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I currently own Moon.

It was directed by Duncan Jones, who directed and wrote Source Code, the Jake Gyllenhaal movie, which I love.
He's also David Bowie's son. There's no reason to mention that other than it's the kind of thing you like to know.

I didn't care for Moon either. I didn't dislike it, it just didn't do anything for me. Apart from looking much better than it's £5m budget or whatever it was, I failed to see what was so good about it.
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For real? Duncan Jones is David Bowie's son? The guy who wrote and directed my Source Code??



Well, I'm just about to hit my 300th review, so I'm doing a Rodent's Revisited like I did with Trek a while back...


Special one this... call it a Rodent's Retrospective.



Rodent Revisits
Young Guns


A Rodent Retrospective




Year Of Release
1988

Director
Christopher Caine

Producers
John Fusco, James G Robinson, Joe Roth, Paul Schiff, Irby Smith

Writers
John Fusco

Cast
Emilio Estevez, Kiefer Sutherland, Casey Siemaszko, Lou Diamond Phillips, Dermot Mulroney, Charlie Sheen, Geoffrey Blake… with Jack Palance, Terry O’Quinn and Terence Stamp


Notes
Tom Cruise was on set during the end fight, he was visiting his friends Estevez and Sheen, and he even has an uncredited role in the film… watch out at the end for the moustachioed Cowboy who sprays blood on the camera when he gets shot.


Estevez was also extremely depressed during filming as he had been through a bad breakup with his Girlfriend… so Lou Diamond Phillips got an inflatable sheep, put it in some women’s clothing and left it in his hotel room for him.


Two actors were also shot during production. Estevez was hit in the face and Mulroney in the shoulder. Apparently the blank firing guns had wadding and ceramics packed into them, causing some projectiles to fire from the ”safe” weapons.


The scene when Estevez and Sutherland are writing a letter wasn’t scripted exactly… the Director withheld the “speech” from the actors and had Estevez read from a cue-card to make it seem like he was making the speech up off the top of his head.


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Synopsis:
Based loosely on the Lincoln County War of 1878 and the beginnings of the Billy The Kid Legend.

Englishman John Tunstall’s aim in life is fair game and fair play in business (cattle ranching) and making a profit, and it has brought him into conflict with The House, a gang made up of wealthy Irish Ranchers and Politicians plus their several groups of gunslingers and cowboys, who believe Tunstall has stepped onto their turf.


When Henry McCarty, a young yet streetwise kid appears on the streets of Lincoln and ends up in a sort of protective custody of the wealthy Tunstall, Henry (more commonly known as William H Bonney) finds himself in a homely “school” environment where he and Tunstall’s other men work as Cowboys to pay for an education.


It also turns out McCarty is known around the County, and so are most of Tunstall’s other men, and with Tunstall hiring these disparate characters, most of them good with a gun, tensions run high between the two factions of Tunstall and The House…


… and The House, driven by greed, anger and jealousy, make a move against John Tunstall, and bring War to Lincoln County...

Review:
I say “loosely” based on The Lincoln County War in the synopsis… Young Guns is the most accurate telling of the legend than any other film outside of a documentary.
The filmmakers, wisely maybe, have taken key elements of the War, and watered them down for an audience to fit into an hour and twenty running time.
The film never loses the viewer, or bombards you with too many talky scenes or scenes with no payoff.


The movie plays out like a typical action western and never fails to disappoint from scene to scene simply through the style of writing and dialogue that’s laced throughout.
The feel and look of the movie adds great depth that’s missing from most other Billy The Kid movies… being based more toward reality rather than on Dime Novels and make-believe stories of that bygone era makes Young Guns stand out through sheer realism and historical fact.
The entire movie has a feel of being shot with a sepia filter on the camera lens too, not a bad thing though, it adds to the authenticity of the Wild West setting.
There’s also some situational humour throughout too, so it’s not all about gunfights and high speed horse chases.


There’s even a few hints at genuine research on the filmmakers behalf, for instance when Billy quips “I ain’t left handed” while reading a newspaper article.
There is one scene though that stands out… the killing of one of The Regulators alongside two of The House’s men called William Morton and Frank Baker and it shows that our “Good Guys” weren’t exactly innocent of murder throughout the War.
Thumbs up for that, it’s a relatively historically accurate portrayal of what kind of men our apparent Heroes could be when it suited them.


