). It's rare. It's most likely he still would have got Schizophrenia if he had not gone near any drugs and he was around the average age it can start.

I've seen more trouble from morons absolutely drunk on the streets, especially near the clubs and pubs. Give me cannabis smokers any day over drunk people getting violent, vomiting all over the streets and really classy girls...

:eek:

I don't believe you. Yeah, there is a lot drunk morons...but to say "It's most likely he still would have got Schizophrenia if he had not gone near any drugs and he was around the average age it can start" Drugs do it!

It was 17 years ago, when he died. Drug dealers make profits for what destroy people, most people anyway. A Government won't help either!

[Gabriella Lynn]

Drugs help with Schizophrenia but more likely it is genetically passed on. I don't doubt that the drugs helped destroy his life but I do think that he would've had mild signs when he got older if that is the case. I don't really know though, I just know it's mostly genetic. Anyways, I'm sorry about your friend. Drugs and alcohol tear a lot of people apart and it sucks.

[Powderfinger]

"mild signs" Very much so! I remember going to his flat and I knocked. He opened the door then he said "they're after me" I said "who mate?" He said "Everyone!"

Then I didn't know much about Schizophrenia, but one the Shrink said "pot will destroy him" He was on medication, though with Schizophrenics don't take it!

He was good before, then he started smoking pot...then everything went sour.

[Nausicaä]

I don't believe you. "It's most likely he still would have got Schizophrenia if he had not gone near any drugs and he was around the average age it can start" Drugs do it!

Don't believe me and what Doctors/Scientists say then, but do some research Powderfinger and you will see.

[Gabriella Lynn]

Yeah, people with mental disorders hate medication! If it isn't conspirators, it's the devil, or something else that's trying to poison them. It's really really sad. Especially when it's someone you care for.

[Powderfinger]

Yeah, people with mental disorders hate medication! If it isn't conspirators, it's the devil, or something else that's trying to poison them. It's really really sad. Especially when it's someone you care for.

Yeah, they hate it!

[Powderfinger]

Don't believe me and what Doctors/Scientists say then, but do some research Powderfinger and you will see.

Shrinks believe drugs affect your mind, seriously. Even Doctors will say that, too! I don't know where you get your information? Mad Scientists and Doctors maybe?

[cinemaafficionado]

Pot? Tried it once as a teenager. All it did was make me goofy and hungry.
Had a girlfriend that liked to smoke it. I loved that girl. Every time she smoked, she cleaned my house for hours.
I know a couple that smoke it religiously every day for the last ten years.
They are now both slower in every way.
Does pot have any health benefits? Possibly for some with mental impairments. It definitely makes them less violent.
Pot has never nor would it ever be my cup of tea.

[Powderfinger]

Had a girlfriend that liked to smoke it. I loved that girl. Every time she smoked, she cleaned my house for hours.


lol! :D

[Nausicaä]

Shrinks believe drugs affect your mind, seriously. Even Doctors will say that, too! I don't know where you get your information? Mad Scientists and Doctors maybe?


I didn't say drugs don't affect the mind. I'm talking about the connection of cannabis and causing Schizophrenia.

[Gabriella Lynn]

I could see the connection. there are paranoid Schizophrenics and who isn't paranoid when they smoke?

[re93animator]

"mild signs" Very much so! I remember going to his flat and I knocked. He opened the door then he said "they're after me" I said "who mate?" He said "Everyone!"

Then I didn't know much about Schizophrenia, but one the Shrink said "pot will destroy him" He was on medication, though with Schizophrenics don't take it!

He was good before, then he started smoking pot...then everything went sour.
Maybe the pot could've circumstantially had a unique effect on your friend, but there definitely had to be something going on with him before. Given, I'm no expert on the subject, but I've known quite a few close friends who were avid smokers, and the most harmful effect it had on them was hindering their motor skills/reaction timing (which is strange considering how good they were at video games).

I think that one of the reasons why it helps people more is because they can feel the smoke, therefore they feel it working and you get high faster than pills. The problem with substances, controlled or uncontrolled is that eventually your body goes into a state of being used to whatever you put into it and therefore you need bigger and bigger "doses" of whatever you are in taking. That's another reason why it may not be too smart to legalize something that people already have a hard time controlling with themselves,IMO. And the reason it's called a gateway drug is also because of that. You stop getting as good of highs as when you first started smoking. You then start looking for something harder and better. Or combining Marijuana with cigarettes, or sheesha, or alcohol, or controlled substances such as hydros.

Interesting insight into the gateway theory, and one that I haven't seen pointed out too much. Still, I don't really think keeping marijuana as illegal as it is in the US is right based on speculative consequences. Especially since, due to increased casual use, it's really starting to lose the 'edgy' image, and people are taking risks just trying it. Legalizing it may have some consequences, but keeping it illegal and unnecessarily incarcerating people for it seems extreme.

[Gabriella Lynn]

Oh I don't even think that people should go to jail for such small crimes in comparison to others. I hate our prison system. People that are caught for having marijuana on them, selling small amounts, or "abusing" the drug don't need to go to jail. Some community service would suffice.

[ollanik]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCDnR6Px-co

[cinemaafficionado]

I always find it fascinating when some people go into detail about some subjects that they've never personaly experienced.

[cinemaafficionado]

. You stop getting as good of highs as when you first started smoking. You then start looking for something harder and better. Or combining Marijuana with cigarettes, or sheesha, or alcohol, or controlled substances such as hydros.

This sounds like something straight out of the police academy.
First of all, there is a consensus that we all have a unique finger print, which makes every one of us different from each other.
Immune systems are also unique and drug tolerance varies with each system. Some have a genetic predesposition towards addiction, no matter what that may be. Others don't, but may have aquired tastes.
To say that someone that enjoys marijuana will graduate to heroin is highly misleading.
What I found to be true is that certain personalities are attracted to certain types of drug, although there are people that also mix different kinds of drugs.
For the most part pot smokers are non-violent whereas meth users tend to get extremely violent. As far as coke is concerned, it depends whether one is snorting it, shooting it or smoking it and one has to take into account that on a street level, what they think is coke is 90% something else.
Heroin is totaly hardcore and the hardest to kick because of it's physiological addiction. It's kind of ironic that many try to kick it with methadone, which initself is a highly addictive drug.
Without going into the what-ifs of legalization, one thing is for sure and that's that there are plenty of alcoholics, cigarette smokers and coffee drinkers around legaly and they are all addicts. They may believe that they are not, but the way they interact with the non-users is surely telling.
I know that there are many coffee drinkers that will disagree with me about coffee being an addition. If they've been drinking coffee every day for the last few years, all they need to do is stop one day, cold turkey, and see what happens.

[Gabriella Lynn]

This sounds like something straight out of the police academy.
First of all, there is a consensus that we all have a unique finger print, which makes every one of us different from each other.
Immune systems are also unique and drug tolerance varies with each system. Some have a genetic predesposition towards addiction, no matter what that may be. Others don't, but may have aquired tastes.
To say that someone that enjoys marijuana will graduate to heroin is highly misleading.
What I found to be true is that certain personalities are attracted to certain types of drug, although there are people that also mix different kinds of drugs.
For the most part pot smokers are non-violent whereas meth users tend to get extremely violent. As far as coke is concerned, it depends whether one is snorting it, shooting it or smoking it and one has to take into account that on a street level, what they think is coke is 90% something else.
Heroin is totaly hardcore and the hardest to kick because of it's physiological addiction. It's kind of ironic that many try to kick it with methadone, which initself is a highly addictive drug.
Without going into the what-ifs of legalization, one thing is for sure and that's that there are plenty of alcoholics, cigarette smokers and coffee drinkers around legaly and they are all addicts. They may believe that they are not, but the way they interact with the non-users is surely telling.
I know that there are many coffee drinkers that will disagree with me about coffee being an addition. If they've been drinking coffee every day for the last few years, all they need to do is stop one day, cold turkey, and see what happens.

Well I am coming from personal experience all around. I used to smoke, and later I smoked cigarettes because I felt like I would get a better high, along with sheesha. I know that a lot of people had one or the other, maybe not all, but most. I know that my dad, after years and years and years of just smoking weed, got sick of those highs and went to crack, I know that my boyfriend, who doesnt have an addictive personality went on to harder things after a fews years of smoking weed and cigarettes, but quit after an especially bad high.

Now I know that these are only a couple of examples and in know way can they be related if we took a poll because you need a lot more then that, but I do know that you usually almost 100% turn to something else, or already have been smoking something else, such as sheesha or cigarettes.

