I don't know anything about Star Wars after the original trilogy. I've never even seen any of the trailers for the newer ones until this one. It looks awesome.
Star Wars: The Force Awakens
It is understandable though that the big 3 from the original trilogy have a part to play ...
Personally, I find it all a bit fanwanky, if you will, but who can deny the iconic status of the Falcon? It amazes me, still, that George Lucas didn't introduce another ship as capable of capturing the imagination in the prequels. Seeing it airborne and speeding away in these clips is such a strong image, such a memorable design, that the cheesiness of the nostalgia behind its presence there is fairly well compensated for.
I just wish that Harrison Ford hadn't been so concerned about his image and Hollywood standing, by necessitating such a large part in this movie. I mean, is it not a bit late to be playing a swashbuckling hero? He is in his seventies and seems very tired in these clips, for just standing around. It might compromise the movie. Luke as a Yoda-like professor of The Force is at least a little more organic to the story. I hope that Leia isn't just hanging around, looking for stuff to do, most of the time.
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I think Leia will feature the least in these new films, unless she has become a skilled Jedi Master. She has only had 30 years to train like.
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Luke is obviously Kylo Ren. Most obvious thing in the world of obviousness. End of debate.
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The whole major premise of the film supposedly is a search for Luke and it is said he has a very minor and small role.,,,supposedly. What MovieMeditation said about the interview with Hamill about him wanting to portray an evil version of Luke is true, but like also that Sexy Celebrity suggested, Luke may be in hiding or some version of that.
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WARNING: "The Force Awakens" spoilers below
The whole major premise of the film supposedly is a search for Luke and it is said he has a very minor and small role.,,,supposedly. What MovieMeditation said about the interview with Hamill about him wanting to portray an evil version of Luke is true, but like also that Sexy Celebrity suggested, Luke may be in hiding or some version of that.
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... Good point(s)!
Personally, I find it all a bit fanwanky, if you will, but who can deny the iconic status of the Falcon? It amazes me, still, that George Lucas didn't introduce another ship as capable of capturing the imagination in the prequels. Seeing it airborne and speeding away in these clips is such a strong image, such a memorable design, that the cheesiness of the nostalgia behind its presence there is fairly well compensated for.
I just wish that Harrison Ford hadn't been so concerned about his image and Hollywood standing, by necessitating such a large part in this movie. I mean, is it not a bit late to be playing a swashbuckling hero? He is in his seventies and seems very tired in these clips, for just standing around. It might compromise the movie. Luke as a Yoda-like professor of The Force is at least a little more organic to the story. I hope that Leia isn't just hanging around, looking for stuff to do, most of the time.
Personally, I find it all a bit fanwanky, if you will, but who can deny the iconic status of the Falcon? It amazes me, still, that George Lucas didn't introduce another ship as capable of capturing the imagination in the prequels. Seeing it airborne and speeding away in these clips is such a strong image, such a memorable design, that the cheesiness of the nostalgia behind its presence there is fairly well compensated for.
I just wish that Harrison Ford hadn't been so concerned about his image and Hollywood standing, by necessitating such a large part in this movie. I mean, is it not a bit late to be playing a swashbuckling hero? He is in his seventies and seems very tired in these clips, for just standing around. It might compromise the movie. Luke as a Yoda-like professor of The Force is at least a little more organic to the story. I hope that Leia isn't just hanging around, looking for stuff to do, most of the time.
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Just to let you know, I haven't read any of your spoilers or anything. I am doing my damnedest to ignore everything like that now for the next two months. After all, it is only 2 months away. I should be able to resist reading it all, right? Anyway, I don't know if any of the spoiler topics were discussed in non-spoiler warning form, but I will just assume that they weren't.
There is nothing wrong with Harrison Ford. First of all, as I said the other day, I would think most men would hope to look as good as he does when they reach that age - if they are lucky enough to reach it. And, really, he is not that old of a man. Second, I think it is pretty pathetic that a man in his 70's looks more like a man than most of the ones roaming around in their 20's and 30's nowadays. And third, because of that fact, I think he looks like he is much more capable of playing a hero that can save the day over most of those other guys in Hollywood.
