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A while back you and I had a small thing about the War In Iraq, and we had this exchange:
Originally posted by Danger Diabolik
No Steve, I think YOU, and all the people who refuse to see the truth, should shut up, and you should realize what's going on. People like you are the real source of ignorance....
I'm the ignorant one?
It's obvious you didn't read anything I wrote, because I've spent these last few days arguing in support of an Iraq invasion. The attitude you're taking with me is a lot like the attitude Osama Bin Laden takes with his followers. You're telling me basically that if I disagree with anything you or the President or whomever is saying, then I should get the hell out. That's quite a totalitarian way of looking at things, isn't it?
OK, maybe I was a bit harsh, but so was calling me an American Philistine. You sort of got what you asked for there. I did read what you said, but I was too overclouded by the Anti-American sentiment at the time, and it's something I don't take lightly, from ANYONE.
This will get long, but I don't say something
w\o trying to back it up, so please bear with me here:
No Steve, I am not a totalitarian,
it's just that, I am sick and tired of
people always putting America down,
and hating us for our freedoms.
People bitch about innocent civilians, but forget the people of 9/11 were also innocent people. All of you are so set against this thing, but seem to be at a loss for explaining HOW keeping Saddam and family in power is going to HELP......you seem to forget all the stuff Saddam did and would have continued to do if we kept him in power, as well as the gruesome stories that have arisen as a result of this man.
Can ALL the Iraqi citizens be wrong about Saddam?
Do you think that the American media is making this stuff up? Saddam murdered over a million people,
in cold blood, as opposed to civilian casualties, which are NOT intentional. America does not murder people intentionally,and you know that, or at least you should.
No link between Iraq and terror?
Many of you also forget that while no official link to Saddam and Al Qaeda exists, there IS the link between Arab and Persian for the religion's sake.
The Taliban was a coalition of Chechen, Iranian, as well as some Arabic people, as well as one American traitor, and many countries supported them, and still do. Need I say more?
And this is my point:
Many people with a common enemy (US) will band together to defeat that enemy. And recently we found out that terrorist training camps WERE in fact in Iraq, as well as admissions from POW's that Al-Qaeda DID train there. Need we say more?
Arab, or Persian, Islamic extremists are brothers under the skin. And they can and will support each other. And Saddam had the money to do it too as well as the camps. Terror has no race or religious boundary if more than one group has a common enemy.
As to our allies being concerned for human issues:
We recently found out that France and Germany and Russia had their OWN plans in Iraq, and THAT is why they opposed the war. So much for caring about civilians, huh? France had a friggin' oil field deal in Iraq, and Iraq owes Russia 8 billion. Does that sound like they care about innocent civilians? No it's the money.
SO please stop accusing America of being the only country with 'vested interests' in Iraq. Look at how Russia slaughtered thousands of innocent Afghans in the war of the 80's, and ask yourself if THEY really cared about people....no, only THEIR interests-the spread of Communism as well as the oil that country has.
America supplying Iraq with weapons at one time?
Everyone had dirty hands in Iraq: AK-47's are Russian as well as RPG's and T-55 tanks. Silkworm missiles are Chinese, and the anti-aircraft guns are distinctly Russian as well. As well, look at how many other countries have Russsian arms and armor (hello Central and South America, as well as some parts of Africa.)
You say it's all about money, well then look at France and Russia too. They had their hands in the pickle jar too not just the U.S.
This said, please accept my apology for my end of harshness, and just try to remember that ther's the way it should be and them there's the way it IS.
No amount of complaining will change things, and America's destiny officially began on 9/11. Like it or not this was going to happen anyway, and has, so we all have to make the best of it. Take care.
Danger Diabolik.
Originally posted by Danger Diabolik
No Steve, I think YOU, and all the people who refuse to see the truth, should shut up, and you should realize what's going on. People like you are the real source of ignorance....
I'm the ignorant one?
It's obvious you didn't read anything I wrote, because I've spent these last few days arguing in support of an Iraq invasion. The attitude you're taking with me is a lot like the attitude Osama Bin Laden takes with his followers. You're telling me basically that if I disagree with anything you or the President or whomever is saying, then I should get the hell out. That's quite a totalitarian way of looking at things, isn't it?
OK, maybe I was a bit harsh, but so was calling me an American Philistine. You sort of got what you asked for there. I did read what you said, but I was too overclouded by the Anti-American sentiment at the time, and it's something I don't take lightly, from ANYONE.
This will get long, but I don't say something
w\o trying to back it up, so please bear with me here:
No Steve, I am not a totalitarian,
it's just that, I am sick and tired of
people always putting America down,
and hating us for our freedoms.
People bitch about innocent civilians, but forget the people of 9/11 were also innocent people. All of you are so set against this thing, but seem to be at a loss for explaining HOW keeping Saddam and family in power is going to HELP......you seem to forget all the stuff Saddam did and would have continued to do if we kept him in power, as well as the gruesome stories that have arisen as a result of this man.
Can ALL the Iraqi citizens be wrong about Saddam?
Do you think that the American media is making this stuff up? Saddam murdered over a million people,
in cold blood, as opposed to civilian casualties, which are NOT intentional. America does not murder people intentionally,and you know that, or at least you should.
No link between Iraq and terror?
Many of you also forget that while no official link to Saddam and Al Qaeda exists, there IS the link between Arab and Persian for the religion's sake.
The Taliban was a coalition of Chechen, Iranian, as well as some Arabic people, as well as one American traitor, and many countries supported them, and still do. Need I say more?
And this is my point:
Many people with a common enemy (US) will band together to defeat that enemy. And recently we found out that terrorist training camps WERE in fact in Iraq, as well as admissions from POW's that Al-Qaeda DID train there. Need we say more?
Arab, or Persian, Islamic extremists are brothers under the skin. And they can and will support each other. And Saddam had the money to do it too as well as the camps. Terror has no race or religious boundary if more than one group has a common enemy.
As to our allies being concerned for human issues:
We recently found out that France and Germany and Russia had their OWN plans in Iraq, and THAT is why they opposed the war. So much for caring about civilians, huh? France had a friggin' oil field deal in Iraq, and Iraq owes Russia 8 billion. Does that sound like they care about innocent civilians? No it's the money.
SO please stop accusing America of being the only country with 'vested interests' in Iraq. Look at how Russia slaughtered thousands of innocent Afghans in the war of the 80's, and ask yourself if THEY really cared about people....no, only THEIR interests-the spread of Communism as well as the oil that country has.
America supplying Iraq with weapons at one time?
Everyone had dirty hands in Iraq: AK-47's are Russian as well as RPG's and T-55 tanks. Silkworm missiles are Chinese, and the anti-aircraft guns are distinctly Russian as well. As well, look at how many other countries have Russsian arms and armor (hello Central and South America, as well as some parts of Africa.)
You say it's all about money, well then look at France and Russia too. They had their hands in the pickle jar too not just the U.S.
This said, please accept my apology for my end of harshness, and just try to remember that ther's the way it should be and them there's the way it IS.
No amount of complaining will change things, and America's destiny officially began on 9/11. Like it or not this was going to happen anyway, and has, so we all have to make the best of it. Take care.
Danger Diabolik.
