Another School Shooting in America, is there an answer?

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Where are you getting the 45 school shootings, mass or not? Link?
Everytown for Gun Safety foundation has been quoted in many newspaper articles with this figure.

Newsweek:

And now the shooting at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon. It's the 45th school shooting in the United States in the 274 days so far in 2015, a spokesperson for Everytown for Gun Safety tells Newsweek.
Huffington Post:

According to Everytown for Gun Safety, a group pushing for reforms to reduce gun violence, it was the 45th shooting at a school in 2015.
Time:

The shooting at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Ore., which killed at least 10 and injured seven, is the 45th shooting on school grounds this year and the 17th on a college campus, according to a group that advocates for gun reform.
There are many other examples. All you have to do is check a major news site and they are most likely running that figure.
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These guys are looking to live -- and live to the fullest. So many of these punks turn to violent video games to get pent up aggression out. So many of these guys have all kinds of psychological issues stemming from how they were raised, how they grew up, experiences with their peers, etc. etc. Life isn't really satisfying them with any answers. And now when you look at culture and entertainment ... everything's so sh*tty and chaotic. Religion is in tatters -- we collectively get more and more atheist everyday. Everyone's going gay or transgendered right in front of our faces, giving us messages about how our ideas of gender and sexuality are all wrong. The Internet has caused chaos because we're dealing with a new realm of existence that can be very different from real life, and it cuts off communication and face-to-face interaction, even voice-to-voice interaction. We're turning robotic. The progress going on is really a scary new platform, an evolution into the unknown. The school thing is probably because a lot of people are really fed up with the idea of school, the idea of having to attend these institutions by force for many years, where the bullies roam -- everyone is still all obsessed about bullying in schools.

Something's not right. The idea that things are getting better -- it's not true. I personally don't even think things are really progressing and getting better myself. We have a black president now, yet we're far from racial harmony. And then there's people everywhere trying to mask all of these problems with slogans about how "everyone's just gotta be happy!" "Love is all you need!" "IT GETS BETTER." None of that works. We live in a psychologically toxic, crazy, neurotic system where only the talented survive. People are turning to nihilism and darkness everyday because they don't have the right tools to cope with all that's being thrown at them. Life is simply getting very complex, in all kinds of directions, when the truth is -- it really doesn't need to be. But so many systems, I think, are in place now, that frustrates people and complicates their lives. These killers are people who don't know how to handle the complexity in a rational, sane outlet. And perhaps worst of all -- we may not be listening to what they have to say, what they feel.
You're hitting it right on the head SC. I don't consider "two steps forward, three steps back" progress. Yeah, we have had a black president for almost 8 years, yet racial tensions in this country have been worse than they have been in a long time. I thought all that was suppose to END racism and the like. Heck, most of the time the people that supposedly say they want to end racism are the ones that help keep it alive by constantly pulling the race card whenever something doesn't go their way (and many times it's very obvious that race had nothing to do with whatever the problem is) or trying way too hard to find racism in something when it isn't there. For example, in the Jungle Book how they were trying to say that the song "I wanna be like you" was racist...MOWGLI ISN'T EVEN WHITE YOU IDIOTS!!!

Also I agree with the fact that some people that were use to "the old ways" have trouble dealing with today's world. If they don't completely agree with today's ways, then they are automatically labelled a racist-homophobic-transphobic-misogynistic bigot. When that happens of course they're gonna be miserable and unhappy, and it'll be all downhill for them psychologically.

And yeah.. many other things. How they try to create a "don't say anything that's offensive" movement yet the internet is an uncensored platform where people say the most offensive things known to man. How the media shines the spotlight on these mass shootings yet completely ignore other horrible things that happen. I'm not too far away from Baltimore, and when I turn on the news—murder, rape, robbery—every single day. It's actually gotten even worse since the riots ended.



How they try to create a "don't say anything that's offensive" movement yet the internet is an uncensored platform where people say the most offensive things known to man.
Mmmhmm. The Internet shows off a very savage side to human life. It can be like neanderthal/caveman times here. In a cyber sense, that's where we may be at.

How the media shines the spotlight on these mass shootings yet completely ignore other horrible things that happen.
And of course, if you're a shooter or something, you can become famous. Everyone's trying to be famous now. You can go online and turn yourself into a celebrity if you try hard enough. I did it! Before Twitter, before Facebook, before Instagram, before all of that, there was Sexy Celebrity.



