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Originally Posted by Sinny McGuffins
The Passion of The Christ had subtitles. But I suppose Jesus had a lot to do with that film's success.
He does havea pretty wide fanbase.
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Originally Posted by SamsoniteDelilah
He does havea pretty wide fanbase.
Didn't he do a stadium tour in the late '60s?

Germany I think.....

I'm sure you'll get that, Cinders.
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Who is this Jesus guy I keep hearing about? Can someone please nail it down for me...

I realize I'm already going to the warmer place.
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Originally Posted by SamsoniteDelilah
I don't have any figures on the marketing budget, but based solely on what I saw, it was marketed pretty heavily. I saw a million and 12 ads for it on rottentomoes.com and at least one billboard around LA for it. It was well recieved by those who saw it, but not a financial hit.


That's interesting... How big is the population of Croatia?
4.5 milion.....

so what can we conclude happened to city of god? ( it shoulda made at least as much as catch me if you can, what am i saying, it should have blown it out of the water , the box office water that is....)



Standing in the Sunlight, Laughing
Originally Posted by Tacitus
Didn't he do a stadium tour in the late '60s?

Germany I think.....

I'm sure you'll get that, Cinders.
I caught some tape of that. He was screaming "you can lick my ass" at some guy. Made an impression, that Jesus.


adidasss City of God did pretty well here, as an import. The door is open for something to really make an impact: americans have warmed up to action and horror with subtitles. The stage is set. City of God was a bit far-removed from the lives of most of the american movie-going public. It was also a little meandery, story-wise, in the second act. And it had a biopic theme but no one here knows that photog who was the central character. Clear up those problems, make a film in Croatian with English subtitles, and you can change film history for your country and mine. You'll want to toss in some patience too, since the american public is a little bigger than the Croatian - my CITY (and the county around it) is twice the population of your entire country. Consequently, there are plenty of media already aimed at us over here.



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Just as well us Scots are so well educated in subtitled films!!!

Rather amazingly we have a number of European film companies with offices in Glasgow, most notably Sigma films that produced Wilbur wants to kill himself and Young Adam starring Ewan McGregor.

We are a real cinema city, we had the most cinemas of any city in Europe for many years before those damn pesky multiplexes came along.Thankfully we still have the GFT( Glasgow Film Theatre ) which shows mostly sub-titled films, and was the first place in Glasgow to show Reservoir Dogs and El Mariachi, Tarantino did a brief Q&A at the cinema for Reservoir Dogs, but I missed it! D'OH!!
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ok.....those are not good arguments and you know it,most people don't go to see films that are close to home, if that were true, people would not have gone to see the titanic or say, the matrix, not to mention lord of the rings and a billion other films, but they did so in milions, the meandery part is your personal opinion,and as far as the biopic part is concerned, it isn't a classic biopic because the story is not about the photographer, he is only the narrator,the objective observer of the story, the story is about a gang war that broke out in the favelas of rio de janeiro in the 70's, and come to think of it, my impression was that there's plenty of that going on in the US ( black and hispanic people in the ghettos lead fairly similar lives to those of black people in the favelas no?)
so my question is still unanswered.....i'd still go with marketing or simply the fact that the general american public is not used to seeing "foreign" films.....something that will undoubtedly ( or hopefully ) change one day......




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Standing in the Sunlight, Laughing
Originally Posted by adidasss
ok.....those are not good arguments and you know it,
They're not arguements submitted as alternatives to your suggestions. I'm saying that CoG, as an example of the american public turning out to see a "foreign" film, had a few issues of it's own that can also account for a less-than-stellar financial outcome.

...most people don't go to see films that are close to home, if that were true, people would not have gone to see the titanic or say, the matrix, not to mention lord of the rings and a billion other films, but they did so in milions,
yes, because those films have very relatable central characters. CoG starts out and ends with a very relatable narrator, but his through-line takes a back seat through the entire middle section of the film.


the meandery part is your personal opinion,
See above where I walked you through it. I can get the felt board out and some hand puppets if you still don't get it, Aristotle. (see, I can be a smartass too.. isn't this fun?)

