What the hell is happening to men??????

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Originally Posted by Henry The Kid
I think the directions from which pressure comes will even out for both sexes and women become more and more vital pieces of the workforce, considering most pressure deals with money.

I think, first, we need to research exactly what causes these people to "lose it".
This may be true, but I am a woman and I have worked and studied from the age of 15yrs, I even worked for 10yrs while my X hsb looked for work. I don't think I am alone as a working woman, I am and have always been a vital piece of the workforce. I know what you are trying to say, but I don't think that men's stress is worse because they work.


It would be nice if someone did look at it and came up with some workable solutions to help.


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Neb,
You're an Aussie, right? There's an interesting article in The Age today (online) and it 'brushes' on some of the things you're talking about. Not violence, murder, etc. per se, but on reasonings 'why'.

Here's an exerpt:
“From an early age, men are taught to be disconnected from their internal worlds, from themselves,” says Dawson. “Women are also socialised to expect men to be strong and not to buckle. So often, when men become vulnerable, women shut them down … we all handle it very badly. It’s a common scenario.”

“By the age of 40, most men don’t have intimate male friends. These are just my own observations. But so many of the men I see might have people to play golf with, or to get along with, but they don’t have an intimate connection with another man. We lose the capacity (to form strong male bonds) because we’re taught (by society) to disconnect from ourselves. We keep practising that, so by the time we reach 40, we’re better at it.”

These are from researchers and 'specialists' and I'm not saying that there is a right or wrong way of thinking. Just food for thought.



Thanks. I've never been to that site, until now. Nice article. It's always good to see experts acknowledge that many of the differences between men and woman are social rather than natural.
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Originally Posted by Fox
Neb,
You're an Aussie, right? There's an interesting article in The Age today (online) and it 'brushes' on some of the things you're talking about. Not violence, murder, etc. per se, but on reasonings 'why'.

Here's an exerpt:
“From an early age, men are taught to be disconnected from their internal worlds, from themselves,” says Dawson. “Women are also socialised to expect men to be strong and not to buckle. So often, when men become vulnerable, women shut them down … we all handle it very badly. It’s a common scenario.”

“By the age of 40, most men don’t have intimate male friends. These are just my own observations. But so many of the men I see might have people to play golf with, or to get along with, but they don’t have an intimate connection with another man. We lose the capacity (to form strong male bonds) because we’re taught (by society) to disconnect from ourselves. We keep practising that, so by the time we reach 40, we’re better at it.”

These are from researchers and 'specialists' and I'm not saying that there is a right or wrong way of thinking. Just food for thought.
Thanks for that article.

I find that men who want to talk usually talk to a female friend, for most of the reasons above. one male friend told me that if he needs to talk he comes to me or other female friends as his mates usually don't know what to say, and usually say come and have a drink and things will be Ok.

Also in my practice I meet many women who don't like strong take control men, then they meet a SNAG and don't like them because they see them as weak and whippy. pretty frightening really



Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the issue, but my view is rather simple: while there are both men and women who support families, the burden falls on men more often. Couple this with their very nature, and it should come as no surprise that they're a bit more likely to snap.

Men are, on average, pretty driven. Sometimes for good, sometimes for bad. That's not to say all men or driven, or that women are not. But I do think it explains the simple fact that history's greatest -- and also most horrible -- acts, have been committed predominantly by men. Seems to me, with men, you're playing a higher stakes game. You can win bigger (Eisenhower) or you can lose bigger (Hitler).


Originally Posted by firegod
Thanks. I've never been to that site, until now. Nice article. It's always good to see experts acknowledge that many of the differences between men and woman are social rather than natural.
"Many"? Which do you have in mind? I tend to take a contrary point of view. I think there are undeniable, fundamental differences between the sexes. At worst, I'd say we precondition people only in the sense that we tend to encourage things that their gender is overwhelmingly likely to want to do anyway.