The bad point of the film though… it may be the most accurate telling of the War, it has still been watered down for an audience.
The Lincoln War itself has more to it, which could have made for a longer, maybe more interesting movie historically.
The War itself took place over a 6 month period and had a couple hundred men involved. The Regulators themselves numbered near 70 men… but in the film we only see a maximum of 7… most of them too are crossed and merged with real life people who were omitted from the cast sheet.
The role of Billy The Kid is also inaccurate. Billy was never a leader, nor even a key player for that matter, so some of the Dime Novel influence of the 1800s still affects the story to an extent. Even so, Billy’s character, is spot on.


The Filmmakers decided the use of 'Brat Pack' actors would be good for a serious movie and they hit on a very special casting.
Emilio Estevez as Kid is an inspired piece of casting, Estevez carries The Kid’s persona extremely well. Young and cheeky yet streetwise and naïve at the same time. Most of the humour comes from Estevez too, which in reality was true.
Charlie Sheen makes possibly his best appearance on film too as Richard Brewer, the original leader of The Regulators (which is almost true). Sheen also comes to loggerheads with Estevez a number of times and it’s actually pretty cool to watch two real-life Brothers fight onscreen.
Kiefer Sutherland is also perfectly cast as Josiah G “Doc” Scurlock. He’s a little too handsome though, but his character traits are bang on the money. I loved Sutherland in this role.
Casey Siemaszko and Dermot Mulroney make a kind of humorous double-act as Charlie Bowdre and Dirty Steve Stevens… Mulroney’s character was a kind of addition as the real Steve didn’t have a lot to do with the War. They make a great double act though and their chemistry with each other is great to watch. Their roles have been merged with the real-life relationship between Bonney and a lad called O’Folliard, who were best friends.
Lou Diamond Phillips plays another rewritten role in Chavez Y Chavez… he’s totally different to the real life man but Phillips carries the huge weight of being more a supporting character that then has a pivotal role on more than one occasion.
Supporting actors include:
Jack Palance as LG Murphy. Believe it or not, Murphy had little to do with the actual War. He was dying of cancer during the War and it was two other guys who we don’t really see who were behind the original murder. Palance though, man this guy is menacing when he wants to be… he’s also a perfect villain. Hey, it’s Jack Palance, what more can I say?
Terence Stamp as John Tunstall is (as always with Stamp) a very inviting character, mature, wise and mildly amusing. A little old, Tunstall in real life was only 24 years old, but Stamp makes the perfect surrogate father figure for the wayward Cowboys he’s hired.
Patrick Wayne, son of John Wayne, makes a cameo as Pat Garrett too and Terry O’Quinn also makes a couple shows as Tunstall’s Lawyer Alex McSween.
All in all though the handsome cast of 'good guys' teamed against Palance's group of grizzly, hairy ‘bad guys’ makes you route for the Regulators even more.


The action and choreography though is superbly portrayed throughout. Horse chases, gunfights, the occasional murder… all held within a real backdrop and backstory.
One thing that will throw the audience is that what appears to be an OTT gunfight ending, actually happened in real life.
In real life though, the fight was much larger than what is shown in the film… which is where the movie suffers again sadly with watering down some of the facts.
If they had made just a slightly larger scope for the movie then that ending would have been possibly the best climactic scene to any Western in the history of film.
We’d have been talking 200 House members and a pile of mounted soldiers, all facing off against around 40 Regulators...

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All in all, more accurate than any other Lincoln/Kid film, and I mean ever, it’s still inaccurate in many respects.
Young Guns though is a ripping adventure across the Wild West and has that accuracy to back it up and gives all the thrills, laughs and gunplay a Western Fan would want and stands the test of time after 26 years.
My rating: 90%




Oh my God. I was going to say -- you should do a brand new review of Young Guns.

You have!

But, I mean -- no big surprise.



Well, I figured with it being the first review I wrote and I'll be on my 300th next...


... it'd be nice to give the my 1st ever review/movie a proper write up, rather than the handful of lines I gave it back in 2012.



Did you really destroy your copy of Young Guns on DVD? Or did you just destroy one copy and you have 8 million extras on hand?