Realistically in my mind, I believe that cigarettes are more of an addiction and a "gateway" than maybe marijuana. I remember smoking and right away I would get a temporary high.

I in no way said that you go to heroine or cocaine, maybe you decide to pop pills instead, think its safer.

This is of course just my opinion, but what I see and hear and have experienced for myself, tell me these things are true. Call me naive for just having this opinion, but I don't want to go out there and test it out lol.

Also Coffee drinkers are addicted, if they stopped drinking, their head would feel like 50 pounds heavier. I've seen that in a few people also, they have to keep drinking it or really bad migraines may occur.

[cinemaafficionado]

Fair enough. The problem with general assumptions is that they are not only assumptions but general as well.
It's not like everybody out there is always looking for some kind of high, or low for that matter.
When you are in a group setting, peer influnence does contribiute, but mostly to followers but there are a lot of strong minded individuals that find other ways to enjoy life.
I was athletic and got off on the andrenaline rush or took risks where I had some kind of control.
Control freaks never want to put themselves in a situation where they are so wasted that they are at the mercy of others.
Pill popping, like ecstacy or queludes, are choice highs but many people take percosets and vicodine because of injuries and pain and then fall into addiction.
I've had broken bones and had to take pain killers such as kadian ( morphine based drug ) and let me tell you, kicking it is hell.
For the most part, it's your mind that can control any thing and if your will power is strong enough, it can overcome almost everything.
I'm always looking to find natural alternatives to prescription drugs.
Even though I take xanax and lunesta to help me sleep, I sometimes substitute them with warm milk and a banana and it works for me.
I also drink cranberry-rasberry juice every day to clear my kidneys.
That, combined with milk, banana, orange and a tespoon of honey a day has kept me in reasonable health, even though I've had the kind of injuries that had made most people cripples, but the mind is the one that ultimately decides yes or no.

[Gabriella Lynn]

Working out used to be addiction for me also. The physical stuff is the best kind of addiction in my opnion because you still have your mind with you.

I'm also pre diabetic and hate taking metphormine like I used to. I would rather take something from a supplement store to curb my ever growing appetite (symptom for certain diabetics) than take Metphormine, which made me sick and nauseous everyday.

All in all, a natural high on life and feeling good and happy is really where it's at. Too bad it's not the norm anymore.

[Powderfinger]

I understand people who use Pot for bad sickness....cancer and such. If I was dieing, I would try to stop the pain.

[Gabriella Lynn]

If it came down to it, I probably would too. But it would suck, although the pain would go away for the time your high, it would probably still be on the back burner and make the high a downer, unless you are a really good positive thinker.

If you haven't seen 50/50, it had a couple funny scenes while their high, it's a great movie.

[Powderfinger]

If you haven't seen 50/50, it had a couple funny scenes while their high, it's a great movie.

I haven't seen 50/50. After my coma they put me on a lot of drugs. Medical Practitioners really don't care when you're on your road to recovery. Some do, though, the most don't. It's bad to say that, but, what experienced... its the truth. :)

[Gabriella Lynn]

How long were you in a coma for?

[Powderfinger]

How long were you in a coma for?

2 and 1/2 weeks.

[Gabriella Lynn]

Ouch, do you remember anything about it? I may be asking super weird questions but I've never talked to someone that was in a coma before and I have a little bit of a fascination with it.

[Powderfinger]

I don't remember anything, I don't remember 2 days before it.

[Gabriella Lynn]

Bad memory?

[Powderfinger]

Maybe, I don't remember. ;)

[Gabriella Lynn]

Lmao, is that a ploy so people don't ask you?

[cinemaafficionado]

I've read somewhere that there is such a thing as an addition gene that predisposes you from the get go. I do belive that we are all unique beings and just like having a unique finger print also have unique immune systems so our coping would varry. That's why I wouldn't generalize when talking about drugs or addiction.

[Powderfinger]

MARIJUANA
At a glance
What is it?
Physical effects
Problems
Problems using marijuana (cannabis)
Short term

Difficulty concentrating
Impaired motor skills
Slow reflexes
Reduced coordination
Bloodshot or glassy eyes
Dryness of the mouth
Paranoia
Anxiety
Decreased motivation
Hallucinations
Long term

Dependence
Increased risk of respiratory illnesses (chronic bronchitis and lung, mouth, throat and tongue cancers)
Lowered sex drive
Impact on sperm count for males
Irregular menstrual cycles for females
Low birth weight babies
Memory loss
Learning difficulties
Lower educational attainment
Mood swings
Psychosis and psychotic symptoms
Suicidal thoughts
Problems associated with marijuana (cannabis) use are more common in those who first use at an early age and use higher doses for longer periods of time.

Marijuana (cannabis) use can also lead to deterioration in the condition of people with pre-existing mental illnesses and symptoms of schizophrenia.

As well as the serious physical and mental problems that marijuana (cannabis) use can cause, it can also lead to social and financial problems, poorer educational outcomes and the breakdown of relationships with family and friends.

Dependence on marijuana (cannabis)

When someone uses marijuana (cannabis) regularly they usually develop a tolerance for the drug. This means they have to use more to get the same effect as their brain has become used to functioning with the drug present.

One of the main symptoms of cannabis dependence is a loss of control over use. People crave the drug and find it difficult to stop using it.

If a person is dependent on marijuana (cannabis) and suddenly stops using it, they usually experience withdrawal symptoms, as their body readjusts to functioning without the drug. These symptoms usually last for less than a week, although people experience difficulties with concentration, memory and learning, plus problems sleeping for a longer period.

Marijuana (cannabis) withdrawal symptoms may include:

irritability, anxiety and nervousness
anger and aggression
loss of appetite
excessive sweating (particularly at night)
disturbed and restless sleep with strange nightmares
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[cinemaafficionado]

Dr. Powderfinger that's a pretty thorough diagnosis. Reps.

[Powderfinger]

Dr. Powderfinger that's a pretty thorough diagnosis. Reps.

Doctor hey :D I got it from a Australian Government website. Though now I'm thinking I probably shouldn't have wrote this lol! :D

[SammyJ88]

irritability, anxiety and nervousness
anger and aggression
loss of appetite
excessive sweating (particularly at night)
disturbed and restless sleep with strange nightmares
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Back to Top button doesn't work :p. Anyways, I mostly agree with cinemaafficionado everyone is unique (I can't comment on specific genes etc), and peoples actions/decisions are all relative to the persons experiences and situations as with most things, I had a room mate who moved in about a year ago for nearly 3 months he was a weed fiend. He would wake up at 5am rip a few bongs, go back to bed then wake up for work at 7am chipper as, have his 4 weet-bix, fruit etc and off he goes for another productive day. It wouldn't stop there he would have have a few more sessions through the day, if you met the dude on the street you wouldn't even know (most of the time) he does it. I was impressed and perplexed, that guy had a major problem with weed but never touched other drugs.

I have heard the argument of certain drugs possibly sparking mental illness, in relation to the topic marijuana from what I personally know and have read I don't believe it could, but do believe harder drugs may do. No real relation to the thread topic at all but.....I remember in high school a mental health worker coming in to talk about various related things, one thing she showed was drawings of cat's by Louis Wain who was diagnosed with schizophrenia, they become quite freaky, but as it says in the description people are unsure if the drawings were created one after the other, interesting to see though. http://www.gmilburn.ca/2008/07/04/wains-kalideoscope-cats/

[Gabriella Lynn]

I've read somewhere that there is such a thing as an addition gene that predisposes you from the get go. I do belive that we are all unique beings and just like having a unique finger print also have unique immune systems so our coping would varry. That's why I wouldn't generalize when talking about drugs or addiction.


I get what your saying but it's so hard to not generalize. At least for me. I'm told I'm really opinionated and can't be swayed,but I don't think it's true because theres the gray in all of us that can agree with either side of an arguement without having a one sided opinion. Does what I just typed even make sense? lol. What I mean with all that is that I think we all realize that everyone is unique but unless we don't generalize, our points may not come out right.

