The MoFo Top 100 Film Noir Countdown

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Yahoo! Scarlet Street is #5 on my ballot...and in my top 10 movie profile..Love it. The characters are so colorful that it's a blast to watch, while having all the details and craftsmanship that you'd expect of a Fritz Lang noir. I previously nominated Scarlet Street for the Noir HoF III. I wrote this about it:

Scarlet Street
(Fritz Lang, 1945)

At the heart of this film is one idea: 'everyone screws someone else over, and pays for it in the end.'

What a great cast:
Edward G. Robinson (Chris Cross), plays a vastly different role than the one that made him an iconic tough guy in Little Caesar (1931). He fits perfectly into his role as the meek, little man, who's brow beaten by his wife and escapes his misery by dreaming of becoming a painter.

I felt bad for him, especially when his wife threatened to throw away his paintings that he loved so dearly. Those paintings play a much bigger part in the film, than might first meet the eye.



Dan Duryea
(Johnny) made a successful career out of playing slimy, tauntingly snotty, bad guys. He became the guy everyone loved to hate and he's so good at. He's great here as a sociopathic hustler and two-bit con man, who likes to slap his girlfriend around.

Joan Bennett (Kitty, 'lazy legs') likes to get slapped around! It's bizarre how her and Johnny go together like a black & blue bruise. I thought Joan Bennett was a stand out in this. She's a knock out for sure but she has a certain careless, self-destructive attitude that just works wonders for the film.



Forced Perspective is used to great effect by the cinematographer. Notice how tiny and weak Edward G. Robinson looks in this scene.

I loved the way Fritz Lang defines the characters by their actions. Lazy Legs, is too lazy to work so she has to engage in questionable actives by using men. We see her laziness in the record that plays over and over and in the way she throws her cigarette into a pile of dishes, and when she gets a stick of gum she careless dumps the wrapper on the floor.

I love the story itself, it's genius: The missing husband detective... and the way each tried to con the other. Johnny's ultimate fate, which I found actually sad, despite all of his negative qualities. The way Chris (Robinson) finally ends up is fitting as it fits the way he lived his life. And the whole commentary on art, hype and value, and how the truth of it was skewed, that was pure cleverness.





List facts!
  • This is Fritz Lang's third entry in the countdown. He had The Woman in the Window at #65, and Ministry of Fear at #75. This is also Raoul Walsh's second entry in the countdown. He had High Sierra at #50.
  • Both White Heat and Scarlet Street have perfect RT scores. This is only the second time that both entries have had perfect RT scores, after Odd Man Out (#47) and The Harder They Fall (#48).
  • Also, at 8.1, White Heat is tied for the highest IMDb rating on the countdown, along with Rebecca and Rififi.
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2 for 2. I think we're well into noteworthier noir territory. But then you still had to have made the right picks. And that brings up several questions. Was our list meant to be more of a contest where you show the depth of your noir knowledge? Or was it meant as more a personal preference? What we thought of as the best noirs we've watched? I went with the latter. I don't think I have the noir expertise to do well in the former even though I thought I did.

Anyway, White Heat isn't on my list even though it's a classic and probably Cagney's best known role. As I mentioned up thread I watched Scarlet Street and Woman in the Window as a two fer since WitW preceded SS by a year with the same director and cast. SS is supposed to be the stronger and more assured film but I preferred WitW by a hair.

42 out of 72 seen. (The noose keeps tightening and no phone call from the governor yet)



I like White Heat but don't view it as noir so I didn't consider it.

Love Scarlet Street

2. Scarlet Street (#29)
3. Rififi (#42)
6. The Strange Love of Martha Ivers (#40)
7. Body and Soul (#94)
13. Detective Story (#57)
15. Force of Evil (#85)
16 Ride the Pink Horse (#45)
19. Nightmare Alley (#33)
20. The Blue Dahlia (#74)
21. The Lady from Shanghai (#31)
23. The Stranger (#38)
24. Drunken Angel (#70)
25. The Letter (#72)



... that brings up several questions. Was our list meant to be more of a contest where you show the depth of your noir knowledge?
Oh no, not at all. I don't even like the word contest in relation to any countdown. It's not about who knows the most or anything like that....Though I hoped more people would become interested in noirs and so awareness of countdown movie/genre is always a goal of any countdown.

Or was it meant as more a personal preference? What we thought of as the best noirs we've watched?
This! That's all any countdown is...plus the idea of 'Community'. We're all coming together and having some fun, that's what countdowns are good for.


For me personally I wanted to do this countdown to produce a solid Film Noir list for MoFo's list section. I think we've made a really solid Top 100 Noir list. Sure there's always a few films on any countdown list that people would change, but overall I'm thrilled with how this Film Noir countdown has turned out!