And I really want to see all 3 of them in this film. Of course I do. I am really curious to see how the story will be told with the old and new characters together. I also think, in a way, they kind of needed to get them on board - at least for the first one - to get the rest of the saga started. I don't think it would've worked as well with a bunch of new characters and none of the old.
I finally got around to showing my mother the trailer yesterday. She said that exact same thing you did. I have been thinking something like this, too, but I don't know. I am trying my best not to speculate too much. My mind has really been going a little crazy, though. I have been creating all sorts of situations from that trailer (and the other 2). So, I will see if I am right about any of it. Truthfully? I am hoping that I am not.
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I just wish that Harrison Ford hadn't been so concerned about his image and Hollywood standing, by necessitating such a large part in this movie. I mean, is it not a bit late to be playing a swashbuckling hero? He is in his seventies and seems very tired in these clips, for just standing around. It might compromise the movie. Luke as a Yoda-like professor of The Force is at least a little more organic to the story. I hope that Leia isn't just hanging around, looking for stuff to do, most of the time.
I just wish that Harrison Ford hadn't been so concerned about his image and Hollywood standing, by necessitating such a large part in this movie. I mean, is it not a bit late to be playing a swashbuckling hero? He is in his seventies and seems very tired in these clips, for just standing around. It might compromise the movie. Luke as a Yoda-like professor of The Force is at least a little more organic to the story. I hope that Leia isn't just hanging around, looking for stuff to do, most of the time.
And I really want to see all 3 of them in this film. Of course I do. I am really curious to see how the story will be told with the old and new characters together. I also think, in a way, they kind of needed to get them on board - at least for the first one - to get the rest of the saga started. I don't think it would've worked as well with a bunch of new characters and none of the old.
Well, apparently it's Adam Driver. We've seen him unmasked, right?
Unless -- CRAZY SPECULATION -- Luke IS Kylo Ren/the masked man -- but he uses Kylo Ren/Adam Driver as a false identity. Understand what I'm saying? Let's say this guy makes appearances unmasked. What if Luke is this new masked villain, and we're being tricked into thinking he's Adam Driver, but that's only because Luke makes everybody think the masked villain is Kylo Ren/Adam Driver, when it's really Luke. That could be a twist. That Adam Driver is simply a stand-in for Luke, to hide his secret identity, to keep people from knowing he's turned to the Dark Side.
I doubt it but it's something that crossed my mind.
Unless -- CRAZY SPECULATION -- Luke IS Kylo Ren/the masked man -- but he uses Kylo Ren/Adam Driver as a false identity. Understand what I'm saying? Let's say this guy makes appearances unmasked. What if Luke is this new masked villain, and we're being tricked into thinking he's Adam Driver, but that's only because Luke makes everybody think the masked villain is Kylo Ren/Adam Driver, when it's really Luke. That could be a twist. That Adam Driver is simply a stand-in for Luke, to hide his secret identity, to keep people from knowing he's turned to the Dark Side.
I doubt it but it's something that crossed my mind.
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Harrison Ford didn't demand he have a big part in the film, JJ Abrams wanted him in it. And really, if you don't get that the essence of Star Wars for a lot of folks IS nostalgia, then I don't know what to tell you. I'm excited to see my childhood heroes in action again, and it looks a billion times more fun than the prequels.
There is nothing wrong with Harrison Ford.
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Does anyone else wish they carried on Star Wars a couple of years after ROTJ in the mid eighties, Focusing on Luke creating a new Jedi Order or perhaps the remnants of the Empire coming together to take on the rebels?
Obviously the story wouldn't have had the gravitas of the originals, no Vader, and no coming of age as such for Luke but all the actors were young enough, could have had another couple of trilogies.
Obviously the story wouldn't have had the gravitas of the originals, no Vader, and no coming of age as such for Luke but all the actors were young enough, could have had another couple of trilogies.
I think Harrison wanted to break the Speilberg and Lucas mold by the Jones and Jedi movies were done. He wanted too be in other types of movies not created by George at some point too proove he would not be typcast
Right. Even before Return of the Jedi was released, Harrison Ford's star power emerged with having already been in Raiders and Blade Runner. He'd been complaining, also, about the public's persistent identification of him as Han Solo, as he insisted that the character was a bit "thin." He'd even asked George Lucas to kill off Solo in Jedi, which George was adamantly against.
