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There is a new big budget movie in works at 20th century fox about the 1966 24 Hours of Le Mans. Its estimated at around 100 million $.Being directed by James Mangold.
It seems to be more of a mission movie than a race movie like rush. It deals with concept of invention and overcoming the insurmountable odds. It seems to be more like the movie "the right stuff". They basically have to design a machine from scratch which has to be faster than the fastest model by Ferrari. There is drama there which i think James Mangold can make without being overly melodramatic.
Given that no one in america cares about car/f1 racing what do you guys think is the potential financially for this movie ? or even awards wise.
I know that these types of movies have very good market in Europe if done right. I am not so sure about US.
If that's the case then what do you think are its chances of being remembered as masterpiece. No one thought wall street could be such a popular theme for a movie before wolf of wall street/the big short.

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'no one in America'? Not even one person?

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My uncle loves it.

I assume there are a few others.

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I'm not American as you know, but I would go to one if I had the headphones used by the dudes on the tarmac, and didn't have to rub shoulders with the riff raff. Giddyup

Is it the battle between Henry Ford and Enzo Ferrari to one up each other? Well Top Gear covered it in great detail, so it won't be too much of a surprise for me. That Hemsworth movie did quite well. So why not this one.

And I love F1. Its the pinnacle of racing. The only racing sport that matters to me along with WRC. Alas rally doesn't get to much coverage in US.

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I love WRC and so does Mr D. I fact he just so happens to own one.

Wow. That is amazing! :)

@Yoda dont you think this comment and your comment can be considered trolling ?

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I think that would be a mighty loose definition of "trolling." You're saying something a bit hyperbolic (a recurring issue, I've noticed) and someone is pointing it out.

...its not to be take literally..no one means very few...come on guys

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...and the response is obviously not saying you literally think that, but is merely pushing back a little on an observed pattern of hyperbole.

Not going to litigate this further.

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Ate you seriouus, aron? I coukd hsve asked you the same questoon but did not. You made a silly generalisstion and i highlighted it. This is the big kid's pool. Floaties are ovrr yonder., 🐳🐬🐟🐠

trollish

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Fishish, actually.

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^THAT was trollish ;)

FORD v FERRARI | Official Trailer [HD] | 20th Century FOX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyYgDtY2AMY

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This movie has “Oscar bait” written all over it.

I went to Texas to see the first F1 race at Circuit of the Americas, which is in a little scrub town called Elroy. I live in NC.


This movie is about cars and machismo, America goes ape$#1+ over those 2 things.

yeah I also love this movie

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Well, the movie did pretty well. Lots of nominations, including Best Picture, made $115 million domestically, which is a bit more than it made internationally.

Saw it last night. Good movie.

I enjoyed the movie but what really stands out far ahead of everything else are the shots of Bale in the car, helmet and goggles framing his oil and debris smudged face with his very particular jaw line and almost emaciated cheek bone lines. I don't mean this to be silly, but that framing is the sum of every racing villain put to film, for me. All except for his childlike smiles and utter enjoyment of the race and driving in it. In my opinion, Bale projected so much with just a few minimal smirks in those shots. In time I could probably forget most of the movie, but that image will always linger. My emotional response was similar to Day-Lewis' subtle expressions in Phantom Thread while in the dinner where he first meets Alma. They were both just moments likely in passing that just happened to make the cut, but I read so much from them I get excited that so little can offer so much.

It was a good movie...Bale was brilliant and the production values were first rate, but I really don't get the Best Picture Nomination.

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I'm going to see it tonight? Hope it's worth all the hype, cause I am expecting Raging Bull with race cars, if that's what I'm going to get?

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Raging Bull? Not at all.

It’s a very good racing movie though. Helps that the true story is so interesting.

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That is not what you are going to get.

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I just saw it. Yeah sure, I didn't Raging Bull with race cars but it was still quite enjoyable as a well done action sports movie.

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If you enjoyed F v F, you'd probably really like the documentary The 24 Hour War (2016), by Nate Adams and Adam Carolla. To me it was more fascinating, more suspenseful, and used real footage and interviews.