Review #230, Movie #301
Young Guns 2: Blaze Of Glory



Year Of Release
1990

Director/s
Geoff Murphy


Producer/s
James G Robinson, Paul Schiff, Irby Smith

Writer/s
John Fusco


Cast
Emilio Estevez, Kiefer Sutherland, Lou Diamond Phillips, William Petersen, Christian Slater, Alan Ruck, Balthazar Getty… with James Coburn, RD Call, Scott Wilson and Viggo Mortensen


Notes And Trivia
William Petersen takes over the role of Pat Garrett from Patrick Wayne (who was a simple cameo in the first film), and Petersen’s role in the film is when he’s hired by James Coburn’s “John Chisum” to track down The Kid. Coburn himself played Pat Garrett in Peckinpah’s “Pat Garrett And Billy The Kid”.

This film was also marred with injured actors… Getty was replaced by a body-double in a few scenes after he was injured falling from his horse and Diamond Phillips broke his arm too, causing the now famous knife fight scene between himself and Christian Slater.

Jon Bon Jovi also has more to do with the film than just the soundtrack. He appears on screen as one of the prisoners in Bob Ollinger’s Pit. He’s the one who now only sits next to Sutherland and Phillips in one scene, but also gets hold of a gun during the breakout scene, but is killed before he can fire it.

Bon Jovi was hired by Estevez after he wanted to use “Wanted Dead Or Alive” in the film… but Bon Jovi felt it wasn’t right for the film and actually wrote the now famous new track “Blaze Of Glory” that would fit the theme of the film. Blaze Of Glory was then used as a sub-title for the movie, reached #1 in the charts, and became the name Jon Bon Jovi’s debut solo album too.


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Synopsis:
In 1950, an old man appears in front of an attorney and makes an amazing claim… that he’s Billy The Kid.
The attorney is rightfully sceptical of the man’s assertions, as Billy The Kid was killed nearly 70 years before. So he asks for proof…

… irritated, the old man starts to recount his life.

Review:
Now, picking apart Young Guns in my last review, amma do the same right here

YG2 seems to have been influenced much more by the Dime Novels, hearsay, legends and make-believe of the 1800s and early 1900s… the movie does manage to follow history relatively closely, but huge artistic licence has been taken in many aspects of the film.
Man of the characters we see are, like with the first film, fusions of lots of other people (probably to keep the cast sheet down like with YG). Alan Ruck’s character “Hendry William French” is a prime example, he’s a midge-modge of Henry Newton Brown and Big Jim French.

There’s also huge changes in character fates. Many of the people we see die, didn’t… and some of those die in the way other real life people died.
The whole film is like a crossing and merging of numerous factors and done simply for cinematic effect. Even more so than Young Guns.

But boy does it work well…

YG2 is a rip roaring fun ride of gunfights, ramped up humour, some tragedy and some genuinely exciting cinematic chases and scenery.
The idea of having “Legend” drive the story, backed up by fact, rather than Young Guns’ Fact backed up by Legend, makes YG2 easier to “get into” and a hell of a lot more fun to watch.

The major thing that makes a mark, is the higher production value of the film. The budget was near twice that of YG… and having more of the same casting choices, this time with some even bigger names, makes for a much more “eye friendly” film too.
The dialogue also has some brilliant one-liners and better overall writing.

I also loved the mythology of the beginning and end of the movie using Brushy Bill Roberts as a lynchpin for the entire film and then, leaving it up to the audience to make up their minds about “the truth”.


The acting is on a par with YG too.
Estevez, Sutherland and Phillips return from the first film, all giving the same performances. Sutherland this time round has to wrestle with his conscience more though as he has a Wife and child. Phillips is much more spiritual this time round too, and Estevez on occasion approaches the realms of an unlikeable Billy The Kid, with some of the lies and mind-games he plays with people he considers his pals.

We do however have Balthazar Getty, Alan Ruck and Christian Slater backing up our original Heroes.
Ruck as I said, is a modge of two people, but he carries it well and plays the background character nicely.
Getty plays a character that was missing from Young Guns called Tom O’Folliard. In truth, the character should have been in the films from the very, very start as he and McCarty were best friends for a long time and fought against The House together, but this buddy-duo-dynamic was given to Siemaszko and Mulroney in the first film.
O’Folliard has also been rewritten as 15 years old. In truth he was older the Billy. The relationship between he and McCarty is bang on though, and Getty has great chemistry with Estevez.