[Gabriella Lynn]

MARIJUANA
At a glance
What is it?
Physical effects
Problems
Problems using marijuana (cannabis)
Short term

Difficulty concentrating
Impaired motor skills
Slow reflexes
Reduced coordination
Bloodshot or glassy eyes
Dryness of the mouth
Paranoia
Anxiety
Decreased motivation
Hallucinations
Long term

Dependence
Increased risk of respiratory illnesses (chronic bronchitis and lung, mouth, throat and tongue cancers)
Lowered sex drive
Impact on sperm count for males
Irregular menstrual cycles for females
Low birth weight babies
Memory loss
Learning difficulties
Lower educational attainment
Mood swings
Psychosis and psychotic symptoms
Suicidal thoughts
Problems associated with marijuana (cannabis) use are more common in those who first use at an early age and use higher doses for longer periods of time.

Marijuana (cannabis) use can also lead to deterioration in the condition of people with pre-existing mental illnesses and symptoms of schizophrenia.

As well as the serious physical and mental problems that marijuana (cannabis) use can cause, it can also lead to social and financial problems, poorer educational outcomes and the breakdown of relationships with family and friends.

Dependence on marijuana (cannabis)

When someone uses marijuana (cannabis) regularly they usually develop a tolerance for the drug. This means they have to use more to get the same effect as their brain has become used to functioning with the drug present.

One of the main symptoms of cannabis dependence is a loss of control over use. People crave the drug and find it difficult to stop using it.

If a person is dependent on marijuana (cannabis) and suddenly stops using it, they usually experience withdrawal symptoms, as their body readjusts to functioning without the drug. These symptoms usually last for less than a week, although people experience difficulties with concentration, memory and learning, plus problems sleeping for a longer period.

Marijuana (cannabis) withdrawal symptoms may include:

irritability, anxiety and nervousness
anger and aggression
loss of appetite
excessive sweating (particularly at night)
disturbed and restless sleep with strange nightmares
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I've been looking for a doctor, are you free friday, 12:00PM? lol

[John McClane]

Yes, all last week.

[Gabriella Lynn]

What? lol

[Dog Star Man]

I don't drink alcohol, do any drug including marijuana, the only thing I do is smoke tobacco and even that I'm trying to give up because it messes with my medications, (and it's unhealthy). I hope by the end of this year I can be off tobacco completely, yesterday I smoked every half hour. Now I'm smoking once every hour, and tomorrow I hope to smoke once every hour and a half. But I'm of the opinion that whatever people choose to put in their own bodies is their own business, as long as it doesn't harm anyone else.

[Gabriella Lynn]

I disagree only because Yeah, people have the freedom to choose to put whatever they want in their body but it would be so sad watching your parents or child killing themselves because they decided to become addicted to crack or only want to smoke weed or just want to be an alcoholic. It's heart breaking.

[Sedai]

So....educate your child on the harms of drugs and how it affects their lives. Once they become older, they can then make an educated decision as to whether or not the risk is worth it to them for what they get in return, if anything. I don't think anyone just up and "decides" they want to be a drug addict, and not all drugs lead to desperate addiction, anyway.

While I can understand why the reason you listed above might inspire you to not take up this lifestyle, and it would be a good choice for you, I know plenty of people that can responsibly partake from time to time while still maintaining a career, education, family-life and all the rest - it's just being responsible with one's actions, in my eyes.

Once again, any law that seeks to constrict your freedom over your own body, when no one else's rights are being violated, is in my eyes unjust legislation.

[The Rodent]

Not really paid much attention with this thread really. Mary Jane is something I did when I was a teenager, but I grew out of it when I was 17. It sent me to a place I really didn't want to go.

I've seen it lead to much worse and have seen the long term damage it alone does to people.
Some people have no problem physically or mentally when they smoke the stuff, but I've known people, including one who was quite close, destroy themselves from using the stuff.

I've also got five friends in the ground from using the stuff too.

If you do it, that's up to you, but I've been there and seen the damage on more than one level.

Just don't spark one up in visual range of me. I knocked a mate out cold when he did so in my home a few years back. Not spoken to him since.

That's all I have to say on the matter.

[Gabriella Lynn]

So....educate your child on the harms of drugs and how it affects their lives. Once they become older, they can then make an educated decision as to whether or not the risk is worth it to them for what they get in return, if anything. I don't think anyone just up and "decides" they want to be a drug addict, and not all drugs lead to desperate addiction, anyway.

While I can understand why the reason you listed above might inspire you to not take up this lifestyle, and it would be a good choice for you, I know plenty of people that can responsibly partake from time to time while still maintaining a career, education, family-life and all the rest - it's just being responsible with one's actions, in my eyes.

Once again, any law that seeks to constrict your freedom over your own body, when no one else's rights are being violated, is in my eyes unjust legislation.


Well yeah I too know tons of people that can smoke and still have a job and a personal life and it works for them. I am not one of those people at all! lol I do know that although it may be rare, some people with a depressive state before substance abuse can make the decision to become addicted because they think it's better than being sober and facing the world. My dad was one of those people. He's still the dad I love but he's let himself go so far living that life that it pushed him off the edge.

[Gabriella Lynn]

I'm also scared with the case of children because if I had children with my boyfriend, both of us have families with addictive personalities including ourselves and just because him and I made the smart choice to move on from our substance abuse, what if our children don't. Is education enough? What if it really comes down to genetically, you know?

[Gabrielle947]

I've never tried it but I don't want to.Actually it's not very popular in my country,too.

[Gabriella Lynn]

Really? Can I ask what is?

[Gabrielle947]

The classic - alcohol and cigarettes. :D

[Gabriella Lynn]

Lol, Where do you live? Lithuania? Does your country have high crime rates?

[Gabrielle947]

there are certain cities which are famous for their crime rate.One stand-up comedian who lives in one of those cities joked that news contain 2 minutes of sports,1 min of weather and half and hour of crimes. :D
Well to be honest I think that the most often crime is driving drunk.

[Gabriella Lynn]

Lmao! Whats your drinking age there?

[Gabrielle947]

18.Although that doesn't make much difference because it's easy to buy alcohol not having eighteen years but I think that's in all countries. :D

[Gabriella Lynn]

Lol well here you gotta have someone older if you want it. I knew a couple people that could when they were younger because they looked older than 21 but I have never ever tried lol.

[cinemaafficionado]

Well, this is a noteworthy classic discussion - Gabrielle and Gabriella.:)

[Gabriella Lynn]

Lol we're swapping tips!

[Brodinski]

Just don't spark one up in visual range of me. I knocked a mate out cold when he did so in my home a few years back.

That's an option. Another one would've been telling him to put it out. Him being your 'mate', there might've been a chance he'd a done that...

[Flimmaker1473]

I used to smoke weed. I smoke for the first time in my freshmen year. Then I stopped until my senior year. I smoked on weekends until the summer. Then I smoked everyday. I just hung out with potheads. I realize the people who I hung out with would either use me for weed or just weren't good people. And I was going broke by buying weed when I didn't really need to. I've smoked in over three months now and I don't really plan on going back to it. Plus I got in trouble in the law twice for it and had to do community service. It was really recreational only and a phase of my life that has past. Weed is just too much of a hassle if you live in a state that it isn't decriminalized in. It can ruin your life if you are not careful.

I've have done other things too. I tried E a few times. I have tripped on Shrooms and LSD a few times too. But no real hard drugs. I am glad I did those when I did them. I got that stuff out of my system. Now I am going the rest of my life clear.

I used to smoke cigs. But I quit those three months ago. I still drink every now and then though.

[earlsmoviepicks]

I used to smoke weed. I still do, but I used to too.

[Yoda]

Don't forget to send the royalty to the Hedberg Estate.

[Sedai]

I sure am hungry.

[The Rodent]

I've have done other things too. I tried E a few times. I have tripped on Shrooms and LSD a few times too. But no real hard drugs. I am glad I did those when I did them. I got that stuff out of my system. Now I am going the rest of my life clear.


So what would you class as 'hard drugs' if not LSD and Ecstasy? They're two of the worst you can take.


Glad you're sorting yourself out though, you're better off without that stuff.

[Flimmaker1473]

So what would you class as 'hard drugs' if not LSD and Ecstasy? They're two of the worst you can take.


Glad you're sorting yourself out though, you're better off without that stuff.
Trust me those aren't hard drugs compared to what is available around me. Like Coke, Special K. Or hell Meth and Heroin. I see E and LSD as harder than Weed for sure, but not hard, hard drugs.

[Powderfinger]

Trust me those aren't hard drugs compared to what is available around me. Like Coke, Special K. Or hell Meth and Heroin. I see E and LSD as harder than Weed for sure, but not hard, hard drugs.

