1. The "events" referred to are celebrations by Muslims after the 9/11 attacks in various places in NY & NJ. (I kind of thought that was stated many times so far and the question as to whether these took place or not was the entire point of the controversy, no less what was being referred to in all the videos I posted so far.)
The reason there's a question about it is because you've been (conveniently, I feel) conflating the two. It's gone like this:
1. Trump says thousands protested publicly in New Jersey.
2. Media says "nope, no evidence, never happened."
3. Scattered reports of people cheering in tiny groups on roof tops and the like.
4. You say "see! It did happen!"
In other words, you're taking #2 to be contradicted by #3, but it isn't. Which either means you're misunderstanding the debunkings (of course they don't mean "nobody in the entire country was celebrating at all!" That's insane, and you can't prove a negative), or you're deliberately confusing the two just to create an opportunity to pivot to the media/PC criticism, which appears to be the end goal of every argument.
2. In a former post I did cede the point that info referencing the "events" may not have been posted, and I agreed, as you said, not everything is saved on the Internet.
Cool, but I'm asking because, while you agree that it may not have been posted, it's not clear if that means you're dropping the conspiracy angle or not.
As stated several times already, it turned into a controversy when, instead of simply questioning Trump's numbers, the media said none of these events ever happened BECAUSE there was no evidence that any celebrations occurred (despite newscasts, articles and testimonies).
Yeah, it's not just the numbers. It's also it being in public (which it would have to be, with those numbers). Six guys on a roof top that people overhear is not quantitatively different, but qualitatively.
It's a different claim.
The reason I keep hounding you for substantiation on those "newscasts, articles and testimonies" is that all three can be based on rumor. You keep saying you remember things, and that other people remember things. I have no trouble believing that, because I remember them, too. But what I remember are stories that started with "reports of..." In other words, unverified claims. Is this what you remember? Because if it is, then it's not at all suspicious or meaningful that there's no evidence of it. Why would someone preserve evidence of an unverified rumor? There were
tons of rumors that day, and in the days that followed. I recall several reports about how such-and-such plane was headed to another major American landmark. It was chaos, and most of it was false.
I'm sorry I can't post month's worth of radio and tv talk shows debating the controversy
These kinds of exaggerations really undermine your argument, Cap. You're not going to make my request sound unreasonable by pretending I'm asking for more than I am. I've asked you for any sources about this stuff, and twice now you've come back with some obvious straw man exaggeration like "I can't source EVERYTHING" or "I can't post MONTHS worth of..." Nobody asked for that. What you were asked for is basic evidence for your core claim.
The narrative from the media was not that Trump was exaggerating about numbers, but he was making up a falsehood because he was an Islamophobe as was anyone else who claimed to remember these events on any scale.
"Narrative from the media." Again, you're treating your general assessment of the media as a whole as if it were a fact. Your claim about the media's narrative is
your narrative.
Let's put it this way: do you have any arguments that
don't require people to uncritically accept your summary of what "the media" was saying at the time?
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