.... I hoped more people would become interested in noirs and so awareness of countdown movie/genre is always a goal of any countdown.

... We're all coming together and having some fun, that's what countdowns are good for.

For me personally I wanted to do this countdown to produce a solid Film Noir list for MoFo's list section. I think we've made a really solid Top 100 Noir list. ... overall I'm thrilled with how this Film Noir countdown has turned out!
It has turned out really well so far. Something you and Thief and all the other contributors can be proud of. I for one will wait for the final tally and then go back and start mining for worthy noirs to check out. Of which there will be a plethora.



<i>White Heat</i> was #8 on my ballot.

I haven't seen <i>Scarlet Street</i>.
I'm very similar. White Heat is #10 on my ballot and I've never seen Scarlett Street.



It has turned out really well so far. Something you and Thief and all the other contributors can be proud of. I for one will wait for the final tally and then go back and start mining for worthy noirs to check out. Of which there will be a plethora.
Thanks....glad you're liking these countdowns. Without people participating by sending in ballots and posting on the countdowns, we'd have nothing! So I'm glad for the participation.



Thanks....glad you're liking these countdowns. Without people participating by sending in ballots and posting on the countdowns, we'd have nothing! So I'm glad for the participation.
It's been very edifying. But I was mostly referring to folks like John-Connor and Holden Pike who contributed all those fascinating little factoids about the picks.



It's been very edifying. But I was mostly referring to folks like John-Connor and Holden Pike who contributed all those fascinating little factoids about the picks.
Bless 'em both! Thief too for his factoids! I would do more of that but I have to do all this manually. Right now it's taking me about 2 hours a day to find, fix and create the images and make the two reveal post and to keep up on the thread itself. I do have a fun-toid idea for the last segment of the countdown, I just hope I can find the time to do it.



White Heat is indeed awesome and it landed at #11 on my ballot. Here's a short review:

An elaborate, bloody and very exciting heist of treasury bonds from a train kicks off White Heat, a movie I had been wanting to see for a long time, and luckily, it exceeded my expectations. What surprised me the most about it is its energy and speed. Instead of having the careful, measured pace typical of '40s film noir, it resembles what a feature-length episode of 24 would be like, and given the volatility of Cagney's Jarrett character, this is appropriate. He sunk his teeth into the role: his creepy behavior - especially his relationship with his mother - really gets under your skin, and when he's violent, he makes even Joe Pesci in Goodfellas seem tame. The violence in general is very shocking: there are many shootings and each one hasn't a shred of regret or remorse. As for the heist scenes, they are thrilling to watch, not to mention interesting in how they reveal how criminals operated during that era. Still, what is even more interesting is how the law uses technology to chase down Jarrett and his gang. There is heavy and seemingly accurate use of car phones, radar detection and other techniques I had no idea were in use at the time. In sum, I was very entertained, and I would be hard pressed to find a better example of noir and action done right.

I'd also recommend fellow fans to check out the horror comedy Fade to Black.



It's been very edifying. But I was mostly referring to folks like John-Connor and Holden Pike who contributed all those fascinating little factoids about the picks.
I echo this. The wonderful thing from these collaborations is that I don't think anybody has ever asked anybody to do anything, at least formally. These are all just organic collaborations that make the whole countdown richer and better, and I'm forever grateful to everyone that just chips in with any little fact, review, or whatever.



Thanks....glad you're liking these countdowns. Without people participating by sending in ballots and posting on the countdowns, we'd have nothing! So I'm glad for the participation.

Yes! Thank you so much for running this event! It's been a ton of fun, and has introduced me to so many new movies I've never seen.



Yes! Thank you so much for running this event! It's been a ton of fun, and has introduced me to so many new movies I've never seen.
Cool! I hope you find some good noirs that you enjoy...I know I've found a bunch of noirs that I'd never seen in prep for this countdown. I love those hidden gems.



I just finished tomorrow's two reveals. I'm very surprised one of tomorrows movies made the countdown I didn't realize it was that well liked. I love it myself and it was on my ballot so happy it made it this high. The other noir tomorrow is aces.



I squeezed Scarlet Street on at #24, and if I'd seen it more recently, maybe it would have been higher.

My List:
7. Stray Dog (#32)
11. Where the Sidewalk Ends (#66)
15. Elevator to the Gallows (#41)
20. This Gun for Hire (#78)
22. The Wrong Man (#39)
23. The Set-Up (#46)
24. Scarlet Street (#29)
25. Gun Crazy (#36)
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