Well yes, though a mate of mine died...he killed himself. He smoked dope all the time, then he developed schizophrenia. Meth addicts do crime & herion addicts also. E's are taken for expressing oneself...LSD are taken when people don't know that the weed they're smoking is laced with acid.

[nebbit]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/27/us/florida-cannibal-attack/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

^ Read above. A Florida man who violently chewed off a man's face -- police had to kill this guy to stop him -- originally they thought he was on bath salts. Now they're saying he had only used MARIJUANA.

Is this an attempt to make marijuana look really terrible?
Sounds like it was bad for this guy and the one that had his face eaten off :eek: either way very sad :(

[earlsmoviepicks]

That's so crazy. Compare violent crimes stemming from alcohol vs marijuana....

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/27/us/florida-cannibal-attack/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

^ Read above. A Florida man who violently chewed off a man's face -- police had to kill this guy to stop him -- originally they thought he was on bath salts. Now they're saying he had only used MARIJUANA.

Is this an attempt to make marijuana look really terrible?

[ollanik]

marijuana is not a problem,that person is just crazy with or without weed
maybe it is attempt to make marijuana look really terrible,but only in eyes of really stupid people

[nebbit]

marijuana is not a problem,that person is just crazy with or without weed
maybe it is attempt to make marijuana look really terrible,but only in eyes of really stupid people
Its not a problem to you :yup: but it is to some :yup: and hey the guy may be mad without it, I don't know :nope:

[AKA23]

Never have and never will.

[Devils Angel]

Smoked it twice in my life when i was 16 to "impress a boy" Would never touch the stuff again, it just hold no interest to me. Same as all other drugs, I just do not have that "urge" to try any of them. I dont drink very often, id probably say I drink on average a glass of wine or the equivelent to that once every 3months.

I do however think, if you want to do it, thats your choice. Though any of my friends that do, or that do coke wont do it around me out of respect for my dislike of the stuff.

I do however smoke normal Tobbacco, which I wish I didnt.

[D34DT0Y]

{Marijuana} is still in it is infancy as a recreational drug compared to Alcohol and tobacco

Not true at all. Both marijuana and alcohol recreational use can be traced back before 3000 BC. Tobacco on the other hand has only been used as a recreational drug for a few hundred years.

[nebbit]

Not true at all. Both marijuana and alcohol recreational use can be traced back before 3000 BC. Tobacco on the other hand has only been used as a recreational drug for a few hundred years.
That maybe so but people weren't using as much marijuana as other drugs :nope: It is only now that studies are emerging about the long term effects of its use :yup: Both Alcohol and Cigarettes effects have been known for a while :yup:

[D34DT0Y]

That maybe so but people weren't using as much marijuana as other drugs :nope:

And you know this because you have been alive for 6000 years? :eek:


It is only now that studies are emerging about the long term effects of its use :yup:

Again this isn't true ... new research yes, But, it has been researched time and time again for both short and long term effects ... starting with the Greek historian Herodotus. And the Roman Emperor Nero's surgeon, Dioscoride praised marijuana benefits after all the research he did on it. ;)

[nebbit]

And you know this because you have been alive for 6000 years? :eek:
No :rolleyes: but I do work in the area of mental illness and Drug and Alcohol addiction :yup:




Again this isn't true ... new research yes, But, it has been researched time and time again for both short and long term effects ... starting with the Greek historian Herodotus. And the Roman Emperor Nero's surgeon, Dioscoride praised marijuana benefits after all the research he did on it. ;)
All addicts can rationalise their taking of drugs :yup:

[nebbit]

Nebbit, what about what I was asking about -- this depersonalization disorder in regards to marijuana? Is that something you've ever worked with a patient for -- did they ever get that from taking marijuana?
It is something that some people experience while taking the drug and usually stops when it is out of their system :yup: But, there is always exceptions to the rule :yup: it is like playing Russian roulette :eek: I have smoked it and I am one of the lucky ones that is ok :goof:

[Powderfinger]

Not true at all. Both marijuana and alcohol recreational use can be traced back before 3000 BC. Tobacco on the other hand has only been used as a recreational drug for a few hundred years.

I heard years ago that the egyptians with the slaves when they were building the ? the Pyd....I can't think of the name?????? They got rations with beer, no s***!

[cricket]

I don't smoke it at all; I haven't tried it in 10 years, don't like it. But my wife smokes an ounce a week.

[Flimmaker1473]

I don't smoke it at all; I haven't tried it in 10 years, don't like it. But my wife smokes an ounce a week.
Your wife smokes an O a week? That is badass. A normal week for me would have been smoking a quarter. Though when some friends and I went to visit some friends in VA we smoked half an O in two days.

[Justin]

Of course.

[Powderfinger]

Your wife smokes an O a week? That is badass. A normal week for me would have been smoking a quarter. Though when some friends and I went to visit some friends in VA we smoked half an O in two days.

That's not very Christians of you! :D I take it you don't mention that Church..lol! :D

[Flimmaker1473]

That's not very Christians of you! :D I take it you don't mention that Church..lol! :D
Hey it doesn't say in the bible to not smoke weed. It does say say we are to put only natural things into our bodies and marijuana is a totally natural herb. And until it was made illegal, was used by many cultures in many ways for it's healing ability. (Smoked, drank as tea, used in cooking.) And those ancient people lived long, healthy lives.

[Powderfinger]

Hey it doesn't say in the bible to not smoke weed. It does say say we are to put only natural things into our bodies and marijuana is a totally natural herb. And until it was made illegal, was used by many cultures in many ways for it's healing ability. (Smoked, drank as tea, used in cooking.) And those ancient people lived long, healthy lives.

Fair point! Do you do opiates, well years ago they use too...very religious people. I have no problem.

[candyangel420]

Yup. It's my favorite way to watch...some movies. Not the best idea before Irreversible.

[Flimmaker1473]

Fair point! Do you do opiates, well years ago they use too...very religious people. I have no problem.
I have tried percocet.

[Powderfinger]

I have tried percocet.

I had to look it up. Though 2 brain injuries I probably was on a lot of drugs, however! I don't know what they were...lol! :D

[cricket]

Your wife smokes an O a week? That is badass. A normal week for me would have been smoking a quarter. Though when some friends and I went to visit some friends in VA we smoked half an O in two days.

It's funny; she's very healthy, works out every day, eats right and is a clinical manager at a drug facility. She just smokes a ton of weed, always has.

[Powderfinger]

It's funny; she's very healthy, works out every day, eats right and is a clinical manager at a drug facility. She just smokes a ton of weed, always has.

lol! :D Love is grand isn't it! :D

[Flimmaker1473]

It's funny; she's very healthy, works out every day, eats right and is a clinical manager at a drug facility. She just smokes a ton of weed, always has.
She is one of those people who know how to be responsible and still enjoy the herb. I have seen a lot of friends lives go sour (getting in trouble with the law, losing money etc) because of weed.

[Powderfinger]

. I have seen a lot of friends lives go sour (getting in trouble with the law, losing money etc) because of weed.

Me too!

One of my brothers smokes weed occasionally. Enough-though he has ? (I can't remember the name, when the e's & a's get mixed up when spelling words. His wife does all the book work ;)) He works hard though. He doesn't smoke the potent weed, mainly leaf and crap like that.

[nebbit]

It's funny; she's very healthy, is a clinical manager at a drug facility. She just smokes a ton of weed, always has.
A little bit of an oxymoron :yup:

[Critics]

Been completely sober for over a year now from several substances, never got hooked on Marijuana though, I used it casually, but that's long in the past.

[chipper]

never tried it and, most likely, never will.

i have an addictive personality... so i try to steer clear of stuff that i know will hook me.

[medusa2012]

it's dangerous, you end up crazy.

[resmarted]

this thread makes me wanna smoke weed so bad

[Critics]

it's dangerous, you end up crazy.

I think you are over-exaggerating things.

[Deadite]

I vaguely remember this thread. :D

[Proximity]

Yes.

[Equilibrium]

i vaguely remember creating this thread...

[nebbit]

Where have you been? so nice to see you :kiss:

[ollanik]

i want 83 joints

[John McClane]

hehe :D

[kXnPunk]

Yup. Daily.
Puff, puff, pass... X)=*

[Mr Minio]

No. I do not do drugs. Do not smoke. Do not drink alcohol. Teetotaller.

[ManOf1000Faces]

Yes I Do Smoke Marijuana and I find it quite annoying that there are thousands of alcohol & cigarette deaths but no marijuana deaths. It's already legal in Oregon & California. Why not the whole Country??