There was simply no way to get another trilogy out with him starring. At the very least, he would've been cost-prohibitive. Carrie Fisher, also, has always seemed to be dismissive of her identification with Princess Leia, but could've been coaxed back, probably. But I doubt she'd willingly sporting a bikini in any future Star Wars movies, again. Mark Hamill, of course, was struggling in Hollywood, as evidenced by his résumé. It may have had to do with his facial scarring, who knows? Still, a trilogy about Leia coming into her own with the Force, with Luke as her guide, could've had some potential there. I doubt George would've gone for it, though. He'd established Leia as Han's girlfriend and he wouldn't have wanted to break them up, for publicity and other reasons.
It was evident in Jedi that the cast and maybe even George, himself, were bored with their characters, anyway. Mark Hamill's unrelenting, mystical, almost effeminate acting being the most obvious. Harrison Ford completely phoned-in his performance, as did Carrie Fisher. Princess Leia's role as the strong female was reduced to standing around either in a bathing suit, or surrounded by teddy bears. Even with the entire cast, another Star Wars movie would've made a really poor showing. But the idea, itself, of having more Star Wars movies is appealing, as a fan. I would've like to see the gang's further adventures, under other circumstances.
There was simply no way to get another trilogy out with him starring. At the very least, he would've been cost-prohibitive. Carrie Fisher, also, has always seemed to be dismissive of her identification with Princess Leia, but could've been coaxed back, probably. But I doubt she'd willingly sporting a bikini in any future Star Wars movies, again. Mark Hamill, of course, was struggling in Hollywood, as evidenced by his résumé. It may have had to do with his facial scarring, who knows? Still, a trilogy about Leia coming into her own with the Force, with Luke as her guide, could've had some potential there. I doubt George would've gone for it, though. He'd established Leia as Han's girlfriend and he wouldn't have wanted to break them up, for publicity and other reasons.
It was evident in Jedi that the cast and maybe even George, himself, were bored with their characters, anyway. Mark Hamill's unrelenting, mystical, almost effeminate acting being the most obvious. Harrison Ford completely phoned-in his performance, as did Carrie Fisher. Princess Leia's role as the strong female was reduced to standing around either in a bathing suit, or surrounded by teddy bears. Even with the entire cast, another Star Wars movie would've made a really poor showing. But the idea, itself, of having more Star Wars movies is appealing, as a fan. I would've like to see the gang's further adventures, under other circumstances.
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Right. Even before Return of the Jedi was released, Harrison Ford's star power emerged with having already been in Raiders and Blade Runner. He'd been complaining, also, about the public's persistent identification of him as Han Solo, as he insisted that the character was a bit "thin." He'd even asked George Lucas to kill off Solo in Jedi, which George was adamantly against.
It was evident in Jedi that the cast and maybe even George, himself, were bored with their characters, anyway. Mark Hamill's unrelenting, mystical, almost effeminate acting being the most obvious. Harrison Ford completely phoned-in his performance, as did Carrie Fisher. Princess Leia's role as the strong female was reduced to standing around either in a bathing suit, or surrounded by teddy bears. Even with the entire cast, another Star Wars movie would've made a really poor showing. But the idea, itself, of having more Star Wars movies is appealing, as a fan. I would've like to see the gang's further adventures, under other circumstances.
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I am really thankful for how we have no clue what is going to happen. If you want to cite any spoiler tags or theories, please don't.
Relish this moment as much as possible. After this episode, we will know the characters, the motives, what direction 8 will be going in. I cannot remember being so completely in the dark for such an event of a movie.
I hate that I won't get to see this D1 and subject myself to dodging the inevitable mindfield of spoilers. I'm going to wait to see it with my sister and bil and there could be nothing finer. I plan on talking them into wearing their Tony Allen jedi robes.
Relish this moment as much as possible. After this episode, we will know the characters, the motives, what direction 8 will be going in. I cannot remember being so completely in the dark for such an event of a movie.
I hate that I won't get to see this D1 and subject myself to dodging the inevitable mindfield of spoilers. I'm going to wait to see it with my sister and bil and there could be nothing finer. I plan on talking them into wearing their Tony Allen jedi robes.
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