...and as far as the biopic part is concerned, it isn't a classic biopic because the story is not about the photographer, he is only the narrator,the objective observer of the story,
"Classic" or not, we lose the emotional through line and the most sympathetic character when we lose sight of the narrator. This could have been worked around in a few ways, but it wasn't. As a result, people didn't walk out of the theaters and immediately insist that everyone they know go see it. That's called "word of mouth" and it's as crucial for a financially successful film as marketing. For illustration, see Dukes of Hazzard, which had a ton of marketing and publicity and was choked to death the second weekend by word of mouth.

...the story is about a gang war that broke out in the favelas of rio de janeiro in the 70's, and come to think of it, my impression was that there's plenty of that going on in the US ( black and hispanic people in the ghettos lead fairly similar lives to those of black people in the favelas no?).....
Yep, and how many of the characters in the film did you see heading to the cinema? I'mna go out on a limb here and say that the box office bank of, say, Lord of the Rings was not generated from the 'hood.

so my question is still unanswered.....i'd still go with marketing or simply the fact that the general american public is not used to seeing "foreign" films.....something that will undoubtedly ( or hopefully ) change one day......
I did answer your question and I just went back and illustrated it. You can read what I'm saying, and realise that we're pretty much in agreement (only I'm making a more detailed analysis of the situation) or you can decide you were right before we started discussing anything and try and pretend I don't know what I'm talking about again. That was neato.



Couldn't resist picking this one up...and it had to be the limited edition too. I mean, if you're gonna go, go all out.

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Originally Posted by OG-
Who is this Jesus guy I keep hearing about? Can someone please nail it down for me...

I realize I'm already going to the warmer place.
I thought we went through this already...

Some will say he's an around the way guy who is black from back into time... like Santa Clause. But he's really Super Man.
Check it...

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Originally Posted by Anonymous Last
But he's really Super Man.
Nah, he's really James Woods and he hosts supper with RoboCop. I thought everyone knew that...

But to answer your question, I sadly haven't purchased a DVD in a while. The last I picked up was the special edition of The Fly. I should really get a job. A job other than not having a job, because as my monumentally unproductive 4 day weekends clearly show, not having a job is quite the task in and of itself.




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Originally Posted by OG-
Nah, he's really James Woods and he hosts supper with RoboCop. I thought everyone knew that...
I do now...



That was good!



I got:
Phantasm Boxset
Star Wars: Episode 3 (even though i didn't think it was particularly good)

And i ordered:
Rainy Dog
Tetsou 2
Joint Security Area
In the Mood for Love
Versus
Thesis
Battlestar Galactica Miniseries
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Originally Posted by SamsoniteDelilah
They're not arguements submitted as alternatives to your suggestions. I'm saying that CoG, as an example of the american public turning out to see a "foreign" film, had a few issues of it's own that can also account for a less-than-stellar financial outcome.
Originally Posted by SamsoniteDelilah
"Classic" or not, we lose the emotional through line and the most sympathetic character when we lose sight of the narrator. This could have been worked around in a few ways, but it wasn't. As a result, people didn't walk out of the theaters and immediately insist that everyone they know go see it. That's called "word of mouth" and it's as crucial for a financially successful film as marketing. For illustration, see Dukes of Hazzard, which had a ton of marketing and publicity and was choked to death the second weekend by word of mouth.
ok, does that mean you don't think it's an exellent film? i think it's flawless and if i can see it and say it's superb ( and i'm a white middle class european, as far removed from the characters and story as someone can get ) i don't see why american's wouldn't have flocked to the cinema to see it too....i don't know about you, but as soon as i walked out of the theatre i called or texted everyone i know to let them know what a superb film i saw, and everyone that saw the film agreed with me
Originally Posted by SamsoniteDelilah
yes, because those films have very relatable central characters. CoG starts out and ends with a very relatable narrator, but his through-line takes a back seat through the entire middle section of the film.
em, i still say that you don't have to relate to the characters to enjoy a film and think it's great