Slater, plays Dave Rudabaugh, a new addition to the gang, which in truth is pretty close… and is bang on the money in writing and acting. Loud, naïve, happy to kill, happy to steal, full of himself and very charismatically played by Slater. Best role in the film by a long, long way. Possibly Slater’s best role ever tbh.

William Petersen plays our Sheriff Pat Garrett. Nicely, we see a history to the character, a roots almost, even though it is totally based in fiction. Garrett and McCarty did know each other, but not the way the film would suggest, but the build up makes for a character we can understand. Petersen is as always, on top form. His chemistry with Jack Kehoe who plays Ash Upton while the two are writing Garrett’s autobiography is also tops.

Back up comes from James Coburn as Chisum and Viggo Mortensen as a “Poe”, a fictional character used to piss Garrett off on occasion.
In a nod to fact though, we have Scott Wilson as Governor Lew Wallace and a meeting between him and McCarty.


The action, choreography and photography have all been ramped up though for this one.
The bigger budget has allowed for louder guns, bigger scope and simply a better “looking” movie this time around.
The film isn’t The Quick And The Dead large, it’s held back in reality, but the larger scope for the action makes for a more exciting movie than the first one, even if there’s no real “end scene”. What I mean is, Young Guns had a watered down, but still exciting “Battle Of Lincoln” at the end… YG2, doesn’t have that sort of “big scene”… just a series of skirmishes and a bunch of horse chases that outweigh the skirmishes and chases seen in the first movie.

The rock’n’roll Bon Jovi soundtrack mixed with a better written original soundtrack is a nice addition too and makes for some brilliantly exciting cinema.



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All in all, bigger and louder than the first film, much more fun and definitely funnier in places.

Packed with one-liners and memorable scenes, but sadly feels like the filmmakers lost their way when keeping closer to fact like with YG.

Still though, it’s up there with the best of the Western genre and reeks of style, huge, huge charisma and has at least some substance behind it too.

A good follow up though? It’s disparate, but yeah, it’s good.

My Rating: 84%






Hard to disagree with anything you said. I love these movies quite a bit but while I think Young Guns is one of the better films of the genre, II is just a great time. Doesn't hurt that the soundtrack is one of my favorites. Good review.
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Cheers bud!


The sequel is one I've had on my list for well over 2 years and the first YG review I did was my first ever, so it was kinda short and pretty naïve the way I wrote it.


Glad my rewrite of YG and new review for YG2 have worked though. Aside from some grammar, I'm pretty happy with the way they've come out.



I've never seen them, but The Young Guns movies strike me as westerns for people who don't typically enjoy westerns. Kinda like Back to the Future: Part III. They look like fun movies, though.
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Is it called Young Guns 2: Blaze of Glory over there in the U.K.?

Here in the U.S. it's just called Young Guns II.

And I'm sure you already know this, but I prefer Young Guns II over the first film. At least I currently do.



I've never seen them, but The Young Guns movies strike me as westerns for people who don't typically enjoy westerns. Kinda like Back to the Future: Part III. They look like fun movies, though.
I could see someone thinking this about the second, although I still think it is a good bit different than BTTF. The first one is a pretty standard western though, it's just bad ass as well.



Two great reviews of the Young Guns films there, Rodent. But, to be honest, I can't remember if I've seen Young Guns before. I get it mixed up in my mind with City Slickers for some reason. I may have seen it when I was a kid, but I just can't remember. Added both to my watchlist.



I currently own Moon.

It was directed by Duncan Jones, who directed and wrote Source Code, the Jake Gyllenhaal movie, which I love. If you haven't seen that yet, check it out. That's why I decided to see Moon. But I didn't like Moon. At least, I couldn't get into it. I guess because it had a different screenwriter... it just wasn't as good as Source Code.
He's also David Bowie's son. There's no reason to mention that other than it's the kind of thing you like to know.

I didn't care for Moon either. I didn't dislike it, it just didn't do anything for me. Apart from looking much better than it's £5m budget or whatever it was, I failed to see what was so good about it.
He's also a philosophy major.

Also, you are both wrong. Moon kicks ass.