The MoFo Top Neo-noir Countdown - Preliminary Thread

Without looking anything up:

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Cobpyth's Movie Log ~ 2019

@Cobpyth - in addition to the five you didn't answer, one of those was wrong. Otherwise, spot on.

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"Film is a disease. When it infects your bloodstream it takes over as the number one hormone. It bosses the enzymes, directs the pineal gland, plays Iago to your psyche. As with heroin, the antidote to Film is more Film." - Frank Capra

I'll give it a try...



How did I do?

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@Thief - other than the ones you didn't answer, two wrong. Twenty correct.

Now that Holden brought those images, I have some questions that I think would be beneficial for everybody, but I'm gonna let some more people take a crack at it.

I will wait for the answers, but think I only got ten

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Letterboxd

Finally! Thanks for running this, Thief. With you here and CR in the Classic Noir we're in for a great dual/duel Mofo countdown experience!

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"Don't be so gloomy. After all it's not that awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."

And then a movie needs to be tagged on at least two of the three...


Does High and Low count?
I see it on Letterboxd.
Not in the first paragraph on wiki but I do see it at the bottom tagged categories (which I think should count): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_and_Low_(1963_film)
And then not genre tagged on imdb but keyword tagged: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057565/keywords/


I await your verdict.


Alphaville, Blade Runner?

When I think of neo noir Blade Runner is the first film I think of.

It's a classic noir story of a burnt out, jaded detective-cop who's down and out. He's left the police force. His wife has left him and he lives alone, drinking way too much. He's called back into duty to track down some dangerous killers and ends up falling in love with the femme fatale. He then risks his life by illegally sheltering her and finally running away with her to kept her safe. That's a noir story if I ever seen one.

Harry, are you saying it's not tagged noir on the sites listed in the rules? I haven't checked myself. Seems Alphaville would be neo noir too.

Yeah so far ones in question, for me at least are: High and Low, Blade Runner, Alphaville, Taxi Driver, Le Cercle Rouge, The Conversation, Takeshi Kitano films like Sonatine and Hana-bi, The Big Lebowski, Pulp Fiction, Fargo, The Limey, No Country for Old Men, Serie Noire, Bad Lieutenant, Fallen Angels, Sexy Beast, A History of Violence


I guess it's a matter of clarifying a few things. 1) Do keywords on imdb count or only genre? 2) How about those tags at the bottom of the wiki page? I think these should be considered.

The answers for my 32 pics are...

High & Low, Point Blank, In the Heat of the Night, The Naked Kiss, The Driver, The Conformist, Chinatown, The Long Goodbye, Night Moves, Straight Time, Blow Out, Body Heat, Angel Heart, To Live and Die in L.A., Thief, Blade Runner, L.A. Confidential, SE7EN, Romeo is Bleeding, The Hot Spot, Shallow Grave, One Flase Move, The Grifters, Dead Again, Memento, SIN CITY, Zodiac, No Country for Old Men, Blue Ruin, Inherent Vice, Driver, and Nightcrawler

The example picture shows IMDb keyword tags.


"Alternatively, it could be on a "neo-noir" category at the bottom of the page."

Generally I am just following the tagging rules, but I am going to ask for an appeal on Victoria (2015).

Nice find! Never saw this before.

I watched the film last night. It was nicely done, but apart from some of the photography, and it's title being reminiscent of two classic noirs, I don't know what would qualify The Killer as being neo-noir. To me it's just another hit man movie with a happy ending.

Firstly, Wikipedia is bull. Anyone can go in and change it, so the system is already broken. Someone can even erase the tag to keep a film they disagree with from getting in. Secondly, why do we need two out of three? The members here have proven time after time that they'll vote based on what they feel is accurately while also following the rules, so for two instead of one would be a bit strict. You should keep it to just Imdb and Letterboxd and allow for only one out of two to allow the film in.

I appreciate the concerns, but I disagree. First, as someone who has been a frequent editor on Wikipedia for more than 15 years, I can acknowledge that it's not without issues, but there are hundreds and thousands of editors and moderators behind the curtain self-policing changes to articles. So it's not as easy as just "erasing a tag" and nobody will notice.

Besides, although I would say it requires a couple more hurdles, anybody can join and edit IMDb and TMDb (and by consequence, Letterboxd). I know because I am an editor in both.

Third, the need for two out of three comes precisely to address your main concern about Wikipedia, or any of the other sites. The fact that we're requiring two places means that anybody with those intentions that you mention has to "sabotage" two websites, not one.

Finally, the floor is open for any question of eligibility about any film that might not fit those criteria, like Vicky did yesterday. If there's any film you'd like to vote for that doesn't fit, let us know.

High and Low applies from all three counts: it has a "neo-noir" tag on IMDb, it is in a neo-noir category in Wikipedia, and it has a "Film Noir" theme on Letterboxd.

Alphaville applies via Wikipedia (described as such in intro) and IMDb ("neo-noir tag"). It doesn't have a "Film Noir" theme on Letterboxd, but it does have a "neo-noir" keyword on TMDB. Not necessary cause it already qualified, but just saying...

Blade Runner applies via Wikipedia (neo-noir category at the bottom), and IMDb (both "neo-noir" and "tech-noir" tags). Didn't see anything on Letterboxd, but although it's not needed, I'm sure if I go to TMDB, It would have a "neo-noir" keyword like Alphaville.

So all three are good to go.

I've tried those edits on Imdb and Tmdb before, one got me nowhere and I had to fill out a FORM just to get nowhere in the first place, and the other got me verbally abused by a mod because I expressed polite concerns for a mistagged porn movie.

There you go. I already confirmed three of those. When I have more time, I can check the others, but it's like LAMb said.