[Powderfinger]

Yes I Do Smoke Marijuana and I find it quite annoying that there are thousands of alcohol & cigarette deaths but no marijuana deaths. It's already legal in Oregon & California. Why not the whole Country??

Well, that's incorrect about "but no marijuana deaths". My best mate about 16 years ago he killed himself, as he had Schizophrenia. He started smoking pot and that lead him to his death. Go to a Mental ward and ask the Doctors what smoking pot can do!

[ManOf1000Faces]

Well, that's incorrect about "but no marijuana deaths". My best mate about 16 years ago he killed himself, as he had Schizophrenia. He started smoking pot and that lead him to his death. Go to a Mental ward and ask the Doctors what smoking pot can do!

I'm very sorry to hear that. But look at it in the other spotlight. I have read thousands of stories who have prolonged or born diseases and with the regular use of Marijuana they have shown many improvements. Marijuana has more positives then negatives. There are more deaths including Alcohol & Cigarettes.
And if he killed himself. the drug didn't do it.He did it. Marijuana don't have any ingredients to make you have suicidal thoughts. He must of been doing more than just Marijuana.

[Powderfinger]

Actually, you're right about Alcohol & Cigarettes however, Pot/weed lead to Mental problems. Nebbit would know more than you and I. Also, Alcohol and Cigarettes are legal and Weed isn't unless you have a Medical Certificate.

[ManOf1000Faces]

Weed does lead to Mental Problems. I smoke weed regularly but It helps me. I do have ADHD and a speech problem. If you want to know all about Marijuana watch the Documentary called ''The Union" the business behind marijuana.

[Powderfinger]

I have Speech Problems also, though I don't take weed to fix it. Actually, it probably would decrease my ability to speech.

I was watching the Soprano's last night and the Boss's kid, they thought he may have ADHD.

[nebbit]

I'm very sorry to hear that. But look at it in the other spotlight. I have read thousands of stories who have prolonged or born diseases and with the regular use of Marijuana they have shown many improvements. Marijuana has more positives then negatives. There are more deaths including Alcohol & Cigarettes.
And if he killed himself. the drug didn't do it.He did it. Marijuana don't have any ingredients to make you have suicidal thoughts. He must of been doing more than just Marijuana.
That is the argument all people use when there use is challenged :yup: I work in Psychiatry and I am sad the part it plays in peoples mental illness :(

[Equilibrium]

Where have you been? so nice to see you :kiss:

I've been away becoming a doctor, so that maybe you'll fall in love with me and run off into the horizon with me.....


;)

How have you been??

[Equilibrium]

That is the argument all people use when there use is challenged :yup: I work in Psychiatry and I am sad the part it plays in peoples mental illness :(


Not to antagonize you or to counter your experiences, but a lot of evidence shows that Marijuana may increase the onset of Schizophrenia but only in people who will eventually get it anyways. In other words, MJ doesn't cause mental problems, it only exacerbates existing mental issues.

[nebbit]

Not to antagonize you or to counter your experiences, but a lot of evidence shows that Marijuana may increase the onset of Schizophrenia but only in people who will eventually get it anyways. In other words, MJ doesn't cause mental problems, it only exacerbates existing mental issues.
Agree that it increases the onset of schizophrenia there is no proof that these people will get it eventually :nope: My friend was smoking a lot of dope back in the eighties, she was having a hard time with it eg very paranoid, hearing voices, she spoke to me about it and advised her to stop it as she could be susceptible to getting schizophrenia :eek: she did stop :cool: Her younger brother a few years later started smoking, :( he didn't stop :( he has severe Schizophrenia, she feels very close to him as she feels that could have been her if she hadn't listened to what I had to say. :)

MJ does give some people Anxiety :yup: if it isn't a problem then why do we specialist units here in Australia dedicated to the treatment of MJ abuse :yup:

Anyway Hi :kiss: Can't run off with you sweetie you may want me to smoke MJ :laugh:

Glad to hear you are now a Dr :yup: I am good, still working with lovely people who have mental illness :yup:

[Powderfinger]

Not to antagonize you or to counter your experiences, but a lot of evidence shows that Marijuana may increase the onset of Schizophrenia but only in people who will eventually get it anyways. In other words, MJ doesn't cause mental problems, it only exacerbates existing mental issues.

You're a Doctor and I congratulate you on that, however I have seen a lot of Doctors over the years. Mainly injuries and years ago I had a Doctor who thought my under expected crapping was nerves! :rolleyes: For about 1 year I suffered with it and I decided to go to another Doctor....what did the new Doctor do? She gave me blood tests, urine tests, crap (sh**) test and what did they find? I had camera up my butt, I forget the name!! Anyway, they discovered I had colitis! ;) One year on this medication and I was fine.

Most Doctors I have met, they don't care at all. Someone like nebbit who each day deals with patients with mental disorders, I would back her! Every time. No hard feelings.

[Watch_Tower]

I don't drink or do any hard drugs but I have been known to smoke a lil of this while I'm at uni. Just for a laugh. Nothing serious, I'm not an addict.

[John McClane]

I love pot roast. Oh wait, wrong thread?

[Equilibrium]

Anyway Hi :kiss: Can't run off with you sweetie you may want me to smoke MJ :laugh:

Glad to hear you are now a Dr :yup: I am good, still working with lovely people who have mental illness :yup:


Oh sweetheart, I don't smoke MJ...so you can till run off with me ;).

[Equilibrium]

You're a Doctor and I congratulate you on that, however I have seen a lot of Doctors over the years. Mainly injuries and years ago I had a Doctor who thought my under expected crapping was nerves! :rolleyes: For about 1 year I suffered with it and I decided to go to another Doctor....what did the new Doctor do? She gave me blood tests, urine tests, crap (sh**) test and what did they find? I had camera up my butt, I forget the name!! Anyway, they discovered I had colitis! ;) One year on this medication and I was fine.

Most Doctors I have met, they don't care at all. Someone like nebbit who each day deals with patients with mental disorders, I would back her! Every time. No hard feelings.

You had a colonoscopy, and yes unfortunately a lot of doctors out there don't really care...I'd like to think I'm not one of them.

[cinemaafficionado]

Tried some hash once as a teen. First it made me goofy, then it made me hungry and then it made me paranoid. I passed on it since. I have a good friend that I've known for about 15 years. He nad his wife smoke pot every day prior to going to sleep. They've been doing it since I've known them.
Lately, I can't help but notice how slow they've become. Slower in every way.

[Powderfinger]

You had a colonoscopy, and yes unfortunately a lot of doctors out there don't really care...I'd like to think I'm not one of them.

Cheers Doc, it was a colonoscopy. The only thing I will say...listen to your patients, they now their body, some doctors don't listen at all.

[nebbit]

All you young guys should read this :yup:

Marijuana use tied to testicular cancer in young men, cocaine use linked to risk reduction
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(Credit: iStockphoto) (CBS News) Marijuana smoking may lead some men to develop especially serious types of testicular cancer, a new study finds.
The study - published online September 10 in the American Cancer Society's journal, Cancer - suggests that not only recreational pot-use but medicinal marijuana-smoking may be risky for young males.

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Researchers from the University of Southern California in Los Angeles surveyed 163 young men diagnosed with testicular cancer on their past drug use and compared that data to self-reported histories from 292 healthy men of the same age and ethnicities.

Testicular cancer is the most common cancer diagnosed in men between 15 and 34, according to the Mayo Clinic, despite being considered rare compared to other types of cancer. There are two main types of testicular cancer: nonseminomas, which are thought to be more aggressive, develop earlier and grow and spread more rapidly and seminomas, which aren't as aggressive and respond better to radiation treatments.

The USC researchers found that men who had a history of smoking pot were more than twice as likely to have nonseminoma testicular cancer or another subtype called mixed germ cell tumors, which like nonseminomas, are linked to a worse prognosis.

"The group that is at risk for developing these tumors is overwhelmingly young men," study author Dr. Victoria Cortessis, assistant professor of preventive medicine at USC's Keck School of Medicine, told NBCNews.com.

The researchers weren't certain what explained this effect, but speculate marijuana may act on the body's cellular network that responds to marijuana, the endocannabinoid system, that is tied to the sperm production.

[Powderfinger]

It's like when your Mother told you to stop playing with yourself or otherwise your willy will fall off! :D

[bighuey]

I tried it once and got sick and puked my guts out. I figured that stuff wasnt for me.

