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Just saw The Triangle and I'm uncertain why she kills herself in the house? Does she think she must to stop the loop? I suppose she's been through this part of the loop before while the viewer hasn't, but I just found this part off. If I saw things correctly, she finally got off the ship with her other selves still on it, so why does she need to kill her other self in the house. I suppose she could kill an extra self she didn't like because she was abusive and there can't be two of her around in her present life anyway but it just seemed inconsistent with previous action.

I thought that maybe she actually kills her son out of anger so she kills herself to save her son, but then the son dying in the crash is not in line with the other people and bird dying in the same way within the loop.

Thanks.
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It's been awhile since I've watched the movie, so I'm hazy on some of the details but I do remember the theme.

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Jess is dead for most of the movie. As punishment for her abusiveness towards her son, she is in a continual loop to try to fix what happened but cannot. It is a play on Sisyphus who had to roll the boulder up the hill over and over as punishment.



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Thanks, I understood that she was unhappy with her bad self but I just found it strange that she would kill her based on her previous actions--she wasn't a killer per se-and it didn't seem she had to to stop the loop. And I'm not sure the loop was punishment for her abuse (though I do think that's the subtext of the movie: a mother who can't stop the cycle of abuse towards her son though she would like to) but more a refusal to accept her death or that of her son. I also thought that in terms of the subtext the liner could be seen as a symbol for an autistic in that while it functioned it was empty, lacking animation and responsiveness.

Thanks so much for the replies.



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I don't know that she is actually killing her in that she is already dead, but maybe a symbolic gesture that she needs to try to kill that part of herself that abuses her son.

Now, you have me wanting to watch it again, so that I can remember more details. If I get a chance to do that soon. I'll get back to you.



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I just thought of something else. Jess is trapped in her own version of hell. In order to escape hell, Jess has to change the event that sent her there in the first place, but no matter what she does, the result remains the same. (The ball always rolls down the hill.) If I remember correctly, the loops become more frantic as time progresses.

There is a lot of symbolism in the movie, but, again, I need to rewatch it to remember the details.



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It begins to dawn on her that she needs to kill everyone on the boat to get off it, but we also see one of her selves on that boat saying shes sorry she has to kill but she's trying to save her son's life. We only learn later that that self knows that her son dies in the car accident. Movies like this play with your head.

Have you seen the Korean movie Oldboy?



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Yes, and I like that movie as well. It's pretty popular on this forum.

I'm going to try to watch Triangle again in the next couple of days. It's been about two years since I have seen it, so not everything is so fresh in my mind. I keep trying to remember some significance about the taxi driver that I have forgotten.




There is a lot of symbolism in the movie.
Yup. Check out Jess' house number. And the number of the cabin in the ship where she puts lipstick on mirror.

It's a very good movie. I need to watch it again.



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I missed those numbers, ScarletLion. What were they and what do they signify?

Thanks.

As to Oldboy I thought the very end was problematic and maybe it should've ended before that last hypnosis/reunion scene.



I missed those numbers. What were they and what do they signify?

Thanks.
I'm pretty sure it's the number 237. Which is the same number of the forbidden room in The Shining. There are lots of other Shining comparisons in the movie.

Also, if anybody has some time on their hands, there is an amazing piece of work around this film here. Click on the chronology and event matrix:

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=e7f87...4E8159D29A!347



Chappie doesn't like the real world
Yup. Check out Jess' house number. And the number of the cabin in the ship where she puts lipstick on mirror.

It's a very good movie. I need to watch it again.
I'm watching it tonight. I don't want to click on that link until I watch it again, but I'll certainly check it out after that. I hope other people watch it as well. It's a fun movie to discuss.



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Thanks for the link ScarletLion. I also read the following: "According to the commentary, the killer wearing a sack as a mask is a Shout Out to Friday the 13th Part 2, in which Jason Voorhees wears a pillow case over his head prior to the iconic hockey mask" from tvtropes.



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Here's something that maybe doesn't make sense. We see on the boat a Jess that knows her son died. If that Jess knows her son died why would that Jess go back and drive her son in the car again, thus insuring the recurrence of the loop? Anyone have an answer for this? Am I seeing things incorrectly?



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So I just watched again so here are some random thoughts. Firstly, I don't think there is a "good" or "bad" Jess. They are all Jess in various stages of the loop. It's significant that she keeps saying, "That's not me" in regards to the Jess in the loop who is killing everyone. She also tells her son something to the affect that she got rid of bad mommy and she is the nice one. I think this is just illustrating Jess's dual nature and her refusal to accept what she did.

When they are still on the Triangle she tells Greg that her son doesn't like change and when she changes something she loses him. I'm wondering if this is just foreshadowing or if it means something more. We know that the end result is that she can't change anything and therefore can't save him, but she says when she does change something she loses him. That confused me a bit.

When the group boards the Aeolus and then discusses Sisyphus's punishment it's said that he either tried to cheat death or make a deal with death. At the end we see Jess talking to the cab driver and he says that there is no point trying to save her son. She insists on going to the harbor suggesting that she tries to cheat death and this begins her loopy punishment.

I'm glad I watched it again. I hadn't forgotten as much as I thought, but it's much clearer now.



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I just realized an inconsistency in the movie:

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The trunk of the car that Jess puts her dead self in should be piled high with dead Jesses just like the dead seagulls, multiple dead woman on the deck, lockets, etc.



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After she wakes from her sleep on the boat she says that she's had a bad dream. When questioned as to what it was about, she says she can't remember. I'm thinking that what went on before her nap seems like a dream to her. I know it's a bit of a reach. What do you think?
A small point I would like to question - where did the keys that the other Jess dropped come from? Our Jess left hers on the Triangle, so I sort of assumed that the others did too. Did one of the earlier Jesses take her keys with her when they boarded the ship, or this just an inconsistency?
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Not sure about the keys, would have to look again, maybe someone else can chime in. As to her memory
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there's still a Jess on the boat that knows about her son dying so the dream on the yacht can't apply to that Jess.



Chappie doesn't like the real world
Do we have to use spoiler tags if there are spoiler warnings in the thread title?

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As to the bodies in the trunk I don't think there would have been enough room. Seriously, though the Jess in the trunk is wearing a dress. The Jess driving is wearing a t-shirt. When we see Jess looking at the crash, the Jess she sees is wearing the dress. This is the beginning of the loop (her death) so that is a reasonable explanation for me as to why there are not a pile of Jesses. Also this is Jess's loop so that in itself may be the reason we see a pile of her. We also only see one jumpsuit that she was wearing washed on the shore.

As to the keys, we do see different Jess's making small changes within the loops, so it's reasonable that one Jess took them and one didn't. You have to suspend disbelief somewhat. I don't know that every little detail is going to line up. I think we know enough that this is not the real world we are seeing so the real world rules don't have to apply.

On another note, does anyone know what the people on board with her are supposed to symbolize, if anything?



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LOL Good point about spoilers. Forgot I titled it that way.

I still think it makes no sense that there's only one dead Jess in the trunk yet many other multiple things especially dead seagulls being the gulls are just before the accident.

Not sure what the other people symbolize if anything although I think they're primarily used to forward the plot and to scare and unsettle when they're killed.

What I wondered from the beginning is why that one woman dies in the storm. (I think it's the woman they bring on board as a possible date for the yacht owner.) Why doesn't she survive and what does that signify? I mean, she could easily have lived, gone onto the liner with the rest and the plot would be the same. Maybe something was edited out of the final cut?