Originally Posted by SamsoniteDelilah
See above where I walked you through it. I can get the felt board out and some hand puppets if you still don't get it, Aristotle. (see, I can be a smartass too.. isn't this fun?)
that's the second time you talked to me in a patronising tone, did my post give out some kind of *******-ish vibe that you felt it necessary to respond in this way?
Originally Posted by SamsoniteDelilah
I did answer your question and I just went back and illustrated it. You can read what I'm saying, and realise that we're pretty much in agreement (only I'm making a more detailed analysis of the situation) or you can decide you were right before we started discussing anything and try and pretend I don't know what I'm talking about again. That was neato.
i never tried to imply you didn't know what you were talking about, you dished out some personal opinions on the reasons why CoG didn't do very well in the states and i simply disagreed that those are the right reasons ...you're being fairly passive-agressive, and might i say fairly insulting, bare that in mind the next time you go after someone like obiwanshinobi ey?



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Originally Posted by adidasss
ok, does that mean you don't think it's an exellent film? i think it's flawless ...
We disagree.
I've talked to plenty of people who don't think it's "flawless". It's a good film, but, for the reasons I cited, it's not a perfect litmus test for whether subtitles alone are enough to put off the american public.

that's the second time you talked to me in a patronising tone, did my post give out some kind of *******-ish vibe that you felt it necessary to respond in this way?
Yes. Your tone went from conversational to accusing me of trying to slide my personal opinion through as an objective fact. I didn't. The fact is NOT EVERYONE believes that City of God is "flawless". In fact, you're the first person I've heard use that word to describe it. Due to the fact that there were (painful as it may be for you to face) a few things that could undermine the wild popularity you apparently imagined for the film, it's not just my personal opinion that it might not be the most popular film ever. Reality bears me out on this.

i never tried to imply you didn't know what you were talking about, you dished out some personal opinions on the reasons why CoG didn't do very well in the states and i simply disagreed that those are the right reasons ...
You're refuting my personal opinion with your own personal opinion, and the conclusion you're drawing is illogical.

you're being fairly passive-agressive, and might i say fairly insulting, bare that in mind the next time you go after someone like obiwanshinobi ey?
No. I'm being outright aggressive. You went there and I answered it. You bear that in mind before popping off to me again. There were much less accusatory and insulting ways to state your opinion than those you chose to use. You'd be well advised not to align your behaviours with Obi. He's not generally regarded as a paragon of polite discourse.



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Originally Posted by adidasss
ok, does that mean you don't think it's an exellent film? i think it's flawless and if i can see it and say it's superb ( and i'm a white middle class european, as far removed from the characters and story as someone can get ) i don't see why american's wouldn't have flocked to the cinema to see it too....i don't know about you, but as soon as i walked out of the theatre i called or texted everyone i know to let them know what a superb film i saw, and everyone that saw the film agreed with me
If I may step in here....

You're basing your half cocked argument...actually not an argument but rather questioning the taste of the American cinema going public, purely because you think the film is 'flawless' and can't understand anyone not likeing it?

Cindy offered her opinions as to why it didn't go through the roof and you compared it to The Matrix and LOTR?

Eh?

Massive escapist Sci-Fi & Fantasy films compared to a tiny-budgeted S American morality tale?

It didn't do that well because it was a 'small' story (ie, not The Matrix). The European grosses aren't much to write home about either.

In my opinion, City Of God is a decent little movie which gained a following on DVD by word of mouth. Wrong?



Originally Posted by SamsoniteDelilah
We disagree.
I've talked to plenty of people who don't think it's "flawless". It's a good film, but, for the reasons I cited, it's not a perfect litmus test for whether subtitles alone are enough to put off the american public.