[nebbit]

Don't smoke pot or your balls will rot!
:yup:

[John McClane]

Court case dismissed. :D

[Kimmie]

Marijuana is boring! Always puts me to sleep! :(

[Cobpyth]

I do it approximately once a week, but always with friends, just to amuse ourselves. I'm also a heavy drinker two times a week and a regular smoker, but I don't intend to keep this lifestyle forever. As soon as I've finished my studies and have a job, I'll certainly reduce theses habits. But right now I feel young and happy, so why not try some things?

I also have the advantage of really enjoying all this stuff. I don't often get sick and together with friends we have some very good times after or while 'using' them. It empties the mind from worries. It's a great form of escapism, in my opinion. I can see, though, why some people think it's better to keep the mind clean.

I still think there's nothing better than watching an incredibly good movie, though. There's no bigger 'kick' than that for me, except maybe being with a beautiful and nice girl that attracts me. ;)

[will.15]

This thread has gone to pot.

[Sedai]

I forgot what I was going to say...

[DexterRiley]

I am not convinced that it is less damaging than Alcohol and Tobacco :nope: i see many people who have problems related to their marijuana use :yup: it is still in it is infancy as a recreational drug compared to Alcohol and tobacco, we are seeing many physical changes in peoples brains and there lungs due to it, time will tell :(

I have tried it, I loved it, I am glad that I don't use it now, i see friends that have been smoking it for 30 yrs and they appear brain dead. :yup:

Annectotal tales aside, the medical journals kept since the beginning of time disagree with you.

[teeter_g]

I have tried it. I didn't care much for it. I didn't really feel like it did anything for me.

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

Nope, I never have.
And Most likely never will.

[Nausicaä]

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[Yoda]

Life's got too many things that are genuinely interesting for me to want to dull my senses so that mediocre things just seem more interesting.

[Guaporense]

No. Because it kills neurons.

[Proximity]

Life's got too many things that are genuinely interesting for me to want to dull my senses so that mediocre things just seem more interesting.

So marijuana gets no points for making genuinely interesting things even more fascinating?

No. Because it kills neurons.

I read somewhere that this effect is exaggerated and that the experiments conducted to produce those figures subjected the test group to dosages hundreds of times in excess of the acceptable amount for humans. Not saying you have a bad reason for not smoking pot - you can do whatever you want - buy yeah.



Either way, some of the most brilliant people in the world consume(d) marijuana. That's not an excuse to do it in excess, but it's an interesting thing to note.

[Yoda]

It dulls your wits. That's what I mean. Things that weren't previously funny suddenly are. Why? Not because they got funnier. Because your standards for what constitutes funny got lower.

There were things I enjoyed as a kid that I don't enjoy now. They didn't get worse; I got better. I see no reason to deliberately revert to a previous state. I'd rather find things that are impressive and enriching to me even when I have all my faculties.

[Guaporense]

Tried some hash once as a teen. First it made me goofy, then it made me hungry and then it made me paranoid. I passed on it since. I have a good friend that I've known for about 15 years. He nad his wife smoke pot every day prior to going to sleep. They've been doing it since I've known them.
Lately, I can't help but notice how slow they've become. Slower in every way.

Indeed. That's the reason why I never tried pot. If there wasn't any long term effects of smoking pot, though, I would try it certainly and if I liked I would smoke it every day.

[Yoda]

So marijuana gets no points for making genuinely interesting things even more fascinating?
They're not more fascinating; you're more fascinated by them. I'd be more fascinated by a magic trick if I were less intelligent, too. Doesn't mean I want to be.

[CelluloidChild]

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[The Rodent]

http://kdramasummerviewingchallenge.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/gifs_ace_ventura_dancing.gif?w=714

[CelluloidChild]

The best thing about pot is that it can lead to some really consciousness-expanding drugs like LSD.

Although I would suggest that after a couple of trips, lay off the drugs and see if it's possible to attain the same expanded consciousness without them.

[Proximity]

It dulls your wits. That's what I mean. Things that weren't previously funny suddenly are. Why? Not because they got funnier. Because your standards for what constitutes funny got lower.

There were things I enjoyed as a kid that I don't enjoy now. They didn't get worse; I got better. I see no reason to deliberately revert to a previous state. I'd rather find things that are impressive and enriching to me even when I have all my faculties.

Do you drink alcohol?

They're not more fascinating; you're more fascinated by them. I'd be more fascinated by a magic trick if I were less intelligent, too. Doesn't mean I want to be.

http://420tribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/marijuana-quote-carl-sagan.jpg

To each their own. (http://420tribune.com/2011/04/carl-sagan-quotes-on-marijuana/)

[mark f]

No. Because it kills neurons.

What's your excuse then? ;)

[Yoda]

Yeah, I'm not suggesting it's some terrible thing that will ruin your life. Just that I don't see why I would want to pay money to do something illegal (whether it should be or not) that's just going to dull my faculties. I'd rather spend that time and money pursuing things that are genuinely interesting rather than dulling my faculties until ordinary things seem like they are.

I think defending pot use is kind of like defending eating candy bars. It's pretty hard to pretend it's a big deal, but it's also pretty hard to pretend it's the kind of thing the best versions of ourselves would do, too.

[The Rodent]

I'll resort back to one of my original posts on the thread.

Loads of people say there's no harm in it... it's harmless... it's just recreational... some even say it's good for you.
These people are obviously damaged from it and can't, and I mean they mentally can't see what it is actually doing.


As an ex-pothead I can honestly say...

Marijuana is a lethal drug that does immediate and irreparable damage to the brain... the only way to notice what it does, is to quit and look back at the way you were once after you're off the stuff.

I gave the stuff up when I was 17... and honestly, I'm disgusted that I smoked the stuff and with the way I used to behave while on it.

[Proximity]

Yeah, I'm not suggesting it's some terrible thing that will ruin your life. Just that I don't see why I would want to pay money to do something illegal (whether it should be or not) that's just going to dull my faculties. I'd rather spend that time and money pursuing things that are genuinely interesting rather than dulling my faculties until ordinary things seem like they are.

I think defending pot use is kind of like defending eating candy bars. It's pretty hard to pretend it's a big deal, but it's also pretty hard to pretend it's the kind of thing the best versions of ourselves would do, too.

It's your money. Do what you want with it.

re: bold
Well, maybe your best you wouldn't do it. I think, however, there are a lot of people of varying ability and class that have had their lives enhanced by the use of marijuana. It's not for everyone, of course, and there are people who have fallen off because of their excessive use, but I don't think you can make that statement for anyone but yourself and maybe those that agree with you.

@Rodent
It's a bit of a reach calling the drug lethal.

[The Rodent]

My IQ dropped a number of points while I was on it and while at school it damaged pretty much everything I learned.

Spent a number of years relearning a lot of stuff. Tbh, I remember little of what I was taught at school.

I've lost a bunch of friends, and lost my brother, all because of weed... and other drugs too... but it always started and continued with Marijuana as the baseline of the problems... eventually it claims lives. Guaranteed.

My brother never did anything heavier than weed... but it destroyed him. He ended up going nuts... that was one of the catalysts for me quitting smoking it.

[CelluloidChild]

Not helpful to generalize.

From my vast experience of this topic it's clear that pot has a wide variety of effects on people, their brains, creativity, etc, depending on the individual.

http://guycodeblog.mtv.com//wp-content/uploads/clutch/2013/02/paranoia.gif


'When you smoke the herb, it reveals you to yourself.'
http://www.sunshinedaydream.biz/assets/images/posters/bob-marley-spliff-guitar-poster.jpg

[mark f]

Sorry about your Brother, Rodent. But it does sound like Reefer Madness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1jB7RBGVGk

[The Rodent]

Cheers Mark... it started with paranoia, eventually became serious.

I've had friends go down the same path.


It's another of the reasons why I've kept away from this thread all this time after I posted a couple posts a while back.

[CelluloidChild]

Also sorry about your brother, Rodent.

My last post was not in response to yours (I hadn't seen it yet) but rather a general commentary on this thread.

[Yoda]

Do you drink alcohol?
Not really. I don't not drink, in the sense of avoiding it. But I don't care for it much either, no.

But keep in mind that I didn't suggest there was anything inherently wrong with sometimes wanting to dull your senses. I don't think there's much wrong with wanting to eat fast food, either. I think both are pretty clearly sub-optimal indulgences done for relatively simple, base reasons. Where I start scoffing is when someone tries to convince me that it's enriching their lives.

http://420tribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/marijuana-quote-carl-sagan.jpg

To each their own. (http://420tribune.com/2011/04/carl-sagan-quotes-on-marijuana/)
Indeed.