But there are things that are strictly pollitical such as the rules for immigration, the number of migrants from Syria you are willing to accept, etc. And if you are a man of Jesus who says you should help the poor, accept evil and instead of punishing evil to turn the other cheek you shouldn't want to build a massive wall between the United States and Mexico, you shouldn't ask yourself can we integrate a huge amount of immigrants in our country, you should say yeah it'll be hard economically, but we should do good, I really don't understand how can a man of god be for these policies which pretty much every republicans are.
Well, first off, it's not remotely true that "pretty much every" Republican is hostile to immigration. The last Republican President wasn't, and the nominee after that wasn't, and the nominee after that was in-between. The party is fairly divided on immigration and most of the disputes are about how to balance legal precedent with a failed system. And the Trump version of "build a giant wall to keep them all out" is in the clear (but loud) minority.

Second, I think I already gave you a perfectly good reason that encompasses these issues as well: good personal behavior is not synonymous with good law. In fact, in some ways it's mutually exclusive. Charitable behavior, for example, is only positive in a moral sense when it's optional. If you force someone to be charitable, it's no longer charity by definition.

And it's sort of a disingenuous argument anyway, isn't it? Surely you'd have major problems with Christians trying to make the tenets of their faith law in virtually any other area. We don't advocate legislating these ideals for the same reason we don't want to mandate church attendance or ban all sinful behavior.



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I graduated from Roseburg High School in 1983. Attended Umpqua Community College in 1988.



Well, first off, it's not remotely true that "pretty much every" Republican is hostile to immigration. The last Republican President wasn't, and the nominee after that wasn't, and the nominee after that was in-between. The party is fairly divided on immigration and most of the disputes are about how to balance legal precedent with a failed system. And the Trump version of "build a giant wall to keep them all out" is in the clear (but loud) minority.

Second, I think I already gave you a perfectly good reason that encompasses these issues as well: good personal behavior is not synonymous with good law. In fact, in some ways it's mutually exclusive. Charitable behavior, for example, is only positive in a moral sense when it's optional. If you force someone to be charitable, it's no longer charity by definition.

And it's sort of a disingenuous argument anyway, isn't it? Surely you'd have major problems with Christians trying to make the tenets of their faith law in virtually any other area. We don't advocate legislating these ideals for the same reason we don't want to mandate church attendance or ban all sinful behavior.

What I'm saying is more that my impression (that might be wrong) of things like fox news, right wing america is often intolerant toward immegration, pointing out the differences (I'm thinking about Bill O'Reilly who constantly talks about how the blacks aren't integrated, etc.). My point was that there seems to be a large distance between what the christian doctrine, the teachings of Jesus seem to be (based on the new testament) and how the mostly christian pollitical group in your country is diametrically the opposite of that.
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I graduated from Roseburg High School in 1983. Attended Umpqua Community College in 1988.
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Yesterday October 2nd, at Oregon's Umpqua Community College a 26 year old male shooter went into the school and killed 11 people. What was in his twisted mind as he stood there wearing body armor and heavily armed...

"The gunman, while reloading his handgun, ordered the students to stand up if they were Christians, Boylan told her family.
"And they would stand up and he said, 'Good, because you're a Christian, you're going to see God in just about one second,'" Boylan's father, Stacy, told CNN, relaying her account.
"And then he shot and killed them."

Full News Story:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/01/us/ore...lege-shooting/

School shootings have become a common occurrence in America, why?
First off they occur because the deranged shooters know that schools are gun-free - so training staff to be armed is a step in the right-direction.

Second they occur due to the negative affects of industrialization and lack of cultural unity on societies. People today don't exercise, eat well, and over-indulge in pleasures such as video games, internet usage, TV, etc - this lack of healthy social and physical activity leads to repressed rage and mental illness.

And since modern America has less of a common sense of cultural unity, with people becoming overly materialistic, nihilistic and distanced from one another - it leads to tension especially in higher population dense and diverse areas (which is why shootings happen most often in areas like Chicago, versus say Plano, TX despite Chicago's higher gun control laws).

The modern media is also to blame in many ways - for one it publicizes exploitative stories like this just as "outrage porn" for the sake of ratings, leading to people who indulge in the news being more paranoid and misanthropic - and it also gives deranged killers an outlet to "become famous" knowing they'll get in the news for committing their crimes.