Yes. Your tone went from conversational to accusing me of trying to slide my personal opinion through as an objective fact. I didn't. The fact is NOT EVERYONE believes that City of God is "flawless". In fact, you're the first person I've heard use that word to describe it. Due to the fact that there were (painful as it may be for you to face) a few things that could undermine the wild popularity you apparently imagined for the film, it's not just my personal opinion that it might not be the most popular film ever. Reality bears me out on this.
there's that tone again, i never, NEVER, said it is the gratest film ever of that it should have earned as much as the titanic, or that it should be the most popular film ever, you may have gotten on the wrong side of the bed this morning, don't take it out on me, i was merely saying that it should have earned more than the measly what, 9 milion dollars if i remember it correctly? especially when a film as weak as catch me if you can earned 150 million...
Originally Posted by SamsoniteDelilah

You're refuting my personal opinion with your own personal opinion, and the conclusion you're drawing is illogical.


No. I'm being outright aggressive. You went there and I answered it. You bear that in mind before popping off to me again. There were much less accusatory and insulting ways to state your opinion than those you chose to use. You'd be well advised not to align your behaviours with Obi. He's not generally regarded as a paragon of polite discourse.
i reitterate that my post did not deserve such a response, i was just trying to have a normal , mature converstion, at no point did i adress you in a patronising mannor or called you stupid , which you did to me...i may be half your age, but that doesn't give you the right to talk to me that way, especially when you imagine some personal attack, trust me , if i wanted to attack you i would have done it differently....my mistake for trying to have a normal discussion with you......one i shall try not to make again.....

Originally Posted by Tacitus
If I may step in here....

You're basing your half cocked argument...actually not an argument but rather questioning the taste of the American cinema going public, purely because you think the film is 'flawless' and can't understand anyone not likeing it?
yes, i guess i am questioning the taste of the american general public
Originally Posted by Tacitus
Cindy offered her opinions as to why it didn't go through the roof and you compared it to The Matrix and LOTR?
i did? you'll have to explain that to me, i mentioned the matrix and the lord of the rings not to directly compare them to CoG ( as i myself think of both those movies as better than CoG and deserving of every penny they earned), she thought the american movie going public didn't go to see CoG because they couldn't relate to it, i merely mentioned those films as other example of unrelatable films, again, i don't think the film needs to be relatable for people to go and see it....

bottom line is, i think that if films like my best friends wedding, catch me if you can, hitch,oceans eleven,wedding crashers,signs,meet the fockers and other mediocre films can earn tens of millions of dollars, CoG should have earned a bit more don't you?
but i grow tired of this argument.....



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Originally Posted by adidasss
i did?
Well, yeah you did.

you'll have to explain that to me, i mentioned the matrix and the lord of the rings not to directly compare them to CoG ( as i myself think of both those movies as better than CoG and deserving of every penny they earned), she thought the american movie going public didn't go to see CoG because they couldn't relate to it, i merely mentioned those films as other example of unrelatable films, again, i don't think the film needs to be relatable for people to go and see it....
See?

bottom line is, i think that if films like my best friends wedding, catch me if you can, hitch,oceans eleven,wedding crashers,signs,meet the fockers and other mediocre films can earn tens of millions of dollars, CoG should have earned a bit more don't you?
Only if you equate artistic achievement with box office success, or are the film's producer....

As I said, it was a 'small' movie. The ones you mentioned were mainstream Studio pictures - you're compairing apples to oranges.



Originally Posted by SamsoniteDelilah
[b]City of God was a bit far-removed from the lives of most of the american movie-going public
Originally Posted by adidasss
most people don't go to see films that are close to home, if that were true, people would not have gone to see the titanic or say, the matrix, not to mention lord of the rings and a billion other films, but they did so in milions
does that make sense now?



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Originally Posted by adidasss
does that make sense now?
Totally - in the sense that you're comparing totally different films:

'Small' movies and 'Big' movies, if you want me to spell it out.

Again.

I think you're missing my point. It's all very well to compare City Of God to Titanic from the point of view that they're both dealing with an 'alien' subject but that's where it all ends.

Small....Big....Apple....Orange.

People went to see Titanic in their droves because it was a big budget elephant of a film which offered escapism, romance, tears and huge stonking big buggers of special effects....not gritty urban realism and kids with guns.

Paddy & Patricia Public would have no interest in it - hence the small takings.

If you want the last word then be my guest...