[CelluloidChild]

And it made me NICE.

Puff away, dude :D

[The Rodent]

I agree with the effects of smoking it...

I enjoyed a smoke. The serenity and peace... or stoned feeling as you may say... was nice.
Made me find humour in things that were so childish they weren't even funny... and humour in things that weren't even meant to be humorous to begin with.

My whole argument... is the damage it does that doesn't get noticed by people who smoke it.
They don't notice that their brain is getting fried beyond repair, because basically, their brain is fried and they can't see it.

[CelluloidChild]

I admit I am skeptical of the claims that marijuana is this great, nonharmful drug. And I encouragae others to share their stories about what they think marijuana has done -- because I've tried to speak about why marijuana might be bad in the past to a group of people online, and they all attacked me and made me look like an idiot. I'm sure some of you are thinking, well, yeah. But this was just kind of strange to me. I mean, I think these pro-marijuana people can literally act like robotic zombies that just say whatever's been piped into them by other marijuana activists.

Marijuana could have dangers, but I think it's fascinating even if that's true. I haven't been destroyed by marijuana, thankfully -- and I even think it's enriched my life.

The last time I smoked marijuana, though... I didn't enjoy it that much. It made me have weird, but interesting thoughts, and I had trouble focusing at first... and then suddenly I was focusing and reading people better than I can when sober. And it made me NICE. It wasn't that much of a trip as it's been in the past.... I did feel like I could commune with animals, though. These dogs and cats were around and I would bend down and pet them and I felt like I was on some kind of level with them. I layed back in this chair and let a dog sleep in my lap. It was interesting.

In a more serious response to your post, I agree that pot - and other drugs - has the ability to immediately open us up to experiences that we would not ordinarily have. However, increased use does not necessarily mean more or better such experiences. And, as some people have said, heavy use can have serious effects on some people.

An interesting experiment is to take those experiences and see if it's possible to achieve the same consciousness without the drugs. E.g. through meditation.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8d/Brother_sun_sister_moon.jpg

[Yoda]

It's your money. Do what you want with it.
Word.

Well, maybe your best you wouldn't do it. I think, however, there are a lot of people of varying ability and class that have had their lives enhanced by the use of marijuana. It's not for everyone, of course, and there are people who have fallen off because of their excessive use, but I don't think you can make that statement for anyone but yourself and maybe those that agree with you.
Maybe. But you can say that about anything. If someone tells you that owning 40 cats has enriched their life, you can't really say you know otherwise...but you'd strongly suspect by the nature of their act that it's not.

It's also worth making a distinction between what a drug may do and what it generally does. Even if we allow for the possibility that some people will find their way to some new insight after using a mind-altering substance, if most people don't then it's more likely neurological happenstance, and not something the drug really does. Children often say accidentally profound things, but no one would suggest that being younger, in general, increased your ability to be profound.

Anyway, this is largely academic. I dunno what the pot smokers you hang out with are like, but the ones I know are doing it for relatively straightforward reasons.

[Proximity]

Not really. I don't not drink, in the sense of avoiding it. But I don't care for it much either, no.

But keep in mind that I didn't suggest there was anything inherently wrong with sometimes wanting to dull your senses. I don't think there's much wrong with wanting to eat fast food, either. I think both are pretty clearly sub-optimal indulgences done for relatively simple, base reasons. Where I start scoffing is when someone tries to convince me that it's enriching their lives.


Fair enough. You can scoff at me, then, because it has certainly enriched my life.

Word.


Maybe. But you can say that about anything. If someone tells you that owning 40 cats has enriched their life, you can't really say you know otherwise...but you'd strongly suspect by the nature of their act that it's not.

It's also worth making a distinction between what a drug may do and what it generally does. Even if we allow for the possibility that some people will find their way to some new insight after using a mind-altering substance, if most people don't then it's more likely neurological happenstance, and not something the drug really does. Children often say accidentally profound things, but no one would suggest that being younger, in general, increased your ability to be profound.

I'd be willing to be that, on average, there are more unstable people with 40+ cats than there are who smoke marijuana, lol.

@Rodent
If your brain gets fried beyond repair, why are you implying that your brain has repaired itself since you quit? Am I simply misreading your posts?

[CelluloidChild]

Children often say accidentally profound things, but no one would suggest that being younger, in general, increased your ability to be profound.



I would.

Children may not be intellectually more profound than adults.

However, in my experience, children are generally way more profound in terms of their openness to the wonders of life.

Depends what you see as important.

[The Rodent]

@Rodent
If your brain gets fried beyond repair, why are you implying that your brain has repaired itself since you quit? Am I simply misreading your posts?



I've not recovered fully no. I have little memory from the days I smoked weed, only the effects it had on me and a few snips of info from things I did during that time. It's as though my brain just didn't keep hold of anything it saw.

Before I started smoking weed I had a great memory... but these days even after all this time being off it, I can barely remember a phone number.
I don't even know my own phone number tbch. I have to look it up in the phone's memory every time.

I was able to remember over 300 phone numbers at one time. I had all my teachers, friends, family remembered. I could recite God knows how many lines of dialogue from films.
I guess a mix of both long and short term memory is the thing that was damaged for me... other people get hit with other problems, my Brother's problem being his sanity...



But there you go.

[Yoda]

Fair enough. You can scoff at me, then, because it has certainly enriched my life.
Okay!

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4284163328/h89B957A7/

I'll say this for you pot smokers: you're often refreshingly laid back in arguments. So that's pretty cool.

I'd be willing to be that, on average, there are more unstable people with 40+ cats than there are who smoke marijuana, lol.
Oh sure, I agree. :) I'm just illustrating the principle. Some people might say it's optimal behavior for them, but then, people will often say that about whatever they want to keep doing, whether's it's good for them or not.

[The Rodent]

He was absolutely fine before he started smoking weed, normal kid, into normal things...

Then he started on the wacky baccy and it started with paranoia, the type people usually get from smoking weed... then it became an uncontrollable thing and he became violent at times from it.
He even hurt his then wife while she was pregnant.
He even had a scrap with my other Brother at one point, he claimed persecution for something or another and started throwing punches. Eventually my Brother had to actually knock him clean out to get him to stop attacking, he was just enraged to the point he was like an animal.

Eventually he was diagnosed with schizophrenia and psychosis, bi-polar disorder and had epileptic fits toward the end... and ended up going missing for years. We didn't know where he was.

People who knew him said he thought there was nothing wrong with him. Even when we knew him at the start of the problems, he reckoned he was fine and that the doctors who diagnosed him were just out to get him.

He never stopped smoking weed... next thing we knew, he was gone.

[mark f]

Lots of anecdotes bot little evidence. That's what happens when you deal with the "weed with roots in hell". Don't forget to be cool and spell it with an h.
http://www.1000misspenthours.com/posters/postersh-m/marihuanatheweedwithrootsinhell.jpg

[planet news]

anecdotes are evidence. and, in the realm of policy, they are a more relevant form of data than 'impersonal' evidence, because the latter can only be brought into the realm of human life through ideological means.

[mark f]

Go roll a doobie and chill.

[CelluloidChild]

He was absolutely fine before he started smoking weed, normal kid, into normal things...

Then he started on the wacky baccy and it started with paranoia, the type people usually get from smoking weed... then it became an uncontrollable thing and he became violent at times from it.
He even hurt his then wife while she was pregnant.
He even had a scrap with my other Brother at one point, he claimed persecution for something or another and started throwing punches. Eventually my Brother had to actually knock him clean out to get him to stop attacking, he was just enraged to the point he was like an animal.

Eventually he was diagnosed with schizophrenia and psychosis, bi-polar disorder and had epileptic fits toward the end... and ended up going missing for years. We didn't know where he was.

People who knew him said he thought there was nothing wrong with him. Even when we knew him at the start of the problems, he reckoned he was fine and that the doctors who diagnosed him were just out to get him.

He never stopped smoking weed... next thing we knew, he was gone.

Rodent, that sounds really rough.

If you don't mind my asking, who's the oldest and who's the youngest between you and your brothers?

[The Rodent]

I'm the youngest... I have 2 older Sisters and 5 older Brothers... one of which isn't around any more... so in a way, I have 4 older Brothers now.

[The Rodent]

Like me, we've all tried it.