Guns themselves are the least of the problem - more people die in auto accidents and from alcohol-related incidents than guns each year, but the extremists on the anti-gun side aren't advocating for reinstating the Prohibition, which would be the logical course of action if "preventing death" was their real agenda (but it isn't - it's just sating their emotional whim rather than actually coming up with a pragmatic solution the the problem).



The answer is simple. Close all the schools. America obviously doesn't need them judging by the way we are dropping down the leader boards in education rates. And I'm not even kidding.
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Guns themselves are the least of the problem - more people die in auto accidents and from alcohol-related incidents than guns each year, but the extremists on the anti-gun side aren't advocating for reinstating the Prohibition, which would be the logical course of action if "preventing death" was their real agenda (but it isn't - it's just sating their emotional whim rather than actually coming up with a pragmatic solution the the problem).
except cars and alcohol serve a purpose beyond shooting things. if you kill someone with one of those things, you are doing something completely contrary to its intended use, but guns are designed with the idea that you will have to shoot someone or something. and besides, society has been working on making those things safer. being drunk while driving is illegal because you have the potential to kill someone, but carrying a gun is legal even though it's even easier to kill someone with it. if you want to buy a car, you have to take drivers' ed, it has to be registered, and if you break a law you have your licensed revoked. even ignoring the cost, it's much harder to buy a car than it is to buy a gun. i also believe that america really needs to work on getting a better mass transit system, which would cut down on a lot of those auto-related deaths.



this jim jeffries bit is pretty great



It's hard to tighten gun laws bc of the second amendment



except cars and alcohol serve a purpose beyond shooting things. if you kill someone with one of those things, you are doing something completely contrary to its intended use, but guns are designed with the idea that you will have to shoot someone or something.
But we're not trying to stop people from shooting "things." We're trying to stop people from shooting innocent people. That's supposed to be the rationale behind gun control, and if it is, then you can't bait-and-switch "innocent people" for "things" in the middle of the argument.

The argument ought to be: will it save lives? Will it protect people? If it would, then you at least have a difficult argument about what kinds of rights we're willing to trade away in the name of safety, and what kinds of costs various freedoms are supposed to have (and I'd really love to hear a gun control advocate at least admit there's some nuance to that question).

But we never even get to that point, because gun control advocates merely assume their proposals would lead to fewer deaths. Why? On what evidence? Look at homicide rates across the country:


(source)

There's nothing here to support the idea that more gun ownership means more murders, and plenty to the contrary. That massive outlier on the right, Washington DC? It has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation. South Dakota, 3rd-lowest homicide rate? 4th-highest gun ownership rate.

The options are not "guns" vs. "no guns." The options are a world where only criminals have guns, or a world where law-abiding citizens can have them, too.



What I'm saying is more that my impression (that might be wrong) of things like fox news, right wing america is often intolerant toward immegration, pointing out the differences
What you actually said is that "pretty much all" Republicans think this way, which simply isn't the case. But it would certainly be fair to say that Republicans are more likely to want to restrict immigration. Though they would tell you (fairly) that what they oppose is illegal immigration. I love immigration and support pretty lenient immigration laws, personally, but the party as a whole is pretty divided on this.

(I'm thinking about Bill O'Reilly who constantly talks about how the blacks aren't integrated, etc.).
I have no idea what this is in reference to, but Bill O'Reilly is not the head of the Republican party.

My point was that there seems to be a large distance between what the christian doctrine, the teachings of Jesus seem to be (based on the new testament) and how the mostly christian pollitical group in your country is diametrically the opposite of that.
And again, my counterpoint is that they're not opposed to it: they're opposed to making it law.

Not all good things should be mandated and not all bad things should be banned.



Something else to consider, re: "why won't they do anything?" Leaving aside the unstated assumption that any problem is something the government should be actively trying to fix, it might be because the problem's getting better, not worse:


Even mass shootings are about the same as they were at almost every point over the last few decades. What we have more of is media coverage.

Does this mean we can't debate gun control? Absolutely not: those deaths matter. But those arguments have to account for the fact that firearm homicides have dropped without the apparently crucial gun control measures they support, which sure seems to lend a lot more weight to the arguments about this being primarily a cultural (and not legal) issue, with corresponding cultural (and not legal) solutions.



Interesting graph. In my crime thriller the character goes to new hampshire to buy his gun because they have such lax gun laws. But they're on the lower end of that chart.

Anyway I have the solution to stop these school shootings!!
All we need on school grounds is to employ some enforcement droids - series 209