~Doc

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I thought on of the main themes of the film was about hubris, and how most men are unable to take their foot off the gas before they crash and burn, while they and those around them become casualties of their hubris.

Yeah. Nice pointing out that we kinda always feel we are right and others are wrong. Paraphrasing of course. And I don't mean the you and I we. Just in general. In case anyone wants to make assumptions with my phrasing. [Post Reply, yn]

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I am usually right tho. Just so we're clear on that point.

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Movies take sides, usually. In real life things are usually a lot muddier and less obvious, and it's easier to come to different conclusions. Having awesome movie scores swell behind your words when you tell someone off or having sinister deep notes playing when you walk into a room tends to put the thumb on the scale.

THUMB!!! lol
nice.

also, I'm concerned by how you know about my walking soundtrack....

:coleman:

A masterpiece made in good, "classic" Hollywood style! Incredible racing sequences, best since The Pinchcliffe Grand Prix, and the best buddy of the year (sorry, Tarantino)! The ending was predictable, but still a gut punch! The film should be a cookie cutter mediocrity, but it has some unexplainable charm that elevates it to the ranks of best of the year! And I don't even like cars, but the film was such an adrenaline pump...

https://i.imgur.com/UbyedmH.png

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Agreed on all counts. Not a car guy, but they do such an excellent job of conveying the thrill of racing. And the story is so inherently good, it's basically a gift to any filmmaker who decides to tell it.

The score is excellent, which helps a lot, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6sWEBIucWk

Yeah true, I guess I have encounted this too. Also, it seems that Josh Lucas is pretty much playing the same character he played Hulk, if anyone else noticed? The guy who wants to go against his boss for himself, and digging his own hole in the process.

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Friends, I just have no words. A film about real men and women, about friendship and love, about true professionalism, about overcoming difficulties on the way to the top. Script, directing, filming, acting at the highest level. Amazing movie! Be sure to watch.

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I was middling on F V F. In general, most sports movies leave me flat since they always seem to veer toward the subject of the plot line being the single most significant thing that has ever happened but, at the same time, have stereotypic plot lines, which seems like an oxymoron. I gave FVF a couple extra points since auto racing is an unusual subject for the usual plot turns of sports movies but still, it was a sports movie.

One of the producers?;)

Heh, heh. You devil...:cool:

For the record (which record, I don't know), I enjoyed the film but preferred the documentary, The 24 Hour War (2016), directed by Nate Adams and Adam Carolla.

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It was a good movie

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love that movie

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Looks good, need to watch it, I am interested quite a bit in automotive history so it will be a good watch.

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It's an interesting chapter, but has always seemed somewhat like the reverse of the usual underdog triumph story of sports movies. In this case, Ferrari had achieved excellence as a small company but pissed off Henry Ford who wanted to use his corporate might to squash the little Italian worm. Aside from the U-S-A!-U-S-A!! sentiment, it seems like a story that leaves a bad taste in one's mouth, and it's not one of those underdog, come-from-behind sort of sports movies.

Not Bale’s natural accent. He’s Welsh & his character, Ken Miles, was from my hometown of Birmingham, England. And, no, he didn’t have a Brummie accent per se.

Bale reminds me of Day Lewis always. Don’t think he is a method actor like Day Lewis, but, like him, Bale puts 100% into a rôle.

Hardly a movie about women, real or otherwise. Caitriona Balfe under-utilized in her rôle of “wife of” and “mother of”.

Indeed. The character was rather irrationally written, screaming for him to stop racing one minute, egging him on the next. Very bizarre.

My take:


Ford v. Ferrari(2019)

It’s difficult to come up with something fresh for an auto racing film. There have been both good ones and poor ones in the past, so the challenge for the production is to captivate and excite the viewer without falling prey to the familiarity of a standard racing film. Ford v. Ferrari almost succeeds.

It’s a true life American success story that portrays the challenge of Henry Ford II to build a Le Mans Prototype race car to overcome Ferrari’s dominance in the Le Mans field, and to become the first U.S. automobile company to do so in that format. There's rarely a surprise conclusion in this type of story, but we'll avoid the spoilers.