It had a similar effect on one of my Brother's as well, which was the reason he stopped.

Maybe it's something in the family genes... we don't respond well to stuff that makes you turn thick.

Probably why none of us have ever been into Football either :D

[will.15]

anecdotes are evidence. and, in the realm of policy, they are a more relevant form of data than 'impersonal' evidence, because the latter can only be brought into the realm of human life through ideological means.
Dude! What have you been smoking?

[DexterRiley]

anecdotes are evidence. and, in the realm of policy, they are a more relevant form of data than 'impersonal' evidence, because the latter can only be brought into the realm of human life through ideological means.

so with that plus the scientific evidence, why is booze legal?




Dude! What have you been smoking?

Not MJ

http://www.thetripatorium.com/images/uploads/shroomy.gif

[Yoda]

I have a question for some of the marijuana users. It's not a gotcha: it's a serious question.

If it's possible for pot to give you new insights into things, why must it be impossible that it may damage your mind in some way? How can something that rewires your neurons be restricted to only doing it in interesting and positive ways, and never negative ones? It doesn't seem possible. If it has the power to alter the way you perceive things, there's no magic reason it would be incapable of altering them in a bad way, too. Yet I hear all such examples dismissed as coincidence, while all examples of pot enriching one's life or expanding one's mind are accepted without question.

So what's the deal?

[hapax_legomena]

lolwut

[Yoda]

Put the spliff down and try reading it again. Then you'll know wut.

[hapax_legomena]

You couldn't possibly be talking about brain damage. Like, physical brain damage. So is it a psychological thing you are talking about? If so, the percentages of negative experiences are so minuscule compared to positive experiences. Nobody has ever said that it is impossible to have a negative experience with marijuana, or more specifically, THC.

[CelluloidChild]

Whether an alteration in perception is positive or negative is a matter of perception.

[The Gunslinger45]

No I don't. Never have, and don't care to.

[Yoda]

Correct, I am talking about psychology, not physical damage. A number of people in this thread and others I've seen have come forward with personal experiences about how some family member or friend was one way before they started smoking, and some other (worse) way after they did it. And it's usually dismissed out of hand as paranoid hokum.

Anyway, the distinction between physical and psychological is at least somewhat artificial. It doesn't have to cause physical brain damage to have the potential to produce long-term psychological change.

[DexterRiley]

I have a question for some of the marijuana users. It's not a gotcha: it's a serious question.

If it's possible for pot to give you new insights into things, why must it be impossible that it may damage your mind in some way? How can something that rewires your neurons be restricted to only doing it in interesting and positive ways, and never negative ones? It doesn't seem possible. If it has the power to alter the way you perceive things, there's no magic reason it would be incapable of altering them in a bad way, too. Yet I hear all such examples dismissed as coincidence, while all examples of pot enriching one's life or expanding one's mind are accepted without question.

So what's the deal?

very few things are impossible imo. However its a matter of science, and medical historical data.

Alcohol on the other hand...

[CelluloidChild]

The legal marketplace is full of products - things we ingest and those we do not - that have a wide variety of effects, 'positive and negative,' on people.

Alcohol, tobacco, even sugar-heavy products are obvious examples. Some people can consume large amounts on a daily basis and seem to have perfectly fine lives to an old age. Others may develop all sorts of disorders and illnesses.

Other examples are the internet, video games, movies, etc. For some these are a leisurely hobby, a way to relax, for others they can be a way to escape from reality - and not just temporarily.

Sex is another example (leaving aside the legal marketplace thing; that's another, albeit related discussion). For many people sex is something that enhances their lives; for others, it can become a debilitating addiction.

What's different about pot?

[Yoda]

Just FYI, I'm not making an anti-legalization argument. On the off-chance that was directed at me at all.

[CelluloidChild]

It wasn't directed at you or legalization. I brought in the legalized products thing more as a way of emphasizing that we're surrounded by, and constantly consume things that - however we feel they might affect us - are probably having a completely different effect on someone else.

[CelluloidChild]

Does it cause damage to your brain after just smoking it one time?

That's the thing -- and that's what some people think can happen.

I don't know. Certainly LSD has the potential to cause permanent alterations to the neural pathways with just one trip.

Considering that most people, when they first smoke pot, only have a couple of hits, I find it highly unlikely that would cause permanent brain damage.

However, I haven't smoked pot in quite a few years and I'm aware that there are much stronger strains around. Even so, permanent damage seems unlikely.

Of course, like with anything else, I could concoct an extreme scenario. Someone who's already pretty unstable might get high for the first time in a small room with a bunch of creeps, freak out and jump out a window. That might cause all kinds of damage.

[Yoda]

Aye, I forgot about the different strains. It's definitely progressed to the point where the whole "hey, it's natural" thing is becoming increasingly dubious. I mean, sugar's natural, too. Doesn't mean pixie stix are.

[DexterRiley]

Ive never in my life felt like i was on a trip while inhaling pot.

Trips are reserved for Psilocybins.

[CelluloidChild]

I've definitely had hallucinatory experiences - auditory and visual - on pot, particularly during my initial highs. And that was on purely naturally grown grass.

But they didn't have the intensity, duration or narrative structure of trips on acid, shrooms, etc.

[Powdered Water]

Spent a little time deciding if I was gonna post back in here or not. Apparently I am going to.

Long story short, after 15 years of not smoking pot I decided to give it another try. I have noticed it helps me relax a bit more. But mostly, I just liked the idea of getting stoned again, so I tried it out. And I still do.

But yeah, I don't really remember ever taking some kind of acid trip on pot. But have seen a few people "freak out" on it back in the day.

[Powdered Water]

Aye, I forgot about the different strains. It's definitely progressed to the point where the whole "hey, it's natural" thing is becoming increasingly dubious. I mean, sugar's natural, too. Doesn't mean pixie stix are.


Eh, not really, there's literally tons of the stuff being grown naturally. It really is a weed after all. Of course there's all kinds of smart guys that are doing some really interesting things with indoor technology too. But I'd wager that the bulk of the weed still grown today is with simple fertilizer and good clean water.

[Yoda]

Sure sure. I wasn't suggesting that any particular percentage of it is souped up. I frankly have no idea. I'm just saying that the idea of it being totally natural isn't a given.

[hapax_legomena]

LSD actually doesn't cause any physical damage to your brain cells/brain. It may have psychological effects though, after longterm heavy use, effects that usually dwindle over time.

[Powdered Water]

Sure sure. I wasn't suggesting that any particular percentage of it is souped up. I frankly have no idea. I'm just saying that the idea of it being totally natural isn't a given.

Yeah, and to really have an idea of a real percentage you'd have to collect a lot of data from some rather stoned and needless to say, unreliable sources at best.

But yeah, there's nothing natural about an indoor hydroponic grow shop. But, they are coming up with some really great weed. So, I'm for it.

[CelluloidChild]

With LSD, it's not so much the amount of use that's the issue, but rather the quality of the acid and the trip itself.

One first-time bad trip can certainly have lasting unpleasant consequences, including flashbacks.

And two people dropping the same acid can have wildly different trips/reactions.

[DeeVeeDee]

I find this so interesting simply because I know how different my reaction would have been had I seen this when it was originally posted versus now. I smoked a lot for a long time, but now I choose not too. And don't have strong feelings on it one way or another. But I do like it to be known that it does cause major psyc problems in certain people (as does LSD) and affects everybody differently. Unfortunately a lot of kids/younger people think it has absolutely no harmful effects, physically or mentally, and that is so very far from the truth.

[CelluloidChild]

But I do like it to be known that it does cause major psyc problems in certain people (as does LSD) and affects everybody differently. Unfortunately a lot of kids/younger people think it has absolutely no harmful effects, physically or mentally, and that is so very far from the truth.

That's important to emphasize, especially because there are people of all ages here.

If people are interested, why not try it? But if it feels weird, it might not be for you - and that's perfectly ok.

[planet news]

That's important to emphasize, especially because there are people of all ages here.you just love talking about ages and kids and how much better you are than them don't you

[DeeVeeDee]

I would love to hear people's LSD / acid / mushrooms / DMT / whatever stories. Anyone wanna share their experiences and inner journey trips with us?

Start a new thread, I'm sure it will get responses. Even I am a sucker to the need to tell my "oh man, one time" stories.

Also, it should include DXM if anyone knows what that is (stuff in cough medicine). That stuff will make you trip! Many a times I was on that and listened to massive amounts of Pink Floyd, etc. it was pretty awesome.