There's plenty of excitement in the racing scenes, but most of the competitiveness comes early, and surprisingly between Mr. Ford and Mr. Ferrari rather than from the racing drivers. In fact much of the racing footage could have been from solo time trials. There was little head to head battling. Still the racing filmed from the point of view of the driver was exciting.

The human elements of the story bordered on triteness. Some of the human interaction was obviously exaggerated in a rather hackneyed manner. The writing and portrayal of Ford's racing chairman, Leo Beebe bordered on caricature.

But most of the acting was well done, with Christian Bale being the chief standout. He was able to present nearly a full range, and convincingly so. Matt Damon on the other hand seemed to be playing Matt Damon. Mostly a mail-in part for him.

The writers took some liberties with the actual story, but in the main it was historically close. In my view a better film of the subject was the documentary The 24 Hour War by Nate Adams and Adam Carolla. That film is more exciting and suspenseful, while using real footage and real interviews of the principals.

Ford v. Ferrari is a watchable film with exciting scenes and with good acting by Bale. It's a trifle long, but mostly enjoyable.

Doc's rating: 7/10

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I read an interesting take on the movie that says it portrays Ford as David and Ferrari as Goliath but in reality it was the other way round, so perhaps it would have been a better movie if Ferrari were the good guys and Ford the big bad corporate come to take over.

Right. Her only decent scene & it is a good one is when she was driving the car.

I didn't think of it as having U-S-A!-U-S-A! sentiment, it's just that historically, the winner of the two, just happened to be American, so it was just a mere matter of happenstance, I thought.

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Eh, I'm not sure if "underdog" can be reduced to "total size." The point of the story is that they're the underdog in this area. They make lots of cheap, slow, efficient cars for people to drive to work in, but they're not racers, and are (apparently) looked down on by the people who are, because that's the bleeding edge of car tech and they've made their money on the other end of things.

I don't think the film tries to hide this, either: for crying out loud, we see Bale and Damon operating out of a massive airplane hanger at one point! It makes it clear the whole thing is based on a fit of pique from two wealthy and powerful men. The underdogs are the two guys trying to pull a U-Turn and make this a world-class racing operation even though so much of its structure and emphasis has been dedicated to other things.

Big company jumps into uncharted waters (for them) - pours in resources - hires top help - fairly quickly get their act together - dominates.

The film was ok but I would call this a fundamental flaw with the story, preventing it from being something special.

It might have made for an interesting story watching the amateurs (Ferrari) hold off the corporate powerhouse and ultimately failing.

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I dunno, not only do you have the "new entrant" thing, you also have the fact that Ford is a collective, and at odds with itself: the "heroes" of the film are not Ford, but the two guys, the real car guys within who have to come in and often fight the existing Ford elements to do things the right way.

I also wouldn't underestimate the strong element of classism underlying it all: it's not whether Ferrari has as many resources, it's whether they look down on Ford, because they make cars for (and by) the working man. Sports cars are, by their very nature, a rich person's thing.

Toss in the attitudes Americans and Europeans sometimes have for each other (in aggregate) and how well it mirrors all of this, and I think the framing works pretty well despite Ford being a larger company.

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Yea you're right there, from what I remember it's a bigger fight inhouse than it is against Ferrari, who perhaps didn't get enough screen time actually, now that I think about it. Maybe that's another flaw, and that it should have been called "Ford Racing vs Ford vs Ferrari" :)

Again don't disagree with the 2nd paragraph either but for all Ferrari's elitist attitude it didn't count for much once the Ford juggernaut was needled into action, and as for the economics, Ferrari of that time were somewhat impoverished despite appearances from what I remember and Ford had the blank chequebook.

However I would strongly disagree that the film landed so well, which is of course a matter of opinion, I found it to be quite forgettable and I doubt it will be remembered much at all in a few years. In fact the boardroom scenes with Henry Ford II were probably the most interesting parts, and that's worrying for a racing film.

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Though perhaps the problems I'm having are a result of the name change from "Le Mans 66" to "Ford vs Ferrari" which sounds like some sort of studio name change fearing that people wouldn't know what it's about.

This movie was a technical wonder, but the subject matter just wasn't that interesting to me...here's a link to my review:


https://www.movieforums.com/reviews/...v-ferrari.html